Trust and Trade

#64 Music & AI

American Bar Association — Mon, 28 Sep 2026 00:00:00 -0400

Is AI-generated music really so different from music created by humans? Kellogg Hansen's Josh Branson and George Mason Law School Professor Olufunmilayo Arewa join host Anant Raut to discuss the copyrightability of AI-generated music and the growing wave of copyright cases brought by artists, publishers, and record companies against generative AI companies.

The conversation then takes a more philosophical turn: how have humans created music throughout history? If human music is inspired by what came before, is AI training on the same material and generating its own all that different? And what, if anything, is lost when the machine takes our place in creation?

With special guests:
Joshua D. Branson, Partner, Kellogg, Hansen, Todd, Figel & Frederick, PLLC and Olufunmilayo B. Arewa, Professor, Antonin Scalia Law School

Hosted by:
Anant Raut

#63 The NIL Arms Race

American Bar Association — Mon, 14 Sep 2026 00:00:00 -0400

Antitrust birthed the arms race of name, image, and likeness money pouring into Division 1 athletics. Now college football has spiraled into a widening gap between haves and have nots, where NIL offers (supposedly distinct from pay-for-play) are driving athletes who have played professionally to try to return to college to play sports for a fifth year. Professor Michael McCann, professor at Harvard Law School and columnist for Sportico and Sports Illustrated, joins host Anant Raut and guest co-host Courtney Armour to discuss the flow of money into college athletics and what it means for amateurism in college sports.

With special guest:
Michael McCann, Professor, Franklin Pierce School of Law

Hosted by:
Anant Raut and Courtney Armour

#62 Greenwashing

American Bar Association — Mon, 20 Jul 2026 00:00:00 -0400

In this 100% carbon-neutral episode of Trust and Trade, we talk about greenwashing, the practice of making claims about a product that make it sound more environmentally friendly than it actually is. Taken too far, such claims are illegal and can result in serious penalties for companies that cross that line. In this sustainably sourced episode, host Anant Raut talks to Nestle Health Science US's Greg Fortsch, consumer protection expert Christie Thompson, Kaelah Smith from the Office of the Connecticut Attorney General, and Lemuel Srolovic from the Office of the New York State Attorney General about recent cases brought by their offices and legal standards for environmental claims. Listen now to our most eco-conscious episode ever!

With special guests:

Greg Fortsch, Assistant General Counsel for Regulatory Affairs, Nestle Health Science U.S.
Christie Thompson, Partner, Kelley Drye & Warren LLP
Kaelah Smith, Assistant Attorney General, Environment Section, Connecticut Office of the Attorney General
Lemuel Srolovic, Chief, Environmental Protection Bureau, Office of the New York State Attorney General

Hosted by:
Anant Raut

#61 Ozzy Osbourne v AEG

American Bar Association — Tue, 30 Jun 2026 00:00:00 -0400

In this heavy metal episode of Trust and Trade, we dive into the landmark case of Ozzy Osbourne vs. AEG, exploring how the Prince of Darkness challenged monopolistic practices in concert ticketing. Gwendolyn Lindsay Cooley and Travis Wheeler join host Anant Raut to talk about the evolution in analyzing unlawful tying claims since this historic case, and whether nimbler approaches are possible. All aboard!

With special guests:
Gwendolyn Lindsay Cooley, Founder, Taimet and Travis Wheeler, Adjunct Professor, University of South Carolina School of Law

Hosted by:
Anant Raut

#60 Impact of U.S. Trade Policy on Investment in Canada

American Bar Association — Mon, 15 Jun 2026 00:00:00 -0400

When President Trump imposed 25% tariffs on Canada, one of its biggest trading partners, it kicked off a series of back-and-forth tariffs between the two countries. As a result of the ensuing uncertainty, Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney has emphasized the importance of reducing Canada’s reliance on the United States as a trading partner, announcing a new trade deal with China during a recent visit to Beijing. Does this signal a shift in the Canada-U.S. trade relationship, and create new opportunities for Chinese companies looking to do business in Canada? Canada's former Chief Trade Negotiator Steve Verheul and Blakes' Brian Facey join host Anant Raut to discuss developments in Canada's trade relationship with the U.S., and how this impacts foreign direct investment in Canada.

With special guests:
Brian A. Facey, Partner, Blake, Cassels & Graydon LLP and Steve Verheul, Principal, GT & Company

Hosted by:
Anant Raut

#59 Mergernomics: Killer Acquisitions

American Bar Association — Mon, 25 May 2026 00:00:00 -0400

What exactly do we mean by the term “killer acquisitions,” and how are those deals analyzed any differently by antitrust enforcers? In this episode, host Anant Raut talks to economist Dr. Ethel Fonseca of RBB Economics and antitrust attorney Danny Mader of Hogan Lovells LLP about how potential "killer acquisitions" get reviewed by competition agencies, using real-world examples such as Sabre/Farelogix, Visa/Plaid, and Facebook/Instagram. They explore the complexities of merger analysis, the nuances of potential competition, and how the same deal can have different outcomes in the US and the UK.

With special guests:
Dr. Ethel Fonseca, Partner, RBB Economics and Daniel Mader, Senior Associate, Hogan Lovells LLP

Hosted by:
Anant Raut

#58 Mergernomics: How Tariffs Redefine Product Markets

American Bar Association — Mon, 06 Apr 2026 00:00:00 -0400

How do tariffs redefine product markets? In this episode, economist Dr. Craig Malam and antitrust expert Carla Hine join host Anant Raut to discuss the effect of the Trump Administration's tariff-centric trade policy on how we determine the edges of a product market and what constitutes a substitutable product. Panelists then talk about what economists and defense counsel should take into account when the size and duration of a tariff can change with a social media post.

