Matt and Michael kick things off with Micko and Sam from Dream Flooring, discussing what it takes to run a high-energy flooring business while managing family life, social media, and early morning gym sessions. The conversation quickly becomes a candid look at the hustle behind the highlight reel and why putting yourself out there always beats playing it safe.

Next, the team catches up with Clever Choice's Victorian reps, Rob and Brad, for their first impressions of Floortec. From the camaraderie between competitors to the sheer scale of what floor preparation has become in the modern industry, it's clear this event is about more than just product.

Fresh faces Jodie and Ross, the new Leadership Team at Andersons Flooring, bring an outsider's perspective to a trade steeped in tradition. Three months in, they're already fired up about apprenticeships, gender balance, and serving 54 franchisees across Australia.

Dale from the Quick Step Academy drops some serious knowledge on installation standards, the importance of subfloor preparation, and the next evolution of the Master Installer course, now featuring deliberately crooked walls and all.

Wrapping things up in style is FCIA Chairman Brett Sturgess, who reflects on a sold-out gala, a growing event, and an industry that's strongest when it comes together as one.

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The conversation dives into the strong relationship between MAPEI and the FCIA, highlighting how both organisations share a commitment to training, apprenticeships, and improving industry standards. With a shortage of qualified installers still impacting flooring nationwide, the episode explores how initiatives like the MAPEI Academy and FCIA training programs are helping build the next generation of skilled tradespeople. 

Marco also shares the remarkable story behind MAPEI, from its beginnings in Milan in 1937 to becoming a global leader with operations across five continents and more than 55 manufacturing plants worldwide. The discussion covers how innovation, research and sustainability are shaping the company's future, including reducing environmental impact and developing more durable flooring systems. 

Kristian brings a practical perspective as a former installer, explaining how the industry has evolved over the past decade, particularly in substrate preparation, system-based installation, and the growing focus on environmental responsibility. The message is clear: great flooring starts from the ground up.

It's an engaging episode packed with industry knowledge, stories from the field and a few laughs along the way as The Underlay continues its mission of connecting the people who make the flooring industry what it is.

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The trio share how they each fell into flooring from completely different backgrounds, from growing up in a family carpet shop, to stumbling into retail after school, to coming across from the tiling trade by accident. Despite different paths, the outcome is the same: flooring becomes more than a job. It becomes a livelihood, a family, and for many in the industry, a lifetime career. 

A major theme of the episode is professionalism in the flooring industry. The team talks openly about the need for apprenticeships, licensing, and better collaboration among retailers, installers, and suppliers. They explain why great installers are the backbone of the business and how communication between the store and tradesperson directly impacts the customer's final result. 

Floor preparation also takes centre stage, with the boys reinforcing a message heard throughout the tour: the quality of the subfloor determines the quality of the finished floor. From managing expectations to walking away from jobs that can't be done properly, they explain why doing the job right matters more than simply winning the sale.

It's a fun, honest and educational episode about culture, teamwork and building trust with customers in a constantly changing industry.

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Jennifer shares her journey from retail salesperson to supplier representative, and finally to opening her own store in 2017 after more than two decades in the industry. Her passion is clear; flooring isn't just a product, it's about solving problems and guiding customers through an overwhelming decision. The conversation dives into what makes her store different, including a strong focus on design, styling and creating a welcoming space where customers can visualise their home, not just pick a colour. 

The episode explores real-world issues retailers and homeowners face every day, from lighting affecting colour choice to why the "house picks the floor" to the critical role of subfloor preparation. Jennifer explains how installation quality, proper preparation and realistic expectations matter far more than marketing claims, particularly with modern products like hybrid and floating floors. 

Along the way, the team talks trends, why greys are disappearing in favour of warmer tones, the importance of installers, and how warranties actually work. It's honest, educational and full of practical advice for retailers, installers and homeowners alike.

If you want to understand flooring properly, this episode is essential listening.

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Joined by Tony, Nick and Lisa, the conversation traces the journey from a small, carpet-only operation into a thriving two-level showroom built around hard flooring, service and long-term relationships. Tony shares how he fell into flooring more than a decade ago, why timing and population growth in Western Sydney mattered, and how embracing hard flooring early helped shape the business it is today.

Nick offers a fresh perspective as the next generation in the business, balancing a background in film and technology with estimating, measuring, and customer education. Lisa rounds out the picture, explaining how the family dynamic, repeat clients, and genuine care underpin everything they do, not commissions or quick wins.

The episode also dives into market shifts, from bamboo booms to waterproof planks, changing colour trends, and why darker, richer timber tones are making a comeback. Along the way, there's plenty of laughter, footy talk, jet skis, family banter and a reminder that great flooring businesses are built on trust, not transactions.

This is a warm, honest look at what happens when family values meet flooring expertise, and why local businesses like Flooring Extra Penrith continue to thrive.

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Greg walks through Clever Choice Flooring's newly refreshed timber offering, breaking down the three new ranges, Beauty, Meadows, and Pure, and explaining exactly where each sits in the market. From premium clean-grade boards to rustic, high-feature options and accessible entry-level timbers, the discussion highlights how Clever Choice has closed key gaps in the market without compromising on quality, authenticity or performance.

The episode also tackles the topics that truly matter on the showroom floor: livability, durability, repairability and long-term value. Matt and Greg unpack why timber is far more practical than many consumers believe, how modern UV coatings and finishes have improved wear resistance, and why timber remains one of the most sustainable and future-proof flooring options available.

Installation methods, floating versus direct stick, and the critical role of subfloor preparation are front and centre, reinforcing why education and correct system selection are just as important as the product itself. The conversation concludes with a look ahead to Clever Choice Flooring's 2026 roadmap, including product development, training, and where the broader flooring market is heading.

This is a must-listen episode for retailers, installers and anyone serious about selling timber floors the right way.

