Melinda Eitzen sits down with mental health professional Jennifer Leister to discuss the critical role of a child specialist in collaborative divorce and how counseling-focused approaches can help families make more informed, child-centered decisions.

In this episode, they explore how child specialists gather insight directly from children, not to make decisions, but to help parents better understand their needs, concerns, and perspectives. From everyday worries like schedules and belongings to deeper concerns about family dynamics, the conversation highlights how early, thoughtful intervention can reduce stress, improve communication, and support healthier outcomes for the entire family.

About the Guest

Jennifer Leister is a Dallas-based mental health professional who works extensively in collaborative divorce as a child specialist and neutral mental health professional. Her practice focuses on supporting children, teens, and families navigating divorce, high-conflict dynamics, and major life transitions.

Jennifer specializes in forensic interviewing, parent coordination, reunification work, and counseling for children and families. She is known for her child-centered approach, helping parents better understand their children’s perspectives while maintaining a neutral, structured process that supports healthier decision-making.

To contact Jennifer, please visit:
www.jennifercounseling.com
www.meetmaxbooks.com

Key Takeaways About Counseling, Child Specialists & Divorce

● The Child Specialist Role Is Child-Focused: Child specialists gather information directly from children to help parents make informed decisions, without putting kids in the position of choosing sides.

● Counseling Principles Guide the Process: While not therapy, the role uses counseling-informed techniques to reduce anxiety, answer questions, and support children through change.

● Children Worry About Different Things Than Adults: Kids often focus on practical, everyday concerns like pets, schedules, and belongings, things that parents may overlook.

● It’s Not About Asking Kids Where They Want to Live: Ethical child specialists never ask children to choose between parents but instead explore feelings, preferences, and concerns.

● Short-Term Involvement, Long-Term Impact: The role is typically brief but provides valuable insight that can prevent future conflict and misunderstandings.

● Neutrality Protects the Process: Child specialists act as neutral professionals, bringing unbiased information back to the parents and the collaborative team.

● Early Intervention Reduces Stress: Providing children with age-appropriate information and a safe space to ask questions can significantly ease anxiety during divorce.

● Team Collaboration Improves Outcomes: Working alongside attorneys and mental health professionals ensures information is accurately communicated and efficiently used.

● Counseling Support Extends Beyond Divorce: The skills and insights gained through this process often help families communicate better long after the case is resolved.

Notable Quotes

“Children shouldn’t be put in the position of choosing, they should be given a voice, not a decision.”

“Kids worry about kid things—not always the things adults expect.”

“You are choosing divorce—the divorce is happening to your children.”

“Even healthy families can benefit from understanding what their kids are really thinking.”

“Sometimes just answering a child’s questions can relieve most of their stress.”

The conversation covers the common dynamic of one partner “leaning in” while the other is “leaning out,” and how discernment counseling helps couples decide whether to commit to working on the relationship or move toward separation.

They also discuss common drivers of divorce, including infidelity, financial conflict, and communication breakdowns, as well as the role mental health evaluations and addiction issues can play in family law cases. Ultimately, the episode highlights how counseling, honest reflection, and the right support systems can help individuals make healthier decisions for themselves and their families.

About the Guests

Dr. Paul Stanford and Dr. Jennifer Fast are licensed therapists and leaders at Stanford Couples Counseling, a multi-location counseling practice serving clients throughout the Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex. Their practice offers individual therapy, couples counseling, family therapy, group therapy, and psychological evaluations.

Dr. Stanford works extensively with couples and individuals navigating relationship conflict, major life transitions, and personal growth. Dr. Fast specializes in psychological evaluations, interpersonal trauma, mood disorders, and women's issues.

To inquiry with Dr. Stanford contact at paul@scctherapy.com or for Dr. Fast please contact  jennifer@stanfordcouplescounseling.com
Or their office at http://www.stanfordcouplescounseling.com/ and 972.841.1731

Key Takeaways About Counseling, Divorce & Relationship Health

● Discernment Counseling Helps Couples Decide: When one partner is “leaning in” and the other is “leaning out,” discernment counseling can help couples determine whether to work on the relationship or separate.

● Ignoring Red Flags Can Lead to Bigger Problems Later: Early warning signs in dating relationships often resurface years later in marriage conflicts.

● Infidelity Has Complex Causes: While some affairs stem from relationship breakdowns, research shows that sometimes infidelity results simply from opportunity and poor decision-making.

● Individual Counseling Can Support Couples Therapy: Personal therapy often helps individuals process emotions and communicate more effectively during relationship challenges.

● Mental Health Treatment Is Viewed Positively in Court: Judges typically respond well when individuals acknowledge mental health challenges and actively seek treatment.

● Personality Traits vs. Disorders: Many people show traits associated with certain personality styles, but a full personality disorder involves consistent dysfunction across multiple areas of life.

● Substance Abuse Is Increasingly Impacting Families: Alcohol, marijuana, and other substances can become a coping mechanism that ultimately damages relationships.

● Addiction Can Become the “Third Party” in a Marriage: When substance use dominates attention and behavior, it often takes priority over the relationship itself.

● Healthy Coping Tools Are Critical: Therapy helps individuals replace unhealthy coping mechanisms with healthier strategies that improve both personal wellbeing and relationships.

● Counseling Can Help People Evaluate Their Next Step: Even when someone is unsure about staying in a relationship, therapy can provide clarity and perspective.