With special guests:
Dr. Craig Malam, Partner, Edgeworth Economics and Carla Hine, Weil Gotshal & Manges LLP

Hosted by:
Anant Raut

#57 Mergernomics: Extending Market Power

American Bar Association — Mon, 09 Mar 2026 01:00:00 -0400

Enforcers and policymakers have raised concerns that dominant firms like Google, Microsoft, NVIDIA, and Meta are extending their market power into AI by taking stakes in some of the most promising startups. In this episode, economist Dr. Elizabeth Wang and antitrust litigator Daniel Culley join me to discuss how economists measure the risk that a dominant firm could acquire its way into dominance in another market, as well as how to spot flaws in those projections.

With special guests:
Daniel Culley, Partner, Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP and Dr. Elizabeth Wang, Partner and Head of the China Practice, Econic Partners, LLC

Hosted by:
Anant Raut

#56 The Resurgence of Private Antitrust Litigation in the Asia Pacific

American Bar Association — Mon, 09 Feb 2026 00:00:00 -0500

What's behind the rise of private antitrust litigation in the Asia Pacific? Host Anant Raut talks to experts Kirsten Webb and Toshiaki Tada about the resurgence of follow-on cartel litigation in Japan and abuse of a dominant position cases in Australia. They also discuss the impact of Big Tech litigation, the complexities of proving damages, and the propensity towards settlements. Listen to learn more about how these trends could completely invert global litigation strategy for private plaintiffs!

With special guests:
Kirsten Webb, Partner, Clayton Utz and Toshiaki Tada, Partner, Hibiya Sogo Law Office

Hosted by:
Anant Raut

#55 Foreign Investment in the EU

American Bar Association — Mon, 26 Jan 2026 00:00:00 -0500

The rules for foreign investment in Europe are changing. In this episode of Trust and Trade, Bryan Cave LLP's Christine Graham and AmCham EU's Andrew Hill join host Anant Raut to talk about the reasons behind the revisions - protecting critical assets and technologies, a need for uniformity across member states - and walk listeners through the intricate steps of the European legislative process. What do the changes mean, to whom will they apply, and when do they go into effect? Tune in to learn these answers and gain many more insights into the evolving legal framework that will dramatically impact cross-border transactions!

With special guests:
Christine Graham, Partner, Bryan Cave Leighton Paisner LLP and Andrew Hill, Senior Policy Advisor, AmCham EU

Hosted by:
Anant Raut

#54 Mergernomics: Efficiencies

American Bar Association — Mon, 22 Dec 2025 00:00:00 -0500

In this latest episode in our Mergernomics series, we examine how attorneys and economists try to quantify the benefits of a merger, aka "efficiencies." Antitrust expert Brazil's Paula Camara and economist Silvia Faga de Almeida join host Anant Raut to discuss why efficiencies sometimes lower prices and why they sometimes don't, how economists measure them, which ones enforcers will accept and why, and how shifting policy priorities, such as protecting rather than firing employees, has changed what even counts as one.

With special guests:

Silvia Faga de Almeida, Founding Partner, Ecoa Consultoria Economica and Paula Camara, Partner, Mattos Filho

Hosted by:

Anant Raut

#53 Michael Jordan v NASCAR

American Bar Association — Mon, 24 Nov 2025 00:00:00 -0500

Why is Michael Jordan's racing team suing NASCAR? MJ's 23XI team and Bob Jenkins’ Front Row have been locked in a heated antitrust lawsuit with NASCAR over the charter system at the heart of the Cup Series, with the case set to go to trial on Dec 1, 2025. Brooklyn Law School Professor Jodi Balsam joins host Anant Raut and co-host Sathya Gosselin to talk about the history of NASCAR, the legal issues that remain to be decided, and how this monumental showdown between two of the biggest names in sports, in one of the biggest sports in the country, is likely to end.

With special guest:

Professor Jodi Balsam, Brooklyn Law School

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Sathya Gosselin

#52 Regulating AI, Ep. 4: South Korea

American Bar Association — Mon, 27 Oct 2025 00:00:00 -0400

How is South Korea reshaping AI regulation? In this episode, D&A's Yaera Jeon joins hosts Anant Raut, Rory Macmillan, and Nina Jayne Carroll to unpack South Korea's new AI Framework Act, the first comprehensive national AI regulation in Asia. They talk about its competing policy goals, broad extraterritorial reach, and compliance obligations for high-impact AI systems. They also discuss the government's recent guidance on the Act and whether it weakens the impact of the new regulations.

With special guest:

Yaera Jeon, Partner, D&A LLC

Hosted by:

Anant Raut, Rory Macmillan, and Nina Jayne Carroll

#51 What Makes a Price Illegal?

American Bar Association — Mon, 29 Sep 2025 00:00:00 -0400

What makes the price charged by a digital platform illegal? Host Anant Raut talks to antitrust economists Tasneem Chipty and Michael Katz about the legality of high and low prices, cross-platform network effects, and contentious practices like predatory pricing and bundled discounts. Learn how antitrust law looks at MFNs, "free" online services, and two-sided markets in this spellbinding episode!

With special guests:

Dr. Tasneem Chipty, Founder, Chipty Economics LLC and Dr. Michael Katz, Professor Emeritus, Haas School of Business University of California Berkeley

Hosted by:

Anant Raut

#50 Are IP Remedies in Big Tech Cases Going Too Far?

American Bar Association — Mon, 01 Sep 2025 00:00:00 -0400

Should Big Tech companies be required to open up their intellectual property when they break the antitrust laws? In this episode of Trust and Trade, experts debate whether requiring Apple to open up its app store restrictions, or Google to license its search data and divest Android, reduce incentives to innovate or are necessary to restore competitive balance. DuckDuckGo’s Joe Jerome and economist Keith Waehrer join host Anant Raut and co-host Jennifer Dixton to talk about how far is too far and what’s at stake for digital markets.