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This episode features the best conversations from the floor, beginning with ATFA CEO Phil Buckley, who shares his excitement about the event’s overwhelming turnout, the importance of national collaboration, and why training and craftsmanship will define the future. From there, Matt and Michael dive into the innovations, challenges and opportunities shaping the industry through interviews with Nathan from Belgotex, Brent from RLA Polymers, Josh from Marques Flooring, and Dale from Quickstep.

Across every conversation, a clear theme emerges. Training, education and collective responsibility are the backbone of a sustainable and successful flooring industry. From unlocking next-generation timber systems to improving subfloor preparation to expanding installer career pathways, every guest reinforces that knowledge is power, and the industry thrives when everyone lifts together.

This episode captures the energy, community spirit and shared passion that made the ATFA Expo such a standout event. Part Two arrives in the new year, but for now, enjoy the people, the ideas and the momentum shaping the future of flooring in Australia.

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With more than 20 years on the tools, Mikko has done it all from timber to hybrid and everything in between. But it is his shift into fun, chaotic, attention-grabbing social media that has completely transformed his business. Clearing out his showroom, building a lounge-style space, and teaming up with Amy, the mastermind behind many of his wild ideas, Dream Flooring has become one of the most talked-about shops in Western Sydney.

From buckets of water thrown across the showroom to inflatable pool dives to Eric attacking him with a handbag, every video is built on one thing: creating attention without taking yourself too seriously. And as Micko explains, the strategy is working far better than he ever expected. Penrith locals now walk into the shop asking to meet him, fans yell out as they pass by, and Panthers supporters come in purely because they want to support "that funny bloke from Dream Flooring.”

But behind the laughter is real expertise. With decades of installation experience, Micko discusses floor prep, hybrid evolution, product trends, why former installers make the best salespeople, and the balance between affordability and doing the job right. His story proves that flooring may be boring to the masses, but it never has to be boring to sell.

This one is hilarious, honest, and a cracking look at how passion, personality, and hard work can redefine a local business.

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•  What wild flooring video should Mikko film next?
•  Can passion for footy really build a business?
•  Should every flooring store start making fun content?

Tune in on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or watch the full episode on YouTube. Share it with a mate in the industry.

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What begins as a spontaneous visit evolves into a fascinating glimpse behind the scenes of one of Australia's most respected logistics providers. GMK's operation spans more than 100,000 square metres of warehousing nationwide, yet it still runs on the same family values and personal relationships that built the business more than 60 years ago.

Sarah shares her journey from accountant to CEO, a career built on curiosity, resilience, and empathy and explains how she continues to champion a "people-first" culture that values every driver, warehouse team member, and client equally. Anthony, who began his GMK journey more than two decades ago, offers an insider’s perspective on how dedication, consistency, and a passion for the industry have shaped both his career and GMK's reputation for reliability.

The discussion explores the importance of communication, innovation, and trust in logistics, from custom-built trucks designed specifically for flooring products to drivers who know their customers by name. Together, Sarah and Anthony reveal why GMK Logistics is more than just a transport company; it's the backbone of Australia's flooring supply chain.

Of course, this is The Underlay, so there's plenty of humour too, from fluoro workwear fashion to ultra-marathon running and even a spirited debate about roll-on versus spray deodorant.

It's an episode that celebrates commitment, culture, and community, the very traits that keep the flooring industry moving forward.

Listen now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your pods.

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Geoff shares how he first entered the industry nearly a decade ago, guided by a friend who saw his potential long before he did. From humble beginnings as a sales rep to national leadership roles, Geoff discusses the value of curiosity, connection, and consistency, answering your phone, showing up, and always being honest with your customers. It’s simple advice, but as Geoff explains, it’s what sets great reps apart in an industry built on trust and relationships.

The conversation dives deep into the evolving world of hard flooring. Geoff reflects on major market shifts, including the rise of hybrid flooring and the resurgence of laminates, and how technology continues to reshape what’s possible in design and performance. He also opens up about the importance of aligning values between suppliers and retailers, highlighting the growing collaboration between Carpet Court and Clever Choice Flooring.

In a heartfelt moment, Geoff shares his personal journey through a year of immense challenges, including becoming a father again and facing a brain cancer diagnosis, offering a powerful reminder about perspective, family, and what truly matters beyond the showroom.

From industry insights to life lessons, this episode delivers an honest, inspiring, and deeply human look at what drives the people behind Australia’s flooring industry.

The Underlay Podcast – where the stories beneath the surface inspire what’s next.

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Phil's journey is anything but typical. Growing up in Sydney, he watched his mother build one of the city's largest timber flooring companies from scratch, spent his teenage weekends on the tools, and then pivoted into education before returning to flooring to build a successful commercial and retail operation. Now, just five weeks into his role leading ATFA, Phil shares how a lifetime of hands-on experience, from laying floors to running businesses and conducting more than 600 flooring inspections, shapes his vision for the association.

The conversation delves into the significant industry challenges and opportunities currently facing the sector. Phil explains the impact of the recently announced Great Northern Koala Park, which has halted access to crucial resources, such as blackbutt timber. He talks candidly about the human cost of policy changes on small businesses, mills, and communities, and why understanding the people behind the industry matters as much as protecting the environment.

Education and training are at the forefront of Phil's strategy. He outlines ATFA's ambitious plans to upskill everyone in the supply chain – from retailers and sales teams who need better product fit-for-purpose knowledge, to installers, inspectors, and warranty managers who must communicate technical insights clearly to consumers. The episode also explores how ATFA is making training more accessible through online modules, face-to-face workshops, and purpose-built facilities across Australia.

Phil doesn't shy away from the complexities of change – whether it's new regulations, global timber supply pressures, or technology like AI reshaping the manufacturing and retail sectors. But his message is clear: progress shouldn't leave people behind.

Whether you're a retailer, installer, manufacturer, or just passionate about the flooring industry, this episode offers a valuable perspective on where the sector is headed and how ATFA plans to lead with innovation, education, and support for its people.