Notable Quotes

“Sometimes one partner is leaning in and the other is leaning out, and that’s where discernment counseling can help.”

“I’ve never seen a relationship get better when only one person is working on it.”

“Most people tolerate a lot more at the beginning of a relationship than they probably should.”

“Addiction can become the third party in the marriage.”

“Judges respond positively when someone recognizes a problem and seeks treatment.”

“Healthy coping mechanisms can actually improve the problems instead of just masking them.”

Melinda Eitzen sits down with respected family law attorney Liz Porter to explore what “conscious uncoupling” really means in modern divorce. While the term suggests an amicable, efficient split, Liz explains that intention and action don’t always align.

They discuss how divorces can unintentionally escalate and how tone, transparency, and early strategy can significantly impact both cost and outcome.

Liz shares practical ways to reduce attorneys’ fees, including using neutral professionals, preparing thoroughly for mediation, and considering arbitration when court dockets are backed up. She also emphasizes the importance of advanced parenting plan preparation to manage expectations and prevent post-mediation disputes.

About the Guest

Liz Porter is a Texas family law attorney based in Dallas, representing clients throughout the Dallas–Fort Worth metroplex. To contact Liz, call at (214) 871-2727, email at liz@koonsfuller.com or visit Home | KoonsFuller

Key Takeaways About Conscious Uncoupling & Efficient Divorce

● “Conscious Uncoupling” Means Intentional Amicability: Most clients want to get through divorce efficiently and respectfully.

● Legal Fees Come From the Same Pot: In most divorces, attorneys’ fees are paid from the community estate. Prolonged fighting reduces what’s left to divide.

● Use Neutral Professionals: Joint appraisers, business valuators, and neutral experts can significantly reduce costs and prevent dueling reports.

● Prepare Before Mediation: Informal settlement conferences and exchanging draft parenting plans in advance increase the likelihood of settling efficiently.

● Detailed Parenting Plans Prevent Conflict: Preparing a full parenting plan early helps clients visualize outcomes, manage expectations, and avoid future disputes over vague terms.

● Arbitration Can Save Time: When court dockets are delayed, private arbitration offers privacy and scheduling control.

● Words Matter: Lawyer-to-lawyer and lawyer-to-client communication can either diffuse conflict or inflame it. Professional, measured responses often advance goals more effectively than aggression.

● Silence Can Be Strategic: Not every text or email requires a response. Sometimes disengagement prevents unnecessary escalation.

● Transparency Prevents Litigation: Withholding information fuels suspicion and discovery fights. Full transparency often shortens the process and reduces cost.

Notable Quotes

“Good people are going through difficult times. They’re not at their best.”

“Silence or a lack of response can be more powerful than engaging.”

“If you don’t produce it, that’s what the other side will focus on.”

“Most cases settle so treat the other person like they’re your most important audience.”

Melinda Eitzen talks with Alesia Coffman of Merrill Lynch Wealth Management about her mission to financially educate and empower women navigating divorce. Drawing on more than 30 years in finance and her own personal experience with divorce, Alesia explains why financial understanding is critical to confidence, long-term stability, and avoiding costly regret during and after the divorce process.

Throughout the episode, Melinda and Alesia break down complex financial concepts in practical, approachable terms. They discuss why assets are not created equal, the hidden risks of private investments, capital calls, pre-tax versus post-tax dollars, and why liquidity matters when dividing marital property. Alesia shares real-world examples from mediation that illustrate how a settlement that looks “fair” on paper can be deeply unbalanced without proper financial analysis.

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About the Guest

Aleisa Coffman is a Wealth Management Advisor with Merrill Lynch and a Certified Divorce Financial Analyst (CDFA). She specializes in helping individuals, particularly women, understand their finances during divorce and make informed decisions that support long-term financial security. Alesia can be contacted at: office number:214-750-2100, email: alesia.coffman@ml.com, website: https://fa.ml.com/alesia-coffman/ or https://fa.ml.com/crockett-associates
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Key Takeaways About Financial Empowerment During Divorce

● Education Creates Confidence: Understanding finances during divorce helps clients move from fear and overwhelm to confidence and clarity.

● Assets Are Not Created Equal: A dollar in cash, a 401(k), a public stock, and a private investment all have different risks, restrictions, tax implications, and liquidity concerns.

● Private Investments Carry Hidden Risks: Private investments may involve capital calls, lack income, be difficult to value, and restrict access to cash, making them risky in divorce settlements.

● Liquidity Is Critical: Clients must consider how they will pay living expenses, taxes, and unexpected costs after divorce, not just the face value of assets.

● Pre-Tax vs. Post-Tax Dollars Matter: Retirement accounts like 401(k)s are not equivalent to cash due to taxes and potential penalties, especially for younger clients.

● Proper Division Avoids Penalties: Retirement accounts can often be divided tax- and penalty-free when done correctly through divorce orders, self-help can create serious financial consequences.

● Early Financial Advocacy Helps: Bringing a financial professional into the process early can save time, reduce stress, and prevent costly mistakes during mediation and settlement.

● Avoid Fear-Based Decisions: Rushing to “just get it over with” can lead to long-term regret. Informed decisions lead to better outcomes.

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Notable Quotes About Divorce and Financial Empowerment

“All investments are not created equal.”

“You don’t want to look back and regret a decision because you didn’t understand what you were agreeing to.”

“A dollar in a 401(k) is not the same as a dollar in cash.”

“Education turns uncertainty into empowerment.”

