Purchasing property is a task that most would undertake a handful of times in their life. It is an extremely daunting situation for many and trying to understand the market can be overwhelming.

With a background in teaching, Emily’s primary focus is to ensure her clients are provided with the correct information and education through the buying journey. 

She believes all buyers should have the same level of representation as a vendor. As a Buyer's Advocate, Emily levels the playing field for buyers and represent them throughout the entire purchasing journey.

Her goal is to reduce the fear and anxiety of buying a property through education and trust. + Along with that Emily is co-host of her own Podcast, My Millennial Property Podcast.

What Trending Keywords in the Tasmanian Real Estate Market are you most surprised by?
Along with that, they cover off what goes and what stays when a property is sold through the lens on some interesting news of a 'unaustralian' reception to winning a 4.2million dollar home that was featured on a recent season of Channel 9's 'The Block'.

This week on The Property Pod, our panel of experts share their top tips for improving the appearance of the front of your home. From landscaping to lighting, we cover everything you need to know to make a great first impression in the real estate market. Additionally, the team cover who their personality types match up with after completing some recent training on how it can help you better understand yourself and others. Don't miss this valuable episode that will help you enhance your knowledge and skills in the real estate market. 

Listen in as Drew provides valuable advice on how to navigate the industry and achieve success. Whether you're a seasoned professional or just starting out, this episode is a great resource for anyone looking to enhance their knowledge and skills in the real estate market. Tune in now to learn from the best in the business!

Find out more about Drew and the Caifu Property Team here:

@caifuproperty
Caifu Property Facebook
www.caifuproperty.com.au

1. Research the Area: Investigate the neighbourhood thoroughly. Consider factors like schools, amenities, and proximity to work.
2. Local Regulations: Understand the state-specific real estate regulations, taxes, and any unique considerations.
3. Local Real Estate Agents: Engage with local real estate agents who have a deep understanding of the area. They can provide valuable insights.
4. Zoom-Style Inspections: Yes, many real estate agents offer virtual inspections, including Zoom-style tours. You can ask your agent to arrange these.
5. Questions to Ask: During inspections, consider asking questions such as:
   • What is the crime rate in the area?
   • Are there any upcoming developments that might affect the property value?
   • What are the local schools' ratings?
   • How is the commute to essential places like work or grocery stores?

Listen along as we navigate some of the best-kept secrets of Tassie and explore where people have moved in and refuse to move out–which might help you decide on your current property venture or your next long-term residency.

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The episode discusses Tasmania's longest-held suburbs and why people choose to stay in these areas. Some of the suburbs with the highest average hold periods include West Moonah, New Town, Launceston, Moonah, and South Hobart. Factors such as desirable lifestyle, infrastructure improvements, family-friendliness, property value, affordability, and sentimental attachment contribute to residents' decision to stay. The limited supply of properties in these areas poses challenges for buyers.

Key Takeaways

• West Moonah, New Town, Launceston, Moonah, and South Hobart are some of Tasmania's longest-held suburbs.
• Desirable lifestyle, infrastructure improvements, and accessibility are factors that make these suburbs attractive.
• Family-friendliness with parks and proximity to water is important to residents.
• Property value appreciation and affordability influence residents' decision to stay.
• Older homeowners may hold onto their property as a store of wealth for their children.
• Limited supply of properties in these areas poses challenges for buyers.
• Being prepared to take calculated risks is crucial when opportunities arise in these tightly held suburbs.

Rhianna Farnan, one of the directors from Derwent Finance, joins us in the studio to discuss all things home loans, Hobart and beyond today.

Find out more about Derwent Finance at:

www.derwentfinance.com.au | FB @derwentfinance | TikTok @derwentfinance

The Property Pod is back and this week the team get into a discussion over the terms 'on the market' or 'in the market' and how a decision on pricing your property correctly could be the determining factor on whether it is a succesful campaign or just one that will sit idly by.

Listen in and let us know what you think.

Join the fun of The Property Pod once again as the team take you into the world of the Hobart Real Estate Marketplace.

To prepare for an upcoming House Inspection, Aaron picks the Brains of the panel with what questions he should ask, what he should be looking for and what type of impression he should make.

Listen in as the team provide some tips and tricks.

Taralyn Romero (@wickedwitch_ofthe_west) purchased a property in Kitridge, a small town near Denver, Colorado expecting a serene and quiet existence near Bear Creek. However, she discovered that the public had been using her land for swimming and access to the creek for the past 35 years.
We explore the dispute between the homeowner and the community and discuss how similar things can happen in our local marketplace.

Big News for local sports lovers as the Future of an AFL Footy Team in Tasmania was announced this past week; as well as 
Plans and Approvals for a Star Wars-themed house here in Australia and also on the radar as topics for discussion.

We also look briefly at the rental market in Hobart and how, in some areas, renting has become cheaper than buying. We examine the options available to those who are struggling with mortgage stress and discuss whether selling their property may be a viable solution.

They then cover off on a Building Materials Calculator that came across Pats Desk that could be very handy for anyone wondering how much they may need to budget to build their dream home.

As one of the top sales agents for the 7010 postcode over the past 24 months, Martin has sold an impressive 24 properties in Glenorchy for a median sale price of $602k. 

With his skills in negotiation and his commitment to creating positive experiences for his clients, it's no wonder Martin has achieved such success since joining the Sales team at 4one4 Property Co.

Tune in to the latest episode of The Property Pod podcast where our team of Real Estate agents, John McGregor and Patrick Berry, dive into the exciting world of the current Hobart Marketplace. 

Discover the shifting dynamics from a seller's market to a more balanced playing field for buyers and sellers. Learn about the emerging trend of savvy buyers who are seeking the right opportunity and not settling for anything less. 

If you've listened in before, you'd know all about the show's number 1 ticket-holding fan, Paige from Bendigo! 
So as a Christmas Gift this year, Paige joins Aaron & John on the Mics for one last episode for 2022

Want to find out the meaning of a few more real estate terms then listen in to another week of The Property Pod 

Listen in as Jen speaks with such passion and joy about the journey the property has gone on over the years and the amazing amount of thought and detail that went into the renovation of this stunning home.

Hermione runs her own Business and personal development coaching company over at Sidekick.net.au + co-hosts her own podcast, Those Real Estate Chicks, with Courtney Hill.

Hermione has been Helping real estate business owners and their people create strategy, systems and structure to grow with ease.

She has been part of the real estate industry for over 14 years and worked in a range of roles from Property Manager to Department Manager in both Sydney and London. 

She now works for herself as a freelance consultant providing coaching, consulting and training services to the real estate industry to help them grow and reduce the stress along the way.

Recently launching sidekick.net.au; Hermione provides solutions for agencies looking to grow. 
Providing a range of options including coaching, systems consulting, training, outsourced property management and cover.

Tom has made a name for himself as a local YouTube star and curator of his own educational investment website with the aim to help kids and young adults to become more financially educated- and the young man does not disappoint! Listen in and then jump over to toms website and Youtube channel to delve deeper down the rabbit hole.

This week, the Property Pod team is joined by Tara Christensen, a superstar real estate professional and a Digital Strategist of REA Group who has already experienced the best of both worlds, real estate-wise.

Tune in as we take a glimpse of real estate across the ditch, the dos and don'ts, some digital marketing tips and tricks, a bunch of ‘words of wisdom, and basically, a little bit of everything and anything real estate.

John covers off on 5 main points to think about when getting into the Investment Property Space- from getting a Property Health Check to talking to a Broker about the structure of your loans- this is one not to miss.

Listen in as John breaks down the event and passes on some of the Gold Nuggets that were passed along on the evening.

*This week's episode is brought to you by the RAMS x 4one4 Property Co. 2022 Invest in your Future Investment Seminar... Next week, Tues the 30th Aug at Brewlab Craft Beer Cafe (22 Gepp Parade, Derwent Park) between 5:30 and 7:30pm... Register your interest and grab a ticket at the link attached: https://bit.ly/3QwDP2n

Listen in as John & Suz discuss how its not all Doom and Gloom out there for both buyers and sellers!

Another Cracking episode of your weekly engagement of real estate news here in the Hobart Marketplace.

Andrew also runs us through the recent sale and purchase of his own property- Another cracking episode of everyone's favourite Tasmanian real estate podcast.

If you thought the Commonwealth Games were the biggest sporting event going on this week, you'd be wrong!... the PCYC in New Norfolk was the epicentre of a mass pilgrimage of support behind one community netball team, YTG!

Find out the origin story of YTG and how this true underdog story of grit and determination inspired what I'm sure will become one day one of the all time greatest sporting tales of our generation.

Mikayla & Taylese, Co-Captains of YTG & Property Managers at 4one4 Property Co. join the Property Pod this week for what can only be described as one of the best podcast entries of all time!

(Disclaimer: Those who tune in for property advice or coherent story telling... there is Very little of that on this weeks show ;) haha)

Despite a case of the spicy cough, the boys have a spicy conversation about Marketing and the 4one4 Approach to getting your property not just in front of a lot of eyeballs... but even more, the RIGHT set of eyeballs! Maximising the reach of your property campaign through technology and innovate ideas 

Abbey goes into detail about her amazing team and how it has grown over the past year; as well as providing some insights into how to prepare the best possible rental application.

Listen in here or wherever you get your podcasts

Find out where the majority of the blocks of land are for sale currently & how many have sold in the year to date.

Listen in to the fun filled conversation detailed all the things you can expect at the fun filled event coming soon.

Listen in to find out more about Campaign Agent here

The vision is for a modern, efficient, fully accessible precinct that will house Council Chambers, the Library, commercial tenancies, and other government services.

Plan Build Tasmania allows anyone to enter an address in the portal to see what planning zones and codes apply to a property.  
A Property Report can be generated which includes maps, details of the planning zone, codes and other information that affect the selected property.

Listen in as the boys unpack the schemes & give their opinions on them.

This week Aaron is back at the desk to lead the show, as Pat and John jump into some proposals that could help ease some of the Housing Affordability issues that face Tasmanian and Australians.

It's great to have the whole team back together to have another engaging and easy to listen to chat about all things property in the Hobart marketplace.

Chris is super passionate and brings great knowledge and insight in this weeks episode of The Property Pod.

Listen in on some anecdotes over their journey as real estate agents that may help you get a foot up in the purchasing space of property here in Tasmania

It's the first week of the year and the Property Pod team are back for their first pod of the year.

The team look back over what has been described as a Golden Year of Real Estate for home owners in 2021- and look forward into what is forecast for the year to come.

One thing is for sure, its going to be a big year for the Property Pod & 4one4 Property Co.

Jump in to the latest episode here (or wherever you get your podcasts)

2021 Data

• In retrospect, 2021 has been a golden year for the real estate market in Australia.
• With the “fear-of-missing-out” in 2021, the past year showed the highest 12-month growth rate since 1989. 
• Hobart was revealed as the hottest capital city property market with prices climbing up to 27.7%.
• Sydney (25.8%), Brisbane (25.1%), Canberra (25.4%), Adelaide (21.4%), Darwin (16.7%), Melbourne (16.3%), and Perth (14.5%).

2022 Price Predictions

• This 2022, prices are still expected to rise but will cool down before falling in 2023, experts say. 
• The National Australia Bank (NAB) foresees a 4.9% increase in property values in 2022 and a 4% decline in 2023.
• Australia and New Zealand Banking Group (ANZ) predicts a similar pattern with a lift of 6% this year and a decrease of 4% next year.
• The Commonwealth Bank expects house prices to lift by 7% in 2022 and assumes the biggest price drop in 2023 out of the major banks of 10%
• Finally, Westpac is looking into an 8% rise this year and a 5% fall in 2023

Interest Rates

• Experts believe interest rates are likely to rise (hence, property prices will drop)
• House prices and interest rates are inversely proportional with each other: when one goes up, the other goes down.
• The Reserve Bank of Australia (RBA) mentioned that it won’t lift the cash rate until inflation reaches the 2 to 3 per cent range.
• Banks have already started hiking fixed rates while cutting variable rates to attract new customers. Hence, RateCity's Sally Tindall said borrowers need to be prepared for rate rises in 2022. 

Moderation in Price Growth

• ANZ senior economist Felicity Emmett said affordability constraints and the increase in the supply of homes for sale – with record auction volumes and a significant lift in property listings in late 2021 – were the main factors currently driving the moderation in price growth.
• The impact of rising fixed mortgage rates and tighter lending standards would be seen throughout the year as house hunters faced reduced borrowing power.
• She forecast capital city property prices to rise another 6 per cent this year, with stronger gains expected in the first half of the year and growth to flatten by the December quarter before turning negative at the start of next year.

