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    <description>We’re fans of the women’s game – the athletes, styles, moves, sneaks, and memes. We approach this podcast as fans and social justice advocates. We will uplift and center those who identify as women, and who are changing the game, on and off the court, the field, the pitch, the pool, and more. We will especially uplift those who identify as women of color, and/or gay, femme, queer, non-binary, and transgender. We uphold workers over corporate greed, inclusivity and accessibility over exclusion, and equality over supremacy.

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      <title>Valkyries at the quarter mark, Trans athletes thriving, HELL NO to patches celebrating the US’s birthday</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We express appreciation for Marisa Ingemi’s humane profile of transgender athlete and advocate AB Hernandez. We celebrate WNBA star Natasha Cloud’s sharing of her painful journey overcoming retaliation for advocating for social justice. We shout a big hell no to celebrating the United States’ 250 birthday, recognizing that democracy has always been intentionally illusive.</p><p><br>3:30 – Dang were we wrong!!  <a href="https://www.professionalsoftballleague.com/schedule">https://www.professionalsoftballleague.com/schedule</a></p><p>5:43 – <a href="https://www.valkyriesbeat.com/">https://www.valkyriesbeat.com/</a></p><p>6:00 – <a href="https://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/story/2026-06-01/how-transgender-athlete-ab-hernandez-beat-vitriol-stoked-by-trump">https://www.latimes.com/sports/highschool/story/2026-06-01/how-transgender-athlete-ab-hernandez-beat-vitriol-stoked-by-trump</a> </p><p>35:53 – <a href="https://valkyries.wnba.com/news/valkyries-sign-nadia-fingall-20260607">https://valkyries.wnba.com/news/valkyries-sign-nadia-fingall-20260607</a></p><p>38:20 – <a href="https://www.sportico.com/leagues/basketball/2026/wnba-america-250-patch-fanatics-donald-trump-1234902332/">https://www.sportico.com/leagues/basketball/2026/wnba-america-250-patch-fanatics-donald-trump-1234902332/</a></p><p>39:16 – <a href="https://x.com/_breezy_briii/status/2062663499642442120?s=46">https://x.com/_breezy_briii/status/2062663499642442120?s=46</a></p><p>49:32 – <a href="https://megaphone.link/VMP2793392468">https://megaphone.link/VMP2793392468</a></p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 10 Jun 2026 07:48:46 -0700</pubDate>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
      <podcast:person role="Host" href="https://filiberto.com" img="https://img.transistorcdn.com/FCF0_Aque0jZ0bI2RhDHJHwXemS6KrJvPRU77GYBVj0/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:800/h:800/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS81MGRk/ZjNiZjI4MGY3ZDYw/ZGJkYTlmNmE0MDdm/OTMxMS5qcGc.jpg">Filiberto Nolasco Gomez</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person role="Host" href="https://wegotnextpod.org/people/michelle-hatfield" img="https://img.transistorcdn.com/t2ilq5RbG6OE2DvKP12TvdT1xb-2TzAZCuAp9QXNrxg/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:800/h:800/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9iYTEz/NDhkNzk0NzMwODc4/NmRhZWUwZTQwNjY5/Zjc5ZC5qcGc.jpg">Michelle Hatfield</podcast:person>
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      <title>Valkyries heal their Fever, then fold against the Aces; Fili and Michelle touch on learnings from Jane Austen and Optimus Prime</title>
      <itunes:episode>6</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>6</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Valkyries heal their Fever, then fold against the Aces; Fili and Michelle touch on learnings from Jane Austen and Optimus Prime</itunes:title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Valkyries have a strong win against the Fever, fall short to the Champs; Fili and Michelle discuss formative books, good advice from the Transformers, making salsa from scratch with the next generation, and feeling our power!