“You don’t have to be embarrassed about what you don’t know, this isn’t taught in school.”

“I want clients to walk into mediation knowing what they’re looking at instead of being intimidated by a spreadsheet.”

Melinda Eitzen sits down with Jim Mueller of the Mueller Family Law Group to discuss the realities of marketing for lawyers and business owners. Drawing from decades of experience as family law firm owners, they explore why effective marketing starts long before paid advertising, beginning with professionalism, competence, and how clients experience working with you.

Melinda and Jim discuss the importance of availability, reputation, and word-of-mouth referrals. They also cover common marketing missteps, why consistency matters, and how every interaction with clients, opposing counsel, and colleagues contributes to long-term business development. This episode offers practical guidance for building a sustainable, authentic practice rooted in trust and relationships.

About the Guest

Jim Mueller is the founder of the Mueller Family Law Group and an experienced family law attorney with decades of insight into law firm growth and marketing.

Key Takeaways About Marketing for Lawyers and Business Owners

● Marketing Starts With You: How you present yourself, practice law, and treat people is the foundation of effective marketing.

● Competence Builds Reputation: Doing good work consistently is one of the strongest marketing tools a lawyer has.

● Availability Matters: Being responsive and accessible builds trust and drives referrals.

● Word-of-Mouth Is Powerful: Clients and even opposing counsel can become your best source of future business.

● Branding Is Ongoing: Marketing isn’t a one-time effort, it’s a continuous reflection of your professionalism and values. 

● Your Elevator Pitch Counts: Being able to clearly explain who you are and what you do helps others refer business to you.

● Online Presence Matters: Websites and social media should reinforce credibility, not undermine it.

● Be Intentional With Marketing Spend: Lawyers should be thoughtful about where they invest time and money instead of chasing every new marketing trend.

Notable Quotes About Marketing for Lawyers

“Marketing starts with how you practice law and how you treat people.”

“Your reputation is built one interaction at a time.”

“Clients don’t just hire lawyers—they refer experiences.”

“Word-of-mouth is still one of the most effective forms of marketing.”

Melinda Eitzen sits down with Richard Sutherland, Duffee + Eitzen of counsel and a veteran Texas family law attorney, to demystify one of the most complex areas of divorce: dividing retirement assets. They discuss the different types of retirement plans commonly encountered in divorce, including ERISA plans, military retirement, teacher retirement, and state plans. Highlights why retirement accounts cannot simply be split and also explores common mistakes that lead to lost benefits, and emphasizes why handling retirement correctly the first time is essential for protecting clients’ long-term financial security.

About the Guest

Richard is a highly experienced Texas family law attorney who focuses extensively on retirement division in divorce cases. Practicing as of-counsel at Duffee + Eitzen Wichita Falls office.

Key Takeaways About Dividing Retirement in Divorce

● Not All Retirement Plans Are the Same: ERISA plans, military retirement, teacher retirement, and state plans all follow different rules and terminology.

● QDROs Are Mandatory for ERISA Plans: You cannot divide a 401(k) or pension without a properly drafted and approved Qualified Domestic Relations Order.

● Early Discovery Prevents Big Problems: Attorneys must identify all plans, including predecessor or multiple plans, and obtain the Summary Plan Description early.

● Plan Administrators Should Be Notified During Divorce: Putting plans on notice can prevent participants from borrowing against accounts and reducing marital value.

● Pre-Approval of QDROs Matters: Getting plan approval before finalizing the divorce avoids rejected orders and costly post-divorce lawsuits.

● Military Retirement Is Governed by Federal Law: The 10/10 rule affects direct payment through DFAS, but retirement may still be divisible under Texas law even if the rule doesn’t apply.

● Critical Benefits Must Be Addressed in the Decree: COLAs and survivor benefits cannot be added later if they are omitted from the original divorce decree.

● Statements Don’t Equal Value: Teacher and retirement statements often do not reflect true value—actuarial calculations are frequently required.

● Fixing Retirement Mistakes Later Is Expensive: Missing or incorrect orders can force clients into additional litigation years after divorce.

They discuss how trial timing varies by county, the importance of running both the settlement and trial tracks simultaneously, and why thorough client preparation is critical to helping clients tell the truth clearly and effectively in court.

About the Guest

Brittney Bramlett is a partner at Duffee + Eitzen and an experienced family attorney and mediator. 

Key Takeaways About Prepping for Trial in Family Law

● Trial Prep Starts Immediately: Preparation begins at the first consult, even if the goal is settlement. Every decision early on impacts trial readiness.

● Deadlines Aren’t the Whole Story: While hard deadlines exist, best practice often requires preparation well in advance, especially for experts and document production.

● Expert Preparation Takes Time: Experts may need to be designated 120 days before trial, but meaningful expert preparation starts earlier.

● Document Timelines Matter: Some documents require 60 or more business days to gather and tender, making early planning essential.

● Trial Timing Varies by County: Depending on the jurisdiction, trial settings may occur in as little as 45 days or take more than a year.

● Two Tracks Are Always Running: Attorneys prepare simultaneously for settlement and trial. Courts like Dallas County now require mediation before trial.

● Client Preparation Is Critical: Being questioned in court is unnatural and stressful. Clients should understand their goals, the narrative of their case, and practice testimony more than once.

● Telling the Truth Well Matters: There’s a difference between telling the truth and telling it effectively. Preparation helps clients communicate honestly, clearly, and confidently.