How Omicron Affects 2022 Figures

• REA Group's Eleanor Creagh said that lifestyle locations such as Queensland are also expected to do well in 2022 as people continue to leave states hardest hit by the COVID-19 pandemic. 
• "If you look at the regional market, it's those well-connected, commutable regions that have good infrastructure and service provisioning that are going to continue to see heightened demand," says Creagh.
• Some analysts conclude that if people will have continuous fears for a new COVID variant such as Omicron, house prices could lift into double digits again this year.
• The emergence of Omicron for Ms Tindall is a timely reminder that we can never be certain despite anyone’s best predictions. "It’s too early to say what impact this new strain will have on rates, however, if borders keep opening and shutting, confidence is likely to take a hit," she mentioned. 
• On the contrary, Pete Wargent, co-founder of BuyersBuyers said that the Omicron strain will have a negligible impact on the trajectory of the housing market.
• "To a certain extent, the last couple of years should have reminded us that making predictions is very hard, especially when they are about pandemics or the future. But, that said, there's little to indicate that the latest strain of the virus will have any meaningful impact on housing market trends," Mr Wargent explained.

First Home Buyers in 2022

• First home buyers started the year 2021 strong with a record-high number of first home buyer loans until it gradually declined month after month. 
• Ms Tindall expects the same scenario to continue this 2022. 
• According to the ABS lending indicators, the number of new loans being taken out by first home buyers has decreased by 11% in a year while the amount borrowed by them increased to 1% as house prices are directed upwards. 
• CoreLogic's Eliza Owen warns that “first home buyers dropping out of the market now will compound wealth inequality down the track.”
• "If you're not in the property market, and you're just trying to save up, say, a 20 per cent deposit, property prices can really run away from you," she stressed.

This week we are lucky enough to once again have John, his Dad Chris Mcgregor, and Logie Award winning Tasmanian Comedian and TV Star, Luke  McGregor.

Listen in as the family members discuss all things affordability and what Australia may need to do to even the playing field when it comes to the property market.

Episode: | EP108
Show Title: | Another Lukewarm Christmas
Cast: | Aaron Horne & John McGregor
Guests: | Chris McGregor & Luke McGregor
Show Length: | 25 minutes 54 seconds

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Are you looking to Buy or sell property in any of the following suburbs -

Lenah Valley, Glenorchy, Moonah, New Town, Montrose, Bagdad, Brighton, Bridgewater, Bellerive, Lutana, West Moonah, Hobart, Lindisfarne, Claremont, North Hobart, Kingston, Sorell, Old Beach

Contact us today- 4one4 Property Co Specialise in:

Residential property sales, Property leasing, Property management, Rural sales, Land development, House and land packages, Free rental valuations, Property appraisals

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They have jumped out of the gates with all engines firing and had a super successful start to their first 4one4 foray into helping people on their property journey.

The questions you need to answer before going to market and a framework to help keep you focussed

We all want Minimising time on market, maximising interest

First Understand what is in your control vs out of control

Our of your control - The Market, The Location

In your control:

Presentation
Promotion
Process
Person
Price

December is a great opportunity to work on your presentation:

What do you focus on? Ask this, are you fixing a question or a but?

People ask questions primarily because of maintenance concerns - if that's wrong, what else is wrong - like pulling a string

A but, is a characteristic about the home they don't like, location, orientation that you may or may not be able to change.

'I love the open plan, but I'd need to change the kitchen.'

To address a question is about protecting your value - in addressing buts you can  either enhance the value or overcapitalise which is investing more time, energy, and money than you will realistically get back upon selling.

What is important is to know your goals, where you want to go, when you want to leave and what do you need to get there.

With those 3 questions laid out we then start working backwards in what is worth doing.

Listen in as they discuss how Aaron has found his first year working within the real estate industry- Aaron discusses all he as learnt across his journey, along with how he has just come off a weekend of hosting 4 Open Homes. Not too bad for someone just getting his start in the industry.

This week the team are joined once again by their most frequented contributor to the Podcast, Simon Pressley of Propertyology. 

Listen in as Simon discusses the strength of the Hobart Marketplace and how buyer mood, buyer capacity, and competition at the coalface will continue to push things forward for those in Tasmania.

Transcript coming soon

Find out a story about the mysterious lost pilot episode recording before Aaron quizzes Pat and John on their Property Pod knowledge- play along and see how you fair!

Stick around till the end to see if the boys get their letter from the queen- and without spoiling it, there may just be some cake involved!

Join Patrick and John as they talk with Byron Munson, CEO of Climagap, as the team at 4one4 Property Co begin their journey to Carbon Neutrality.

Carbon offsetting is one way a business can start it’s carbon neutral journey, become net zero or even climate positive. 
However, choosing offsets as part of your company’s climate action can feel complicated. Byron is here to help; and his passion is very evident in this discussion.

Suz and Aaron are joined on the mics this week with Helena from Hello White Residential + Commercial Interiors.

Check them out at:

https://www.facebook.com/hellowhiteinteriors/
or
https://www.hellowhite.com.au/

The fresh launch approach to styling is relaxed + friendly - they see styling as a tool to empower a house to become a home. 
Styling allows the personality of a home to shine by creating a sense of depth + ambience.

Listen in to this fantastic chat with some wonderful people.

Learn about how Laura got herself into the industry, how she jumped at the opportunity to team up with Superstar Sales Agent Suz Wilthsire and how she is faster around the Speedway in a NASCAR than her husband.

Welcome to the team Laura and thanks for joining us on the Property Pod.

One of those lifelong connections is Laura Gunn, who works side by side everyday with Suz; Find out the genesis of this remarkable working relationship and come along for the ride as we delve deeper into the world of Suz Wiltshire and Laura Gunn

Mixing things up this week, John has hijacked the mics and is having an in depth discussion about a recent Real Estate Institute of Australia - REIA report on Housing Affordability.

You can also head over to our Blog to find an in depth break down of the report:

https://www.4one4realestate.com.au/2021/09/housing-and-rental-affordability-decline-in-tassie/

The boys sure have some fun with their 'Sponsorship', so jump on board this week, jump on board the MKH x 4one4 Property Co Property Pod!!!!

Transcript of “Hobart Ferry Trial”

Episode: | EP91
Show Title: | Hobart Ferry Trial
Cast: | Aaron Horne, Patrick Berry, & John McGregor
Show Length: | 24 minutes 44 seconds

Patrick: Exactly! Just use the things you have, people, which already exist. [laughter]

John: Yeah, that's the whole plan for the next city: use what you got! [laughter]

[intro music]

Going once... going twice... SOLD! You're listening to The Property Pod!

Aaron: All right, gang. It's your rough and tumble, ready to roll, MKH Contracting-sponsored podcast, The Property Pod. I'm your host, Aaron Horne and I'm joined, as always, by MKH Contracting-wearing superstar, Patrick Berry.

Patrick: Hey, everyone! How's it going? 

Aaron: And I don't know if John got the memo, but John is also wearing some contracting gear today…

John: Unfortunately, I didn't have any MKH gear because I'm still waiting for my MKH Contracting gear. 

Patrick: Don't worry, it'll be in the mail.

John: I'm looking forward to getting my MKH Contracting gear... [laughter]

Aaron: I feel like the dream is you start a podcast and all you want is somebody out there to listen be like, "jeez, I wish they'd talk about me on that podcast"

Patrick: Yeah yeah!

Aaron: "I'm gonna send them some stuff." [laughter] 

Patrick: And if you do…

John: MKH Contracting... we we wear it [laughter]

John: All I could think of is that scene from Wayne's World where he's wearing the full Reebok and he's going, "it's like people only do things because they get paid and that's really sad, you know" [laughter]

Aaron: Totally agree, but shout out to Pat's good mates at MKH Contracting! They have provided us with some very very nice attire here...they also do a really good job at moving dirt [laughter] and what they do, but they also make some nice clothes [laughter]

John: As it turns out…

Aaron: So, Pat, tell us all about the sponsorship you've got us. 

Patrick: Oh well, so far I've hooked us up with one hoodie and one t-shirt...you know, we're really rising up here at The Property Pod, so I'm pumped about that…

John: I don't get anything that's a good start, as far as I'm concerned.

Patrick: Well, I'll just share my mine then... [laughter]

Aaron: The tricky bit is for everyone out there listening, if you heard last week, Pat mentioned his friends, Marcus and Kirsten, they like to listen to us as they go to sleep. So, we said, "Oh, maybe we're boring and we don't keep them interested." But now they're gonna be so interested they won't be able to sleep; they'll be jumping up in bed just thinking like, "yes, we're famous for all their listeners!" [laughter]

Patrick: All 35…

Aaron: No, look... I'll shout out that Sam last week on the show, all his people out there in his greater world, our show went gangbusters out there…

Patrick: I'll tell you what it did all the way up to Bernie, I saw we had comments from people up there and like man, Sam has got some serious connections out there. So exciting to see what he can do.

Aaron: Yeah no, it was a really really good episode with Sam talking on the show last week and it was really really well received from a few people reaching out and saying, "fix up his hair"

John: Yeah! [laughter]

Aaron: We will work on that as we get deeper into his 4one4 career.

Patrick: Well, no doubt. He'll be listening to this week's episode while he's up at Derby riding down the trails, probably have those headphones in and just…

John: I could just imagine, maybe we've got a six months, you know... a six month hair update.

Patrick: I want to know how he keeps that hair so good under that helmet of his…

Aaron: Well, can I say I don't know he'll listen to this and I want to see if he comes back, but can I say as I was editing the podcast together, he had this real Harvey Specter kind of look about him, you know, suits the TV show. You guys watch that?

John: Yeah yeah... 

Aaron: Yeah, I just like... if you catch him in the right angle, I think there's a little Harvey Specter going on there so hopefully, he's good at wheeling his deal…

Patrick: I was gonna say, Harvey gets the job done so, you know, fingers crossed he has the same traits. [laughter]

Aaron: Indeed. All right, enough banter for this morning, let's jump straight into some of our show. We're planning to talk a bit about the community of Tasmania at the moment. I thought we'd cover off on the Ferry, the latest trial there, talk a little bit about the weather that came in and did a bit of damage, and then I think talk about Kingston and the pool down there. Ariane Titmus got us all excited about swimming here in Tassie, so we could cover up on a few of those topics.

John: And if we've got time to the...

Patrick: I have no time for whatever topic you're bringing up... [laughter]

John: Well, it's the real estate specific one ... [laughter]

Patrick: Baby, you know we don't have time, we don't have time. What are you gonna do?

Aaron: Here's what it is... we're construction boys now. [the two agree]

Patrick: We just know about diggers, excavators, and bobcats.

John: I can see some waterproofing still stuck on these pants. [laughter] 

John: I know what I'm doing... [laughter]

Aaron: Yeah, baby. [laughter]

Aaron: So, first thing I wanted to cover off today... we'll get to the real estate stuff, John. Thank you for bringing that up, but um…

John: Okay, I like the idea of talking about the weather, th...

Episode: | EP90
Show Title: | Allwright, Allwright, Allwright
Cast: | Aaron Horne, Patrick Berry, & John McGregor
Guest: | Sam Allwright
Show Length: | 22 minutes 08 seconds

Sam: And obviously, real estate provided opportunities to work with people a lot more closely--a lot more relationships, but then at the same time, it gives me flexibility during the week: picking up the daughter, doing a little bit of work from home, a little bit out, you give a bit more on the Saturdays, be a little bit back during the week…

[intro music]

Going once... going twice... SOLD! You're listening to The Property Pod!

Aaron: All right, all right, all right. Welcome to The Property Pod, your weekly engagement into a fun and entertaining show all about real estate here in the Hobart marketplace. [laughter]

John: You better believe it. 

Aaron: You better believe it. Trying out new intros is pretty tricky, I'm your host, Aaron Horne. I'm joined as always by Patricia Berry and Jonathan McGregor 

John: Well, let's face it. If commanding pauses can be difficult sometimes, but it's worth practicing

Aaron: Yeah, I pulled it off all right, can I get that?

John: Yeah, I totally agree.

Aaron: Yeah no, look. Shout out to everybody that's listening along. You heard our Olympic intros the other week, here we are with something brand new. Pat's claimed that we can't do the same one every week. I think it's good for continuity, Pat thought…

Patrick: I just thought I'd change it up, you know, we've got 80 episodes now, just felt a bit repetitive.

Aaron: 80 mate, 90.

Patrick: Oh [ __ ]

John: How many hours did you work out?