</p><p>0:42 -- <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DY43gLhNX0v/">https://www.instagram.com/p/DY43gLhNX0v/</a> <br>23:00 -- <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DZEJlUHBLwl/">https://www.instagram.com/p/DZEJlUHBLwl/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Valkyries have a strong win against the Fever, fall short to the Champs; Fili and Michelle discuss formative books, good advice from the Transformers, making salsa from scratch with the next generation, and feeling our power!</p><p>0:42 -- <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DY43gLhNX0v/">https://www.instagram.com/p/DY43gLhNX0v/</a> <br>23:00 -- <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DZEJlUHBLwl/">https://www.instagram.com/p/DZEJlUHBLwl/</a></p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2026 19:42:42 -0700</pubDate>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Just say no to AI, Portland Fire goes white, Valkyries continue second season growth, ‘Yeah, boy’ to Flavor Flav</title>
      <itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>5</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Just say no to AI, Portland Fire goes white, Valkyries continue second season growth, ‘Yeah, boy’ to Flavor Flav</itunes:title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Ew to the “girlbossification” of AI, Portland Fire waive Black players for some whities, Golden State Valkyries’ first-ever draft pick Juste Jocyte makes her highly anticipated debut, the good and the bad of the PWHL contract and owner, and props to upcoming She Got Game weekend.</p><p>10:35 Out of Your League Piece <a href="https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/p/wnba-fans-hate-ai-but-the-league-is-embracing-it-anyway">on AI </a><br>45:21 Justė Jocytė <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DYycnAhFmDo/?img_index=2">First Bucket! </a><br>           <a href="https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/meet-juste-jocyte-15-year-old-phenom-and-professional-record-breaker/?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email">Nice Profile</a> too. <br>51:33 <a href="https://global-uploads.webflow.com/64d22f9c3617ad42d10d32f1/64ed721629f3b2cfe84c7a54_PWHL-CBA-thpwhlcom.pdf">Collective Bargaining Agreement</a> (CBA) between the Professional Women’s Hockey League and the Professional Women’s Hockey League Players Association<br>57:44 PWHL <a href="https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/65038094882d837d666bf1bb/69efbccd65fdec269086fc2c_PlayerSalaries_2025-2026.pdf">Salaries</a><br>1:00:33 Yes Flava Flav started <a href="https://www.npr.org/2024/08/04/nx-s1-5061526/rapper-flavor-flav-on-why-he-decided-to-sponsor-the-u-s-womens-water-polo-team">with Water Polo </a><br>1:02:39 Flava Flav goes to the <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reels/DYmWcVnkau5/">Clark County Commission Meeting</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Ew to the “girlbossification” of AI, Portland Fire waive Black players for some whities, Golden State Valkyries’ first-ever draft pick Juste Jocyte makes her highly anticipated debut, the good and the bad of the PWHL contract and owner, and props to upcoming She Got Game weekend.</p><p>10:35 Out of Your League Piece <a href="https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/p/wnba-fans-hate-ai-but-the-league-is-embracing-it-anyway">on AI </a><br>45:21 Justė Jocytė <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DYycnAhFmDo/?img_index=2">First Bucket! </a><br>           <a href="https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/meet-juste-jocyte-15-year-old-phenom-and-professional-record-breaker/?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email">Nice Profile</a> too. <br>51:33 <a href="https://global-uploads.webflow.com/64d22f9c3617ad42d10d32f1/64ed721629f3b2cfe84c7a54_PWHL-CBA-thpwhlcom.pdf">Collective Bargaining Agreement</a> (CBA) between the Professional Women’s Hockey League and the Professional Women’s Hockey League Players Association<br>57:44 PWHL <a href="https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/65038094882d837d666bf1bb/69efbccd65fdec269086fc2c_PlayerSalaries_2025-2026.pdf">Salaries</a><br>1:00:33 Yes Flava Flav started <a href="https://www.npr.org/2024/08/04/nx-s1-5061526/rapper-flavor-flav-on-why-he-decided-to-sponsor-the-u-s-womens-water-polo-team">with Water Polo </a><br>1:02:39 Flava Flav goes to the <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reels/DYmWcVnkau5/">Clark County Commission Meeting</a></p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 29 May 2026 08:56:21 -0700</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Ew to the “girlbossification” of AI, Portland Fire waive Black players for some whities, Golden State Valkyries’ first-ever draft pick Juste Jocyte makes her highly anticipated debut, the good and the bad of the PWHL contract and owner, and props to upcoming She Got Game weekend.