The SalesHandicapper: Your Winning Edge

S01 E10 Building a Zero-Waste Brand with Naturepedic | Arin Schultz

Skip Balch — Tue, 26 May 2026 13:00:00 +0100

Discover how Naturepedic is reshaping the organic mattress industry through sustainability, AI-driven marketing, omnichannel sales strategies, and exceptional customer experience.
In this episode of Your Winning Edge, Skip Balch sits down with Arin Schultz, Chief Growth Officer at Naturepedic, to discuss how the company achieved double-digit growth despite downturns in the mattress industry. Arin shares insights into AI in marketing, SEO strategies, relationship-driven sales, sustainability initiatives, manufacturing efficiency, and the future of the organic market.
Learn how small businesses can leverage AI tools, improve SEO, optimize customer experience, and build stronger sales relationships in today’s competitive marketplace.
Topics Covered:
Organic mattress industry trends
AI in marketing and sales
Omnichannel sales strategies
SEO for long-term business growth
Sustainability and zero-waste manufacturing
Customer experience and relationship building
Hiring and team dynamics
Manufacturing efficiency
Organic market competition
Sales growth strategies for small businesses
Key Quotes:
“AI is everywhere in marketing now.”
“Our return rate is under five percent.”
“Pick up the damn phone.”
“SEO, SEO, SEO.”
Chapters:
00:00 Introduction to Naturepedic and Organic Mattresses
02:18 Growth in the Organic Mattress Market
03:41 Marketing Strategies and Team Expansion
06:00 The Role of AI in Marketing
09:56 Embracing AI for Small Businesses
13:21 The Shift to Omnichannel Sales
18:12 Direct Sales and Customer Experience
20:31 Sustainability in Mattress Production
21:46 Sales Strategies and Relationship Building
24:24 Leveraging AI in Sales
26:34 Optimizing for AI Search
29:28 The Importance of SEO
32:40 The Long-Term Benefits of SEO
35:33 Hiring and Team Dynamics
39:08 The Role of AI in Manufacturing
42:19 Sustainability and Waste Reduction
44:41 Navigating Competition in the Organic Market
#Naturepedic #OrganicMattresses #AIinMarketing #SEO #SalesStrategies #Sustainability #CustomerExperience #OmnichannelSales #BusinessGrowth #MarketingStrategies #AIinSales #SmallBusinessGrowth #OrganicMarket #ManufacturingEfficiency #RelationshipBuilding

We hope you enjoyed this episode of SalesHandicapper!
– Skip and the SalesHandicapper Podcast team :)

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SalesHandicapper is a podcast for B2B tech founders and sales leaders building and scaling their sales engines. Hosted by Skip Balch, a sales strategist with over 45 years of experience in B2B sales and product development, each episode explores the real challenges of creating repeatable, scalable sales processes. Skip brings a diagnostic approach to sales, helping leaders distinguish between people problems, process problems, and ICP problems.
Whether you're a founder systematising what's working, a VP of Sales managing inconsistent team performance, or a sales leader navigating the shift from early stage to scale, SalesHandicapper delivers practical frameworks and honest insights to help you build your winning edge.

S01 E09 How AI Is Reshaping Sales at Datature | Brandon Neustadter

Skip Balch — Tue, 19 May 2026 13:00:00 +0100

In this episode, Skip Balch sits down with Brandon Neustadter, Chief Revenue Officer at Datature, to explore how AI is transforming modern sales processes.

Datature is at the forefront of computer vision AI, delivering end-to-end solutions that help businesses unlock powerful insights and drive efficiency. Brandon shares how AI is not just an add-on, but the core of their strategy reshaping how sales teams operate, generate leads, and build relationships.

The conversation dives into evolving go-to-market strategies, the role of AI in automating sales workflows, and how businesses can balance technology with human connection. Brandon also shares lessons from MODEX, insights on lead generation, and practical advice on using AI tools effectively.