● Witness Types Matter:
 – Lay Witnesses: Friends, family, teachers, and treating therapists
– Expert Witnesses: financial and custody forensic experts, and other specialized professionals

Hunter explains why honesty and full transparency from clients are essential to building an effective litigation strategy. Because courtrooms are an unnatural environment, thorough preparation and storytelling rooted in truth are critical. Melinda and Hunter also discuss the importance of properly drafted pleadings, handling cases involving family violence, navigating varying county evidence rules, and preserving the record for appeal. This episode provides a practical look at what goes into strong family law litigation from start to finish.

About the Guest

Hunter Lewis is a partner at Duffee + Eitzen and an experienced family law litigator.

Key Takeaways About Litigation in Family Law

● Client Transparency Matters: Clients help their attorneys most by sharing everything—not by trying to leave a good impression. Effective litigation relies on complete information to build strategy and tell the client’s story.

● Preparation Is Critical: Court is an unnatural environment. Thorough client preparation helps reduce uncertainty and improves courtroom performance.

● Honesty Wins: The most effective litigation strategies are rooted in truth. Taking ownership of the facts builds credibility, and judges respond to honesty.

● Pleadings Can Decide a Case: Poorly drafted pleadings can eliminate claims or entire cases. Pleadings must align with statutory requirements and be specific enough to preserve appellate rights.

● Evidence Rules Vary: Evidence rules can differ by county and court. Staying current with local rules is critical—failure to do so can result in excluded evidence.

● Motion for Directed Verdict: This motion argues the opposing party has failed to meet their burden of proof and is made after the other side rests but before presenting your case.

● Protecting the Record: Proper record-keeping is essential to support appeals or prevent them altogether. A clean record can make or break an appellate outcome.

Philip discusses how summary judgments are used in both divorce cases and post-divorce modification actions. They explore what constitutes a substantial change in circumstances for modifications, the types of motions available, and timing considerations under Texas rules. The episode also covers drafting strategies, how judges review summary judgments, and practical advice.

About the Guest:

Philip W. Moore, Jr. is a family law attorney of Moore Family Law practicing in Frisco, Tx. To contact, please call (214) 764-8033 or visit Frisco Divorce Attorney | Moore Family Law, P.C.

Key Takeaways About Summary Judgements in Family Law:

- Definition: Summary judgments are a procedural tool used when the facts are undisputed and no genuine issue of material fact exists. The judge can rule as a matter of law without a trial.

-  Purpose: They help avoid jury trials, resolve cases early, and streamline litigation.

-  Applicable Cases: Used in divorce cases and post-divorce modifications.

- Modifications: Only substantial changes qualify, such as serious health issues, abuse, or parent arrests. Normal life events like children aging, minor schedule changes, or remarriage usually do not meet the threshold.

- Types of Motions:

- Traditional Summary Judgment: Can be filed anytime after the party has appeared.

- No-Evidence Motion: Can be filed when the opposing party has produced discovery; must be filed at least 21 days before the hearing.

- Reply: Allows the moving party to respond if the opposing side has produced discovery that still fails to establish a material fact.

- Drafting Considerations: Include statements, intentions, or acknowledgments regarding foreseeable changes when preparing orders.

- Judge Preferences: Some judges prefer detailed written submissions, while others also allow oral presentations at the hearing.

- Timeline Rules:

- 21 days’ notice before the hearing is required.

- Responses are due 7 days before the hearing.

- No strict deadline exists for replies to the response under Texas Rules of Civil Procedure.

Notable Quotes About Summary Judgements:

“Summary judgments are a way to resolve cases when the facts aren’t in dispute—saving time and avoiding a jury trial.”

“Only substantial, material changes rise to the level required for modification—things like health issues, abuse, or arrests, not minor life events.”

“Judges vary: some like to read all submissions in advance, others want a clear oral presentation at the hearing.”

Key Takeaways from the Episode

Texas Court Structure: 
· Three levels: trial court, appellate court, and Texas Supreme Court.
· Less than 10% of cases requested for review by the Supreme Court are actually heard.

Appeals Are Not a “Do-Over”:
· No new witnesses or arguments are presented.
· The appellate court reviews legal errors made during trial (e.g., evidence wrongly excluded or admitted).
· Attorneys must show that the error was harmful to the case and preserve the issue in the record with an offer of proof.

Importance of Record-Keeping:
· Maintaining a clear and detailed trial record is essential for a successful appeal.
· Appeals can take years to resolve.

Jodi’s Case Overview:
· Involved property division — specifically whether a bonus earned during marriage was community property or separate property.
· Jodi argued the bonus was community property because it was accrued during the marriage and tied to the husband’s performance.
· The Texas Supreme Court agreed with Jodi, ruling that the bonus should be considered community property.

Impact of the Ruling:
· Clarified that compensation outside of salary (e.g., bonuses, stock options, fringe benefits) must be evaluated based on when it was earned, not when it was received.
· Addressed potential gamesmanship, where individuals could manipulate salary and bonuses to affect property division.
· Although Jodi’s case did not create new law, it provided a new interpretation and clarification of existing statutes.
 
Broader Implications for Family Law:
· Influences mediation and settlement negotiations, as bonuses and deferred compensation must be analyzed carefully before trial.
· Reinforces the importance of understanding each party’s compensation structure in divorce cases.
· Connects to new family code legislation that includes formulas for deferred compensation but still leaves ambiguity on handling bonuses.