</p><p>10:35 Out of Your League Piece <a href="https://www.thefrankiedlc.news/p/wnba-fans-hate-ai-but-the-league-is-embracing-it-anyway">on AI </a><br>45:21 Justė Jocytė <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DYycnAhFmDo/?img_index=2">First Bucket! </a><br>           <a href="https://www.basketballnews.com/stories/meet-juste-jocyte-15-year-old-phenom-and-professional-record-breaker/?utm_source=substack&amp;utm_medium=email">Nice Profile</a> too. <br>51:33 <a href="https://global-uploads.webflow.com/64d22f9c3617ad42d10d32f1/64ed721629f3b2cfe84c7a54_PWHL-CBA-thpwhlcom.pdf">Collective Bargaining Agreement</a> (CBA) between the Professional Women’s Hockey League and the Professional Women’s Hockey League Players Association<br>57:44 PWHL <a href="https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/65038094882d837d666bf1bb/69efbccd65fdec269086fc2c_PlayerSalaries_2025-2026.pdf">Salaries</a><br>1:00:33 Yes Flava Flav started <a href="https://www.npr.org/2024/08/04/nx-s1-5061526/rapper-flavor-flav-on-why-he-decided-to-sponsor-the-u-s-womens-water-polo-team">with Water Polo </a><br>1:02:39 Flava Flav goes to the <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reels/DYmWcVnkau5/">Clark County Commission Meeting</a></p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>women's sports, women's basketball, WNBA, NWSL, NCAA women's basketball, PWHL</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
      <podcast:person role="Host" href="https://filiberto.com" img="https://img.transistorcdn.com/FCF0_Aque0jZ0bI2RhDHJHwXemS6KrJvPRU77GYBVj0/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:800/h:800/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS81MGRk/ZjNiZjI4MGY3ZDYw/ZGJkYTlmNmE0MDdm/OTMxMS5qcGc.jpg">Filiberto Nolasco Gomez</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person role="Host" href="https://wegotnextpod.org/people/michelle-hatfield" img="https://img.transistorcdn.com/t2ilq5RbG6OE2DvKP12TvdT1xb-2TzAZCuAp9QXNrxg/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:800/h:800/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9iYTEz/NDhkNzk0NzMwODc4/NmRhZWUwZTQwNjY5/Zjc5ZC5qcGc.jpg">Michelle Hatfield</podcast:person>
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      <title>Valkyries look playoff bound again, A plea to fix WNBA League Pass, The anti-Blackness behind efforts to tame defensive play </title>
      <itunes:episode>4</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>4</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Valkyries look playoff bound again, A plea to fix WNBA League Pass, The anti-Blackness behind efforts to tame defensive play </itunes:title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about the importance of air conditioning, Fili learns that motorcycle drag racing is in fact a thing, and the Golden State Valkyries start the season strong with a three-dimensional offense (YAY!!). Also, are the WNBA rules changes on “physical” play trying to reduce player injuries or is it a racist dog whistle of more sinister motives?</p><p>3:08 Dystany Spurlock and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsioG7bJ-Nw">Motorcycle Drag Racing </a></p><p>9:30 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QFDZsfVrOY">PWHL Finals Game 1 </a>– Montreal vs Ottawa </p><p>11:19 USWNT Head Coach <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYO54-ngV1f/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&amp;igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==">Emma Hayes</a> on reporters needing to stop covering women’s sports from male gaze <br> <br>12:39 Link between <a href="https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/44917657/fifa-funds-study-link-acl-tears-menstrual-cycle">ACL Tears and hormonal fluctuations</a> during menstrual cycles </p><p>25:18 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_E.