Aaron: I was lying in bed last night. I was trying to nut out how many times we've done this, like you could essentially listen to The Property Pod for two days straight... [laughter] 

Patrick: Look. Speaking of people going to bed, I did find for my friends this week Marcus and Kirsten, who are probably be listening right now, that they enjoy the soulful sounds of us sleeping at nighttime [laughter] so I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but shout out to you, guys, while you lay there trying to go to sleep tonight.

John: Welcome to The Property Pod…

Aaron: I couldn't work out whether that was a really good thing or a really bad thing, like it was so boring that we put people to sleep or are we so soothing, those soulful terms, the focal tones are just like, "I really like crawling asleep" [John agrees] we can flip it either way. You guys are in sales, so you can flip it however you want…

Patrick: Hey, I'm just excited someone's listening so I'll take it. [laughter]

Aaron: Well, shout out to all our listeners out there! We had a really good response to last week's episode and I feel like we're gonna have a really good response to this week's episode. So this week, we've brought in a special guest and it's someone that you might get to know a bit more moving forward with The Property Pod and with 4one4 Property Co. Today, we are bringing in a brand new team member, a new guy that is joining the 4one4 family, we're bringing in Sam Allwright!

Sam: Cheers! Good Morning, everybody! How are you?

Aaron: Very well. Thanks for joining us on The Property Pod and thanks for joining us here in the 4one4 family.

Sam: I'm excited with this. It's getting very interesting. I love all the gear, I love all the tech... 

Aaron: Yeah, there's nothing like joining a new company and then and coming and saying, "hey, just jump on camera and tell us your life story, so that we can like check you" like this is the interview actually. 

Sam: I'm just being very careful I don't break anything. [laughter] I do have a history of breaking items. Anything expensive, keep it away from me. [laughter]

Aaron: Well, speaking of history, can you give all the listeners out there a little history in yourself, kind of a little flash into who Sam Allwright is? 

Sam: Sure! Very very roughly, I've been in real estate for probably about 12 months, been in sales though I suppose you'd say for probably over 20 years. So, I've been dealing with a lot of clients, with government customers, print houses that sort of stuff, so I've had a lot of dealings with people back to front, but then I suppose, outside of that, I've dealt a lot to do with cooking, mountain biking, motor vehicles, car racing, motorbikes 

Aaron: So your activities, man, you'll have a little bit of extreme sports out there in the...

Sam: Oh, 100%! Most of the reason I probably got into sales, so I could actually work while talking about cars. It's probably a bit of a selfish thing, you get to talk about the things that you like with the people that you like. It makes my life so much more fun, I suppose.

Aaron: It might sound like a silly thing, but real estate not cars was ever there…

Sam: I did dabble a little bit in cars a long time ago, but it is difficult to deal with the fast cars and the expensive ones all the time. [laughter] [John agrees] which is where my heart is.

John: Yeah, gotcha. Is it sort of a very different environment of selling too like where you work cars versus real estate? Has that been an interesting transition?

Sam: Yeah, cars was a long time ago that when I was much younger, but yeah, it's very much sitting in a small confined space where here in real estate, you get to get out and actually physically make people in their own homes, much more of what they're doing, you get to make a lot more lasting friendships because you're dealing with them over two to three months, right? Rather than one or two interactions in an office…

John: Yeah and out again, now you did mention that cooking was a thing. Does that mean that you're the one who's doing most the bulk of the cooking at home? what's the story?

Sam: It's me doing the bulk of the cooking at home, 100% say that. I do love my partner, but cooking is not one of her strong shoots. She has many, [John agrees] she will listen to this, she has many lovely... [laughter] but cooking's not one of them...

John: So we can talk about all our good traits and none of our flaws... [laughter]

Sam: Please don't edit that out [laughter]

Sam: But yeah, look. Cooking, somethin...

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Transcript of National Property Managers Appreciation Day

Episode: | EP87
Show Title: | National Property Managers Appreciation Day
Cast: | Aaron Horne, Patrick Berry & John McGregor
Guest | Abbey Berry
Show Length: | 25 minutes 20 seconds

Abbey: But so many of our owners were so generous in the rent reductions that they would give to their tenants and that was just really heartening to see that there really are still a lot of people out there prepared to do good.

[intro music]

Going once... going twice... SOLD! You're listening to The Property Pod!

Aaron: All right, guys! Welcome back to The Property Pod, your weekly engagement here into real estate in the Hobart marketplace. I'm your host, Aaron Horne, and as you can see from my lips moving, I'm the only one in the room that hasn't been to mainland Australia in the past a little period. Just moving around the room from a visual point of view for everyone out there watching, you'll see that we have a masked up team here in the pod studio. I'm joined, as always, by John McGregor 

John: Hey, how are you?

Aaron: How are you, mate?

John: Doing good. I feel really...I feel it's almost like "V for Vendetta" style where I'll just have to be... you can't see my facial expressions so just be deadpan for the entire bloody hell entire episode. [laughter]

Aaron: Yes, we'll have to do a lot of eye communicating; talk with your eyes on this one, buddy and Pat, how are you, my friend? 

Patrick: I'm over this mask, but I'm doing my part.

Aaron: No look, it's it's one of those little things where we  

here in Tassie, being really lucky with the COVID restrictions and things that have been bestowed upon us, so yeah, if you guys have to do a a little bit of mask wearing in the office because you've visited... it's finally y'all went to Victoria on the same weekend for different reasons, but you just happen to be there and then you come back you're like: "ah... we've got a directive that we need to wear our masks''

Patrick: Yeah, it was supposed to end last night but they've just extended it to Friday so a couple more days of this beautiful thing.

Aaron: That's all right. It's nice to see you guys going around. I actually think Shredder more than I think V for Vendetta. I kind of feel like ninja pedals.

John: You know, I take back my previous statement and I'm going to go with yours Aaron: Speaking of Friday, jumping straight into things that are coming up this week other than the masks being removed--oh it's almost like the "Masked Singer" as well, you know that TV... [laughter]

Aaron: Lots going on! Speaking of Friday coming up, it's a day I didn't know existed. I don't think it existed before... last year, we'll have to check off with some facts, but it's actually National Property Manager's Day

Patrick: Yes, it is.

Aaron: So who wants to jump in and tell us about National Property Managers Day?

Patrick: I'll jump in as. So you are correct. It only started last year during the first outbreak of the pandemic and it really came about because of all of the legislation that changed and the hard work that a lot of the property managers had to go through last year sort of navigating tenants and landlords and trying to, in commercial properties, trying to make sure everyone was able to stay afloat. So RIE New South Wales (REINSW) obviously brought it in.  

Aaron: Yeah, that was where I was reading off. It was kind of the REINSW which is a mouthful; we've got the nice REIT that's easy to roll off the tongue. I'm sure they're used to saying REINSW [laughter] but I read that they started off this year and then all the other institutes around Australia are kind of picking it up this year. A lot of them are jumping on boards and yeah, REIT are jumping on board, as well as 4one4!

Patrick: Yeah, so we see it as a good opportunity just to recognise some of our staff and the work that they do, because let's face it, the property management job is a hard job [everyone agrees]

John: It is. It goes to show that I'll be the way in which we do business and interact just completely changed in an instant and so many people were just as a result of that change, so many laws changed, so many expectations changed, so many responsibilities changed, and with that then, the roles of real estate agents have actually, as far as I'm concerned, you know concern and become even more important as these roles you know, this is the world changes because we're the means to help people connect to get to where they need to be in amongst all this chaos [Aaron: indeed] and I think the property managers had to deal with people in probably the most stressful situation that on a blanket scale because all of a sudden, there was so much uncertainty and there are the ones that had to bear the brunt of being able to give certainty to our clients as well as landlords and tenants and guide them through that extreme situation--they did a phenomenal job. 

Patrick: Yeah, and that's why this year, we thought we'd get on board with National Property Managers Day and celebrate it a bit this week [Aaron agrees] so we thought we'd start off by getting my wife, Abbey, in. 

Aaron: Welcome to The Property Pod, Miss Abbey Berry! 

Patrick: First thing I'm mostly excited about is this will be the first episode she's ever listened to because she's in the room with us and she has no choice [laughter]

Aaron: I was going to say, "you think she'll listen back after it?"

Patrick: I don't think so [laughter] 

Abbey: I don't know you tried to trick me in the car the other day and put an episode [laughter]

Patrick: Don't touch…

Aaron: No, thank you so much for coming in. I think we're up to episode 87 and then I'm happy to know that 87 of those have not been listened to by yourself, [laughter] but we do appreciate you coming in and being a part of the show for us. 

Abbey: Thanks for having me! Finally, after 87 episodes... [laughter] 

John: Oh yeah, there it is…

Aaron: So, Abbey, for all those people out there that are not aware, Pat doesn't just bring his wife to work every day. You don...

Transcript of Granny Flat Grant

Episode: | EP86
Show Title: | Granny Flat Grant
Cast: | Aaron Horne, Patrick Berry & John McGregor
Show Length: | 25 minutes 48 seconds

John: To build that granny flat, it actually quite... it could be potentially a very good financial move for a client, so the numbers stack up for sure.

[intro music]

Going once... going twice... SOLD! You're listening to The Property Pod!

Aaron: Okay, guys. Welcome back to The Property Pod, your weekly engagement into real estate here in the Hobart marketplace--I'm getting so good at this intro--my name is Aaron Horne. 

Patrick: I'm so glad you went there, because... [laughter]

Aaron: Absolutely! Yeah, thank you so much! Welcome back to The Property Pod. I'm your host, Aaron Horne, and I'm joined…

John: ... and he is crushing it [laughter]

Aaron: I'm on fire this morning, guys. It was freezing this morning, so when I woke up this morning to my son, I put on the "Hello, Google" and it said, "Welcome, Good Morning! It's minus one." You gotta love a minus one morning here in this brisk brisk state of Tasmania.

Patrick: It's so cold when I left home this morning. I got rid of the ice off the car with the old bucket of water, and started driving down Crosby road. Had to pull back over because the water had re-frozen [laughter] onto the front of the glass and then Parker and I had to drive back with no vision to get more water.

Aaron: I was doing the "Ace Ventura head out the window" trick, you know he drives with his head out of the window, yeah, so I was doing that one because I only have to cross two streets [laughter] I probably shouldn't say that in the company car [laughter] that I was driving somewhat, I'm...  

Patrick: Insurance claim... [laughter]

Aaron: No, the mercury dropped very very low but, Pat... well Pat, you're meant to be on the warmer side of the country.

Patrick: I was supposed to be in Queensland but here I am with you, boys, instead

John: Well, you're welcome! [laughter]

Patrick: Not sure if that's a good thing or not, but hey, I'll take it 

Aaron: Look, I think one positive of it was: you would have missed your daughter's dance recital this morning at the Stedeford's, had you been in Queensland…

John: Oh yeah

Patrick: That's true. [Aaron: you got to get there this morning...] instead, I got to watch dancing for a couple hours, but hey…

Aaron: Mate, you were beaming when you came back and you said that... 

Patrick: It was pretty funny [Aaron agrees] like, I don't think it was supposed to be funny, but it was. Kids are funny. 

John: I watched that movie "Little Miss Sunshine", a couple of nights ago and that great scene where you find out that the whole dance scene that her grandfather taught it was just an absolute abomination. I just... I love that scene, so you just made the whole... I'd love to go to a dance result or something like that where that happens.

Aaron: Well, it's not the same; it's in the movie, but you were describing a young girl who maybe just danced to the beat of her own drum...

Patrick: ...on stage and it didn't matter what everyone else was doing, she was going to do…

John: I love that! [laughter]

Patrick: That's very good [laughter]

Aaron: All right, let's jump into some real estate stuff today. We've got to get into it;

We've got a little bit to talk about. First up, there's this realestate.com report that's come out that... it's not quite in our realm, but it's in the rental realm of things you want to cover off on this, John?

John: So I think what's describing is that the amount of views that's coming through the website for rental properties in Tasmania has just again continued to increase so…

Patrick: Yeah, crazy. I think they were saying 2,600 views per listing. 

John: Yeah, that's amazing!

Patrick: It's just silly [John agrees] like that's just unbelievable…

Aaron: I can't even fathom that that many people are looking at rental listings like here, there, and everywhere to just try…

Patrick: And there appears to be a lot of tenants moving around a moment. We've had a few lease breaks take place at the moment and I follow a couple of Facebook pages like rental towers and a few others, and there's a lot of people that seem to be just finishing up in a lease where they're at and and moving into something else [John: moving sideways] yeah and I don't know if they're doing that to try get a cheaper rent or if they're doing it because it doesn't fit their needs anymore, but yeah, just a bit of movement around at the moment, but the market's still really strong. This shows that--like 2,600 views per property. That's a lot of people...