From personalization in outreach to nurturing long-term relationships, this episode highlights what it takes to succeed in a rapidly changing sales landscape.

If you're in sales, AI, or business growth, this episode offers valuable insights into the future of selling.

Find out more about Datature: https://datature.io/

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We hope you enjoyed this episode of SalesHandicapper!
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S01 E08 The Role of AI in Modern Sales Strategies | Richard Malloy

Skip Balch — Tue, 12 May 2026 12:00:00 +0100

In this episode of Your Winning Edge, host Skip Balch sits down with Rich Malloy, Chief Revenue Officer at Nutrient, to explore how AI is transforming modern sales, leadership, and business growth strategies.

Rich shares his 12-year journey scaling Nutrient from a bootstrapped startup to a profitable company, along with insights into navigating today’s rapidly evolving sales landscape. From leveraging AI for efficiency to building trust with enterprise clients, this conversation is packed with actionable takeaways for sales leaders, founders, and professionals.

What you’ll learn in this episode:

* How AI is reshaping sales processes and making top performers more effective
* Why accountability is essential for successful sales teams
* Strategies to balance growth and profitability in 2026
* The challenges of selling developer tools and how to overcome them
* How to build trust with enterprise customers for long-term success
* The role of product quality and customer support in scaling a business
* How imposter syndrome can improve leadership performance
* Why passion is key to innovation and career growth

Key insights:

* “AI makes smart people smarter.”
* “What gets rewarded gets done.”
* “It’s a person-to-person thing.”

Whether you are in sales, leadership, SaaS, or tech, this episode provides valuable insights for staying competitive in a rapidly changing, AI-driven world.

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Nutrient and Rich Malloy
03:12 Rich’s Journey and Company Growth
05:52 AI’s Impact on Sales and Efficiency
08:59 Sales Kickoff and AI Integration
12:07 Challenges and Strategies for 2026
15:00 Sales Processes and Inbound Strategies
22:49 Ambitious Growth Strategies
27:32 Navigating Developer Tools Market
31:44 Building Trust with Enterprises
34:05 Ego and Imposter Syndrome in Leadership
39:41 Passion Beyond Sales

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#AIinSales #SalesLeadership #B2Bsales #SaaS #Entrepreneurship #LeadershipDevelopment #SalesStrategy #ArtificialIntelligence #StartupGrowth #YourWinningEdge

We hope you enjoyed this episode of SalesHandicapper!
– Skip and the SalesHandicapper Podcast team :)

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S01 E07 How AI Is Changing IT Services Sales | Bobby Jacobs

Skip Balch — Tue, 05 May 2026 12:00:00 +0100

In this episode of Your Winning Edge, host Skip Balch speaks with Bobby Jacobs, Head of Growth at Thread, an AI-powered service desk built for IT service providers (MSPs).

Bobby shares how Thread is redefining IT support with AI and what it takes to build a scalable, repeatable sales motion in a fast-evolving market. The conversation dives into the role of SDRs, the growing impact of AI on sales and marketing, and why delivering real customer value is the foundation of sustainable growth.

You’ll also learn practical insights on hiring the right sales talent, setting clear expectations, and maintaining strong customer relationships while staying focused on your ideal customer profile.

What you’ll learn in this episode:

* How AI is transforming IT service providers and service desks
* The importance of building a repeatable sales process
* The role of SDRs in scaling outbound and inbound efforts
* How AI is reshaping sales and marketing strategies
* Why understanding customer needs is critical when selling AI solutions
* Hiring strategies: why attitude and potential matter more than experience
* The importance of setting clear expectations for sales teams
* How to maintain strong customer relationships and retention
* Why focusing on your ideal customer profile is essential for growth

Key insights:

* “We say death to the ticket.”
* “You can’t hire work ethic.”
* “It’s all about activity.”

This episode is ideal for sales leaders, founders, MSP operators, and anyone looking to understand how AI is reshaping the future of IT services and go-to-market strategy.

