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Each episode features leading experts, analysts, researchers, and journalists who work on media bias, terrorism, NGO accountability, foreign influence, antisemitism, and international institutions. These are professionals directly involved in investigating how narratives are shaped, amplified, and protected across global newsrooms.

The conversations go beyond breaking news to unpack:
• Media bias and misinformation about Israel
• How terrorist organizations exploit humanitarian and civil society frameworks
• The role of NGOs and international bodies in shaping public perception
• Foreign state influence on Western media and education
• Why context disappears in reporting on Israel and the Palestinians

This series is for listeners seeking in-depth analysis, evidence-based discussion, and accountability in journalism on Israel and the Middle East.</description>
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• How terrorist organizations exploit humanitarian and civil society frameworks
• The role of NGOs and international bodies in shaping public perception
• Foreign state influence on Western media and education
• Why context disappears in reporting on Israel and the Palestinians

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        <![CDATA[<p><em>Matti Friedman spent five years inside the AP's Jerusalem bureau. He explains the staffing anomaly, the peace offer that was ordered killed, and the Hamas censorship AP readers were never told about.</em></p><p>We throw around the phrase "media bias" as though it means a bad headline here, an unfair paragraph there. Matti Friedman is describing something much larger — and he's describing it from the inside.</p><p>From 2006 to 2011, Friedman was a reporter and editor in the Jerusalem bureau of the Associated Press: the biggest international bureau of the world's biggest news organization, feeding copy, photos, and footage to roughly 10,000 outlets worldwide. He came in from the left of the Israeli political spectrum with no particular critique of the press. It took him about two years to conclude that what the bureau produced wasn't really coverage.</p><p>The first thing that struck him wasn't ideology. It was arithmetic. The AP had around 40 full-time staffers covering a country that is one one-hundredth of one percent of the world's surface — more reporters than it had in China, and more than it had in all of sub-Saharan Africa.</p><p>In this conversation with Ben Chertoff, Friedman walks through what that machine actually did:</p><ul><li><strong>The peace offer that never ran.</strong> In 2008, two AP reporters had Ehud Olmert's far-reaching two-state offer to Mahmoud Abbas — one of them had seen the map. They were ordered to drop it, because the story would have subverted the narrative the bureau was already committed to. Reporter Mark Lavie later called it the worst journalistic scandal of his fifty years in the business.</li><li><strong>The editor's note that never was.</strong> During Operation Cast Lead, the AP's correspondent in Gaza reported that Hamas fighters were dressing as civilians and being counted in the civilian death toll. Friedman put it in the story. Then came the phone call, and the detail came out. When Friedman proposed that AP disclose it was conforming to Hamas censorship — exactly as it discloses Israeli military censorship — he was overruled. Readers were never told.</li><li><strong>Why every outlet lands on the same story by the end of the day</strong>, without anyone coordinating anything.</li><li><strong>Why "the Israeli-Palestinian conflict" is the wrong name for the thing</strong>, and how the reframing away from "the Arab-Israeli conflict" quietly flipped who looks outnumbered.</li><li><strong>The Gaza bookshelf</strong> — the new literary genre in which Gaza becomes the lens for feminism, the climate, and everything else, and what it means that a very old idea is finding a very new audience.</li></ul><p>Friedman's diagnosis isn't a conspiracy. It's a bubble, an incentive structure, and a professional identity that changed: reporters who, in his words, "didn't want to cover the circus — they wanted to be dancing bears in the circus."</p><p><strong>Guest:</strong> Matti Friedman is a Canadian-born Israeli journalist and author. He wrote the widely discussed 2014 Tablet essay "An Insider's Guide to the Most Important Story on Earth," and he is the author of five books — <em>The Aleppo Codex</em>, <em>Pumpkinflowers</em>, <em>Spies of No Country</em>, <em>Who by Fire: Leonard Cohen in the Sinai</em>, and, new this year, <em>Out of the Sky: Heroism and Rebirth in Nazi Europe</em>, the story of the Jewish parachutists — Hannah Senesh among them — who escaped Nazi Europe for British Mandate Palestine and then volunteered to go back in. He writes from Jerusalem for The Free Press.