%20https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LYv5mupFaq0">Sheila E! </a></p><p>32:14 Johannes <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reels/DYQ888VJbej/">Sideways Fade 3 </a></p><p>46:39 Dawn Staly Droppin' Knowledge. <a href="https://www.revolt.tv/article/2023-04-02/291723/dawn-staley-slams-critics-hurtful-narratives-about-south-carolinas-womens-basketball-team-were-not-thugs">Article</a>. <a href="https://x.com/sportingnews/status/1642032917785223168%20">Video.</a> </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about the importance of air conditioning, Fili learns that motorcycle drag racing is in fact a thing, and the Golden State Valkyries start the season strong with a three-dimensional offense (YAY!!). Also, are the WNBA rules changes on “physical” play trying to reduce player injuries or is it a racist dog whistle of more sinister motives?</p><p>3:08 Dystany Spurlock and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsioG7bJ-Nw">Motorcycle Drag Racing </a></p><p>9:30 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QFDZsfVrOY">PWHL Finals Game 1 </a>– Montreal vs Ottawa </p><p>11:19 USWNT Head Coach <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYO54-ngV1f/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&amp;igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==">Emma Hayes</a> on reporters needing to stop covering women’s sports from male gaze <br> <br>12:39 Link between <a href="https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/44917657/fifa-funds-study-link-acl-tears-menstrual-cycle">ACL Tears and hormonal fluctuations</a> during menstrual cycles </p><p>25:18 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_E.%20https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LYv5mupFaq0">Sheila E! </a></p><p>32:14 Johannes <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reels/DYQ888VJbej/">Sideways Fade 3 </a></p><p>46:39 Dawn Staly Droppin' Knowledge. <a href="https://www.revolt.tv/article/2023-04-02/291723/dawn-staley-slams-critics-hurtful-narratives-about-south-carolinas-womens-basketball-team-were-not-thugs">Article</a>. <a href="https://x.com/sportingnews/status/1642032917785223168%20">Video.</a> </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2026 19:44:03 -0700</pubDate>
      <author>Michelle Hatfield, Filiberto Nolasco Gomez</author>
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      <itunes:author>Michelle Hatfield, Filiberto Nolasco Gomez</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3096</itunes:duration>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about the importance of air conditioning, Fili learns that motorcycle drag racing is in fact a thing, and the Golden State Valkyries start the season strong with a three-dimensional offense (YAY!!). Also, are the WNBA rules changes on “physical” play trying to reduce player injuries or is it a racist dog whistle of more sinister motives?</p><p>3:08 Dystany Spurlock and <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsioG7bJ-Nw">Motorcycle Drag Racing </a></p><p>9:30 <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-QFDZsfVrOY">PWHL Finals Game 1 </a>– Montreal vs Ottawa </p><p>11:19 USWNT Head Coach <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reel/DYO54-ngV1f/?utm_source=ig_web_copy_link&amp;igsh=MzRlODBiNWFlZA==">Emma Hayes</a> on reporters needing to stop covering women’s sports from male gaze <br> <br>12:39 Link between <a href="https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/44917657/fifa-funds-study-link-acl-tears-menstrual-cycle">ACL Tears and hormonal fluctuations</a> during menstrual cycles </p><p>25:18 <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheila_E.%20https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LYv5mupFaq0">Sheila E! </a></p><p>32:14 Johannes <a href="https://www.instagram.com/reels/DYQ888VJbej/">Sideways Fade 3 </a></p><p>46:39 Dawn Staly Droppin' Knowledge. <a href="https://www.revolt.tv/article/2023-04-02/291723/dawn-staley-slams-critics-hurtful-narratives-about-south-carolinas-womens-basketball-team-were-not-thugs">Article</a>. <a href="https://x.com/sportingnews/status/1642032917785223168%20">Video.</a> </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>women's sports, women's basketball, WNBA, NWSL, NCAA women's basketball, PWHL</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