John: 100 percent! When that's just like straight activity and more so to that, it's unlikely where you'll have, say in a real estate--in a sales transaction, you just got a lot of people sticky baking. It's not as common we find that you're going to be sticky peeking just at other rental properties.

Aaron: Yes, that seems more like out of necessity than out of kind of: "I just want to have a window shop through what could potentially be"

John: Yeah yeah, exactly right…

Patrick: Yeah, but this stat here: it's the highest number in Australia. So, out of all of the entire country, people looking here the most for rentals. But it's up by 72.4%.

John: That's insane! 

Patrick: It just shows how many people are seeing Tasmania as an option and maybe, they can't buy at the moment, so they have to rent because they move back to the state and there's no stock for sale like there's a heap of different reasons why maybe the rental market is still just booming along.

Aaron: I think out of this report as well, it had something to do with Hobart being again top three cities and it's still seen affordable as from the mainland perspective--from the perspective of I can afford to look into that market. [John agrees] Again, we're in that position where there's not a lot of stock on...

Episode: | EP85
Show Topic: | Tax Tips for Property Investors
Cast: | Aaron Horne, Patrick Berry & John McGregor
Show Length: | 20-30 Minutes
Date/time: | 30/06/2021 @ 8:45am 
Location: | 4one4 Real Estate - 414 Main Road, Glenorchy

End of the financial year: 30th of June
Start date on processing of 2020-21 tax returns: 7th of July

In March 2020, Australian Taxation Office (ATO) Commissioner Chris Jordan revealed that an audit of property investors found errors in just shy of nine out of every ten returns reviewed.According to the ATO’s website, among the common errors made by rental property owners “that concern us” were:
(1) Claiming deductions for properties that are not genuinely available for rent,
(2) Claiming deductions for loan interest expenses when a portion of the loan was used for private purposes
(3) Incorrect categorisation of capital works and capital allowances
(4) Not having records to substantiate income received and deductions claimed
(5) Incorrectly apportioned claims for interest deductions

Tax Return Details: A tax return is a form you complete online, on paper or get a tax agent to help you with, that tells (1) how much money (income) you earn and (2) if you are claiming any deductions.

This information is used to check if you: (1) have paid enough tax or too much, (2) need to pay the Medicare levy or surcharge, (3) can get any tax offsets (for example, the low and middle income tax offsets).

If you pay more tax than you need to, ATO will refund the extra amount to you (this is known as a tax refund). If you don't pay enough tax then you may receive a tax bill.Reasons to Lodge Your Tax Return:had any tax taken out (withheld) from income you receivehad $1 or more of foreign incomeare a liable or recipient parent under a child support assessmenthad business or investment incomeare leaving Australia and have a study or training support loan

Some Important Points: “Residential property investors can claim a range of expenses, just as long as they have appropriate documentation and receipts”

Deductible expenses:
- interest on the mortgage
- property management fees - repairs and maintenance
- providing renovations/ enhancing the property

“If you did have a tenant that was unable to pay you for a length of time, then you’re likely to have a much bigger tax write off.”
(For more information, especially on the detailed processes, advise the listeners to visit www.ato.gov.au)

The status of your property can determine your tax concessions
- Before you file your taxes, understand the status of the properties in your portfolio.
- If you’re not currently renting your property to anyone, ask yourself – is your property available for rent? As this can impact how tax affects it.

Make sure all repairs, improvements, and construction costs are recorded properly- Keep a track of all the expenses and investments you’ve made on each of your properties, as these may allow for some tax dedications.- you can claim a 2.5% deduction of the construction costs for 40 years from the date when the construction was completed-if you paid for initial repair after purchasing a property or had to fix damages that resulted from renting out your property, you can claim deductions for the cost.
Take note of your capital gains and losses- Your capital gains or capital losses refer to the difference in dollar value between when you bought and improved a property to what you receive upon selling that property. (these can affect your deductions)
-If you make a capital gain, you must include the gain in the income year that it was acquired. On the other hand, a capital loss can be carried forward and be deducted from capital gains in later years.

Organise your records
-Whether you’re a buyer, an owner, or a seller, keeping your documents organised during the entire year instead of trying to source them all when tax time approaches can be stressful, and you may even miss some. -Try scanning all transaction receipts so you could keep them in one place
Ask for an expert’s help-The first person to start with is a quality tax accountant as they can provide more specific advice that’s suited to your circumstances and financial goals.

Front of house/facade

- ensure all cars and trailers are removed from the driveway and park them out of sight instead
- keep the lawns mowed and the pathway cleaned
- remove all unnecessary items
- keep your windows neat

Kitchen and Dining Area
- declutter the area and empty the kitchen benches to make your place look larger
- remove everyday items such as dish racks, tea towels, rubbish bins, pet bowls, and the like
- put distracting things off the fridge like magnets, bills, kids’ artwork, etc
- add a large fruit bowl or a bunch of fresh flowers in the area

Lounge and Living Areas
- clear away all DVDs, TV Guides, magazines, and remote control
- keep the coffee table clear from any unnecessary items, but a few good books will add up to the aesthetics
-  remove throw rugs and couch covers for a neat and comfortable atmosphere

Bedrooms
- ensure that the beds are neatly made with new bedsheets, blankets, and pillow cases
- make it look organised
- remove irrelevant items in the rooms such as personal things in the bed side table, or posters from the wall

Bathrooms/Ensuite
- ditch those personal things in the shower area
-  tidy up your vanity and make sure everything’s in order
- Remove clothes hampers, bath mats, rubbish bins, and other insignificant items
-  display fresh matching towels
- ensure that the shower screen and the mirror is clean
- put down the toilet seat

BBQ area and Backyard
- keep it clean and free from any trash and wilted leaves
- kids’ toys, gardening tools, dog kennels, and pet toys aren’t necessary for the photos
- take the garbage and recycle bins away
- make sure that the BBQ area is clean and leaf-free
- remove the BBQ cover and open up the umbrellas

General Items
- ensure that all blinds all throughout your house are open and at the same height
- check if all lighting globes are working
- replace white globes with yellow ones
- make sure that all hanging furniture, photos, and wall arts are aligned accordingly

Transcript of Ready, Set, Shoot: A Conversation about Your Home Preparation

Episode: | EP84
Show Title: | Ready, Set, Shoot: A Conversation about Your Home Preparation
Cast: | Aaron Horne, Patrick Berry & John McGregor
Show Length: | 26 minutes 57 seconds

Patrick: Well, that it was always supposed to be an event for Tasmanians.  [Aaron agrees] In a kind of weird way, it was kind of cool that it was…

Aaron: We finally had a chance to lock it down and be like,  "oh, this is our event"

[intro music]

Going once... going twice... SOLD! You're listening to The Property Pod!

Aaron: Alright, guys! Welcome back to The Property Pod, your weekly engagement here into real estate in the Hobart Marketplace.I'm your host,  Aaron Horne, and I'm joined by our 4one4 Property Co. Sales Agents, Directors, all of the above: Patrick Berry and John McGregor.

John: Gentlemen!

Patrick: Oh, that's like a wrestling intro…

Aaron: Yeah, I've done one of those before and I got quite excited this morning. I'm a few too many coffees deep at the moment, but yeah, we're getting there. It's a cold cold morning

Aaron: Actually, [John: it is frosting] [__] of recording, let it be noticed, the Winter Solstice

John: Oh right!

Aaron: All those people were nude down at the long beach in Sandy Bay [John reacts] jumping in that water

Patrick: So, that's why you're late to work this morning as?

Aaron: Well, yeah, funnily enough, I've been working on a blog post or we've been working on blog post about how much we love Dark MOFO here and at the end, it's like: "oh no, it always capped off with the people jumping in the water," none of us have ever done it--not once. No way, jose.

John: I don't know if I really wanted to be. I mean, I've done nudie runs and swims the beach, I don't know if I need that to my tick box, if that makes sense. I don't know.

Patrick: I reckon John in these 70s, is down there with the red cap [laughter] they're still doing it 

Aaron: It's amazing, I love Dark MOFO. Dark MOFO is one of my favorite festivals. It's amazing that so many people, especially Tasmanians, are out in force in the coldest part of winter. It's literally always over the the longest day of the winter solstice is when we have our shortest day, sorry, I've said the wrong way around.

Patrick: Longest night, longest night.  

Aaron: There, yeah, thank you very much for the for the save. But just to see so many people out and about in Hobart this year, obviously, a little bit different with Victoria kind of being locked out of the state, because I think we read a stat that said or 65 percent of the tickets sold are normally interstate people, so only like 45 percent of people that go to the events generally, are out of status. This year, kind of, you know, there was a block on lots of people coming, so it's really been Tassie people, Tasmanians out in force driving this event this year.

Patrick: Yeah, I think I also heard like the curators of the event were saying as well that it was always supposed to be an event for Tasmanians, in a kind of weird way, it was kind of cool that it was…

Aaron: We finally had a chance to lock it down and be like, "oh, this is our event for our day," but look, it's amazing it's a world-class event that is held in our backyard in the time of year when nobody normally goes outside.

John: Oh, without a question.

Aaron: You bunk it down; you hibernate. We do have really really cold temperatures here, there's frost on the car, this morning, people are out in the nut jumping in the water all for the sake of art  

Patrick: I think what was really cool is it just brings the city to life. The life like the amount of people that are out over the weekend was just huge. There were people everywhere like lines to get into nearly every event that was on. It was just fantastic to see.

John: Well and like, like you said, people with lines everywhere, but yeah, from... like from, through the city part where they're called Dark Town, wasn't it? Then all the way through into Salamanca as well, where there are other elements was unbelievable.

Aaron: It's just amazing also to see kind of the re-imagining of spaces that you've been to and kind of just looking at them with a different light, like I heard you discussing with someone how the street lights were turned off next to the odeon, and it just completely changed the vibe of the stream and look...

Patrick: Before...

Transcript of Setting the Stage: A Conversation about Home Staging

Episode: | E83
Show Title: | Setting the Stage: A Conversation about Home Staging
Cast: | Aaron Horne, Patrick Berry & John McGregor
Show Length: | 27 minutes 38 seconds

Aaron: Let's just go straight into it. You can either do it with putting real furniture into the space or you can do it in a computer and you can do a virtual digital space.

Aaron: All right, guys! Welcome back to The Property Pod, your weekly engagement here into real estate in the Hobart marketplace. I'm your host, Aaron Horne, and I'm joined as always by our two real estate agents, Patrick Berry and John McGregor. Good Morning, boys!

Patrick: Good morning, Aaron! Now I noticed in your intro you said weekly, but we haven't actually done weekly the last couple of weeks.

Aaron: You're killing me. So, actually I've had a few people reach out and be like, "what's up with the pod?" "where's the pod been?" "what's happening?"

Patrick: Creative differences? [laughter]

Aaron: The crazy thing is we had such a successful episode leading into it, so we've had a two week hiatus kind of like we've gone on tour as… as a band. It's been like, we've had a hit... 

Patrick: ...it's time take a break

Aaron: It's time to take a break  [laughter] No, so we had a cracking episode with Tom coming in, talking from Ingenuity Power Solutions. We did actually record another episode. Well, we recorded a video for another episode, however, the audio did not get recorded which is all on me, I apologize.

Patrick: And then to compound issues, when we went to re-record, our entire studio decided to stop working.

Aaron: Yes, I want to get a rig. So, it's funny I've listened to so many podcasts where they talk about these kind of technical issues that plague them and I'm just like,

we've been pretty good in our 82 episodes, so far, never an issue until last, well, we've had issues but we've never really gone this deep into a full system crash, but it's really nice that people have been reaching out and saying like, "hey, where's the pod?"

John: "what are you doing?"

Aaron: Yeah, like is that it, "are you done?" "did you just finish on a...?" [laughter]

Aaron: No, we didn't.

John: It's rare that we've actually, when we've had a break, we're cold, we're having a break. It's just a break, it happens. And then we come back and say, "we're back!"

Aaron: Yeah, so, we are back! We're sorry that we were away; it's great to be back. We've got some great stuff to talk about today but yes, shout out to all those people that have missed The Property Pod. It's nice to be missed and we are back, ready to go with our ghetto rig, so what's been happening?

John: Well, the... I suppose... [laughter]

Patrick: ...not a lot, apparently. During headlights, John?

John: Well, I mean one of the... at the moment, there's a lot of talk in the market where there's still a lot of lack of available stock being available to buy, so it's sort of a moment now where you, there is the potential to be what you could say, a little bit easy, sort of take advantage of the fact that there's so much demand that you don't make the extra effort in getting your situation house prepared to its best, to get the best outcome for yourself. [Aaron: yeah, for sure.] So, I think when what Niño did for us was he found a, what was it, a survey done by the National Association of Realtors now just give perspective on that that's like our Real Estate Institute of Australia, but more so on [Aaron: the ground global level] now on the US level 

Patrick: which is basically global, we met a lot of agents over there

John: You've been average, like and how many there's like a hundred thousand agents attend to those conferences or something crazy?