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Thread and Bobby Jacobs
06:36 Building a Repeatable Sales Motion
12:37 AI’s Impact on Sales and Marketing
18:21 Hiring for Sales Success
33:05 Customer Relationships and Ideal Customer Profile

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#AIinIT #MSP #SalesStrategy #B2Bsales #ArtificialIntelligence #TechSales #StartupGrowth #CustomerSuccess #YourWinningEdge

We hope you enjoyed this episode of SalesHandicapper!
– Skip and the SalesHandicapper Podcast team :)

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#SalesHandicapper #SkipBalch #B2BSales #SalesStrategy #TechSales #SalesLeadership #StartupSales #SalesProcess #ICP #PipelineManagement #SalesCoaching #RevenueGrowth #FounderSales #SalesEnablement #GTMStrategy
SalesHandicapper is a podcast for B2B tech founders and sales leaders building and scaling their sales engines. Hosted by Skip Balch, a sales strategist with over 45 years of experience in B2B sales and product development, each episode explores the real challenges of creating repeatable, scalable sales processes. Skip brings a diagnostic approach to sales, helping leaders distinguish between people problems, process problems, and ICP problems.
The podcast features candid conversations with founders and sales leaders who share their journeys from early customer wins to scaling sales teams. Whether you're a founder systematising what's working, a VP of Sales managing inconsistent team performance, or a sales leader navigating the shift from early stage to scale, SalesHandicapper delivers practical frameworks and honest insights to help you build your winning edge.

S01 E06 The Truth About AI ROI That No One Tells You | Sean Patrick Fleming

Skip Balch — Tue, 28 Apr 2026 13:00:00 +0100

In this episode of Your Winning Edge, host Skip Balch sits down with Sean Patrick Fleming, Head of Growth and Revenue at Aztra, to explore how businesses can successfully adopt AI and drive real ROI through decision intelligence.

Sean shares how Aztra is bridging the gap between AI applications and implementation, helping companies move from experimentation to measurable outcomes. The conversation dives into the shift from service-based to product-based models, the true cost of AI, and why change management is critical for success.

You’ll also learn how to navigate the AI adoption curve, align AI initiatives with business goals, and use data effectively to unlock growth and competitive advantage.

What you’ll learn in this episode:

What decision intelligence means and how it drives faster ROI
The real total cost of AI and how to justify investment
Why most companies are still early in their AI adoption journey
How to align AI projects with business goals for success
The importance of data quality in AI implementation
Why AI augments human roles instead of replacing them
How to slow down the sales process to better understand client needs
Strategies for smaller firms to compete using AI
The role of curiosity and continuous learning in an AI-driven world

Key insights:

“We focus on getting outcomes faster.”
“Total cost of AI is often misunderstood.”
“AI will augment people, not replace them.”
“You need to understand the business DNA.”
“AI is the great equalizer.”

This episode is ideal for founders, sales leaders, and operators looking to leverage AI for business growth, improve decision-making, and stay competitive in a rapidly evolving market.

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Aztra and AI Applications
03:13 Transitioning from Services to Product
05:59 Understanding Decision Intelligence and ROI
08:54 Client Engagement and Adoption Challenges
11:48 Total Cost of AI and Justifying ROI
14:53 The Role of Change Management in AI Adoption
17:58 Sean’s Background and Perspective
20:51 Leveraging AI for Sales Efficiency
24:08 Differentiating in an AI-Driven Market
26:52 The Future of AI and Human Collaboration
30:39 Understanding the Sales Process
32:05 Navigating the AI Adoption Curve
34:58 Identifying Business Use Cases for AI
36:51 The Importance of Data in AI Implementation
39:30 Aligning AI with Business Goals
40:49 The Future of AI and Continuous Learning
43:59 Fostering Curiosity in the Age of AI
45:40 Leveraging AI for Business Growth
50:54 Competing with Larger Firms Using AI
52:29 The Unique Value Proposition of Small Firms