      <podcast:person role="Host" href="https://filiberto.com" img="https://img.transistorcdn.com/FCF0_Aque0jZ0bI2RhDHJHwXemS6KrJvPRU77GYBVj0/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:800/h:800/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS81MGRk/ZjNiZjI4MGY3ZDYw/ZGJkYTlmNmE0MDdm/OTMxMS5qcGc.jpg">Filiberto Nolasco Gomez</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person role="Host" href="https://wegotnextpod.org/people/michelle-hatfield" img="https://img.transistorcdn.com/t2ilq5RbG6OE2DvKP12TvdT1xb-2TzAZCuAp9QXNrxg/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:800/h:800/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9iYTEz/NDhkNzk0NzMwODc4/NmRhZWUwZTQwNjY5/Zjc5ZC5qcGc.jpg">Michelle Hatfield</podcast:person>
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      <title>WNBA season kicks off, WNBA team valuations show players’ investments, Natasha Cloud finds a team!</title>
      <itunes:episode>3</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>3</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>WNBA season kicks off, WNBA team valuations show players’ investments, Natasha Cloud finds a team!</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about what we’re most excited about for the WNBA season, and why WNBA owners need to stop crying poor. Michelle pans the sports journalists’ coverage of Natasha Cloud’s free agency. As greeting card, floral, and jewelry companies force a normative Mother’s Day on us all, Filiberto reminds us that people have a variety of relationships with their parents, and chosen families should be as celebrated as birth families.</p><p>6:52 Valuations <a href="https://www.sportico.com/feature/wnba-team-values-rankings-list-1234784563/">Sportico</a> – GSV $850 m, <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/04/cnbcs-official-wnba-team-valuations-2026-how-the-15-franchises-stack-up.html">CNBC </a>– GSV – $1 b. <a href="https://imgur.com/a/xjC312B">Infographic</a></p><p>10:30 <a href="https://imgur.com/a/xjC312B">Value to Revenue</a></p><p>12:50 <a href="https://wegotnextpod.org/episodes/costco-snobbery-hot-wnba-rookie-debuts-and-athletes-seize-the-means-of-production/transcript#t=49m3s">Rant on Billionaires! </a></p><p>16:02 USA Rugby Players <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/30/womens-rugby-trans-ban?_bhlid=92a4a90effd83368134efe9077bc8847c5565198">Combat Trans Exclusion</a> </p><p>16:30 Minnesota lifter <a href="https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/04/30/transgender-athlete-reaches-settlement-with-usa-powerlifting">JayCee</a> wins lawsuit against USA weightlifting over trans exclusion </p><p>20:50 USA today commentary by <a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2026/04/10/ioc-sex-testing-athletes-2028-olympics/89488310007/">Brianna Turner</a>  </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about what we’re most excited about for the WNBA season, and why WNBA owners need to stop crying poor. Michelle pans the sports journalists’ coverage of Natasha Cloud’s free agency. As greeting card, floral, and jewelry companies force a normative Mother’s Day on us all, Filiberto reminds us that people have a variety of relationships with their parents, and chosen families should be as celebrated as birth families.</p><p>6:52 Valuations <a href="https://www.sportico.com/feature/wnba-team-values-rankings-list-1234784563/">Sportico</a> – GSV $850 m, <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/04/cnbcs-official-wnba-team-valuations-2026-how-the-15-franchises-stack-up.html">CNBC </a>– GSV – $1 b. <a href="https://imgur.com/a/xjC312B">Infographic</a></p><p>10:30 <a href="https://imgur.com/a/xjC312B">Value to Revenue</a></p><p>12:50 <a href="https://wegotnextpod.org/episodes/costco-snobbery-hot-wnba-rookie-debuts-and-athletes-seize-the-means-of-production/transcript#t=49m3s">Rant on Billionaires! </a></p><p>16:02 USA Rugby Players <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/30/womens-rugby-trans-ban?