With special guests:

Joe Jerome, Senior Public Policy Manager, DuckDuckGo and Dr. Keith Waehrer, Managing Director, Secretariat

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Jennifer Dixton

#49 Regulating AI, Ep. 3: Brazil

American Bar Association — Mon, 04 Aug 2025 00:00:00 -0400

How is Brazil shaping AI regulation in the Global South? Our latest episode explores the Brazil AI Act, which if passed would become the first comprehensive federal AI regulation in the world to require AI companies to pay creators for using their work to train their systems. Pinheiro Neto Advogados's Raphael de Cunto joins host Anant Raut and co-hosts Rory Macmillan and Nina Jayne Carroll for a conversation on how Brazil’s approach could create a blueprint for global AI regulation, and its implications for innovation and enforcement.

With special guest:

Raphael de Cunto, Partner, Pinheiro Neto Advogados

Hosted by:

Anant Raut, Rory Macmillan, and Nina Jayne Carroll

#48 Regulating AI, Ep. 2: The EU

American Bar Association — Mon, 30 Jun 2025 00:00:00 -0400

How will the "Brussels effect" shape AI regulation across the rest of the globe? Europe is once again the first to regulate a new digital market, with the adoption of the AI Act. But was it passed too hastily? N-Square's Caroline De Cock joins host Anant Raut and guest co-hosts Rory Macmillan and Nina Jayne Carroll to discuss what we know the AI Act requires, what remains ambiguous, and the parts that EU enforcers have already begun to reconsider. If you're a practitioner advising clients, or a policymaker considering AI regulation of your own, this episode is truly a must-listen!

With special guest:

Caroline De Cock, Founder and Managing Partner, N-Square

Hosted by:

Anant Raut, Rory Macmillan, and Nina Jayne Carroll

#47 Regulating AI

American Bar Association — Mon, 16 Jun 2025 00:00:00 -0400

How are different countries shaping the future of AI? We start a brand-new series on Trust and Trade examining different regulatory approaches to artificial intelligence around the world. In this kickoff episode, experts Viktor Mayer-Schönberger and Anu Bradford debate strong vs light regulatory approaches to AI and explain "the Brussels effect." Will regulating too much/too soon quash innovation? Will regulating too lightly/too late open Pandora's Box? Join this lively conversation hosted by Anant Raut and guest co-hosts Rory Macmillan and Nina Jayne Carroll!

With special guests:

Anu Bradford, Professor, Columbia Law School and Viktor Mayer-Schonberger, Professor, University of Oxford

Hosted by:

Anant Raut, Rory Macmillan, and Nina Jayne Carrol

#46 Did the Quick Look Test Switch Teams?

American Bar Association — Mon, 26 May 2025 00:00:00 -0400

Can defendants now wield the “quick look” test to beat antitrust claims? In this episode of Trust and Trade, experts unpack the meaning of Justice Gorsuch's language in the Supreme Court’s Alston decision, and debate whether “quick look condemnation” is a game-changer or just rare dicta. Tune in for real-world insights and lively discussion featuring former FTC Commissioner Terry Calvani and Jones Day's Larissa Bergin, moderated by host Anant Raut and guest co-host University of South Carolina School of Law's Prof. Travis Wheeler!

With special guests:

Hon. Terry Calvani, former Commissioner, Federal Trade Commission and Larissa Bergin, Partner, Jones Day

Related Links:

NCAA v Alston (2021)

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Travis Wheeler

#45 Deals Down Under: Foreign Investment in Australia

American Bar Association — Mon, 12 May 2025 00:00:00 -0400

Thinking about investing in Australia? This episode of Trust and Trade dives into Australia's sweeping new merger control reforms and their impact on foreign investment. Antitrust partner Kirsten Webb and Department of Treasury's (AUS) Annalisa Heger break down the changes, from mandatory filings to faster reviews, and how they interact with existing foreign investment controls. Stay ahead of the curve and learn what these updates mean for global investors!

With special guests:

Kirsten Webb, Partner, Clayton Utz and Annalisa Heger, Senior Adviser, Department of the Treasury (AUS)

Hosted by:

Anant Raut

#44 Space Antitrust

American Bar Association — Mon, 14 Apr 2025 00:00:00 -0400

Can antitrust law keep up with the rapidly evolving space industry? This episode of Trust and Trade examines the challenges in maintaining a level playing field in space travel, satellite launches, and deep-space exploration. Space law expert Maria Rhimbassen and antitrust expert Dylan Carson join Anant Raut and co-host Amanda Norton to discuss government intervention, market monopolization, and the legal gaps in space regulation. Can we rely on the free market to preserve competition in space? Or is the race to become an interstellar species winner-take-all?

With special guests:

Maria Rhimbassen, Researcher, University of Toulouse and Dylan Carson, Partner, Manatt, Phelps & Phillips LLP

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Amanda Norton

#43 DeepSeek, and App-Level Competition in AI

American Bar Association — Mon, 17 Mar 2025 00:00:00 -0400

Has the entrance of DeepSeek completely disrupted competition in AI? App developer Scott Weiner and antitrust expert Elyse Dorsey discuss the concentration concerns at every level of the AI stack. Later we examine whether the emergence of DeepSeek, a Chinese AI startup, completely changes how we think about what is needed to compete at the app level in AI. We conclude by looking ahead to where the AI app market may be a year from now.