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#AI #DecisionIntelligence #ArtificialIntelligence #BusinessGrowth #SalesStrategy #AIOperations #DigitalTransformation #Leadership #StartupGrowth #YourWinningEdge

We hope you enjoyed this episode of SalesHandicapper!
– Skip and the SalesHandicapper Podcast team :)

Connect with me: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/skipbalch/

#SalesHandicapper #SkipBalch #B2BSales #SalesStrategy #TechSales #SalesLeadership #StartupSales #SalesProcess #ICP #PipelineManagement #SalesCoaching #RevenueGrowth #FounderSales #SalesEnablement #GTMStrategy
SalesHandicapper is a podcast for B2B tech founders and sales leaders building and scaling their sales engines. Hosted by Skip Balch, a sales strategist with over 45 years of experience in B2B sales and product development, each episode explores the real challenges of creating repeatable, scalable sales processes. Skip brings a diagnostic approach to sales, helping leaders distinguish between people problems, process problems, and ICP problems.
The podcast features candid conversations with founders and sales leaders who share their journeys from early customer wins to scaling sales teams. Whether you're a founder systematising what's working, a VP of Sales managing inconsistent team performance, or a sales leader navigating the shift from early stage to scale, SalesHandicapper delivers practical frameworks and honest insights to help you build your winning edge.

S01 E05 The future of sales roles in an AI-driven world | Michael Byrd

Skip Balch — Tue, 21 Apr 2026 13:00:00 +0100

In this episode of Your Winning Edge, host Skip Balch sits down with Michael Byrd to explore how AI is transforming sales leadership, sales management, and overall sales performance.

Michael shares his journey from sales rep to Chief Revenue Officer and explains how AI is reshaping the way sales teams operate from lead qualification and CRM management to coaching and performance tracking. The conversation dives into how AI-driven intelligence engines are helping sales leaders make better decisions, improve efficiency, and gain a competitive edge.

You’ll learn how data-driven sales strategies, machine learning, and automation are changing the sales landscape and what sales leaders need to do to stay ahead.

What you’ll learn in this episode:

How AI is transforming sales leadership and management
Why data quality in CRM systems is critical for success
How AI improves lead qualification and prospect scoring
The role of AI in sales coaching and performance tracking
How automation reduces manual work for sales teams
Why deal age is a key indicator of closing success
How AI creates a competitive advantage in sales
The future of sales roles in an AI-driven world

Key insights:

“Garbage in, garbage out.”
“AI has been behind it.”
“The model will tell you that.”
“You need to dive headlong into AI.”
“It’s going to be critical.”

This episode is perfect for sales leaders, founders, CROs, and anyone looking to leverage AI to improve sales performance, streamline processes, and stay competitive in a rapidly evolving market.

Timestamps:
00:00 Introduction to Sales Leadership and AI Innovations
03:54 The Impact of AI on Sales Management
08:16 Building an AI-Driven Intelligence Engine
12:21 Transforming Sales Coaching with AI
16:51 Engagement and Performance Tracking in Sales Teams
22:50 Future Developments in AI for Sales
24:07 Data-Driven Sales Strategies
26:44 AI in Sales: Enhancing Lead Qualification
30:31 The Future of CRM with AI
34:10 Sales Management in the Age of AI
38:47 Leveraging AI for Competitive Advantage
40:34 AI’s Impact on Lead Generation

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#AIinSales #SalesLeadership #SalesStrategy #B2Bsales #ArtificialIntelligence #CRM #SalesManagement #TechSales #BusinessGrowth #YourWinningEdge

We hope you enjoyed this episode of SalesHandicapper!
– Skip and the SalesHandicapper Podcast team :)