 About Jodi Bender Today:
· Continues to practice family law and head the Witchia Falls D+E location, as well as, Dallas metro area.
· Has expanded her work to include mediation as a mediator herself.

Melinda sits down with Duffee + Eitzen associate attorney, Devin Kerns, who breaks down the most important 2025 updates to Texas family law. The changes impact child support, protective orders, non-parent rights, and enforcement provisions—each reshaping how courts prioritize safety, parental authority, and long-term family outcomes.

About the Guest

Devin Kerns is an associate attorney at Duffee + Eitzen in Dallas, TX.

Child Support

• The net resources cap for child support has increased from $9,200 to $11,700 per month, reflecting a 27% rise.
• The standard calculation remains: 20% of the paying parent’s monthly income for one child.
• Parents can still negotiate individual child support agreements, but those exist alongside the statutory increase.
• The Texas Attorney General’s Office continues to review child support cases at no cost.

Protective Orders

• A Protective Order (PO) now takes legal priority over any custody or divorce decree in place.
• SAPOs (Stalking/Abuse Protective Orders) automatically last two years.
• The showing that violence was likely to recur is still no longer required.
• Transfers to divorce court are now mandatory (previously discretionary) unless the court determines that doing so would endanger the protected party’s safety.

Non-Parent Rights

• The definition of “non-parent” includes stepparents, grandparents, aunts, uncles, and other non-biological or non-adoptive caregivers.
• Texas has tightened the standard for non-parent standing in custody or access cases.
• Previously, standing required actual care, control, or possession of a child for at least six months.
• The new statute replaces “actual” with “exclusive,” although this term is undefined by the statue.
• The stepparent statute granting standing after the death of a biological parent has been completely repealed.

Fit Parent Presumption

• The fit parent presumption now carries stronger legal protection for biological and adoptive parents.
• Courts require clear and convincing evidence to override parental rights, now clarifying the application burden of proof.
• Non-parents cannot overcome this presumption by referencing prior agreed orders or informal arrangements.
• This shift reinforces that parental autonomy and decision-making remain the court’s priority unless substantial evidence shows otherwise.

Enforcements

• A new “Three Strikes” provision increases accountability for repeated violations of court orders.
• After three prior contempt findings for violating a possession or access order, the fourth violation:
  • Constitutes a material and substantial change, providing grounds for modification, and
  • Requires commitment to jail.
• In effect, four deliberate violations of a court order now lead to incarceration.

Quotes from the Discussion

“Litigating in a family is very different than litigating between two business partners.”

— Devin Kerns, Associate Attorney, Duffee + Eitzen

“The court is not interested in getting into the personal decision-making of a parent.”

— Devin Kerns, Associate Attorney, Duffee + Eitzen

About Guest:

David Pyke is a probate and estate attorney at Pyke & Associates in Dallas, TX. To contact David visit their website at dallasprobatelaw.com.

 Main Takeaways

• Prenups and postnups (marital property agreements) help define ownership and prevent conflicts between estate and divorce outcomes.
• Having a will isn’t enough—without a marital property agreement, assets acquired during marriage are presumed community property.
• Record keeping matters: keep digital copies of financial statements as proof of separate assets.
• After divorce: always update your will and beneficiaries—divorce automatically voids gifts in a will.
• Trusts and powers of attorney are essential tools for complex estates or when planning for incapacity.
• Review your estate documents every five years or after major life changes like death, divorce, or incapacity.

Quotes from the Episode

“All marriages end—either in death or divorce—and the legal ramifications are the same. So, do you have rules?” – David Pyke
“Community property with your name on it means nothing.” – David Pyke
“It’s never fine to do nothing, because the law says divorce voids any gift in a will.” – David Pyke
“If someone says there’s a way to avoid income taxes, fold up your pocketbook and run.” – David Pyke

We cover:

• Why collaborative law is different from litigation (and why it’s not just “amicable divorce”).

• The benefits: more control over timing, privacy, creativity in solutions, and often lower financial and emotional costs.

• The role of neutral professionals—financial and mental health experts who guide families without taking sides.

• Common myths, including how collaboration can still work when challenges like substance abuse or mental health issues are present (with treatment in place).

• When collaboration is not appropriate, including situations involving domestic violence or active protective orders.

At its core, collaborative divorce is about helping people who don’t agree—but want to. It’s a path toward peace of mind, healthier dynamics, and solutions tailored to your family’s unique needs.

Quotes:
“Collaborative is a process for people who do not agree but want to” - Melinda Eitzen

“It is a process for people who do not agree and have a desire to do what is best for their family and need a little help” - Lisa Marquis

"The power of the neutral voice" - Melinda Eitzen

"People who cannot collaborate, are if they are crazy, actually crazy; not divorce crazy because we all feel a little crazy when divorcing." - Melinda Eitzen

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 Contact Dr.Dean at www.drbeckloff.com or call (972) 250-1700

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About the Guest

Laura Roach is a family law attorney in Frisco, TX. To find out more and hire or contact Laura, email lroach@mccathernlaw.com.

Key Takeaways About Substance abuse and family law

●        Substance abuse—whether drugs, alcohol, gambling, or compulsive behaviors—is common in family law cases.

●        Ego and denial can prevent people from getting help, often worsening legal consequences.

●        Judges respect honesty. Having a recovery plan in place can influence custody and court decisions positively.

●        Addiction doesn’t go away on its own, its progressive and requires intervention.

●        Recovery and being a good parent can happen at the same time.

●        Therapy helps. Always.