With special guests:

Scott Weiner, AI Lead and Fractional Chief Technology Officer, NeuEon and Elyse Dorsey, Partner, Kirkland & Ellis LLP

Hosted by:

Anant Raut

#42 The Problem With Pixels

American Bar Association — Mon, 03 Mar 2025 00:00:00 -0500

Do you find it unnerving when ads follow you around the internet? Today's episode reveals how websites monetize user behavior through advertising technologies such as tracking pixels. Our panel of advertising and privacy experts explain how ad re-targeting works, and debate the Federal Trade Commission's guidance on improper use of pixel technology and the potential impact on businesses and consumers.

With special guests:

Michael Sherling, Attorney, Federal Trade Commission, Olivia Adendorff, Partner, Kirkland & Ellis LLP, and Alan Butler, Executive Director and President, Electronic Privacy Information Center

Hosted by:

Anant Raut

#41 RICO Claims in Antitrust

American Bar Association — Mon, 13 Jan 2025 00:00:00 -0500

In this episode, experts dive into the novel approach of adding racketeering charges in private antitrust litigation. Initially used to bring down organized crime rings, claims under the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (RICO) have appeared in plaintiffs' lawsuits in the LIBOR and broiler chicken price-fixing cases. Host Anant Raut and co-host Sam Randall of Sperling Kenny Nachtwalter talk to Christina Lopez of the California DOJ and Ryan Holt of Sherrard Roe Voigt & Harbison PLC on the challenges of arguing RICO violations in antitrust suits. Later, they discuss how this might apply to algorithmic pricing.

With special guests:

Christina Lopez, Deputy Attorney General, California Department of Justice and Ryan Holt, Member, Sherrard Roe Voigt & Harbison, PLC

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Sam Randall

#40 Mergernomics: Diversion Analysis

American Bar Association — Mon, 23 Dec 2024 00:00:00 -0500

In this latest episode of our wildly popular "Mergernomics" series, Ph.D. economist Dr. Joanna Tsai explains diversion analysis, an economic tool used by antitrust enforcers to examine how closely two companies compete and whether their merger will be bad for consumers. Host Anant Raut and co-host Carla Hine then dive into different types of diversion analysis, as well as some of the limitations of the test.

With special guest:

Joanna Tsai, Vice President, Cornerstone Research

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Carla Hine

#39 Mergernomics: Merger Simulations

American Bar Association — Mon, 25 Nov 2024 00:00:00 -0500

In the latest episode of our popular "Mergernomics" series, Ted Rosenbaum, Deputy Director in the Bureau of Economics at the U.S. Federal Trade Commission, explains how enforcers apply merger simulations to predict market changes after a proposed merger, sometimes with unexpected results. Hosts Anant Raut and Virginie Caspard then dive into two enforcement actions (against the Aetna-Humana and Wilhelmsen-Drew mergers) where merger simulations were used, and later discuss whether merger simulations are as useful in analyzing non-price markets.

With special guest:

Ted Rosenbaum, Deputy Director, Bureau of Economics, U.S. Federal Trade Commission

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Virginie Caspard

#38 Mergernomics: Bargaining Leverage

American Bar Association — Mon, 14 Oct 2024 00:00:00 -0400

In the latest episode in our popular "Mergernomics" series, Compass Lexecon's Hélder Vasconcelos tells you everything you need to know about bargaining leverage theory - how to calculate it, what it means, and when to use it. Hosts Anant Raut and Paula Camara discuss with Dr. Vasconcelos how merger enforcers applied this theory in their reviews of the AT&T/Time Warner and Fresenius/NxStage mergers, and differences between the US and European approaches. The panel also talks about the challenges and limitations of using bargaining leverage theory.

With special guests:

Paula Camara, Partner, Matthos Filho, Veiga Filho, Marrey Jr. e Quiroga Advogados and Helder Vasconcelos, Senior Vice President, Compass Lexecon

Hosted by:

Anant Raut

#37 Mergernomics: Vertical Math

American Bar Association — Mon, 23 Sep 2024 00:00:00 -0400

By now in our popular "Mergernomics" series you've learned how to calculate the potential harm from a horizontal merger; but how do you measure the risk from a vertical merger? In this episode, Cornerstone Research's Dr. Craig Malam tells you everything you need to know about "Vertical Math" analysis in merger review - how to calculate it, what it tells you, and when to use it. Hosts Anant Raut and Analysis Group's Emily Cotton use Microsoft's controversial acquisition of video game maker Activision to discuss with Dr. Malam how to assess the risks of total or partial foreclosure from a vertical merger and how to use this analytical tool in relation to other economic tests in this series.

With special guests:

Dr. Craig Malam, Principal, Cornerstone Research and Emily Cotton, Managing Principal, Analysis Group

Hosted by:

Anant Raut

#36 An Oral History of the Capacitors Trial

American Bar Association — Mon, 02 Sep 2024 00:00:00 -0400

In this episode, listeners will hear the oral history of the landmark capacitors price-fixing case, a case that went to trial not once but twice in the midst of a worldwide pandemic. Attorneys for both the plaintiffs and the defense discuss their courtroom strategies, their approach to damages and guilty pleas, and adjustments they had to make on the fly in response to an unprecedented global health crisis. Later, presiding Judge James Donato shares his perspective on what worked well and what didn't, as well as advice he wishes every trial lawyer would follow, that no litigator will want to miss!

With special guests:

Christopher Young, Partner, Joseph Saveri Law Firm
Steven Williams, Founder, Steven Williams Law P.C.
David D. Cross, Partner, Goodwin Procter LLP
Margaret A. Webb, Morrison & Foerster LLP
The Hon. James Donato, United States District Judge, Northern District of California

Hosted by:

Anant Raut

#35 Mergernomics: GUPPIs

American Bar Association — Mon, 19 Aug 2024 00:00:00 -0400

In this episode of Trust and Trade, Dr. Elizabeth Wang, Executive VP of economic consulting firm Compass Lexecon, explains how antitrust enforcers use the Gross Upward Pricing Pressure Index (GUPPI) analysis to determine whether to stop a merger. Dr. Wang walks listeners through what the GUPPI test is, what it tells you, when to use it, and its advantages and limitations. Later, host Anant Raut and co-host NERA's Anton Kandalin discuss how the GUPPI test was used to challenge the Penguin Random House and Simon & Schuster mergers.