Patrick: Yeah, some of the big ones are up around those sort of numbers. The one I went to was a lot smaller than that. I think it was about 10 000 people, but still, compare that to 2000 at a conference here, it was... 

Aaron: You still felt like a little fish in a big pond yeah and that was ticket sales, on top of that, then there's just people that go and just hang out [John: yeah, exactly]  they don't actually attend the conference they just network outside the conference  

John: Well, and that's what's so good about that, though, is the volume of numbers with this particular survey where they spoke and reached out to buyers about the idea of presentation and the fact that it just proved that the buyers will engage better with better photos, better presentation, styled properties, etc. So, I think it's a good one that Niño prepared the notes for us, for us just to have another conversation again around making that, why making the effort makes a difference regardless of whatever market you're in.

Aaron: Yeah, most definitely. Like, I think the key stat that he's pulled out straight away is that 89% of buyers just go straight to the photos So 89% of people are just going looking through, your window shopping through the photos, rather than actually kind of reading all this text that goes into it.

Patrick: Nothing's really changed there, like now, people scroll through photos on the internet. You know, back when my old man and your old man were doing it, John, people would walk past all the real estate offices and look at the photo in the window. Yeah well, so the same thing applies, the photo is what draws you in, like and then from there, you explore more.

Aaron: Well, it's like eating at a restaurant. Don't they say that you eat with your eyes first? You kind of, if it looks good, you'll then dive deep into it.

John: Yeah, like you're sitting there, you see a couple having another food--a meal on the other table, you're like, "I'll have that, please".

Patrick: I'm glad you do that , John, because so often, I'll go like I have a couple of friends and we we were touring Tassie at the moment having parmies, like everywhere we go. We're doing a party tour and I'll often see and scope the room "has anyone had a parme? I need to know, is it worth ordering here?"

Aaron: Did you say the parme up at Derby? Where did you say was the best parmy you've had in a long time?

Patrick: I...

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Transcript of An Energy Efficient Future (with Tom Green of Engenuity Power Solutions)

Episode: | E82
Show Title: | An Energy Efficient Future
Cast: | Aaron Horne & John McGregor
Guest: | Tom Green
Show Length: | 31 minutes 33 seconds

Tom: In Tasmania, to generate power, it's around 230 to 250 grams of carbon for every unit of energy that we use.

[intro music]

Going once... going twice... SOLD! You're listening to The Property Pod!

Aaron: All right, guys. Welcome back to The Property Pod, your weekly engagement into real estate here in the Hobart marketplace. I'm your host, Aaron Horne, and I'm joined by only one of the team members today, John McGregor.

John: Oh, everyone. It's tragic. [laughter]

Aaron: It's all right, mate... it's all right. We don't have our [uh] our captain, [um] Patrick Berry. He's actually off in Sydney with his son. He was competing in the national BMX trials or something like that across the weekend, we should have known. [John: yeah yeah] 

John: Did you see that dumb photo he sent back to where the kid just looked like he did a straight up street fighter kick to the guy's neck? [laughs]

Aaron: I did see that, yeah, so they were at this national event. They normally do events down here in Hobart [um] but yeah, this was his first national and that photo was like yeah it looked like a full 'Mortal Combat' move [John: yeah... yeah] and [um] I was like, "I see your son does this every weekend", he's like, "oh yeah he's really good"

John: Yeah, hats off to those young kids, though, because he said they all just got straight back on the bike and kept racing 

Aaron: Most definitely... most definitely. So, yeah... so Pat's away--it's actually unfortunate that he's away today [um] I think he'd really really be into today's topic and today's guest is kind of really trying to push that environmental approach here at the office and going paperless and going carbon-free and…

John: ...it's like as much as you can [Aaron: yeah] but even then, like there's always a limitation on what you can research yourself, so it's always, you know, being able to find an expert to bring in and go well. Did you know that this could happen? you know…

Aaron: Yes, yeah indeed. So today, we've brought in an expert--someone that we've known for years. We're actually crossing off, as we haven't close before how we... how we knew each other and turns out me and [uh] the guest lived on the same street [John: yeah (laughs)] 

Aaron: That was news to me today, so yeah.

John: I'm pretty pumped because we've got an old name of ours, [uh] Tom Green from Ingenuity Power Solutions.

Tom: Thanks for having me, gentlemen. 

John: Yeah, welcome!

Aaron: Not a problem, my friend. Welcome to the show! Thanks for coming in... thanks for coming in on a [uh] on a bright early morning. It's [uh] it's really good to see you!

Tom: Beautiful drive down from the north of the state this morning, so…

Aaron: I did want to check. Did you drive this morning or did you...? 

Tom: I did

Aaron: So, what time were you up to? What time were you up to come...?

Tom: Out of bed at about ten to five this morning... [the other two react and laugh]

Aaron: We told you we're not that professional. We could have done this [John laughs] way later in the day. [John: yeah yeah!] 

Tom: It's good--good excuse to get out of bed.

John: I think, sometimes, doing these, though, first thing's good, because your mind's not completely focused during work. It's hard to sort of shift gears between starting something, shifting gears, and then back into it. [Tom: Absolutely!]

Aaron: So let's jump straight into your business. You're a startup-- you've kind of just got off the ground in January you were saying, can you... can you give us some scope on [um] on what you... what you're doing out there?

Tom: Yeah look, fundamentally, [um] I guess I'm an Electrician by Trade, Electrical Contractor, also with an engineering degree, so I guess we're a little bit hybrid in what we do and how we do things [um] so I guess the premise of our business is, I guess, finding what we like to call a future-proof solution through energy efficiency and I guess, the added benefits of that [um] obviously, the bottom line, and to become cheaper [John: absolutely] every unit of energy that we use obviously produces carbon, so there's that environmental impact that we're trying to offset [uh] through, I guess, the technologies and the u[m] implementation of different strategies.

John: Yeah, most definitely. So just jumping from kind of, "I was an electrician" and then "I got an engineering degree" kind of... it's a very interesting [um] kind of leap you know, the stereotype will be you either choose a trade or higher education, many sensors, but then you've integrated both, [Tom: yeah, absolutely] so that's serious... serious amount of work there, mate.

Tom: A little bit of a hybrid approach to, I guess, my education in the [uh] moved away to western Australia, moving into year 11 and 12. [Aaron: yep] [um] finished year 11 in WA and then shipped back to Tassie. [um] The education system is convoluted as we all probably know, and I sort of missed the bite, "would have to have done year 11 again blah blah blah", so i gotta trade  [John:

All these things seem pretty easy to understand if you do it all do everyday, but for the first home buyer who has never signed on the dotted line before, What do these things actually mean? And what conversations should you be having when it comes to Contract Conditions when buying a home?

Transcript of Conversations about Contract Conditions

Episode: | E81
Show Title: | Conversations about Contract Conditions
Cast: | Aaron Horne, Patrick Berry & John McGregor
Show Length: | 23 minutes 19 seconds

Patrick: If a building inspection comes back bad, it doesn't mean the deal is dead. It just means that we've got conversations to have and see where we can go with them. Sometimes, they pan out and sometimes, we can keep moving forward; sometimes, they don't, and that's the reality of a contract. 

[intro music]

Going once... going twice... SOLD! You're listening to The Property Pod!

Aaron: All right, guys! Welcome back to The Property Pod, your weekly engagement into real estate here in the Hobart marketplace. I am your host, Aaron Horne, and I'm joined--as always--by real estate agents here at 4one4 Property Co, Patrick Berry and John McGregor.

Patrick: Boy, we are glad to be here 

John: Good Morning, gentlemen!

Aaron: How are we today, boys? oh i know he's had some really [John: smooth] good intros lately.

John: Actually, well not good, mate. No, it looks like the soreness is slowly coming to an end now after the [uh] weekend fun run. Although fun's such a loose term for charity races [laughter] 

Aaron: Yes [uh] for anyone out there, you may have seen online, but [uh] many of our staff members competed well, i say "competed" but perhaps "participated" is a better [uh] term for it.

Patrick: "survived" is another word [laughter] we'd like to use in the office.

Aaron: I can take "survived" [uh] in the 2021 RACT City to Casino Fun Run [John: yeah]  

Aaron: I saw that you competed in or you participated in the 11 kilometer Run, John.

John: Oh yeah! I did exceptionally well. I came dead last in my age group. [laughter] yeah, which is because of some great numbers here.

Patrick: John, at what point did you realize: "shoot, 11 kilometers is a long way"?

John: Oh, [stutters] it was painful when uh my knee gave out and I started having to walk, but it really came to head though when [um] I-- because obviously, they've got the--they're bringing up the rear police car and an ambulance and when I saw that in the side of my back and I thought: "Oh no! I've made a terrible mistake"

Aaron: So, how far into the race were you when [um] your knee gave out?

John: oh we're so... [Patrick:  Bunning's traffic lights]

John: Yeah, at the beginning, well I see that the best part was the start, because I was at the front line so I was number one for about... less than a second, but after that, it was great. Well, I must have got I don't know, because you start at the [yeah] at Bunning's then get up through to Canalian Bay. So once you get--once I got past Canalian Bay then back onto the highway, leading running getting to the bridge, that's when I decided I was just like: "no, something's not right here; something's not right"

Aaron: So, did you do much [um] prep before leading up to it? Did you go to the gym, John 2.0? Did you show back up to prepare?

John: I thought about the race a lot, pretty much. [laughter] 

Patrick: It's a mental game.

John: Pretty much the day before like oh [ __ ] I'm still going to buy some running gear  [laughter]

Aaron: I knew that would exactly be John's training regime, like from day one, him and Aaron Murray, his little off-sider, had [uh] said: "Oh yeah. We're gonna challenge each other to do it" which I'm actually really surprised Aaron did sub five minute kilometers [the two agree] on average as well on zero training as well, so it just shows that youth [uh] "youth" has got us, because yeah we're old [John: yeah yeah] 

John: Just like these 30--these 34-year-old knees just couldn't compete with the 21-year-old 

Aaron: Just [um] just to jump ship a little bit speaking, I don't want to say old "old", but I'm just going to [um] throw out to one of our older listeners out there--one of our favorite listeners. I've just got a little bit of audio that I've brought along. She just wanted to say thank you to you, guys, so just hold, one second.

[audio]

Hello, fellas! I really appreciated the little mention I got about being at home, knitting beanies, but actually I was in hospital having a procedure and I wished that I was with the young girl that's on the yacht in the Caribbean, but i am now safely home and I'm into my chore of knitting Aaron a beanie, so thank you for the mention. Appreciated!

Patrick: [laughs] I love that 

Aaron: Yep, so that was Nan out there. She [uh] yeah she had a rough week last week, but she still was in the hospital listening along to The Property Pod

Patrick: Yeah, absolutely! Probably get a spike next week now she's spruced it to all the nurses and doctors and patients

Aaron: Well, she actually had to have one of those [um] MRI things, you know, where you go into the tunnels and she said that they put on like Robbie Williams [um] and the headphones there, but she would have much preferred to hear us talking to keep her--make her feel safe. She's like, "I'll never do that again; I don't want to go back into that tunnel" [John: Oh wow!]

Aaron: So, she said it would have been nicer to have our voices so what a lovely [uh] sentiment from Nan. [John: 100 percent, yeah!]

Aaron: And yes, I'm sure if you could be on her super yacht [um] Megan would have you for sure, but shout out to you yes [uh] yeah, very nice! Great, love it! All right, so let's jump into some real estate stuff which we [uh] meant to talk about when we come in here. Yeah yeah yeah yeah... 

Aaron: I actually was speaking to a guy about a podcast last night I've told you about pickleball before, but yeah, I was crossing over with this guy who works [uh] somewhat in the industry and I said: "Oh, I've got this podcast. Be interesting to have you...

What do you think? Buy New or Upscale the Old?

Transcript of Renovating For Your Future

Episode: | SE3EP80
Show Title: | Renovating For Your Future
Cast: | Aaron Horne, Patrick Berry & John McGregor
Show Length: | 21 minutes 47 seconds

Patrick: If you can pick some of those bigger items and find a way to make them happen then that'll help you grow the equity to do the smaller items throughout the whole house 

[intro music]

Going once... going twice... SOLD! You're listening to The Property Pod!