#TheUnderlayPodcast #FlooringIndustry #ATFA #TimberFlooring #FlooringEducation #BlackbuttTimber #SustainableFlooring #FlooringRetail #InstallerTraining #FlooringInnovation 

Over five intensive days in August 2025, the team came together to deliver a complete flooring installation inside a two-storey townhouse. From subfloor preparation to the final installation, the project showcased not only Clever Choice's premium vinyl and hybrid products but also the expertise of RLA's adhesives and compounds, and the hands-on involvement of FCIA apprentices.

Hosts Matt White and Michael Roberts guide us through the journey, sharing insights from key stakeholders. Listeners hear directly from Fiona of the FCIA about the importance of apprenticeships, the pathways into flooring, and the value of exposing trainees to new products and techniques. Apprentices Carli, Jarra, and Max share their nerves, excitement, and determination as they tackle vinyl, hybrid flooring, and a staircase installation, an essential milestone in their training.

RLA's Matt and Safi open up about subfloor prep, levelling, and the science behind their adhesives, while FCIA trainer Ryan provides expert commentary on what it takes to deliver a flawless installation. Store owners Simon and Fiona from Carpet Court Coffs Harbour also weigh in, highlighting the vital role apprentices play in the future of the trade.

Project Miriah wasn't just about flooring; it was about education, collaboration, and industry growth. With hours of content filmed, including a 38-step Clever Choice installation guide, this initiative sets a new benchmark for training and industry storytelling.

From the technical precision of subfloor preparation to the excitement of apprentices completing real-world modules on site, this episode captures the heart of an industry committed to building skills and supporting its next generation. Whether you're a flooring professional, a business owner, or simply curious about the craft behind the floors beneath your feet, this episode is packed with insights, laughs, and lessons.

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Recorded after two intense days on site, this conversation offers a candid look at the planning and teamwork that's gone into transforming a two-storey townhouse, from subfloor prep to vinyl and hybrid installation, including a challenging staircase. What began as a bold idea to create content around best practices has evolved into a large-scale industry showcase, featuring detailed demonstrations, technical expertise, and a focus on training the next generation of installers.

The team shares their experiences and insights from the project, discussing everything from RLA's hands-on product demonstrations and Clever Choice's emphasis on user-friendly solutions to the FCIA's commitment to apprentices and skills development. Listeners will hear how every step, from moisture testing to levelling, adhesives, and installation, has been carefully documented to create an invaluable resource for the flooring community.

Beyond the technical details, this episode highlights the power of collaboration between manufacturers, suppliers, and industry associations. Together, these stakeholders are working to raise standards, promote education, and ensure the flooring trade continues to thrive.

Whether you're an installer, retailer, manufacturer, or simply passionate about the future of flooring, this behind-the-scenes look at Project Miriah demonstrates what's possible when expertise, creativity, and teamwork come together. Tune in for practical insights, inspiring stories, and a glimpse at an ambitious project that could shape the industry's future.

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From the very start, listeners are drawn into Courtney's journey, a career shaped by family legacy, tough lessons on the tools, and an unrelenting commitment to relationships. Courtney recalls how his father's career moves set the stage for his own, and how his early years in floor preparation became the foundation for everything he does today. The conversation dives deep into why floor prep isn't just a step in the process, but an art form that makes or breaks a project.

Family is a central theme throughout the discussion. Courtney speaks candidly about raising his three kids as a sole parent while running a thriving business, and how rugby, through his own school days at TSS and now watching his sons play, remains a cornerstone of his life. He shares the pride of watching his eldest pursue opportunities in construction management, underscoring the value of hard work, apprenticeships, and creating pathways for the next generation.

The business insights are equally compelling. Courtney explains why relationships and partnerships are the lifeblood of Master Floors' success, especially when dealing with tier-one builders and projects that stretch across thousands of square metres. He highlights the challenges of managing multi-tower developments, including the award-winning casino precinct project, which earned Master Floors the "Commercial Job of the Year" award at the FCIA Gala. The conversation peels back the curtain on what it really takes to succeed at this level: risk management, cash flow discipline, and, above all, trust.

Listeners also get a candid look at the state of the flooring industry today, from the shift away from carpet toward timber and hybrids, to the realities of labour shortages and the urgent need for apprentices. Courtney outlines his goal to bring at least ten apprentices through Master Floors by 2027, and why investing in young talent is the only way to secure the future of the trade.

It's not all work, though. Courtney discusses the importance of stepping away, whether it's holidays, golf days, or time with his partner and kids, to recharge and reset. The episode closes with the fast-five questions, giving listeners a glimpse of Courtney's lighter side, from his love of Filipino food to his go-to holiday spot in Queenstown.

This episode is packed with authenticity, insight, and passion. Whether you're in the flooring industry, leading a business, or simply someone who appreciates stories of resilience and legacy, Courtney's journey is one that will resonate deeply with you.

Listen now to hear how Courtney Dunn and the team at Master Floors Group are shaping the future of Australia’s flooring industry.

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From there, the discussion dives deep into the long-standing partnership between Clever Choice and GMK Logistics. Michael explains that no matter how good the product is, if delivery isn't on time and in perfect condition, the customer experience suffers. That's where GMK's high-90% on-time delivery rate and commitment to service make them an essential part of Clever Choice's success.

Richard offers an inside look at how GMK maintains such performance, through decades of building the right culture, holding teams accountable, and continuously investing in people, systems, and its fleet. He highlights the importance of understanding customer needs, from delivery schedules to packaging that can withstand multiple handling points across thousands of kilometres. The conversation delves into the complexities of transportation in Australia's vast geography, the challenges of on-forwarding to remote areas, and why strong relationships with reliable partners are essential in the industry.

Technology and innovation are also at the forefront. GMK is rolling out new systems for better tracking and customer communication, aiming to deliver an "Amazon-style" experience for flooring deliveries. This includes SMS updates, improved visibility of freight in transit, and integration between Clever Choice and GMK's systems for seamless order processing.

The trio also explore the human side of logistics, driver training, safety systems, and employee culture, emphasising that every touchpoint, from warehouse to final delivery, impacts the brand. Public holiday disruptions, natural disasters, and the ripple effects of delays are openly discussed, with both sides emphasising the importance of proactive communication to manage customer expectations.