With special guest:

Dr. Elizabeth Wang, Executive Vice President, Compass Lexecon

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Antonin Kaladin

#34 "Why Is My Grocery Bill So High?"

American Bar Association — Mon, 05 Aug 2024 00:00:00 -0400

Why are groceries more expensive than they were 4 years ago? In this episode, agriculture policy expert Austin Frerick and economist Tim Richards debate the impact of consolidation on food prices, and the role antitrust should play. Hosts Anant Raut, Evan Harris, and Erika Inwald later discuss the Federal Trade Commission's lawsuit to block the Kroger-Albertson's merger, and what to expect at trial later this month.

With special guests:

Austin Frerick, Fellow, Thurman Arnold Project (Yale University) and Dr. Timothy J. Richards, Morrison Chair of Agribusiness, W. P. Carey School of Business (Arizona State University)

Hosted by:

Anant Raut, Evan Harris, Morrison Foerster LLP, and Erika Inwald, Hausfeld LLP

#33 Mergernomics: Critical Loss

American Bar Association — Mon, 22 Jul 2024 00:00:00 -0400

In this episode you'll learn everything you need to know about the Critical Loss test used by enforcers to determine whether to block a merger - what it tells you, how to calculate it, and when to use it. Guest Ron Drennan, Economic Advisor to the DOJ Antitrust Division and former acting director of economics, explains how Critical Loss predicts the profitability of a post-merger price increase. Co-hosts Scott Scheele and Anant Raut later discuss real world cases where the Critical Loss test was used by the DOJ in litigation (H&R Block/TaxAct and Aetna/Humana), with mixed results. The latest in our "Mergernomics" series, demystifying the economic tools used in merger analysis!

With special guest:

Ronald Drennan, Economic Advisor, United States Department of Justice Antitrust Division

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Scott Scheele, Kirkland & Ellis LLP

#32 The Non-Competes Ban

American Bar Association — Mon, 08 Jul 2024 00:00:00 -0400

In this episode, Open Markets Institute's Sandeep Vaheesan and former acting FTC Chair Maureen Ohlhausen discuss the looming nationwide ban on noncompete clauses for workers and debate the roots and limits of the FTC's powers under Section 5 of the FTC Act. Host Anant Raut and co-host Scott Perlman talk about the legal challenges the ban is likely to face, and where Lina Khan's FTC may go next with the agency's interpretation of its own authority.

With special guests:

Sandeep Vaheesan, Legal Director, Open Markets Institute and Maureen Ohlhausen, Co-Chair of the Antitrust and Competition Practice, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati

Related Links:

FTC noncompetes ban

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Scott Perlman, Partner, Mayer Brown

#31 Mergernomics

American Bar Association — Mon, 24 Jun 2024 00:00:00 -0400

This episode kicks off Trust and Trade's "Mergernomics" series, demystifying the economic analysis that antitrust enforcers use to predict whether a merger will harm competition and should be blocked. Host Anant Raut and co-host January Kim welcome Aditi Mehta, Economics Director for the DOJ Antitrust Division, to give an overview of the role of economists in merger review, common frameworks for understanding competitive harm, quirks of special markets like platforms and labor, and some of the most commonly-used tests to evaluate merger effects.

With special guest:

Aditi Mehta, Economics Director of Enforcement, Department of Justice Antitrust Division

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and January Kim, Counsel to the Director of Civil Enforcement, Department of Justice Antitrust Division

#30 Breaking Down the Closing Arguments in U.S. v Google

American Bar Association — Mon, 10 Jun 2024 00:00:00 -0400

It's been called the "antitrust trial of the century" - U.S. v Google, the DOJ and state AGs' case against Google's alleged search monopoly. In this episode, we asked three of the top antitrust trial lawyers in the country to listen to the closing arguments in the case and talk about the tactics and strategies of both sides, the effectiveness of their arguments, and potential implications for ongoing antitrust cases against Amazon, Apple, and Google.

With special guests:

Tara Reinhart, Partner, Skadden, Arps, Slate, Meagher & Flom LLP, Kalpana Srinivasan, Managing Partner, Susman Godfrey LLP, and Dan McCuaig, Partner, Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll PLLC

Related Links:

Transcript of the closing arguments

Hosted by:

Anant Raut, Host, Trust and Trade and Christopher Graham, Associate, Sullivan & Cromwell LLP

#29 Oral History of the LCD Screens Case

American Bar Association — Mon, 22 Jan 2024 00:00:00 -0500

US v AU Optronics, or, the LCD screens case, is one of the most important price-fixing cartel cases of the last 25 years. Now, for the first time, co-hosts Anant Raut and Anna Pletcher bring together lawyers from the prosecution, defense, and presiding Judge Susan Illston to recount some of the case's historic firsts, including the size of the financial harm, the extraterritorial reach of the Sherman Act, and the unique sentencing imposed. Get an inside take on the litigation strategies, the legal arguments, and the view from the bench in a one-of-its-kind account of this watershed case!