Aaron: All right, guys! Welcome back to The Property Pod! Your weekly engagement here into real estate in the Hobart Marketplace. I'm your host, Aaron Horne, and I'm joined-- as always--by our two real estate agents: John McGregor [John: That is me!] [laughter] and Patrick Berry!

Aaron: Bit excited this morning, John?

John: No, is this the way you pause, as it was like: "present" [laughter] 

Patrick: Aaron's getting his old school teacher back then [laughter] 

Aaron: Yes, we are all here in the room and we're all very excited to be back with The Property Pod.Whether you're listening on a super yacht in the French Riviera or you're a nun listening in your chair knitting beanies for your grandson, we are here for you. 

John: Wow, that works perfectly.

Patrick: I like the reach you've got these days. 

John: I was pretty happy with that.

Aaron: I was lying in bed last night thinking about that one just kind of been like, how can i reach out to our two biggest fans? We've got Megan in [um] France and then nun sitting around.

Patrick: I apologize, Simon. I know you love to walk the dogs on a Sunday morning and listen to the pod, so my shout out is to you.

Aaron: Oh, nice! Actually we got a really good feedback for last week's episode from Simon. says [John: Yeah!] he was tracking along-- [Patrick: walking the dogs to the cafe and wanted to reach out and say: Congratulations to your dad, Chris. He really enjoyed listening to the show.]  

John: [Uh] that was actually really nice to hear. Hey, we had a few comments like that, too. I think people are actually surprised by the depth of dad's experience [um] because he's always fun to joke around; he's been good at his job. But, you know, it does stretch back a lot further than probably people appreciate but it's really nice for Simon to say that actually. 

Aaron: Even as you went into like all the stuff in the very long-winded intro that you read out which i did like Pat's joke at the end he's like all right that's the end of the episode [laughter] we're all done. But as we've gone through that, I was just kind of like: oh man! he's like had his finger in so many pies across so long and is really really engaged in the real estate industry so yeah it was very very interesting listen [uh] having your dad on and I did wonder you went to Adelaide for the weekend with the whole family [John agrees] Were you overshadowed by his celebrity now that he [uh] like there was Luke? [Patrick: he's been on the pod] 

Aaron: Yeah, now he's been on the pod, did you just feel like?

John: Let's just say, he's brought back a fur coat. [laughter]

Aaron: All right, boys. [uh] That's enough chit chat for this morning. Let's jump into a very well-

researched show. [the two agree] so just a shout out to our-- we actually have a new staff member on board who's helping out with the pod and helping out with all things content across the 4one4 Property  Co.We've kind of been promising for ages on the pod that we wanted to kind of be an information hub--a place where people can come and find all the stuff they need to know and we want to really help [um] grow everyone's kind of knowledge based on all things real estate. We're not here to be gatekeepers of information; we're here to kind of share it, so Niño has come on board and is absolutely killing it in [um] the research department and kind of helping us with blog posts, helping us with our social media and yeah absolute--

Patrick: We've got big plans for Niño. He's going to help us with, like Aaron said, blog posts, researching our podcast each week, but he's also going to help us put some Buyer Guide books together and some educational suburb books based around, you know, what it's like to live in a suburb, what demographic it is, and it's a wealth of info, so we really want to build a catalogue of just information to really help people better understand the property market.

John: Yeah,  absolutely! And I think, another reason why I'm excited about, is that that's his job at the moment like just create content, research, you know, provide and then reach out and obviously, in the meantime he's reaching out to us as well and get content, you know, ideas from their agents and everyone in our office as well, which is cool. 

Aaron: Yeah, it's one of those things where it's something we've always wanted to be doing, but we've just kind of had time constraints and found it too difficult. Yeah, we found a way to make this work and so it's very exciting.

John: Welcome, Niño, as our official copywriter! [the other two agree] absolutely and the most comprehensive useful notes we've ever had on the pod.

Patrick: Yeah, we're not actually guessing  this week

John: We've got notes. [laughter] so look out! [laughter]

Aaron: All right! So, let's jump into this first article here that [um] he's put it together.

Basically, what we wanted to focus on today was [um] was kind of renovating and first homebuyers, so jumping into the marketplace and kind of knowing not to stretch beyond your means, i guess would be a really good way of summing it up straight away

Patrick: I think, [um] Aaron, you're a prime example of this before it actually became a trend. 

Aaron: Yeah, look. I was trendy before--way before my time... [laughter] I've been cool since way back when. [laughter] 

Patrick: Yeah, I remember in high school, very cool! [laughter] 

Aaron: Thank you very much!

John: It's funny because it's true. Tell us about your story, like what was the genesis to start thinking about that to begin with?  

Aaron: Yeah, it's actually kind of ties in really well with [um] one of th...

Transcript of Tales of a Real Estate Veteran
(with Chris McGregor)

Episode: | E79
Show Title: | Tales of a Real Estate Veteran
Cast: | Aaron Horne, Patrick Berry & John McGregor
Guest: | Chris McGregor
Show Length: | 31 minutes 49 seconds

Chris: I got the opportunity to get into real estate, I didn't--I didn't get through the first interview, a school teacher beat me, [Aaron: okay] and after the school teacher was in that position for three weeks, but there's not enough money in this, they got out and they rang me back up because again, subject to have a second chance, and i said: "give me a chance, I'll prove I can do it" and [um] I broke the office record for the first month.

[intro music]  

Going once... going twice... SOLD!

You're listening to The Property Pod!

Aaron:   All right, guys! Welcome back to The Property Pod, your weekly engagement into real estate here in the Hobart marketplace. I'm your host, Aaron Horne, and I'm joined, as always, by real estate agents Patrick Berry and John McGregor.

Patrick: Hey, how's it going? 

John: Hey, gentlemen and Happy Birthday for yesterday of the day this recording, Mr. Horne!

Aaron: Much appreciated! Yeah, I had a... had a wonderful day yesterday--spoiled by my loved ones especially Sarah and Jack, yeah, made me feel very special, so... 

John: Did you say, you went on a bike ride? That was quite--

Aaron: We did...we did. It was quite challenging, I [um] before Sarah's birthday, I got her a bike and it was just kind of a marketplace, we'll just get a bike, we'll see if we--if Jack likes it personally and then we'll go from there [um] but then, for my birthday, she got me a bike seat... for Jack to sit on, because we couldn't use them, because we were like "oh we need to get a babysitter; that's way too much organization, we'll just jump straight into [um] like, getting a babysitter". He loved it--he had the best time, so yeah, he raced along the [uh] the bike track to smiling and giggling and we got to Valhalla Ice Cream and treated ourselves there.

John: Right, all the way to Valhalla, in the back of a mighty steed, is it…

Aaron: I said something like that, [John laughs] we're writing about the Valhalla.

Patrick: We [um] used to have one of those bike trailers, and I remember once I was tying queen up the hill near the cenotaph there, and the bike track like came unclipped from the back of it, and then I rolled down the hill of the highway there, all the cars [laughter]

Aaron: Oh wow, yeah. Okay, no, we saw a bike trying--[Patrick: to see it's good, yeah so it's connected to the bike all the time (laughter)] it's very good

Aaron: Yeah, nice. So we had a wonderful day there, we went to the Tassie, and after that, and had some dinner with the family so yeah, I got very very spoiled on my birthday so shout out, for I appreciate the the love from everybody [somebody: that's awesome] before, well speaking of love, that's actually a really good segue, yeah [um] I would love for you to introduce today's guest because [uh] I think you'd be probably the most equipped at [uh] at the show, John, to introduce today's guest on The Property Pod.

John: Yeah, what's funny with this bike seat, I remember one of my earliest happiest memories was on the back of the bike seat actually, as a kid, so it's very very relevant, but I suppose there was... when I was thinking it through [um] it was actually worth mapping out [um] sort of the--I suppose, who this person is you could say [Aaron: yep!] just to give context of why it's relevant to The Property Pod, specifically, [um] so it's something we put together a long time ago, so I'm going to read it, but I'll do my best to-- [Aaron: yeah, go for it] but yeah, so it just says: so, when it comes to the concept of giving back, there aren't too many agents around Australia that have dedicated their career to not only being a competent operator, but have taken the time to do more than just build a successful business. For over 35 years, he has shared his knowledge to mentor countless new agents and volunteered his time to numerous boards and charity organizations in order to lift the credibility of the industry and its positive involvement with the community. He joined the real estate industry in 1986 and as a salesperson, he was the number one salesperson in the state for multiple years. In 1994, he became the Managing Director of first national real estate--admit the name--of which he and his wife ran for 26 years. While being part of the first national real estate network, he served on the National Board of Directors for four years as well as being the Tasmanian president. He is the longest-serving member of the board--on the board of the Real Estate Institute of Tasmania (REIT). The REIT, starting in 1989, and was elected State President from 1998 to 2000. He also served on the Real Estate Institute of Australia (REIA) board from 2004 to 2010 as the Deputy President of the REIA in 2009 to 2010. [um] To this day, he remains an REIT trainer, helping teach the new members coming into the industry. He was also a past National Australian President for FIABCI which is the French acronym for the international real estate federation based in Paris. He is a fellow of the Real Estate Institute of Australia, fellow of the Australian Institute of [uh] sorry, fellow of the Australian Marketing Institute and CPM, fellow of the Australian Institute of Management, and a fellow of the Australian Institute of Company Directors. He has been a member of the National Association of Realtors of Global Business and Alliances Group - USA and an honorary member of the SBAOR Global Real Estate Committee - California, USA. He served as an REIA National Awards Judge for Excellence since 2006, and is also a FIABCI pre-de Excellence International Awards judge from 2012. In 2009, he was the recipient of the prestigious John Gregg trophy for services to the real estate industry and at the September 2013, REIT awards night, held in West Point, he was awarded the life membership of the Real Estate Institute of Tasmania (REIT) which is the highest honor that the REIT can bestow. Welcome to my father, Chris McGregor!

Chris: Thank you, John. 

Patrick: Welcome, Chris!

Aaron: Wowsers trousers! What an intro! I don't know if we've ever had anything like that on the show, but [uh] yeah, welcome to the show, Chris and um yeah…

Patrick: Thanks for coming. Unfortunately, we've run out of time forward to actually [laughter] interviewing you, because John's intro was so long, but it was good [laughter]

Aaron: Yeah, what an interesting, ki...

Transcript of 'Suburbs that are More Affordable to Buy In than Rent'

Podcast Episode: Suburbs that are More Affordable to Buy In than Rent

Speakers: Aaron Horne, Patrick Berry & John McGregor

TRT: 26 mins 47 secs

Aaron: The idea of some suburbs that it’s actually cheaper to buy and pay off your mortgage in rather than actually [um] find a rent.

[intro music]  Going once, going twice! Sold… you’re listening to The Property Pod!

Aaron: Alright, guys! Welcome back to The Property Pod, your weekly engagement into the real estate here in the Hobart Marketplace. I’m Aaron Horne, I’m joined at the desk--as always--by Patrick Berry and John McGregor.

[casual greeting sounds]

Aaron: I just want to put it out that they were trying something new there today you won’t hear it in the audio format, but… what we’re trying to do is get our live setup going.

Patrick: Yes, so we’re getting a little bit closer to changing the show up and going live each week which is going to be exciting.

Aaron: Yeah, it’s been a dream for a while. We’ve been trying to sort it out. I’m just trying to nut out this kind of crossing in between people so in the video format. I’m on screen at the moment,, but I’ve just got to work out when you guys are gonna talk and know if I hit the right button.

John: Yeah, it’s not a means that you’re sitting there, just nothing, but pushing the buttons all the time.

Aaron: Well, it feels like I’m playing “Mortal Kombat” or something, where I’m kind of hitting all the buttons and just being like geez, I hope I get a combo--

[everyone laughs]

Aaron: So, it’s pretty interesting, but we’ll get there…we’ll get there [the other two agree] Things are working out all right, I’m just looking up, if you see me looking up, I’m looking up to the skies, to the gods of technology. We have invested in some stuff and we’re trying to move forward with it--I’m pretty excited with this, boys!

John: It really does look cool. It really does look cool. 

Aaron: Yeah, so now, look, it’s the future of The Property Pod, thank you for coming along this far with us and we’ll see how we go moving forward--yeah this is harder than I thought.

[everyone laughs]

Aaron: The idea of talking and hitting the buttons at the same time maybe is a little harder than we anticipated

John: Oh, man! It’s kind of like...[stutters] if ever I’m learning a new song, will be the chords, you know how to play it, and then you trying to sing and then just nothing [stutters] comes to fruition.

Aaron: Yeah, well something will come to fruition, it’ll just be lots of jumps all over the place, but that’s all right, we’ll get into some property stuff. Before we do, though, I just wanted to cover off John McGregor. You were caught in the wild on the weekend.