Connect with me: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/skipbalch/

#SalesHandicapper #SkipBalch #B2BSales #SalesStrategy #TechSales #SalesLeadership #StartupSales #SalesProcess #ICP #PipelineManagement #SalesCoaching #RevenueGrowth #FounderSales #SalesEnablement #GTMStrategy
SalesHandicapper is a podcast for B2B tech founders and sales leaders building and scaling their sales engines. Hosted by Skip Balch, a sales strategist with over 45 years of experience in B2B sales and product development, each episode explores the real challenges of creating repeatable, scalable sales processes. Skip brings a diagnostic approach to sales, helping leaders distinguish between people problems, process problems, and ICP problems.
The podcast features candid conversations with founders and sales leaders who share their journeys from early customer wins to scaling sales teams. Whether you're a founder systematising what's working, a VP of Sales managing inconsistent team performance, or a sales leader navigating the shift from early stage to scale, SalesHandicapper delivers practical frameworks and honest insights to help you build your winning edge.

S01 E04 Scaling AI Without Losing the Human Touch | Gary Tillery

Skip Balch — Tue, 07 Apr 2026 12:00:00 +0100

In this episode of Your Winning Edge, host Skip Balch sits down with Gary Tillery, the newly appointed CEO of Skkynet, to explore leadership, AI-driven growth, and the future of customer-centric technology businesses.

Gary shares his journey from board advisor to CEO and breaks down Skynet’s strategic shift from a perpetual license model to a subscription-based revenue approach. The conversation dives deep into why secure data, customer trust, and operational excellence are non-negotiable in industrial and enterprise environments and how AI is reshaping everything from sales strategy to internal infrastructure.

This episode also explores the human side of leadership. Gary explains why creativity, relationships, and hiring people with a servant’s heart are essential for scaling responsibly in an AI-powered world. From go-to-market strategy and free download models to building standardized processes that support long-term growth, this discussion offers practical insights for executives, founders, and technology leaders navigating rapid change.

If you’re interested in AI strategy, leadership transitions, subscription business models, customer engagement, or building trust-driven technology companies, this episode delivers real-world perspective from the front lines.

Topics covered in this episode include:

Transitioning from board advisor to CEO

Shifting from perpetual licenses to subscription revenue

Customer engagement and long-term loyalty

Secure data and trust in industrial applications

AI’s impact on operations, creativity, and leadership

Go-to-market strategy and sales execution

Hiring for values, culture, and servant leadership

Building scalable infrastructure and standardized processes

Balancing automation with human connection

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We hope you enjoyed this episode of SalesHandicapper!
– Skip and the SalesHandicapper Podcast team :)

Connect with me: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/skipbalch/

#SalesHandicapper #SkipBalch #B2BSales #SalesStrategy #TechSales #SalesLeadership #StartupSales #SalesProcess #ICP #PipelineManagement #SalesCoaching #RevenueGrowth #FounderSales #SalesEnablement #GTMStrategy
SalesHandicapper is a podcast for B2B tech founders and sales leaders building and scaling their sales engines. Hosted by Skip Balch, a sales strategist with over 45 years of experience in B2B sales and product development, each episode explores the real challenges of creating repeatable, scalable sales processes. Skip brings a diagnostic approach to sales, helping leaders distinguish between people problems, process problems, and ICP problems.
The podcast features candid conversations with founders and sales leaders who share their journeys from early customer wins to scaling sales teams. Whether you're a founder systematising what's working, a VP of Sales managing inconsistent team performance, or a sales leader navigating the shift from early stage to scale, SalesHandicapper delivers practical frameworks and honest insights to help you build your winning edge.