By the end, it's clear that the Clever Choice–GMK partnership isn't just about moving products; it's about shared values, strategic growth, and a relentless focus on service. Whether you're in flooring, logistics, or any industry where delivery matters, this episode is a masterclass in building partnerships that last.

Listen now to hear how two industry leaders keep the wheels turning, literally and figuratively, across Australia's flooring supply chain.

#TheUnderlayPodcast #FlooringIndustry #Logistics #BusinessPartnerships #CleverChoice #GMKLogistics #CustomerServiceExcellence #SupplyChainSolutions #AustralianBusiness #OnTimeDelivery`

From his humble beginnings in Tasmania to overseeing the operations and store design of one of the country’s most respected flooring groups, Mark brings sharp insights and plenty of laughs. The trio dive into everything from the complexities of public speaking and flooring industry conferences to the current state of hybrid, vinyl, and laminate products on the market. Mark shares how he tailors store setups to suit regional preferences, tackles the shortage of vinyl installers, and the ever-present challenge of selling floor prep to customers who can’t see it, but will certainly feel it if it’s done wrong.

The conversation also unpacks Floorworld’s strong relationship with Clever Choice Flooring, and the value of trusted partnerships in a fiercely competitive industry. Along the way, they touch on innovation, renovation trends, and why carpet is far from dead.

And as always, it wouldn’t be The Underlay without a good laugh. Mark’s “Fast Five” reveals his fear of the sea, his undying love for meat lovers pizza, and a well-earned jab at roll-on deodorant. This one’s packed with stories, strategy, and a whole lot of personality.

Tune in for real talk, flooring gold, and a few questionable jokes—only on The Underlay.

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This episode pulls back the curtain on what makes Clever tick, from cultural transformations in the Sydney warehouse to the obsessive quality control systems operating in both Australia and China. Michael shares insights into the power of having their own QC team on the ground in China, what goes into testing flooring products for our unique Aussie climate, and how Clever is using automation, AI, and next-gen warehousing to stay ahead of the game.

Matt and Michael also touch on some big-picture topics: why Clever isn’t afraid to be open about Chinese manufacturing, how product refinement is overtaking product expansion, and what it means to keep small business values while playing in the big leagues.

We also get personal, Michael opens up about balancing gym life with national travel, the importance of mental health, and why consistency (in both workouts and work ethic) is the real game-changer.

With new partnerships brewing, more industry-firsts on the horizon, and an exciting second half of 2025 ahead, this episode is equal parts reflection and rally cry.

Listen now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts!

Join the conversation:

• Would you try turtle on a factory tour?
• Is a 55-day turnaround even real?!
• Can CrossFit actually make you a better business leader?

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Joining us in this relaxed, post-conference episode are:

• Don from ATTAR – sharing the vital role of subfloor preparation, moisture testing, and the impact of proper apprenticeship training.
• Fraser from AFS – talking adhesives, innovation, and what’s next in floor bonding solutions.
• Brett, Chairman of the FCIA, is discussing the importance of setting new standards and supporting the trades.
• Fiona, CEO of the FCIA, shares her perspective on workforce development, apprenticeships, and the association's future direction.

From technical insights to industry-wide challenges, this episode captures authentic conversations that matter to floor layers, retailers, and manufacturers alike.

From war stories about rushed installations and product failures to bold visions for national training standards and better builder accountability, this episode is packed with industry grit, practical wisdom, and a genuine passion for raising the bar in flooring.

Listen now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts!
Join the conversation:

Should all installers follow a national standard instead of 50 product guides?
How do we better prepare the next generation of floor layers?
Can builders and installers finally get on the same page?

#TheUnderlayPodcast #CleverChoiceFlooring #FCIA #FloorTec2025 #FlooringIndustry #TrainingAndStandards #SubfloorMatters #InstallationExcellence #TrustInTrades #FutureOfFlooring #FloorPrepMatters #AustralianFlooring #HybridFlooring #TradeTalks #SupportTheTrades

They chat about:

• The difference between high-pressure retail and long-game wholesale
• The importance of building genuine relationships in flooring
• Clever’s standout products – including Chevron and the upcoming 10mm hybrid range
• What makes the flooring industry so addictive (spoiler: once you're in, you're in!)
• Plus, the real debate: spray-on vs roll-on deodorant

From NDAs and secret mansions to mentoring new reps and plans to turn Tasmania into Clever’s fastest-growing state, this episode gives a great insight into the people-first mindset behind Clever’s growing team.

Listen now on Spotify, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts!

 Join the conversation:
Have you ever laid a floor in complete secrecy?
Can Tasmania become the growth engine of Clever Choice?
What’s the best way to build trust in flooring sales?

 #TheUnderlayPodcast #CleverChoiceFlooring #FlooringIndustry #RobertRichardson #RetailToWholesale #FlooringRepLife #ChevronFlooring #HybridFloors #SalesStories #FromTheFloorUp

Jamie opens up about his first 16 months at the helm of Floorworld, reflecting on the steep learning curve, the unique passion within the flooring industry, and what it's been like stepping into the shoes of a long-standing industry leader. From renovating his own home to road-tripping through retail stores, Jamie shares why the relationships behind the brand are just as important as the products on the shelves.

We cover everything from generational flooring businesses to the future of installation, apprenticeship pathways, and how collaboration is transforming the industry. Plus, there’s some fun talk about European shoes, family golf days, and Jamie’s secret weapon for deodorant success.

Key Topics Include:

• Jamie’s transition into the flooring industry and his first CEO role
• Floorworld’s growth, new member stores, and future strategy
• Industry challenges around installers and apprenticeships
• Why product innovation and timing are critical to success
• The Clever Choice–Floorworld relationship and how it’s evolved
• Golf, Greek Islands, and the infamous “shoes” story

 Know someone starting a reno or looking for flooring? Send them this episode. And if you're in the industry, share it with your team. Don’t forget to subscribe, leave a review, and follow The Underlay for more stories from the floor up.