</p><p><strong><br>Mentioned in this episode<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>Matti Friedman, "An Insider's Guide to the Most Important Story on Earth" (Tablet, 2014) — <a href="https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-insider-guide">https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-insider-guide</a></li><li><em>Out of the Sky: Heroism and Rebirth in Nazi Europe</em> (Spiegel &amp; Grau, 2026) — <a href="https://www.spiegelandgrau.com/out-of-the-sky">https://www.spiegelandgrau.com/out-of-the-sky</a></li><li>David Nirenberg, <em>Anti-Judaism: The Western Tradition</em></li><li>The Free Press — <a href="https://www.thefp.com/">https://www.thefp.com</a></li><li>The Times of Israel — Friedman's pick for a daily news wrap</li></ul><p><strong><br>Links<br></strong><br></p><p>🎧 <strong>The Honest Take:</strong> <a href="https://podcast.honestreporting.com/">https://podcast.honestreporting.com</a> 📺 <strong>Full episode playlist:</strong> <a href="https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5<br></a><br></p><p>If this conversation gave you something to think about, please <strong>leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify</strong> — it's the single biggest thing you can do to help more people find the show. And follow HonestReporting on Instagram, X, TikTok, and Facebook.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p><em>Matti Friedman spent five years inside the AP's Jerusalem bureau. He explains the staffing anomaly, the peace offer that was ordered killed, and the Hamas censorship AP readers were never told about.</em></p><p>We throw around the phrase "media bias" as though it means a bad headline here, an unfair paragraph there. Matti Friedman is describing something much larger — and he's describing it from the inside.</p><p>From 2006 to 2011, Friedman was a reporter and editor in the Jerusalem bureau of the Associated Press: the biggest international bureau of the world's biggest news organization, feeding copy, photos, and footage to roughly 10,000 outlets worldwide. He came in from the left of the Israeli political spectrum with no particular critique of the press. It took him about two years to conclude that what the bureau produced wasn't really coverage.</p><p>The first thing that struck him wasn't ideology. It was arithmetic. The AP had around 40 full-time staffers covering a country that is one one-hundredth of one percent of the world's surface — more reporters than it had in China, and more than it had in all of sub-Saharan Africa.</p><p>In this conversation with Ben Chertoff, Friedman walks through what that machine actually did:</p><ul><li><strong>The peace offer that never ran.</strong> In 2008, two AP reporters had Ehud Olmert's far-reaching two-state offer to Mahmoud Abbas — one of them had seen the map. They were ordered to drop it, because the story would have subverted the narrative the bureau was already committed to. Reporter Mark Lavie later called it the worst journalistic scandal of his fifty years in the business.</li><li><strong>The editor's note that never was.</strong> During Operation Cast Lead, the AP's correspondent in Gaza reported that Hamas fighters were dressing as civilians and being counted in the civilian death toll. Friedman put it in the story. Then came the phone call, and the detail came out. When Friedman proposed that AP disclose it was conforming to Hamas censorship — exactly as it discloses Israeli military censorship — he was overruled. Readers were never told.</li><li><strong>Why every outlet lands on the same story by the end of the day</strong>, without anyone coordinating anything.</li><li><strong>Why "the Israeli-Palestinian conflict" is the wrong name for the thing</strong>, and how the reframing away from "the Arab-Israeli conflict" quietly flipped who looks outnumbered.</li><li><strong>The Gaza bookshelf</strong> — the new literary genre in which Gaza becomes the lens for feminism, the climate, and everything else, and what it means that a very old idea is finding a very new audience.</li></ul><p>Friedman's diagnosis isn't a conspiracy. It's a bubble, an incentive structure, and a professional identity that changed: reporters who, in his words, "didn't want to cover the circus — they wanted to be dancing bears in the circus."