S01 E03 AI Is Reinventing Insurance | Nick Del Biaggio

Skip Balch — Tue, 24 Mar 2026 12:00:00 +0000

If you've ever tried to buy commercial insurance as a small business and felt ignored, overcharged, or just confused about what you were even buying - this episode was made for you. Nick Del Biaggio joins Skip Balch to explain how the first native AI insurance brokerage is flipping the traditional model on its head and why it couldn't have happened until now.
Nick has spent over 25 years in insurance brokerage sales and leadership. When he saw how fast AI was moving and how far behind the industry was, he made the jump to a Y Combinator-backed startup built from the ground up on AI infrastructure, operating across all 50 states and laser-focused on the small to medium businesses that legacy brokers have been ignoring for decades.
In this episode, they break down why small businesses get the worst deal in commercial insurance, what 97% automation actually looks like in a brokerage, how they went from helping a taco shop in North Carolina get liquor liability in a single morning to building toward a billion-dollar company, and what the future of the sales role looks like when AI handles everything except the human conversation.
If you're a small business owner, a CRO at a startup, or anyone trying to understand how AI is reshaping an industry that's been running on 1980s infrastructure, this one is worth your time.
Key takeaways:
The traditional brokerage model was built to bundle or ignore you. If your policy only pays a broker $50-100, don't expect a callback. AI changes the economics so that small accounts are worth serving properly.
97% automation is already a reality. What used to require constant human intervention - gathering requirements, matching carriers, issuing certificates - is now handled by AI, with humans stepping in only where judgment and conversation are needed.
Small businesses are buying the wrong coverage. Most owners don't know what their policy actually covers or what they're self-insuring. The job is to educate first, sell second.
AI can scan a contract and tell you exactly what coverage you need. No more sending documents to your broker and waiting three days while a deadline passes.
The future of sales is storytelling and empathy. When AI removes the administrative burden, you can hire for people skills - the ability to explain complex things simply and make clients feel genuinely cared for.
Don't out-kick your coverage as you scale. The biggest challenge isn't growth, it's making sure infrastructure can handle the volume. Building that correctly is the job.
Get your hands dirty as a CRO. Learn every part of the business, sit with the engineers, understand the full sales cycle - because when something is off, you need to know where to go and who to call.
Today is the worst day AI is ever going to be. The industries slowest to evolve are the biggest opportunities. If you've been displaced by AI, look at where your experience meets an industry that hasn't caught up yet.

Connect with Nick Del Biaggio on LinkedIn:
linkedin.com/in/nick-del-biaggio

Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
0:58 How Nick made the jump to Harper Insurance
2:49 Why the insurance industry is ripe for AI disruption
4:02 Serving the underserved: small business insurance in America
5:30 Real example: the taco shop that needed liquor liability by 3:30pm
6:58 Reversing the 90/10 rule: 97% automation at Harper
8:17 36 million underserved businesses in the US
11:25 Building a go-to-market team in Silicon Valley's AI gold rush
12:35 The unexpected calibre of candidates applying to a startup
14:17 How many salespeople and what does the role look like?
15:24 Why top talent wants to work 15-hour days at Harper
18:14 The salesperson as trusted advisor, not policy pusher
20:06 Partnership opportunities: CPAs, referral channels and beyond
21:04 The age modelling problem in traditional insurance brokerage
24:08 Real talk: can Harper get you a cheaper policy?
25:47 Harper's biggest messaging challenge
27:36 The number one sales challenge: infrastructure keeping up with growth
29:33 Marrying tech startup thinking with insurance expertise
30:33 Operational excellence, customer intimacy and what AI unlocks
34:09 Hiring for storytelling, not just credentials
38:27 Why everyone can relate to the insurance problem
39:46 The math plus commitment equation
41:23 Advice for small businesses: give Harper a shot
42:38 Advice for fellow CROs: get your hands dirty
44:43 Closing thoughts and what's next for Harper

We hope you enjoyed this episode of SalesHandicapper!
– Skip and the SalesHandicapper Podcast team :)

Connect with me: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/skipbalch/

#SalesHandicapper #SkipBalch #B2BSales #SalesStrategy #TechSales #SalesLeadership #StartupSales #SalesProcess #ICP #PipelineManagement #SalesCoaching #RevenueGrowth #FounderSales #SalesEnablement #GTMStrategy
SalesHandicapper is a podcast for B2B tech founders and sales leaders building and scaling their sales engines. Hosted by Skip Balch, a sales strategist with over 45 years of experience in B2B sales and product development, each episode explores the real challenges of creating repeatable, scalable sales processes. Skip brings a diagnostic approach to sales, helping leaders distinguish between people problems, process problems, and ICP problems.
The podcast features candid conversations with founders and sales leaders who share their journeys from early customer wins to scaling sales teams. Whether you're a founder systematising what's working, a VP of Sales managing inconsistent team performance, or a sales leader navigating the shift from early stage to scale, SalesHandicapper delivers practical frameworks and honest insights to help you build your winning edge.