 #TheUnderlayPodcast #Floorworld #CleverChoiceFlooring #FlooringIndustry #TradeTalks #InnovationInFlooring #ApprenticeshipsMatter #RetailLeadership #MelbournePodcast #FromTheFloorUp

Shayna joins Matt, Michael, and Clever Choice product specialist Greg to chat renovations, flooring, and resilience. With her Brisbane townhouse ready for a refresh, Shayna walks us through her flooring journey, from selecting Clever Choice’s stunning Enchanted Hybrid to coordinating trims, accessories, and preparation with the Andersens team.

But this episode goes deeper than design. Shayna shares her career's emotional highs and lows, from navigating a two-year ban and media scrutiny to rebuilding her life, competing again, and becoming a voice for strength through adversity. Alongside flooring chat, you’ll hear about her SAS Australia experience, her love for her pets, and her drive to turn a house into a home.

Highlights include:

• Why Shayna chose Enchanted Hybrid (and how she tested samples in-home)
• The importance of trust, prep, and a great retail partner
• Shayna’s honest account of surviving public scrutiny and finding peace
• Life behind the medals: SAS, Celebrity Jungle, and comeback goals
• What’s next on her journey—inside the pool and beyond the finish line

This is more than just a flooring episode. It’s a powerful story of personal growth, elite sport, and the impact of good people doing great work. Listen, be inspired, and see how collaboration between Clever Choice and Andersens is helping Australians like Shayna bring their vision to life, one room at a time.

#ShaynaJack #TheUnderlayPodcast #CleverChoiceFlooring #AndersensCooparoo #FlooringWithHeart #EnchantedHybrid #OlympicJourney #ResilienceInSport #HomeRenovationAU #FlooringPartnership

Tune in as the team breaks down the critical role of subfloor preparation, the most common causes of product failure, and why “flooring’s biggest issues usually happen before a plank is laid.” You’ll also hear how RLA has exploded from an $80M to $ 200M+ company in just six years, their commitment to Aussie-based R&D, and why education is the future of the trade.

Key topics include:

• Moisture testing, levelling, and floor prep systems explained
• The rise of private labelling and how RLA supports major retailers
• The “Prep Set Go” initiative and why training is a game-changer
• Behind the scenes of RLA’s Melbourne-based tech and innovation hub
• How relationships and education are the real foundations of the industry

If you're in the flooring game, whether you're laying floors, selling them, or specifying them, this episode is a must. Share it with your team, your tradies, and your reps. Let's raise the bar from the ground up.

If you want to know more about RLA Polymers, check out the website:

https://www.rlapolymers.com.au/

Watch the Prep Set Go video series here:

https://www.rlapolymers.com.au/docs-category/prep/

#TheUnderlayPodcast #RLApolymers #FlooringIndustry #SubfloorPrep #MoistureMatters #AdhesiveExperts #LevelItRight #ConstructionInnovation #AussieMade #TradeEducation

What follows is a refreshingly honest conversation about the steep learning curve, the power of community, and the fast-paced, sometimes chaotic world of flooring retail. From carpet prong misadventures to quoting mishaps and borrowing forklifts, Will’s had a crash course in adapting on the fly—and he wouldn’t have it any other way.

Key moments include:

• Will’s path from commercial construction to retail flooring ownership
• Why having the right staff (shoutout to Rachel!) is make-or-break
• Learning the ropes fast—thanks to reps, podcasts, and a lot of questions
• Thoughts on product knowledge, customer trust, and working at pace
• A few laughs (and lessons) from the world of Crocs, carpet, and camping

Whether you're new to the flooring game or a seasoned veteran, this episode is packed with insight, laughs, and that unmistakable “fresh to the floor” energy. Will’s story is proof that with the right attitude and support, you can build something great—even if you leave your boots at home.

#FloorWorldHoppers #NewToFlooring #CarpenterToRetailer #FlooringJourney #FromToolsToTrade #CleverChoiceCommunity

#RetailRealTalk #TheUnderlayPodcast #SmallBizStories #FloorHuntersUnite

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1. Introduction: Matt introduces the excitement surrounding Clever Choice’s new hybrid products and their unique features, which set them apart in the market.
2. Feedback and Industry Reactions: Greg shares the positive feedback from installers and clients, highlighting the exceptional design and functionality of the new hybrids.
3. Deep Dive into New Products: Greg will provide a comprehensive overview of the 7.5mm Enchanted and 10mm Scenic hybrids, explaining their construction, advantages, and the strategic thinking behind their development.
4. Market Impact and Sales Dynamics: Matt and Greg discuss how these innovations are influencing market trends and sales strategies, reflecting the industry’s demand for higher quality and performance.
5. Looking Forward: The episode concludes with a discussion of Clever Choice's future directions for hybrid flooring, including potential market expansions and technological advancements.

This episode offers a unique perspective on the latest trends and technological advancements in the flooring industry. Greg offers insights, and Matt leads engaging discussions. Don’t miss this deep dive into how Clever Choice is redefining the standards for hybrid flooring.

For more information on the Clever Choice HYBRID range, click on the link below.

https://www.cleverchoice.com.au/products/list?id=21

#CleverChoiceFlooring #HybridFlooringRevolution #FlooringInnovations #HybridHeroes #FutureOfFlooring #FlooringTrends2025 #DesignMeetsDurability #FlooringSpecialists #UnderlayPodcast #FlooringTechTalk

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1. Introduction to Floor Tech 2025: We kick off with Ian Walker from Clever Choice, setting the scene at this inaugural event, buzzing with over 250 industry professionals. Discover what makes Floor Tech a landmark event in the flooring industry.
2. Industry Leader Encounters: Dive into engaging discussions with familiar faces and new stars, including a catch-up with Brett Talbot from Floor World, exploring the evolving partnership with Clever Choice and the strategic expansions influencing the flooring market.
3. Deep Dives on Industry Challenges: Listen in on conversations about the critical importance of proper floor installation, the role of trims and accessories, and the continuous push for higher standards across the industry.
4. FCIA’s Role and Future Directions: We explore the FCIA's significant impact on the flooring industry, focusing on apprenticeship programs, relationship building, and integrating comprehensive industry standards.