With special guests:

Hon. Susan Illston, Senior Judge, United States District Court for the Northern District of California, Heather Nyong'o, Partner, Cleary Gottlieb Steen & Hamilton LLP, Brent Snyder, Partner, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati, and Patrick Robbins, former Partner, Shearman & Sterling LLP

Related Links:

United States' Sentencing Memorandum

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Anna Pletcher

#28 A Brief History of Privacy Enforcement by the FTC

American Bar Association — Mon, 20 Nov 2023 00:00:00 -0500

The word "privacy" doesn't appear in the FTC Act, yet for 25 years, the FTC has used its limited resources and enforcement tools to act as the country's privacy enforcer. Past and current FTC leadership join host Anant Raut for this rousing look at the history of privacy enforcement by the FTC, and contemplate its future. In a world where the threats to privacy have grown manifold, has the Commission stretched the handful of words passed by Congress in 1938 as far as they can, and is it time for a new agency, empowered with fit-to-purpose authority, to take the baton for the next 25?

With special guests:

Samuel Levine, Director of the Bureau of Consumer Protection, Federal Trade Commission, Daniel Kaufman, Partner, BakerHostetler, and Maneesha Mithal, Partner, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati LLP

Hosted by:

Anant Raut

#27 The Hidden Impact of the Shipping Act Exemption

American Bar Association — Mon, 23 Oct 2023 00:00:00 -0400

Look around you - almost everything in your home or office was once on an ocean shipping vessel. Yet this essential area of commerce continues to enjoy one of the oldest exemptions from US antitrust law. Does this loophole keep prices low for consumers? Or does it raise prices for shippers and make supply shocks worse? Hosts Anant Raut and David Golden are joined by Shipping Act expert Melissa Maxman and the American Antitrust Institute's Kathleen Bradish to debate whether it's time to deep-six the Shipping Act antitrust exemption.

With special guests:

Kathleen Bradish, Acting President, American Antitrust Institute and Melissa Maxman, Partner, Cohen & Gresser LLP

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and David Golden

#26 Lina Under Fire

American Bar Association — Mon, 25 Sep 2023 00:00:00 -0400

Season 3 of Trust and Trade kicks off with an in-depth look at the heated turn in the relationship between the Federal Trade Commission and Congress, which broke into public view during a July oversight hearing by the House Judiciary Committee. Host Anant Raut and guest host John Villafranco welcome Katie McInnis (Chief Democratic Counsel to the subcommittee) and Nina Frant (former counsel to Commissioner Wilson) to discuss their insights from the hearing - what was said, how Chair Khan responded, and what this might mean for the FTC going forward.

With special guests:

Katie McInnis, Chief Democratic Counsel, House Judiciary Committee, Subcommittee on the Administrative State, Regulatory Reform, and Antitrust and Nina Frant, Vice President for Consumer Policy, U.S. Chamber of Commerce

Hosted by:

Anant Raut, John Villafranco, and Greg Fortsch

#25 The Rise, Fall, and Fallout of the FTC's 13(b) Monetary Remedies Authority

American Bar Association — Mon, 14 Aug 2023 00:00:00 -0400

It was a Supreme Court case about 1 word, worth $1.2 billion dollars. But after SCOTUS killed the Federal Trade Commission's ability to get scam victims their money back, the FTC got creative. On this episode of Trust and Trade, Anant and Rich talk to a panel of former FTC-ers, including former Commissioner Phillips, about the FTC's ability to make fraud victims whole under Section 13b of the FTC Act. We learn about the history of this law, as well as the rise, fall, and resurgence of the FTC's monetary restitution authority.

With special guests:

Hon. Noah J. Phillips, Co-Chair of the Antitrust Practice, Cravath, Swaine & Moore LLP, Maneesha Mithal, Partner, Wilson, Sonsini, Goodrich & Rosati and Ioana Gorecki, Special Counsel, Kelley Drye & Warren LLP

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Richard H. Cunningham

#24 The Delicate Dance of Joint Defense Groups

American Bar Association — Mon, 31 Jul 2023 00:00:00 -0400

In this episode of Trust and Trade, Anant and Anna take us into the inner workings of joint defense groups, discussing the unique challenges of working together as a band of equals behind a common goal but sometimes with differing approaches and client interests. Guests David Cross and Dr. Laila Haider offer insights on decision-making, trust, and transparency when working in a joint defense group, and offer practice pointers on how to make them work more smoothly.

With special guests:

David Cross, Chair of the Antitrust Litigation Practice, Morrison & Foerster LLP and Dr. Laila Haider, Economist and Vice President, Charles River Associates

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Anna Pletcher

#23 7 Tips for Putting On an Expert Witness

American Bar Association — Mon, 29 May 2023 00:00:00 -0400

To change antitrust policy, you have to win in court, and a key part of any civil trial is the expert witness. We invited a couple of veteran prosecutors to share their best tips and secrets. Whether you're preparing for your first trial or are a seasoned litigator seeking an edge in the courtroom, whether your next trial is bench or jury, there's something useful and surprising for everyone in this episode.

With special guests:

Steve Tugander, Acting Assistant Chief, US Department of Justice (New York office) and Bob Hubbard, Assistant Attorney General, Antitrust Bureau, New York Attorney General's Office

Hosted by:

Chris Young and Kathleen McMahon

#22 Biden at 2

American Bar Association — Mon, 17 Apr 2023 00:00:00 -0400

We debate the hits and misses from the first two years of antitrust enforcement under the Biden Administration, and make some predictions about what to expect in the next two years.

With special guests:

Eyitayo St. Matthew-Daniel, Partner, Paul, Weiss, Rifkind, Wharton & Garrison LLP and Lauren Willard, Partner, Covington & Burling LLP

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Michael Murray

#21 The Miseducation of Antitrust Courts

American Bar Association — Mon, 20 Mar 2023 00:00:00 -0400

Have judges gone too far and become too reliant on economic experts in antitrust cases? Legendary plaintiffs' attorney Michael Hausfeld joins hosts Anant Raut and Travis Wheeler to talk about whether dueling professional economists either cancel each other out or decide the fate of antitrust cases, and the right way for judges and practitioners to think about their testimony.