SE01 E02 Why Most AI Sales Agents Fail Before They Even Start | Donna McCurley

Skip Balch — Tue, 10 Mar 2026 12:00:00 +0000

If your sales team is drowning in admin work and you keep hearing about AI agents but have no idea where to actually begin, this episode is for you. Sales enablement veteran Donna McCurley joins Skip Balch to break down why most companies jump straight into complex AI workflows and end up with systems that hallucinate, break, and get abandoned - and what to do instead.

Donna has spent over 20 years building dynamic sales enablement programs, taught AI agent-building at Microsoft, and now helps sales organizations cut through the noise by starting simple and building trust one agent at a time.In this episode, they get into the real difference between on-demand and autonomous agents, why your CRM data is probably not ready for what you think you want, how to actually calculate the ROI of bringing AI into your sales process, and what the sales org of 2026 looks like when humans and AI work side by side.If you're a CRO, sales leader, or enablement professional trying to figure out where AI fits without blowing up your team's trust or your budget, this is a conversation you need to hear.

Key takeaways:
Start with on-demand agents before you touch autonomous workflows. Build one, test it, make sure it works, then connect them. Skipping this step is why most AI implementations fail.

AI is best deployed on non-revenue-producing tasks first. Research, follow-up emails, client onboarding questionnaires - these are where you win time back fast and build team buy-in.You don't need perfect data to get started. Think of it like kindergarten - you find out what you have, identify the gaps, and build a roadmap from there.

Benchmark everything before you build. Donna won't deploy an agent without first measuring what the current process costs in time and headcount. That's how you prove ROI.Sellers need to trust the agent before it touches the CRM. Rushing integration before your team believes in the tool is one of the fastest ways to kill adoption.

A proof of concept should always be paid. If a prospect won't invest in a POC, they're not serious about moving forward.The future sales team is human plus AI, not one replacing the other. The role is evolving, not disappearing - think of it as the next layer, like when computers first landed on every desk.Find a consultant who enables, not just delivers. The goal should be teaching your team how to build and maintain agents, not outsourcing it and losing the knowledge when the engagement ends.

Follow Donna McCurley on LinkedIn and reach out to explore how she works with sales organizations to build AI agents the right way:
linkedin.com/in/donnamccurley

Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
1:52 Why static sales enablement fails sellers
3:29 How Donna started her AI consulting business
6:40 What is an AI agent?
10:06 The data compliance problem in sales
12:13 Why on-demand agents come before autonomous workflows
14:33 What to do when you don't have SOPs
16:02 Workstream 2: building agents and enabling the team
16:40 Real client example: the event onboarding agent
19:45 Using agent data to spot opportunity risk
23:08 CRM integration and the trust-first approach
24:15 How prospects are thinking about AI right now
30:30 AI as authorship at scale
33:01 How to quantify ROI from AI time savings
36:10 Why Donna charges for proof of concepts
37:21 Why she wins: compound interest over speed
44:18 Workstream 3: autonomous agents
46:13 The future of the sales role
48:05 Will AI reduce headcount?
49:12 Earning trust before everything else
56:26 Closing advice

We hope you enjoyed this episode of SalesHandicapper!
– Skip and the SalesHandicapper Podcast team :)

Connect with me: LinkedIn - https://www.linkedin.com/in/skipbalch/

S01 E01 How Marketing Agencies Can Survive AI and Win in 2026 | with Jon Tsourakis | The Winning Edge

Skip Balch — Tue, 24 Feb 2026 13:00:00 +0000

Marketing agencies are facing an extinction event. According to Jon Tsourakis, President and Chief Revenue Officer of Oyova, 20 percent or more of marketing agencies will disappear within two years as AI reshapes the industry. But the agencies that survive won't just adapt to technology - they'll double down on deep expertise, team selling, and genuine curiosity.