This episode is perfect for flooring professionals seeking to stay ahead of industry trends and anyone interested in how deep industry collaboration and innovation can lead to superior results and transformative growth. Join us as we delve into the heart of the flooring industry at Floor Tech 2025.

1. Introduction to the New Melbourne Team: Meet Troy, Akila, and Mikayla, who represent the core of Clever Choice's Melbourne branch. They share their backgrounds, what drew them to the company, and their initial impressions of their roles and the workplace.
2. Building from the Ground Up: Explore how these new team members are contributing to the physical and operational setup of the new Melbourne location, transforming it from a construction site into a dynamic office and warehouse space.
3. The Culture at Clever Choice: Discover how Clever Choice's family-like culture and flat management structure enable quick decision-making and create a supportive work environment.
4. Personal Growth and Opportunities: Hear from Akila and Mikayla about how their roles have evolved since joining Clever Choice, highlighting the company's commitment to employee development and empowerment.
5. Looking Ahead: The team discusses their goals for the Melbourne office and how they plan to contribute to the company's success in the competitive flooring market.

This episode offers a behind-the-scenes look at the challenges and triumphs of setting up a new office and how a focused and cohesive team can drive company growth and enhance customer service.

Segments:

1. Introduction: Matt and Greg open the episode discussing Clever Choice's growth, the impact of the podcast, and the increasing engagement from listeners, including unexpected feedback from the flooring community.
2. New Office and Team Dynamics: Explore the aesthetic and functional upgrades of the new Queensland head office, designed to showcase various flooring options in a practical, visually appealing setting.
3. Focus on Installation Excellence: Greg shares his extensive experience and observations on common installation issues, emphasizing the importance of proper trim and accessory use to ensure optimal flooring performance.
4. Educational Mission for 2025: With new salespeople on board, Greg outlines his goals for enhancing training and education within Clever Choice, aiming to elevate installation standards across the board.
5. Deep Dive into Trims and Accessories: Learn about the new range of trims and accessories designed to match Clever Choice’s flooring options perfectly. Greg explains the technical aspects and correct applications of different trims, advocating for two-part systems that promote better durability and easier maintenance.
6. Call to Action for Better Practices: The episode concludes with a powerful call to action, urging installers and retailers to adopt recommended practices for trims and installations, ensuring every flooring project is set up for success from the ground up.

This episode is a treasure trove of insider knowledge aimed at flooring professionals eager to refine their craft and anyone interested in understanding the nuances of high-quality flooring installation.

#FlooringExcellence #TrimMastery #CleverFlooring #InstallationInsights #PerfectTrims #FlooringProTips #CleverChoicePodcast

#HomeImprovementHeroes #DIYDoneRight #FlooringInnovation

What we cover:

1. Introduction: Matt opens the episode by welcoming the new team members and setting the stage for a series of introductions. He gives a brief overview of the recent changes at Clever Choice, including the move to a new warehouse and the expansion of the sales team.
2. Getting to Know Kai, Thomas, and Charlotte: Each new team member shares their background and what led them to join the flooring industry. Kai discusses his transition from working at Andersens to joining Clever Choice, highlighting his connections within the industry. Thomas talks about his previous experience at National Tiles and his enthusiasm for stepping into a sales role. Charlotte shares her background in home renovations and her passion for the flooring aspect of her previous projects.
3. Expectations and Excitement: The trio discusses their expectations for their new roles and what they are most looking forward to as they start their journeys with Clever Choice. They talk about the territories they will be covering, the challenges they anticipate, and the opportunities they see ahead.
4. Personal Insights and Fun Facts: In a lighter segment, Matt asks Kai, Thomas, and Charlotte about their personal interests, hobbies, and some fun facts about themselves, giving listeners a chance to connect with them on a more personal level.
5. The Fast Five Quiz: Matt concludes the episode with a rapid-fire quiz that reveals more quirky details about the new team members, from their preferred holiday destinations to their favorite movies and more.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone in the flooring industry, particularly those in Queensland and Western Australia, who may be interacting with these new Clever Choice representatives. Get a head start on understanding their backgrounds, expertise, and the fresh perspectives they bring to their roles.

#CleverChoiceTeam #FlooringFutures #SalesStars #MeetTheTeam #IndustryInsiders #NewFaces #SalesSuccess #FlooringInnovators

#BehindTheBusiness #TeamIntro

Segments:

1. Introduction: Our hosts catch up on recent developments, including Michael's new goats and Clever's move to a new Queensland headquarters. Paul Bevan shares insights from his diverse flooring and digital media background, outlining his return to the industry and his current role at Floorworld.
2. Building Relationships: Paul discusses the significance of relationships in the flooring industry, highlighting how long-lasting connections have been a cornerstone of his career. He reflects on the changes in flooring materials over the years, from traditional carpets to innovative hybrids, emphasizing the importance of adaptability in sales and operations.
3. Industry Challenges and Innovations: The conversation shifts to the current challenges in the flooring industry, particularly the shortage of skilled carpet installers and the impact on future flooring choices. Paul and Ian discuss how Floorworld has adapted by focusing on hybrid floors and leveraging new marketing strategies to reach a broader audience.
4. The Value of Community and Connection: A recurring theme throughout the episode is the importance of community and building personal connections within the industry. Paul and Ian share stories of how these relationships have not only enriched their professional lives but have also contributed significantly to business success.
5. Looking Forward: As the episode wraps up, Paul shares his perspective on the future of flooring, the potential shifts in consumer preferences, and how Floorworld plans to continue evolving to meet market demands while maintaining strong customer relationships.

This episode is a blend of professional insights and personal stories that underscore the dynamic nature of the flooring industry and the enduring value of relationships. Whether you're an industry veteran or new to the world of flooring, this discussion provides a deep dive into the challenges and opportunities that shape the market.