John: [in exciting voice] Oh yes, yes! So… it was quite… quite funny actually, because normally, I suppose [uh] I remember there was a story my brother Luke had once where he was sitting with [um] Sean Mcauliffe, and of course, Sean, I suppose, has been a celebrity for a long time, so he’s used to people coming up and asking for their photos, but obviously, Luke had just hit the point where people were recognizing him because he was sitting, having a drink or dinner with Sean Mcauliffe and then this person is coming and saying “Oh hey! I’m such a big fan! Can I get a photo?” and so Luke’s gotten ready to [you know] grab the phone, but then, Sean’s got ready for the photo and they’re like “Can you hold my phone, please?” Oh so they’ve got my car left and past the calf to get the phone because they didn’t know who the hell he was

[everyone laughs]

Aaron: Well. I’m not talking about your brother here. [John: No no no] This is a story all about you. This is you’ve been spotted in the wild as property pod.

John: Yeah, I was [uh] I actually had a fan [stutters] of our show come up to us suddenly. That was amazing! She was such a cool chick, too. Yes, I’m a big fan--

Aaron: I’ve actually mentioned her on the podcast before. I don’t know if I’ve told you this story, Pat, but [um] Saturday morning--oh no, Sunday morning! I got this photo. It’s John Mack with [um] a friend of mine and she’s like: “I saw John in the public, I saw him at the park [the other two laugh] I just had to go and tell him how much I love The Property Pod”. But, I said he’ll love that like--[accidentally coughs].

John: And the beauty of going live is we have to deal with things like this--

Aaron: --or the beauty of going live is I’ve never had a glitch [the other two laugh] one time I’ve decided to go for it. No, so Megan [uh] has been a long time listener on the show--big big fan [um] I’ve mentioned her before, she bought a place on pretty road and she did it up and kind of this tiny beautiful quaint little cottage and [yeah, no] so, it’s amazing she loves The Property Pod. She’s other than none, probably number one biggest fan.

Patrick: It’s funny you say that because I was also doing a valuation this week [unintentionally coughs] Now, I’m getting the calls far out [slightly laughs] and when I was doing valuation, the guys actually moved over from Melbourne to be able to help all the valuation load that is down here to try to clear the books for this agency--

John: --because there’s so many properties--

Patrick: --getting going under the contract and so there’s too many valuations that need to be done and we got talking about Simon Presley in the marketplace and the podcast came up and he was like: “Oh what’s its name?” and I told him it’s Property Pod, he’s like I’ve been listening to that in Melbourne for ages and he started referencing different shows where we had John’s brother on and all these different things--

[the other two react]

Patrick: Man, people do actually listen to us talk rubbish

Aaron: Oh yeah, I can get you the stats like yeah, no people listen out there, we’re not just doing this for, but we do say it’s lots of fun but people are listening [everyone laughs] It’s not just our names.

John: [stutters] well, I have to say, you know, thanks--big big thanks for coming to say hello like [uh] because I felt really chuffed you know. It was [it was] a real honor to [um] just [just] say hey, you know, “big fan! Love the work!” [um] and then if your friend was like “oh, you know what’s this about?” and then she’s like--she put onto it and shut her up...

Tassie Real Estate On Top of the World

1. Capital growth rates over 20-years ending December 2020
    
   • Sydney             6.6% 
2. 
   
   • Brisbane           6.8%
3.  
   • Melbourne       7.3%
4.  
   • Burnie              7.3%
5.  
   • Launceston       7.9%
6.  
   • Hobart 8.3%
7.  
8. Australian real estate is currently booming. But the biggest ever boom occurred during 5-years ending 2005
    
   • 128 out of 183 = 100%+
9.  
   • Sydney             57%
10.  
    • Melbourne       67%
11.  
    • Brisbane           118%
12.  
    • Burnie              121% 
13. 
    
    • Launceston       143% 
14. 
    
    • Hobart              147%
15.  
16. Population growth over last 5-years, compared to capital growth 
    • Brisbane           10.5% / 12%
    • Sydney             8.7% / 15%
    • Melbourne       12.1% / 21%
    • Burnie              1.1% / 30%
    • Launceston       3% / 40%
    • Hobart              7.3% / 48%
17. Australia’s biggest cities have increased their living style density. Construction of new houses vs apartments over last 10-years
     
    • Canberra          72%
18.  
    • Sydney             66%
19.  
    • Melb, Bris, Darwin 50%
20.  
    • Hobart              17%
21.  
    • Launceston       28%
22.  

5.     Financial performance (capital growth) of houses versus apartments over last 10-years

• Syd                   80% / 67%
• Canb                 32% / 6%
• Melb                48% / 28%
• Bris                   19% / 1%
• Hobart              47% / 44%
• Launceston       40% / 30%
• Wangaratta houses did better than Sydney apartments

6.     Australians are increasingly attracted to regional living, as opposed to capital cities

• AUS capitals had a combined population DECLINE of 133,905 over 5-years ending Sept 2020
• Tassie internal migration over last financial years
   
  • Clarence 2074
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  • Sorrel 1269
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  • Huon Valley 1071
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  • Latrobe 1050
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  • ** Hobart CC -1076
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  • ** Glenorchy -734
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  • ** Launceston-1029
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1. Australian real estate has a significant problem. Considerable bureaucracy over the last 5-years has created a widespread mobility crisis and a rental crisis. Here’s a snapshot of the last 5-years:
    
   • Population                    +1.85 million
2.  
   • Dwellings                      +958k
3.  
   • RE transactions             -17% (521k pa - 432k pa)
4.  

1. Volume of dwellings listed for sale over last 5-years:
    
   • AUS                  -27%
2.  
   • Syd                   +4%
3.  
   • Melb                +5%
4.  
   • Bris                   -14%
5.  
   • Hobart              -59%
6.  
   • Launceston       -57%
7.  
   • Burnie              -68%
8.  
9. Rental vacancy change over last 5-years:
    
   • 136 of 150 AUST largest towns vacancy rate <1.5%
10.  
    • Feb2016 - Feb2021
       
      • AUS 
    • 
      
      • Syd       9.5k to 24.8k dwellings (vacancy rate from 1.5% to 3.3%)
    •  
      • Mel      9.7k to 27.8k dwellings (1.9% to 4.5%)
    •  
      • Hob      239 to 194 dwellings (0.9% to 0.6%)
    •  
      • Laun     314 to 146 dwellings (1.9% to 0.8%)
    •  
      • Burnie 198 to 17 dwellings (1.8% to 0.1%)
    •  
11. 
    
12. Job advertisements (since Feb2020)
     
    • Total capitals    +9.7%
13.  
    • Total regions     +72.4%
14.  
    • Sydney             -3%
15.  
    • Melbourne       +2%
16.  
    • Brisbane           +23%
17.  
    • Hobart              +54%
18.  
    • Launceston       +76%
19.  
    • Burnie              +73%
20.  

In the houses category, this included 

Herdsmans Cove, West Hobart and Dodges Ferry at 11 days 
plus Midway Point at 12 days.

In the units sector, 
Brighton was the fastest at eight days, 
followed by Moonah at 10, and Oakdowns, Glenorchy and Bellerive at 12.

Of the suburbs on the fast list, the largest changes in annual median price were:
Dodges Ferry (22.6 per cent growth), Glenorchy (17.7 per cent) Oakdowns (16.9 per cent).

West Hobart has the highest median at $750,000, followed by Seven Mile ($611,000) and Midway Point ($500,000)
Real Estate Institute of Tasmania president Mandy Welling said with such a mix of suburbs making the fast list, the simple explanation for the pace was the “limited supply of property for sale”.

“The decision-making timeline for many buyers is cut seriously short as many have missed out and are hopeful of not missing out yet again.
“Therefore, they make their decisions much quicker than they would under different circumstances.”

Mandy said seven days on the market was “quite the accolade for this wonderful suburb”.
“Seven Mile Beach was closely followed by Brighton, which has proven to be a first-home buyer sanctuary and wonderful for investors with solid returns.

“Services and schools are another attraction to this ‘family friendly’ location.”

Mandy described Midway Point, Glenorchy, Bellerive and Oakdowns at 12 days as “an incredible figure for these suburbs”.
“It’s a testament to Tasmania; our resilience, quality of product and lifestyle.”

Australia’s fastest selling suburbs revealed, No.1 is in Hobart - https://bit.ly/2PDlxlD

All right guys welcome back to The Property Pod your weekly engagement into the real estate industry here in Hobart, Tasmania
i'm your host Aaron Horne and i'm joined by our 4one4 Property Co Real Estate Agents... had to take a breath there... Patrick Berry and John McGregor breath was worth it because it came through nice and clear excited to be back excited to be back
yes apologies to all our loyal listeners
out there we uh
we got so close to recording last week
and then i've just got to admit that
i had a i was going to say panic attack
but it wasn't a panic attack
yeah vertigo yeah well that looked like
a panic attack i suppose it felt like
i was here in the room when you're
watching you just go down like was just
strange yeah i thought i was gonna faint
i got everything was spinning and i've
kind of i'm still
only just kind of coming through the
throws of it now and yeah i've had um
sebastian my my other employee as my
personal driver all week
he's been dropping me home and the only
thing i don't understand is though
why are you sitting in the back seat
well every day yeah you're like
chauffeuring around like just because
you're sick you can still sit out the
front
i've been giving him star reviews
conversation today
for
yeah last week we we were in the studio
as the vertigo hit and yeah no it's a
so anyone out there that's experienced
it and if i wasn't um
sympathetic to your spiraling well just
i felt you now and it is rough
man that's weird so yeah didn't you say
you just like costly off balance
oh yeah it's like it's kind of like say
sickness to it's all this inner ear
stuff but the
very first throws of it was literally i
thought i was going to faint and the
whole
we're in not the biggest room here but
the whole room was spinning and
yeah it's basically your brain trying to
correct um an inner ear kind of that's
crazy balance well i'm
super pumped you're able to push through
this week as and we're glad to have you
back it's good to be back good to be
back i know that in my
absence you guys were kind of uh just i
thought actually
there might be a secret episode that
came out without me no we were excited
we're out of here we talked for 20
minutes and then
everyone else thought we'd done the
podcast because we'll go on for so long
but we didn't
we didn't know how to hit record your
dad came in before
i was looking he's like he's like man
there's a lot of things for you to
control here
welcome to the command center don't
touch it
um you guys were listening to a uh a
hack
article or you're driving home and
you've text out said oh this is quite
interesting
yeah some last week was going to be our
topic last week um because it was
happened on the tuesday night i had an
article about house partying for
young people um on hack which obviously
sparked my interest straight away
definitely so i sat in the car and
waited for the episode to finish because
i got home and i was like
yeah we have a radio inside but gotta go
find it and turn it on so
it's funny because when like a good
song's on you'll do that thing like i'm
going to sit in the car and wait
i'll do a lap oh john doesn't like to
sit still keep driving
keep driving fair enough yeah keep going
yeah and they um
we're talking about how different
softwares have come into the market to
help you
buy a home on a bidding process so as
most people would know the
australian marketplace is quite busy at
the moment and most people are sort of
fighting each other to secure a home
yeah
and so all these different softwares are
popped up and we thought it'd be a good
thing to talk about this yeah because
this is right in your wheelhouse like
you're kind of the king of the app the
king of
technology that will i am but at the
same time i don't know if it's something
that would work relatively well in the
hobart market because we don't have the
volume of people
but i could see it working very well on
the mainland and why it's become very
popular when you guys were talking about
it before just as i was listening
and setting up the studio it kind of
came across as like oh yeah this sounds
like yeah
melbourne auction kind of saturday
morning this is something you'd want to
be all over
whereas here i guess it's getting way
busier here with yeah a lot of people
trying to it's like everything
in a couple of years time it'll be
something that will probably be second
nature here as well but
uh like everything hobart just a little
bit slower than the rest of the
that's all right the country does sort
of do things there's nothing wrong with
that well
it is too with with the introduction of
them it's a fundamentally different way
of purchasing property too so
um it's a means that whether or not the
buyers are going to be excited to engage
in that process
um and also too for us it is a different
way of working so yeah so
it is you know a bit challenging as well
to break it down can you kind of go into
what some of these apps or what these
um options definitely so there's three
major players at the moment that appear
to be sort of
running the space they are john one was
open negotiation yep
and market buy and what was the third
one rezzo was the one
was the one on triple j that's one i
always forget about you were starting
with that one actually considering
that was the catalyst for all of us i
think reza looking here is real estate
sales online they've got a kind of a
blue and green
logo looks kind of fancy it's almost
like a little wi-fi logo
picture in there for anyone i could
probably pop it up on screen if i really
wanted to
be fancy but it says an online offer
acceptance and contract
management system allowing agents and
buyers to communicate online
yeah so one thing i really liked about
this one and the way i could see it
potentially working
is um especially here in hobart out of
the three that we're going to talk about
today this is the one where i think
would fit our marketplace the best
at the moment yeah because at the moment
we're doing a lot of um
multiple offers on properties but we're
doing them at an individual level so
we're going out meeting a client
writing up an offer and then we'll go to
the other buyer and we end up with a
situation where we sort of
we can't disclose to the other buyer
what each offer is
but um we need to make sure they're
aware that they need to put their best
foot forward and
so that's a legal issue that you guys
come across where it's kind of like a
confidentiality a bit of confidentiality
a bit of code of conduct
um with rashes there for a while didn't
we because in the in our
once once you get a license to obviously
you're agreeing to a code of conduct
through the
um uh yeah through with the reit
property agents called property agent
sporting those ones um so in that
there's a specific
it says do we will not disclose the
terms of other offers so
the so but then it's not expressly
written into the act but it's just
against our
real you know professional real estate
so it's kind of it's a difficult one
because it's a patrick dangerfield kind
of situation
yeah yeah exactly so for our code we
could risk of losing our license because
we're against our code but technically
it's not illegal
...