_bhlid=92a4a90effd83368134efe9077bc8847c5565198">Combat Trans Exclusion</a> </p><p>16:30 Minnesota lifter <a href="https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/04/30/transgender-athlete-reaches-settlement-with-usa-powerlifting">JayCee</a> wins lawsuit against USA weightlifting over trans exclusion </p><p>20:50 USA today commentary by <a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2026/04/10/ioc-sex-testing-athletes-2028-olympics/89488310007/">Brianna Turner</a>  </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2026 16:29:09 -0700</pubDate>
      <author>Michelle Hatfield, Filiberto Nolasco Gomez</author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about what we’re most excited about for the WNBA season, and why WNBA owners need to stop crying poor. Michelle pans the sports journalists’ coverage of Natasha Cloud’s free agency. As greeting card, floral, and jewelry companies force a normative Mother’s Day on us all, Filiberto reminds us that people have a variety of relationships with their parents, and chosen families should be as celebrated as birth families.</p><p>6:52 Valuations <a href="https://www.sportico.com/feature/wnba-team-values-rankings-list-1234784563/">Sportico</a> – GSV $850 m, <a href="https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/04/cnbcs-official-wnba-team-valuations-2026-how-the-15-franchises-stack-up.html">CNBC </a>– GSV – $1 b. <a href="https://imgur.com/a/xjC312B">Infographic</a></p><p>10:30 <a href="https://imgur.com/a/xjC312B">Value to Revenue</a></p><p>12:50 <a href="https://wegotnextpod.org/episodes/costco-snobbery-hot-wnba-rookie-debuts-and-athletes-seize-the-means-of-production/transcript#t=49m3s">Rant on Billionaires! </a></p><p>16:02 USA Rugby Players <a href="https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2026/apr/30/womens-rugby-trans-ban?_bhlid=92a4a90effd83368134efe9077bc8847c5565198">Combat Trans Exclusion</a> </p><p>16:30 Minnesota lifter <a href="https://www.mprnews.org/story/2026/04/30/transgender-athlete-reaches-settlement-with-usa-powerlifting">JayCee</a> wins lawsuit against USA weightlifting over trans exclusion </p><p>20:50 USA today commentary by <a href="https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/voices/2026/04/10/ioc-sex-testing-athletes-2028-olympics/89488310007/">Brianna Turner</a>  </p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>women's sports, women's basketball, WNBA, NWSL, NCAA women's basketball, PWHL</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
      <podcast:person role="Host" href="https://filiberto.com" img="https://img.transistorcdn.com/FCF0_Aque0jZ0bI2RhDHJHwXemS6KrJvPRU77GYBVj0/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:800/h:800/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS81MGRk/ZjNiZjI4MGY3ZDYw/ZGJkYTlmNmE0MDdm/OTMxMS5qcGc.jpg">Filiberto Nolasco Gomez</podcast:person>
      <podcast:person role="Host" href="https://wegotnextpod.org/people/michelle-hatfield" img="https://img.transistorcdn.com/t2ilq5RbG6OE2DvKP12TvdT1xb-2TzAZCuAp9QXNrxg/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:800/h:800/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9iYTEz/NDhkNzk0NzMwODc4/NmRhZWUwZTQwNjY5/Zjc5ZC5qcGc.jpg">Michelle Hatfield</podcast:person>
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      <title>Costco snobbery, Hot WNBA rookie debuts, and Athletes seize the means of production</title>