Notable Quotes About Substance Abuse and Family law

“Some kind of addiction of some sort, alcohol, drugs, sex, shopping, gambling, those are all pretty relevant in most family law cases” - Laura Roach

“it's humility, you have to be humble and accept that you have a problem” -Laura Roach

“I was raised, you can fix any problem, you can do this, don’t depend on anybody else, don't do all that, but that is actually a liability “- Laura Roach

“Break the delusion. If you go to court, in that delusion, the judges are going to see right through you.” -Laura Roach

“Judges will forgive anything if you take personal responsibility and are on a path to solve the problem. You get to be a parent while in active recovery—not in denial.” 

“Addiction is the only disease that kills you and tells you that you don’t have it.” -Laura Roach

“Values, thoughts, and actions in alignment equal happiness.” – Socrates”-Laura Roach

“Therapy can help everyone.” -Laura Roach

“You get to be an active and good parent while in recovery, but they do not like it when you’re in denial”

About the Guest
Lee Budner is a family law attorney in Dallas, TX. To find out more and hire Lee email lee@calabresebudner.com or call (214) 939-3000.

Key Takeaways About Deposition and Discovery
● Discovery is the overall process of gathering facts and evidence to prepare for trial or settlement.
● Depositions are one part of discovery, where parties or witnesses are questioned under oath—often for hours.
● Depositions aren’t necessary in every case. They’re helpful in litigation but may complicate or polarize settlement negotiations.
● In family law, truthfulness is rare and hard to maintain, making depositions useful in revealing dishonesty.
● There’s no “winning” a deposition, don’t complicate it, comply with the process.
● Video-recording depositions is crucial for capturing body language and tone not visible in transcripts.
● Depositions can be effective on third parties, witnesses, or experts for gaining additional understanding.
● A key benefit? You may uncover unexpected information. But the risk? You may also prepare the other side to be stronger at trial.

Notable Quotes About Navigating Discovery and Depositions
“Depositions are a time to pin people down on their lies and get to expose them.” -Lee Budner

“There’s no winning in depositions.” -Lee Rudner

“Plus—you might find some gems. Minus—you might be helping them prepare for the next phase.” -Melinda Eitzen

“There is no substituting human connection” -Melinda Eitzen

About the Guest
Jeanne Huey is an ethics attorney with Hunt Huey PLLC. To find out more and to hire Jeanne, go to hunthuey.com.

Key Takeaways About Ethics in Divorce Law
● Attorneys have ethical duties to more than just their clients.
● The most common complaint about lawyers from clients is lack of communication.
● Your duties to your client do not extend to violating ethics rules at their direction.
● Fulfilling your ethical duties is in part about appropriately setting expectations at the beginning of a case.

Notable Quotes About Ethics in Divorce Law
“Lawyers forget that the court has a duty to report ethics violations that are egregious. And even if the court sanctions you, the disciplinary counsel (that’s the state bar’s lawyers who handle grievances) can still bring a charge.” – Jeanne Huey

“It is very hard for anyone to refute what happened in a meeting when you send that follow up email.” – Jeanne Huey

“The client sets the goals. They determine the goal of their case. . . But the means to accomplish the goal is what they are paying you to decide.” – Jeanne Huey

“Your job is not to do whatever the client tells you. Your job is to do what is in the client’s best interest.” – Jeanne Huey

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Melinda talks with Jeanne Huey, ethics attorney, about ethics in divorce law. Watch now or listen on your favorite podcast platform.

New Episode Summary
Melinda talks to Keri Riggs, licensed professional counselor, about how to navigate major life transitions. From time to time, we all go through major life transitions. Whether it’s marriage, divorce, a move, getting a job, losing a job, a medical emergency, or the loss of a loved one, change can be a very difficult thing to deal with. Keri Riggs is a licensed professional counselor who specializes in helping people navigate precisely these kinds of major life transitions. She sat down with Melinda to discuss the key principles of how to make change less scary. All this and more on this episode of the Melinda Eitzen Show.

About the Guest
Keri Riggs is a licensed professional counselor in Richardson, TX. To find out more and to hire Keri, go to keririggs.com.
Key Takeaways About Navigating Life Transitions

● Major life transitions happen to everyone. They are inevitable.
● Major life transitions can be positive or negative, but they are all difficult.
● Transitions generally involve three stages: the ending of the old, the messy middle, and the new beginning.
● All three stages are important and you have to go through them in order.
● Every major life transition is easier when you have support from other people.

Notable Quotes About Navigating Life Transitions
“When life hands us something that we maybe didn’t expect, it can create a lot of anxiety, it can create a sense of not being in control.” – Keri Riggs

“It’s having people notice that they’re telling themselves probably the worst version of the story, forgetting that they have the ability to author their own story.” – Keri Riggs
“How we deal with each of those different kinds of transitions makes a difference in how we get through them.”– Keri Riggs

“In the neutral zone, which we call the ‘Messy Middle,’ (because it is messy), what you have left behind is what’s familiar, and you don’t know yet what the new is going to be; you have to pull back, sit back, and you can’t really rush that.” – Keri Riggs

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Melinda talks to Keri Riggs, licensed professional counselor, about how to navigate major life transitions. Watch now or listen on your favorite podcast platform.

About the Guest:
Adam Carricker is a real estate broker with Fowler Real Estate Group. To find out more or to
hire Adam, go to fowlerrealestategroup.com. Joe Soto is a residential mortgage lender with
CrossCountry Mortgage, LLC. To find our more or to hire Joe, go to crosscountrymortgage.com.