With special guest:

Michael Hausfeld, Hausfeld LLP

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Travis Wheeler

#20 Section 2 Criminals

American Bar Association — Mon, 16 Jan 2023 00:00:00 -0500

Would-be monopolists have traditionally faced fines and civil remedies; under the Biden Administration's more muscular enforcement of the Sherman Antitrust Act, they could face jail time as well. Law professor Travis Wheeler walks the former acting head of the DOJ Antitrust Division Richard Powers through some of the most famous monopolization cases in US legal history to help us understand where we could see criminal charges under the new regime.

With special guests:

Travis C. Wheeler, Nexsen | Pruet and Richard A. Powers, Fried, Frank, Harris, Shriver & Jacobson LLP

Hosted by:

Anant Raut

#19 Illumina/GRAIL

American Bar Association — Mon, 12 Dec 2022 00:00:00 -0500

Dual challenges to the Illumina/GRAIL merger on both sides of the Atlantic underscore the differences between US and European approaches to mergers. A group of experts featuring a veteran of DG Comp and an FTC alum walk us through the procedural and litigation intricacies, what happened on both sides of the pond, and key lessons for practitioners about proposed behavioral fixes to embattled mergers.

With special guests:

Paul Csiszar, Unit Director, DG Comp and Jennifer Milici, Partner, WilmerHale

Hosted by:

Anant Raut and Bill Batchelor

#18 Communication Between Attorneys and Economists Recap

American Bar Association — Mon, 12 Sep 2022 00:00:00 -0400

This past February, Amara reported on a panel discussion hosted by the ABA Antitrust Law Section on attorney-economist communications and how to enhance efficiency in the relationship between attorneys and economists. We provide a recap of that programming.

With special guest:

Amara Conteh, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich and Rosati

Hosted by:

Gabriela Antonie, Cornerstone Research

#17 Machine Learning and Its Connection to Antitrust

American Bar Association — Fri, 15 Jul 2022 00:00:00 -0400

Summary of a recent panel on ML and antitrust.

With special guest:

Masha Melkonyan

Hosted by:

Gabriela Antonie

#16 Cryptocurrency Primer for In-House Counsel

American Bar Association — Fri, 20 May 2022 00:00:00 -0400

This podcast will cover the basics of cryptocurrency, discuss recent regulatory developments in this area, provide an overview of what keeps in-house counsel dealing with cryptocurrency issues up at night and tips on how to navigate the challenging space.

With special guest:

Nguyen Vu, Associate General Counsel – Payments, Bolt

Hosted by:

Annie M. Ugurlayan, Assistant Director, BBB National Programs' National Advertising Division

#15 Presenting Expert Witness Testimony in Antitrust Trials

American Bar Association — Thu, 19 May 2022 00:00:00 -0400

Tips and tricks for lawyers who are new to presenting expert witnesses at trial and reflections on the importance of eliciting effective expert testimony in antitrust cases.

With special guest:

Eric Hochstadt, Partner, Weil, Gotshal and Manges LLP

Hosted by:

Katherine Kelly Fell, Associate, Milbank LLP, Vice President of Trial Practice Committee of ABA Antitrust Section

#14 The Economic Fundamentals of Two-Sided Platforms and Their Implications for Antitrust

American Bar Association — Fri, 13 May 2022 00:00:00 -0400

Dr. Caminade discusses the basic economics behind two-sided platforms and its implications for antitrust.

With special guest:

Juliette Caminade, Vice President, Analysis Group

Hosted by:

Gabriela Antonie, Manager, Cornerstone Research

#13 Privacy Rulemaking at the FTC

American Bar Association — Fri, 01 Apr 2022 00:00:00 -0400

On behalf of the ABA Antitrust Section’s Privacy Legislation Task Force, Kathleen Benway (Alston & Bird), JeanAnn Tabbaa (Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher), and Joshua Wade (McGuireWoods) host a conversation about the possibility of privacy rulemaking at the FTC, and specifically Magnuson-Moss rulemaking. They cover the sources of authority for FTC rulemaking (starting at the two-minute mark), Magnuson-Moss rulemaking generally (at the eight-minute mark), the FTC's recent changes to the Magnuson-Moss rulemaking process (at the 22-minute mark), and the potential substance of a privacy rulemaking (at the 28-minute mark).

Hosted by:

JeanAnn Tabbaa and Joshua Wade

#12 Teaching a Judge or Jury Enough About Regression to Trust (or Mistrust) It - A review with Andrea Rivers

American Bar Association — Tue, 01 Mar 2022 00:00:00 -0500

Andrea Rivers walks us through a publicly available tool developed by Prof Luke Froeb to teach non-economists about regression analysis.

Hosted by:

Gabriela Antonie, Cornerstone Research

#11 Minority Women Succeed as Antitrust Trial Lawyers

American Bar Association — Wed, 09 Feb 2022 00:00:00 -0500

Two seasonal antitrust trial lawyers, Barbara Hart and Debra Brookes, share their insights into how minority women thrive as antitrust trial lawyers in the private and public sectors. They address the unique issues that minority women face when practicing antitrust law, advise on how to succeed while handling these issues, and suggest how minority women promote their presence in the world of antitrust litigation.

Hosted by:

Yi-Hsin Wu, Judicial Law Clerk, New Jersey Superior Court

#10 Trial Practice 101: Expert Tips on Persuasive Use of Trial Exhibits

American Bar Association — Mon, 31 Jan 2022 00:00:00 -0500

A former antitrust prosecutor will share insights on how to use trial exhibits effectively. Most antitrust trials involve hundreds or even thousands of exhibits—often admitted under the business records exception to the hearsay rule—and liberal use of summary exhibits. The speaker will share helpful tips for identifying high-impact exhibits, laying the foundation for their admissibility, and using them persuasively before a lay judge or jury.