Patrick  0:24  
love it real estate game.

Aaron  0:26  
Yeah. Now I've gotten through the first bit that I always try so hard to do, because I've got it written down in front of me today. And then I was like, Oh, crap, I don't know what comes next. I'll get slowly but surely,

John  0:37  
I think game could be a good word for it. Because no one can feel that way.

Aaron  0:40  
I think I would normally say property market today, just now that the game is all about the guy

John  0:46  
that had to play the game or something like that.

Aaron  0:49  
It's good to be back again. This is our second one for the year. And I just want to say thank you to everybody out there that has jumped back on board or if you were first time listening last week, it's really good. We had had really good numbers last week, kind of after a break. Sometimes it takes a little water kind of you know, everyone to jump back on. But yeah, yeah, straight out the gate. Whoever subscribing and

Patrick  1:09  
others push notifications you find sensory.

Aaron  1:12  
Yeah, well, yeah. Thank you, for the people that have followed us in the past. And yeah, I think there's a there's actually a little bit of growth in 2021. So let's continue to kind of get jumping forward and we'll try not

Patrick  1:23  
to let you guys down this week then.

Aaron  1:24  
Yeah. I could have been like, yeah, I really enjoyed what I have to say.

John  1:31  
I feel like it's a process. Rob. Was that.

Aaron  1:35  
Was that your favourite guy? He's like, yeah, just the yodelling. Man.

Patrick  1:38  
Why did they play it once in a blue moon?

Aaron  1:40  
Because they want you to watch every week just in case? Yeah,

John  1:43  
yeah.

Aaron  1:45  
There's definitely method to their madness that actually, it'd be a sales technique for sure. Look,

John  1:49  
I went down a rabbit hole of watching Hey, hey, it's Saturday clips at this point. So I'm gonna have to go back and find the prices right at this point now for the

Aaron  1:56  
early May as only listen to something yesterday where I was saying that gogglebox TV shows way better if you watch like it from five years ago then rather than like the current ones, because they're just you basically watching the show. You've already watched, just having someone else watch it. That makes sense. But if you watch it from five years ago, it's kind of shows you forgot even existed. Yeah.

Patrick  2:14  
See, I'm kind of the opposite, because I don't watch freeway TV. So when I watch gogglebox don't happen on that stupid level. And it's funny. To me. The full week captured of TV, so I don't have to watch it during

Aaron  2:28  
the week. It's actually a pretty good point as well. Yeah. All right. I'll give you that. sighs Yes, there's many ways to watch gogglebox there's many ways to play the real estate guy.

John  2:36  
You heard Hey, first.

Aaron  2:41  
Alright guys, let's jump into some real estate stuff today. Well, we've got a bit on today. So we'll just kind of get in and a bit punchy. Let's talk about this moratorium. Yeah. When you've walked in, you said is over baby.

John  2:54  
Oh, well, that was the emergency legislation put on the tenancy act for COVID. And it felt because they had extension after extension. And it now candle full end on the first of February. Just

Aaron  3:06  
before we get any further, just treat me like the guy that does nothing. Yeah. You mentioned it. I'd heard the word I'd seen it come across the thing and I like listening in the offices. There's been this stuff that's come up, but can you explain it to the layman?

Patrick  3:20  
Yeah, sure. So it all started back in March last year.

This is looping codabar.

John  3:32  
virus.

Aaron  3:36  
pets, pets got the info.

Patrick  3:39  
And now you've ruined my train. No, seriously, back in March, the Tasmanian government put out this monitoring to help tenants ensure they felt safe while the unknown of everything that was happening in the world short, sharp. And as a result, we couldn't raise rents, we couldn't evict tenants if they stopped paying their rent. We had it was basically to ensure safe place of housing for people while the pandemic was at a high and with all the unknowns that were happening. Yeah, that sounds great. That sounds really kind of, and then it's sort of extended on and on. And on. And look, here in Tasmania, we're pretty lucky. And obviously a lot of people were able to get back to work. And yeah, it's sort of one of those things that it's good that it's been there to help tenants but as well has been a lot of burden for a lot of landlords that sort of a double edged sword. So depending on which side of the fence you're sitting on, some people are excited it ending some people are a bit worried that it hasn't ended. And look, you're never going to please everyone. It's just sort of one of those things, isn't it? Exactly.

John  4:39  
And I suppose with it gone now, the I mean, the key elements like I said that where there will be no increases in rent at all, and any notices to vacate that were issued, we're not to be taken effect till first of February. So even if, unless they're a cup that relaxed that for a couple of changes during it, but effectively everyone was locked in place. Or if they wanted to make any changes, the tenant could happily stay in the house till the first of February until that was to take effect. Okay, so we, I mean, there was one, it was an interesting couple of things that came out of it too, is that the real number of people that are adversely affected by the monetary side of, you know, needing to be able to apply for relaxation in the rent or cancellation, it ended up being an exceptionally small number that came out from our institute. So, which is a great thing, you know, you don't want anyone either You don't? Don't you don't want the news to be that more people than not adversely affected by it? Yes. I think one of the outward pressure that began where people were applying for extension was to say, look, there's no, there's little proof at this point to justify this continuing restrictive legislation. Sure, because I mean, for example, we had a property in England, okay, in this day are going to be coming on the market. Yeah. And unfortunately, this is a case where the owner was a private landlord, and the tenant did the absolute wrong thing, the place is an absolute nightmare of a property, but during this legislation will, hopefully was hoping to get out by September or something at the time, or I can't remember the date. Exactly. But as they extended it, well, then they got another free, you know, quarter of a year worth of rent, because the no notice to vacate could take effect, even though that you know, weren't paying rent, we're trashing the property. And there was just in order for the applications to apply would have taken too long anyway. So that was a bit, you know, a, you know, an example of a bad instance, where the landlord had to bear this bad responsibility with the restrictive legislation.

Aaron  6:36  
Yeah, so yeah, that's why I'm just havi...

EPISODE TRANSCRIPT // Transcribed by https://otter.ai (Artifcial Intelligence Transcription) 

Patrick Berry  0:13  

Hi everyone, Patrick Berry for 4one4 Property Co; and welcome to The Property Pod. 

Today we are flying solo without Aaron Horne. That's why I'm here on the mics enjoying the show. But I do have my regular guest, John McGregor here. Welcome, mate.

John McGregor  0:24  

Man, I'm not gonna give up this corner. This is my seat. Even if I'm sick, so I think look, who knows how it's gonna happen. We've got this though.

Patrick Berry  0:33  

Yeah. I’m a biit nervous?! I'm over here on the actual controls, working all these little dials and knobs and I'm gonna be honest, I don't have any idea what I'm doing.

John McGregor  0:40  

But you look impressive 

Patrick Berry  0:42  

I've got lots of flashy lights and pretty colours here. 

So yeah, just put them on. Yeah, someone take a photo because I look like I know what I'm doing.

 And as Aaron always says, fake it till you make it!!!. Yeah, exactly. 

… and because obviously I'm not sure if you guys want to listen to John and i talk for half an hour- we've managed to get another guest on the show. 

John McGregor  1:00  

Yeah, so its Jason from domain, isn't it? 

He was on the second episode we did- and he was our very first guest on the pod.

Patrick Berry  1:23  

Yeah, so today we are looking at how the market has fared, from a search result perspective and inquiry perspective, things like that. 

So yeah, I think hopefully, it'll give us a bit of an insight as to what has happened in 2020, as far as the market goes here in Tasmania and our local area; and with COVID and everything around that. So I’m kind of interested to see where Hobart sits.

John McGregor  1:41  

And I see, one thing that's really interesting about statistics is we're experiencing on a daily basis. And it's not until you've got that retrospective information that you can take and say,

Look, this is or what has been happening. So I'm actually really interested to see if what our stories are backed up by the data as well.

Patrick Berry  1:58  

What are you saying you make up your stories, John? Haha 

...Well, I guess John, and I could talk all day, but we should probably go to an ad and get Jason and he's out there in reception waiting for us. So let's do this.

John McGregor  2:23  

Well, welcome back everybody. 

And I'm very excited to bring back our very first guest from episode number two,Mr. Jason Swindon from Domain.com.au. Welcome back.

Jason Swinton  2:43  

Thanks, John. 

Thanks, Pat. 

Thank you for having me. 

Patrick Berry  2:46  

Oh, well, thank you for coming back. 

Obviously, we didn't scare you too hard the first time around. 

Jason Swinton  2:50  

No, no,

John McGregor  2:52  

I think we're a little bit more in control. 

And our voices seem a little bit more settled then on episode number two. 

But I mean, the good thing is, I think this time around, it's for the same stories and objects, you can really feel a seal on what things were like now versus 12 months ago is with all the statistics that the main economists have put together. Is that right?

Jason Swinton  3:08  

Yeah, look, pretty much, John, we got a few bits of information here just to talk about what's been happening in our local market and versus our statewide market this time last year, and this time this year, obviously, it's been a pretty big year for all of us. 

Patrick Berry  3:24  

I'm interested to hear how that's affected the industry. Obviously, we've felt like it's been pretty busy. But it'll be interesting to see the numbers

John McGregor  3:28  

Yeah. And I think everyone's got their own stories, too.

 And I think now it'd be interesting. 

Well, again, our Look, there's not enough property for sale, there's a lot more buyers. 

Jason Swinton  3:41  

Yeah, look,it's an interesting one, because listings themselves are down...there's not as much stock around as what we saw this time last year. 

So it's creating a bit of a supply and demand issue in most areas of Tasmania.

You know, just for you guys here locally, out here in that glenorchy and the Local Glenorchy Area. The listings themselves are down roughly around 6%. 

So not a huge amount, but when you break that down from a Tasmania statewide point of view, we're down roughly about 20% overall. 

Patrick Berry  4:07  

Oh, wow, that's a lot of properties across the entire state. 

John McGregor 4:10

Yeah, yeah. So that's obviously a sign that people aren't quite ready move they're just playing this year a little bit safe.

Jason Swinton  4:17  

Its an interesting one which we've tracked right through that kind of covid period you know, and we go back to March, April ,May when things really hit us and you know that the tap was turned off for a better expression. 

Yeah, and then kind of post that things are just started to slowly come back and you know, we're back to a market which a lot of people would say is, you know, back to the pre COVID or even better again, mostly, so yeah, it's been it's been a long year but it's moving into some pretty good signs as we come into Christmas in the new year.

John McGregor  4:45  

Well, I guess then when stock actually down 20% that's not exactly good news and purchases because of obviously fad exceptionally hard to find properties that suit them at the moment and I guess maybe some vendors are still going well, you know, I need this buyer to sell but I can't buy to sell because there's Nothing to buy in order for me to sell, you know, this is this, what someone's trying to get my head around. specifically to be silly, but effectively, you know, some people though they might be waiting, you know, waiting for things to settle a bit more or, you know that little bit tentative about putting on the market because they're afraid because there's, they're not going to have something to buy. So you know, someone's got to go first.

Jason Swinton  5:21  

Yeah, look at that. And that's the hard decision, I guess. You know, we look at all the information, we have all those stats that are there in front of us, and everything's pointing to that it is a good time to sell. Yeah, you know, listings are down. But our inquiries quite strong still, although the inquiries probably slightly different in terms of where it's been coming from comparison to where we were last year. It's, it's definitely more of it there. So very positive.