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Melinda talks to Adam Carricker, real estate broker, and Joe Soto, mortgage lender, about real
estate and divorce. Watch now or listen on your favorite podcast platform.

Key Takeaways About Real Estate and Divorce
 If selling your home, don’t make it obvious that it’s because of a divorce. That will likely
lead to lower purchase offers.
 The real estate buying season tends to run alongside the scholastic calendar, especially
when dealing with single-family homes.
 You don’t have to wait to explore financing options until after the divorce.
 Rates and prices are inversely related, high rates tend to mean low prices and vice
versa. So, it’s best to buy when rates are high and prices low, then refinance the
property when rates go back down again.
 In cases of divorce, you may qualify for an Owelty Lien, which may get you more
favorable rates and conditions for refinancing. Check with your lender to see if you
qualify.

Notable Quotes About Real Estate and Divorce
“I have been seeing some servicers and some portfolio loans that were done, even though
they’re just a normal, conventional loan being assumed. So it’s definitely something to check
with your servicer if it’s something that you can do on that particular loan or mortgage.” – Joe
Soto
“The best time to invest in real estate is today. The way that these properties appreciate in
value, that’s only going up.” – Adam Carricker
“Guidelines in underwriting have really tightened down and buckled down, so we’re making sure people are qualified, really, really qualified, and not giving fake documents using technology. So, it’s a lot more stringent.” – Joe Soto

“Having a good lender is one of the most important parts of the transaction because that’s
where the money is coming from, and the ability for the lender to close the transaction, given the
timing of some of these deals, is very important. The last thing you want to do is get a call the
day before closing saying, ‘Hey, we need a few more days for this’.” – Adam Carricker

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About the Guest:
Holly Draper is a litigation and appeals attorney and the CEO and Managing Partner of the
Draper Law Firm. To find out more or to hire Holly go to draperfirm.com.

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Melinda talks to attorney Holly Draper about the process of appealing a divorce. Watch now or
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Melinda talks to Michael and Tiffany Ashenfelter, counselors with 214 Counseling Group, about the value and process of counseling. Watch now or listen on your favorite podcast platform.

David Conklin is a private investigator and former law enforcement officer.

Melinda speaks with private investigator David Conklin in a wide-ranging conversation on the intersection of investigative work and family law. Drawing on his extensive first-hand experience as a law-enforcement officer, David sheds some light on the investigator’s process as well as gives some advice on how best to protect yourself from being observed or recorded against your will. Along the way, David and Melinda also discuss cyber-security, the laws concerning digital location-tracking, and when it is and is not appropriate to call 911, as well as some good advice on which home-security devices are most effective. All this and more, on the latest episode of The Melinda Eitzen Show!

About the Guest: Suzanne Wooten is a full-time mediator in McKinney, TX. She works with
seven other qualified mediators and that group is called North Texas Litigation Solutions. Her group is called North Texas Litigation Solutions.

In this episode of the “Melinda Eitzen Show” Suzanne Wooten talks about
what it takes to be a mediator and how Zoom has helped with the mediation process. Suzanne gives great insight into the meaning of mediation and what it takes to go through the process of mediation.

(mitch.little@solidcounsel.com )

Mitch Little is a lawyer who is running for State Representative in House District 65 as a Republican. Mitch Little has won his primary against his Republic incumbent and is now running against the progressive candidate.

In this episode of the “Melinda Eitzen Show” Melinda talks politics with Mitch Little. Melinda asks informed questions on what it takes to run for office in the state of Texas and how Mitch has balanced the political race with family and his law practice. Mitch gives great insight into the problems facing Texas and how he plans on dealing with them.

About the Guest:
Lindsey Obenhaus is a family law attorney that works at Goranson Bain Ausley. She serves on
the State Bar of Texas Technology Committee, American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers
Technology Committee, and chairs the Goranson Bain Ausley Technology Committee.
Episode Summary:
In this episode of The Melinda Eitzen Show our guest Lindsey helps us understand the new
world of A.I. Lindsey explains how Artificial Intelligence can help with family law practice.
Lindsey also discusses the dangers and necessary precautions when using A.I.

Key Takeaways:
 There have been concerns that A.I. being used in law creates an issue with client-lawyer
confidentiality. This can be eased by excluding the name of the client and getting
approval from the client before using it.
 A.I. can draft documents for lawyers making their life significantly easier.
 A.I. is not perfect and still needs the eyes of the lawyer to fix any issues that may arise.
 One of the issues of A.I. is that it can be used to edit evidence for cases and create photos
that are not real.
 A.I. can generate fake audio that can create the risk of false information in legal cases.

Notable Quotes:
 “A.I. is the ability of a computer to communicate in a way that is human like… and act in
a way that a human would.” -Lindsey Obenhaus
 “It’s important to understand that A.I. is not a replacement for lawyers.” -Lindsey
Obenhaus
 “A.I. can review words and create words.”-Lindsey Obenhaus
 “For now (to avoid trouble) do not use client names anywhere in A.I.” Lindsey Obenhaus
 “A.I. does not listen to you or hear your story…it does not replace the need for
mediation.” -Lindsey Obenhaus

About the Guest:
Chris Farish is a family lawyer that works at Quaid Farish Family Law Firm. He is the past president of the International Academy of Collaborative Professionals.