Join us as we discuss the following:

1. A Journey Through Time: Sid shares his remarkable 37-year career journey at Andersens, discussing the shifts in the industry, the evolution of products, and how maintaining a positive workplace culture has influenced his longevity with the company.
2. The Importance of People: A recurring theme in Sid's narrative is the significance of relationships within the company and with customers. He highlights how a familial, supportive environment contributes to job satisfaction and a strong business model.
3. Challenges and Triumphs: Sid and Michael discuss the various challenges faced over the years, from product selection to customer service, and how focusing on solutions rather than problems has been key to their success.
4. Future Forward: The episode explores the future of flooring with insights into market trends, product evolution, and the strategic decisions Andersens is making to stay ahead, including central warehousing and adapting to customer needs.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone in the flooring industry or those interested in the longevity and adaptability of a business through decades of change.

Some of our discussion points

1. The Melbourne Trip: Dive into the tales from our Melbourne journey, where we recorded six episodes in just one week! We'll share the challenges we faced the triumphs we celebrated, and reflect on the energy and teamwork that made it all possible. Highlights will include our apprenticeship focus and the "Females in Flooring" initiative.
2. Vinyl 5mm and Immortal Chevron: Discover how our latest products, the Vinyl 5mm and Immortal Chevron, have made an impact in the market. We’ll discuss their unique features, benefits, and the feedback we’ve received from both clients and flooring experts.
3. FCIA Partnership and Females in Flooring Initiative: Reflect on our growing partnership with the FCIA and revisit key episodes featuring Fiona and Helen. Learn about the significant impact of the Females in Flooring initiative and our plans to expand this collaboration in 2025.
4. Looking Ahead to 2025: Get excited as we discuss our move to the new Yatala premises, the upcoming Sydney Podcast Tour, and sneak peeks at innovative product launches. We'll explore how these changes will enhance our operations and offer new opportunities for our team and clients.

We hope you join us in celebrating a fantastic year and welcoming the new opportunities that 2025 will bring. Happy holidays from all of us at "The Underlay!"

Episode Highlights:

• The Andersens Brand Identity: Gabby and Desmond share what the Andersens brand stands for and how it resonates with both long-term and new customers.
• Key Marketing Strategies: Discover the innovative approaches that have kept Andersens at the forefront of the flooring industry.
• Digital Marketing Evolution: Learn how Andersens has embraced digital marketing, including successful platforms and campaigns that have enhanced customer engagement.
• Collaborating with Clever Choice Flooring: Explore how the partnership with Clever Choice Flooring has created a powerful synergy, elevating both brands through collaborative marketing.
• Overcoming Challenges: Gabby and Desmond reveal some of the hurdles they’ve faced and how they’ve turned obstacles into opportunities for growth.
• Future Campaigns and Trends: Get a sneak peek into Andersens’ upcoming marketing initiatives and how they plan to stay ahead of industry trends.

Whether you’re in the flooring business or simply curious about how strategic marketing can elevate a brand, this episode is packed with insights and inspiration. Gabby and Desmond's expertise demonstrates how thoughtful branding and collaboration can drive success.

Don’t miss this deep dive into marketing mastery!
Follow Andersens on social media to see their marketing strategies in action.
For more industry insights, stay tuned to The Underlay!

• Laminate Solutions
• Resilient Solutions
• Timber Solutions

Listen to discover the secrets behind the new ranges and how, with some simple yet effective marketing, Clever Choice is now a force to be reckoned with.

Listeners will gain insights into how the "Females in Flooring" program is working to provide support systems and opportunities for women in the industry while also hearing first-hand accounts of resilience and triumph. This episode is packed with powerful stories and future aspirations for inspiring and empowering more women to join and thrive in the flooring trade.

If you're curious about how the flooring industry is changing or want to hear more about the incredible impact of this initiative, this episode is a must-listen.

Together, we explore the benefits of apprenticeships for both businesses and individuals, discussing the skills that apprentices gain, the challenges and rewards of training the next generation, and the impact of programs like the one offered by the Flooring Covering Institute of Australia (FCIA). Whether you're in the flooring industry or simply curious about the journey from apprentice to professional, this episode highlights the essential role apprenticeships play in keeping the trade strong.

For more information on apprenticeship programs, visit the FCIA website at www.fcia.org.au.

Check out the team at Delta Floorword Ballarat on the link below.

https://www.floorworld.com.au/store-details/delta-floorworld-ballarat

Leveraging this experience, Jim established Hilston Wood Floors in Australia in 2004. His journey from a hands-on tradesperson to a successful business owner and esteemed flooring specialist has been marked by his dedication to offering exceptional services and products that captivate his clients.

Jim is also renowned for his expertise in providing detailed reports and serving as an expert witness in legal matters. With his extensive qualifications and role as a Senior Inspector with the ATFA, along with being an active member of the Building Dispute Practitioners Society, he has contributed to over 1000 reports. These documents range from repair evaluations to comprehensive reports for legal disputes, ensuring accurate and dependable information on flooring performance and aesthetic issues.

Check out Hilston Wood Floors on the link below
https://hilstonwoodfloors.com.au/

To check out Marques Flooring click on the link below
https://marquesflooring.com.au/

https://www.masterfloorsgroup.com.au/

Check out one of the stores on the link below

https://www.floorworld.com.au/store-details/gepps-cross-floorworld

Check out the Floorworld Inner City store on the link below
https://www.floorworld.com.au/store-details/inner-city-floorworld-collingwood

CVT Flooring was started by Emma's brother and has evolved over time. Emma is an Interior Designer and it was with her input that saw the shop transform from a flooring shop to a whole lot more.
Emma is all about giving your home a unique feel and creating an original piece of art that you can be proud of. Her commitment to sustainability is at the forefront of each design she prepares as Emma wants to ensure her clients get the best bang for their buck. If you are looking for a one-stop shop for your home from floor to ceiling, look no further than CVT Flooring, Lilydale, It's located between two microbreweries so at the very worst you can get a cold beer afterward.

https://www.cvtflooring.com.au/

"The Underlay" is focused on strengthening the flooring industry through education and training, apprentices are the key to the future of the industry, and with help from people like Julie, the future is bright.