Hosted by:

Pete Schwingler

#9 Navigating Dietary Supplement Advertising Under Today’s FDA Regulatory Regime

American Bar Association — Tue, 21 Dec 2021 00:00:00 -0500

A table talk with Haijing Hu, Director, Regulatory and Implementation Staff, Office of Dietary Supplement Program, regarding emerging FDA priorities that should be top of mind for anyone engaged in the marketing and promotion of dietary supplements. The talk will cover a range of topics including enforcement trends and collaboration with the FTC.

Hosted by:

Raqiyyah Pippins, Partner, Arnold & Porter

#8 Antitrust in the 21st Century: A Conversation with CADE's Alexandre Cordeiro

American Bar Association — Tue, 14 Dec 2021 00:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the Section of Antitrust Law's Trust and Trade podcast, Alexandre Cordeiro discusses his agenda as President of Brazil's antitrust enforcer CADE, reviews recent agency activity, and shares a Brazilian perspective on the ongoing relevance of the consumer welfare standard.

Hosted by:

Hartmut Schneider, Section of Antitrust Law, International Officer

#7 State Enforcer You Need to Know: Elinor Hoffmann

American Bar Association — Thu, 02 Dec 2021 00:00:00 -0500

The State Enforcement Committee is proud to present the latest installment in our State Enforcer You Need to Know series, which aims to introduce state antitrust and consumer protection enforcers and the work that they do to the ABA. This episode features Elinor Hoffmann, the Chief of the Antitrust Bureau at the Office of the New York Attorney General. Previous episodes in this series can be found here.

Hosted by:

Kelsey Paine, Assistant Attorney General in the Antitrust Division of the Office of the Texas Attorney General

#6 DOJ Focus on Financial Services: A Conversation with Owen Kendler

American Bar Association — Tue, 16 Nov 2021 00:00:00 -0500

In January 2021, the DOJ Antitrust Division reorganized its sections to consolidate antitrust enforcement and competition policy for the financial, banking, real estate, and publishing industries in a new section, led by Owen Kendler. In this episode of Trust and Trade, Freshfields partner Jenn Mellott interviews Owen to get his thoughts on the section’s biggest accomplishments in its first year, his career at the Antitrust Division, and his advice for young antitrust lawyers.

Hosted by:

Jenn Mellott, Partner, Freshfields Bruckhaus Deringer

#5 Privacy Mavens Covid-19 & In-House Privacy Practice with Mary Ellen Callahan

American Bar Association — Tue, 21 Sep 2021 00:00:00 -0400

Māvən: one who is deeply experienced or knowledgeable—an expert. In this podcast series, you will get to know trailblazing women privacy lawyers, while also learning about hot topics in data privacy law. This episode features Mary Ellen Callahan, Assistant General Counsel for Privacy at The Walt Disney Company. Mary Ellen shares her insights on in-house practice during the COVID-19 pandemic and discusses her path to becoming a foremost privacy expert, including her experience at the Department of Homeland Security. Brought to you by the ABA Antitrust Section’s Privacy and Information Security Committee and Women.Connected.

Hosted by:

Erika Douglas, Temple University, Beasley School of Law

#4 No Poaching Restrictions

American Bar Association — Sun, 15 Aug 2021 00:30:00 -0400

Megan Browdie, partner at Cooley, discusses a recent fundamental program where Dr. Stephen Bronars, Partner at Edgeworth Economics, discussed the intersection of antitrust and labor and employment issues that are important to anti-poaching cases, including the core economic principles and empirical evidence that arise in these matters. Megan summarizes the main points of the program, and discusses recent legal developments, as well as what we can expect going forward.

Hosted by:

Gabriela Antonie and Nathan Blalock

#3 Acquisition of Potential Competitors

American Bar Association — Sun, 15 Aug 2021 00:00:00 -0400

A panel of distinguished speakers—FTC Commissioner Noah Phillips, President of the American Antitrust Institute Diana Moss, and Koren Wong-Ervin—discussed (1) the merits of calls for reform, including the views raised in Wong-Ervin’s forthcoming article, Acquisitions of Potential Competitors: The U.S. Approach and Calls for Reform, and (2) the types of economic analyses and evidence that may be most probative for evaluating the impact of these transactions. Joshua Hazan (Simpson Thacher) summarizes the main findings and discuss recent developments.

Hosted by:

Gabriela Antonie and Nathan Blalock

#2 Behind the Authors’ Keyboards: Anomaly or Harbinger? Examining Recent Private Merger Challenges

American Bar Association — Fri, 06 Aug 2021 00:00:00 -0400

The Fourth Circuit recently unwound a consummated merger transaction that was otherwise “cleared” by the DOJ, calling it a “poster child for divestment.” Is this an anomaly, or a harbinger of things to come? Jack and Carter suggest an answer, building on the data-driven analysis of past cases in their Antitrust Magazine article on this timely topic.

#1 Interview with Rich Cunningham, Author of A Watershed Moment? - What Comes Next for the FTC in the Wake of AMG

American Bar Association — Tue, 27 Jul 2021 00:00:00 -0400

An interview with Rich Cunningham, partner at Kirkland & Ellis LLP, regarding his new article, A Watershed Moment? - What Comes Next for the FTC in the Wake of AMG. Rich will discuss the impact of the AMG decision on FTC enforcement and related legislation.

Hosted by:

Chris Wilson, Of Counsel - Gibson Dunn & Crutcher LLP

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