Episode Summary:
In this episode of The Melinda Eitzen Show Chris Farish uses his extensive experience in collaborative law to explain in detail what goes into the collaborative process. Chris also helps distinguish collaborative from mediation. Chris promotes collaborative law and talks about the
benefits of it over that of litigation.

Key Takeaways:
 Collaborative is recognized by the law as a formal way of getting divorce.
 Mediation can be used in collaborative to help get past impasses.
 In collaborative you will often have a financial expert and a neutral mental health professional involved.
 Attorneys can take on collaborative cases without training, but the training makes it easier for everyone involved to go through the process. There is basic training and advanced training classes available on collaborativedivorcetexas.com.
 The collaborative process is very flexible and can improve communication between clients.
Notable Quotes:
 “Who wouldn’t want to take control and make decisions for how you are going to raise your children with the person that you are going to co-parent with rather than leaving it up to the system?” -Chris Farish
 “A lot of people like the process [collaborative] because it is so private.” -Melinda Eitzen
 “I really feel like you get more better information, much easier [in the collaborative process].” -Chris Farish

Chad Collom is a psychiatric mental health nurse practitioner with a PHD in nursing practice.
Chad also has experience as a RN.

Episode Summary:
In this episode of the Melinda Eitzen show, Melinda and her guests Barbara and Chad explore
the world of mental health. Medication is a major subject in this episode: Barbara and Chad are
mental health professionals and will walk you through the ends and outs of mental health
medications and how it can help those in need. Melinda also ties mental health with the Family
Law practice of divorce giving great insight into a stressful situation.

(amundt@mcclure-lawgroup.com) 

About the Guest: 

Adam Mundt is a lawyer (Certified Public Accountant) that works at McClure Law group. 

Episode Summary: 

In this episode of the Melinda Eitzen show, host Melinda and guest Adam talk about how to position yourself better financially before and during the divorce process. Melinda and Adam discuss the importance of considering the tax effect on various assets when considering a divorce settlement and highlight some financial issues to be aware of when divorcing. 

Key Takeaways: 

An exclusion will take money off the top on the sale of a house before taxes; up to $250,000 per person. 
A ROTH IRA is post-tax dollars. When paying out it has already been taxed.
An IRA you are not taxed on, but it is taxed on the way out. 
If you make too much money you cannot open a ROTH IRA.
Tracing experts track down whether property is shared or separate. 
Community property will be split between the two parties and separate property will not. 
Always keep your documents before, during, and after marriage because the burden of proof is on you to prove that property is separate. 
You should try and keep your assets in the same place so that it is easier to track. 
Keep in mind the value of items and whether it is worth paying a lawyer to fight for them. 
When dealing with a divorce it is important to contact a professional. 

Notable Quotes: 

“You, me, and Elon musk get at least $250,000 off the top of the gain (when selling your house) ….” [This is known as an “exclusion” when selling your house]. Adam Mundt
“A dollar in my bank account is not the same as a dollar in my retirement account… unless it’s a ROTH.” Melinda Eitzen
“You never want to be pin pales with the IRS.” Adam Mundt
“We like to find that something (property) is separate, because it goes 100% to the person that proves that it’s theirs.” Melinda Eitzen
“Whenever we have experts that are tracing (money or assets) … the less movements that you have the easier it is to trace… in that case less is more.” Adam Mundt
“Is the juice worth the squeeze? … how much is it going to cost to do the basic work to trace or prove facts at the courthouse?” Adam Mundt
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David Gair is an expert tax lawyer from Locke Lord, specializing in tax-focused law practice with an emphasis on tax controversy work.

In this informative episode of the Melinda Eitzen Show, host Melinda brings on tax law expert David Gair to demystify often overwhelming tax disputes and litigation. The conversation starts with David throwing light on the nuances of tax controversy work and its scope, offering the audience a detailed insight into the processes of resolving disputes with the IRS.

David and Melinda delve into various aspects of tax law, highlighting the criticality of proactively addressing IRS concerns, innocent spouse relief, and the implications of tax shelters. David’s pragmatic advice underscores the episode with actionable tips on how businesses can safeguard against common tax pitfalls, particularly relating to payroll taxes.

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Melinda’s three guests on The Melinda Eitzen Show this week talk about their horror movie, “The Finale”. They discuss how it was spawned from a simple idea set at a musical theater camp, which evolved into a script, and finally how they teamed up to produce and star in the film together. The group expounds on “The Finale” as well as other horror films, commenting that this particular genre is a great way to introduce other themes, such as talking about social ills, while still creating something entertaining and fun that’s reminiscent of the horror flicks they grew up watching in the ‘70’s, 80’s and 90’s. Speaking of what they referred to as “the football bouncing around”, they recount the rewards and challenges of so many people collaborating on a project, and how theirs evolved and was completed after so many talented artists touched it, and brought their skills to the final cut of “The Finale”.

Fun facts regarding the filming of “The Finale” starring Gabriel Reyes and Madison Calhoun: all of the talent in the film are from the Dallas Fort Worth area, and it features Dallas locations such as the Kalita Humphreys Theater, The Garden Café, Honeycut Farms, and Theater 3. Michael Federico described the film by saying, “It’s a love letter to DFW”!  Melinda and all of the guests on the show encourage you to support local arts, and send big thanks to Joel Ferrell of Dallas Theater Center.  For more about all things horror films, check out their ‘Terror and Tacos” podcast. Find “The Finale” on Apple streaming, Amazon and Vudu. Thank you to everyone in DFW who were so generous in helping make the movie.