Skills Insight, as a Jobs and Skills Council, will carry out research on skill needs, challenges, and solutions with the aim of better understanding ways to develop skilled workers as and where they are needed in our sectors and will facilitate an informed voice of industry on these issues.

For more information on Skills Insight please click on the link below.
https://skillsinsight.com.au/

If you want to hear more about trade credit insurance then check out the website on the link below.
http://www.watsontc.com/

Fiona Wischnewski is the CEO of the Floor Covering Institute of Australia (FCIA) and using her experience in training and education to take the flooring industry to the next level through skills development and quality assurance programs.

FCIA lobbies government & other industry stakeholders on behalf of all members, doing more than any one business or person could do on their own.
One of our key roles is ensuring the environmental and economic sustainability of our industry, while continuing to push for innovation and high technical excellence across the industry. Every day, FCIA strives to enhance the reputation of the industry for the benefit of everyone involved.

Michael and Fiona are on the same page in regards to training, education and the importance of apprentices and tradesman play in the flooring industry. During this episode they both have some great ideas on how to build the current base of installers to ensure that there is always enough qualified installers to keep laying floors.

With 25 years experience in the flooring industry Bobby Lenz has seen it all. Now as a franchise owner of Flooring Xtra at Birtinya on the Sunshine Coast of QLD he is using all of his experience to build a great business and offer a service that is unmatched in the area. Starting as an apprentice, Bobby has flooring in his blood and with a passion that is infectious, Flooring Xtra is the place to be when looking for a flooring solution on the Sunshine Coast.
Michael and Matt discuss the journey to Franchise owner and his passion for music and endurance sports.

If you want to get in contact with Bobby and his team click the link below.

https://www.flooringxtra.com.au/birtinya/

Insurance is a tricky game and many people don't know whether it's the right decision for them. In this episode, Michael and Matt talk to our resident insurance experts in Steven and David from BMS Insurance. With years of experience in the industry, there aren't many situations between them they haven't been across. 
Cyber Security is a very real threat to businesses, in fact in Australia, a company is hacked every 11 seconds. Getting the right advice from experts in the insurance field about how to best cover your business could be the difference between success and failure.
Do you need a broker, what is their role and does your business need insurance are just a couple of the questions we ask the gents.

To find out more about BMS Group and how they can insure your greatest assets click on the link below.

https://australia.bmsgroup.com/

With the economy kicking on there is no better place for Maddison Grisdale to be than in the heart of Brisbane living her dream as an interior designer for Plus Architecture. 
Every day is different for an Interior Designer and whether it's for a residential or commercial client Maddison must be prepared for whatever may come at her. Her close relationship with Clever Choice flooring enables her to spec many of the products from Clever with the utmost confidence.

An interior designer plays an important role in architectural forms by creating inviting and functional spaces within a building's structure. Interior designers use their knowledge of design principles, space planning, colour theory, materials and furnishings to develop creative solutions for using interior spaces effectively. They take into consideration a home's architectural style, existing furnishings and objects, as well as the client's lifestyle when creating unique designs that are aesthetically pleasing yet practical. Interior designers often collaborate with architects or builders during the initial stages of a project to determine the client's needs and develop strategies for achieving desired results. During the conceptualization stage, they create drawings or renderings to visually communicate their plans before construction begins. Once all of the elements are in place, interior designers coordinate furniture selections, painting colours and window treatments to bring their vision to life.

To find out more about Plus Architecture and how they can transform your home or design your dream home click on the links below.

https://www.plusarchitecture.com.au/

https://www.facebook.com/plusarchitecture

This week we chat with Olivia Lazenkas from Flawless Interiors.
Olivia has a long history in the flooring industry and is using her knowledge and experience to build a flourishing Interior Design business. She has a showroom at the back of the family Thomastown Floorworld shop and provides a unique service to the customers that come looking for a great flooring solution.
Her passion for Interior Design was established at a young age with the regular rearranging of her bedroom becoming a rite of passage more than a chore.
Check out the team at Flawless Interiors and Floorworld Thomastown on the link below.

https://www.floorworld.com.au/store-details/carpets-galore-floorworld-thomastown

This week Michael and Matt chat with the NSW State Sales Manager, Austin Bunn.
Austin is a passionate businessman whose commitment to his customers is second to none. He has many years of experience as a salesman, but his keen business acumen sets him apart.
Austin has run many businesses in the past, in fact, he was instrumental in establishing American BBQing in Australia. We enjoyed chatting to Austin and finding out a little more about what makes him tick.

If you want to get in touch with Marques Flooring see below:

www.marquesflooring.com.au

Instragram, Fb or Youtube (training) is all @marquesflooring;

www.instagram.com/marquesflooring

www.facebook.com/marquesflooring

www.youtube.com/marquesflooring

Instagram for inspiration is @marquesflooringdesign

www.instagram.com/marquesflooringdesign

ecoCORK can be found at;

www.ecoCORK.com.au

insta, fb & youtube - @ecocorkaus

www.facebook.com/ecocorkaus

www.instagram.com/ecocorkaus

www.youtube.com/@ecocorkaus

If you would like to donate to Build Cambodia do so below.

https://www.gofundme.com/f/build-cambodia-2022

Instagram and background @build.cambodia 

www.instagram.com/build.cambodia

If you want to get in touch with Phil and his team check out the links below.

https://floor-it-logistics-pty-ltd.business.site/

https://www.facebook.com/people/Floor-It-Logistics/100063982062984/

For more information head to the ATFA website - https://www.atfa.com.au/

To check out the huge range of Clever Choice flooring go to - https://www.cleverchoice.com.au/

https://www.pancare.org.au/
https://www.pancare.org.au/get-involved/