Jon shares battle-tested insights from leading a 30-person marketing and development agency through massive market shifts. From the death of content mills to why he fires clients who don't respect his team, this conversation reveals what it really takes to win in today's brutally competitive agency landscape. Skip and Jon dig into the realities of losing deals to insiders, why price objections mean you already lost, and the surprising power of walking away from bad-fit prospects.

If you're selling complex services in a commoditized market, this episode delivers hard-won wisdom on qualification, team-based selling, and building a sales process tight enough that clients feel zero pain from discovery to delivery.

Key learnings:
Why most marketing agencies will disappear in the next two years and which ones will survive
The real reason agencies lose deals and why price is never the actual problem
How to qualify ruthlessly so you stop wasting time on deals you'll never close
Why flying out to meet prospects in person still wins deals in the Zoom era
The one question that reveals true urgency in every sales conversation
How curiosity became the most valuable trait in modern salespeople
Why Jon fires clients who don't deserve to get rich from his team's work
The framework for team selling that protects both your salespeople and your delivery team
How to reposition competitors without ever talking about your own solution
What makes a sales process so tight that clients experience zero friction
Want more insights on building your competitive edge in sales? Follow Your Winning Edge and connect with Skip Balch.

Jon Tsourakis
President & Chief Revenue Officer, Oyova
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jontsourakis
jon@oyova.com

Chapters:

0:00 Introduction
1:03 Why 20% of marketing agencies will disappear
2:01 What happened to inbound-focused agencies
4:00 Deep expertise as a survival strategy
5:07 The final 10%: why clients come back to experts
7:09 Positioning and the danger of patching yourself together
8:17 What deep expertise actually means at Oyova
9:48 The biggest sales challenge: getting to the decision maker
10:44 Why team selling wins over solo selling
12:10 How Jon structures the sales meeting
13:47 Why Oyova loses: price and US-based labor costs
14:40 Why getting on a plane can make or break a deal
16:57 Qualify to disqualify: price conversations upfront
18:47 What is Oyova's winning edge?
20:02 How references and stories close deals
21:16 How to hire for gratitude and attitude
22:27 Where leads actually come from
22:52 State of the business and optimism for 2026
26:13 You can't teach curiosity: what to look for in salespeople
27:40 Curiosity as the fuel of AI
28:54 How Jon opens a sales conversation
30:49 Qualification is not a stage, it's the whole process
34:42 The real reason companies don't buy
35:09 Losing to insiders: the toughest deal to win
37:20 The power of walking away from a deal
40:14 When to send a prospect to your competitor
41:33 Repositioning your competitor instead of yourself
41:47 Jon's question to leave the audience with

We hope you enjoyed this episode of SalesHandicapper!
– Skip and the SalesHandicapper Podcast team :)

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SalesHandicapper is a podcast for B2B tech founders and sales leaders building and scaling their sales engines. Hosted by Skip Balch, a sales strategist with over 45 years of experience in B2B sales and product development, each episode explores the real challenges of creating repeatable, scalable sales processes. Skip brings a diagnostic approach to sales, helping leaders distinguish between people problems, process problems, and ICP problems.
The podcast features candid conversations with founders and sales leaders who share their journeys from early customer wins to scaling sales teams. Whether you're a founder systematising what's working, a VP of Sales managing inconsistent team performance, or a sales leader navigating the shift from early stage to scale, SalesHandicapper delivers practical frameworks and honest insights to help you build your winning edge.