      <itunes:episode>2</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>2</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Costco snobbery, Hot WNBA rookie debuts, and Athletes seize the means of production</itunes:title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Michelle and Filiberto highlight the badassery of WNBA players starting Unrivaled to gain leverage in bargaining, embrace various women’s sports teams building off each others’ wins in their collective struggle for equity and liberation, and denounce the cruelty of billionaires and misogyny. Oh, and celebrate the low-key fanciness that is Kirkland Prosecco.</p><p><br>37:27 A good overview of the <a href="https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/wnba-first-ever-development-players-115014186.html">Developmental Player</a> contracts. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Michelle and Filiberto highlight the badassery of WNBA players starting Unrivaled to gain leverage in bargaining, embrace various women’s sports teams building off each others’ wins in their collective struggle for equity and liberation, and denounce the cruelty of billionaires and misogyny. Oh, and celebrate the low-key fanciness that is Kirkland Prosecco.</p><p><br>37:27 A good overview of the <a href="https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/wnba-first-ever-development-players-115014186.html">Developmental Player</a> contracts. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 06 May 2026 08:16:58 -0700</pubDate>
      <author>Michelle Hatfield, Filiberto Nolasco Gomez</author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Michelle and Filiberto highlight the badassery of WNBA players starting Unrivaled to gain leverage in bargaining, embrace various women’s sports teams building off each others’ wins in their collective struggle for equity and liberation, and denounce the cruelty of billionaires and misogyny. Oh, and celebrate the low-key fanciness that is Kirkland Prosecco.</p><p><br>37:27 A good overview of the <a href="https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/wnba-first-ever-development-players-115014186.html">Developmental Player</a> contracts. </p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>women's sports, women's basketball, WNBA, NWSL, NCAA women's basketball, PWHL</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
      <podcast:person role="Host" href="https://filiberto.com" img="https://img.transistorcdn.com/FCF0_Aque0jZ0bI2RhDHJHwXemS6KrJvPRU77GYBVj0/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:800/h:800/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS81MGRk/ZjNiZjI4MGY3ZDYw/ZGJkYTlmNmE0MDdm/OTMxMS5qcGc.jpg">Filiberto Nolasco Gomez</podcast:person>
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      <itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>To Podcast or Not to Podcast: Our Marvel Comics Comps, Go-To Players for Tea, and Why We Love to Love Women’s Sports </itunes:title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Does the world really need another sports podcast?  YES!  We can’t compete with the podcasts by seasoned sports journalists or amazing athletes. But, we will uplift and center athletes who identify as women of color, and/or gay, femme, queer, non-binary, and transgender.</p><p><br></p><p>This week, we're laying out our origin stories better we head into a new Valkyries Season</p><p><br>Keep listening to our podcast where we will share the fan experience through our labor and social justice perspective. Enjoy the conversation and build community with us!</p><p>Show notes:</p><p>12:00 – WNBA marketing of <a href="https://www.tunnel-wars.com/p/before-the-wnba-tunnel-there-was">players in 1997</a></p><p><br></p><p>15:52 - Filiberto's documtentary. <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgkRKlv5G2w">The Massacre at Nueva Linda</a></p><p><br></p><p>23:00 – Photos of <a href="https://www.instagram.com/p/DXpe1UkEiXG/?img_index=1">Michelle playing bball</a> in 8th grade</p><p><br></p><p>32:00 – Video of Cecilia Zandalasini shooting a <a href="https://www.espn.com/wnba/recap?gameId=401820319">last second shot</a> for the Valkyries during the WNBA playoffs</p><p><br></p><p>40:00 – Michelle’s <a href="https://www.modbee.com/sports/college/article3099236.html">Paying for College </a>series  </p><p>Filiberto's previous podcast was called El Huateque. He mentioned interviewing <a href="https://share.transistor.fm/s/b2fec1c6">Annette Torres </a>and <a href="https://share.transistor.fm/s/aac7efe2">Joseph Rios</a></p><p><br></p>]]>
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      <author>Michelle Hatfield, Filiberto Nolasco Gomez</author>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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