</p><p><strong>Guest:</strong> Matti Friedman is a Canadian-born Israeli journalist and author. He wrote the widely discussed 2014 Tablet essay "An Insider's Guide to the Most Important Story on Earth," and he is the author of five books — <em>The Aleppo Codex</em>, <em>Pumpkinflowers</em>, <em>Spies of No Country</em>, <em>Who by Fire: Leonard Cohen in the Sinai</em>, and, new this year, <em>Out of the Sky: Heroism and Rebirth in Nazi Europe</em>, the story of the Jewish parachutists — Hannah Senesh among them — who escaped Nazi Europe for British Mandate Palestine and then volunteered to go back in. He writes from Jerusalem for The Free Press.</p><p><strong><br>Mentioned in this episode<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>Matti Friedman, "An Insider's Guide to the Most Important Story on Earth" (Tablet, 2014) — <a href="https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-insider-guide">https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-insider-guide</a></li><li><em>Out of the Sky: Heroism and Rebirth in Nazi Europe</em> (Spiegel &amp; Grau, 2026) — <a href="https://www.spiegelandgrau.com/out-of-the-sky">https://www.spiegelandgrau.com/out-of-the-sky</a></li><li>David Nirenberg, <em>Anti-Judaism: The Western Tradition</em></li><li>The Free Press — <a href="https://www.thefp.com/">https://www.thefp.com</a></li><li>The Times of Israel — Friedman's pick for a daily news wrap</li></ul><p><strong><br>Links<br></strong><br></p><p>🎧 <strong>The Honest Take:</strong> <a href="https://podcast.honestreporting.com/">https://podcast.honestreporting.com</a> 📺 <strong>Full episode playlist:</strong> <a href="https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5<br></a><br></p><p>If this conversation gave you something to think about, please <strong>leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify</strong> — it's the single biggest thing you can do to help more people find the show. And follow HonestReporting on Instagram, X, TikTok, and Facebook.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p><em>Matti Friedman spent five years inside the AP's Jerusalem bureau. He explains the staffing anomaly, the peace offer that was ordered killed, and the Hamas censorship AP readers were never told about.</em></p><p>We throw around the phrase "media bias" as though it means a bad headline here, an unfair paragraph there. Matti Friedman is describing something much larger — and he's describing it from the inside.</p><p>From 2006 to 2011, Friedman was a reporter and editor in the Jerusalem bureau of the Associated Press: the biggest international bureau of the world's biggest news organization, feeding copy, photos, and footage to roughly 10,000 outlets worldwide. He came in from the left of the Israeli political spectrum with no particular critique of the press. It took him about two years to conclude that what the bureau produced wasn't really coverage.</p><p>The first thing that struck him wasn't ideology. It was arithmetic. The AP had around 40 full-time staffers covering a country that is one one-hundredth of one percent of the world's surface — more reporters than it had in China, and more than it had in all of sub-Saharan Africa.</p><p>In this conversation with Ben Chertoff, Friedman walks through what that machine actually did:</p><ul><li><strong>The peace offer that never ran.</strong> In 2008, two AP reporters had Ehud Olmert's far-reaching two-state offer to Mahmoud Abbas — one of them had seen the map. They were ordered to drop it, because the story would have subverted the narrative the bureau was already committed to. Reporter Mark Lavie later called it the worst journalistic scandal of his fifty years in the business.</li><li><strong>The editor's note that never was.</strong> During Operation Cast Lead, the AP's correspondent in Gaza reported that Hamas fighters were dressing as civilians and being counted in the civilian death toll. Friedman put it in the story. Then came the phone call, and the detail came out. When Friedman proposed that AP disclose it was conforming to Hamas censorship — exactly as it discloses Israeli military censorship — he was overruled. Readers were never told.</li><li><strong>Why every outlet lands on the same story by the end of the day</strong>, without anyone coordinating anything.</li><li><strong>Why "the Israeli-Palestinian conflict" is the wrong name for the thing</strong>, and how the reframing away from "the Arab-Israeli conflict" quietly flipped who looks outnumbered.</li><li><strong>The Gaza bookshelf</strong> — the new literary genre in which Gaza becomes the lens for feminism, the climate, and everything else, and what it means that a very old idea is finding a very new audience.</li></ul><p>Friedman's diagnosis isn't a conspiracy. It's a bubble, an incentive structure, and a professional identity that changed: reporters who, in his words, "didn't want to cover the circus — they wanted to be dancing bears in the circus."</p><p><strong>Guest:</strong> Matti Friedman is a Canadian-born Israeli journalist and author. He wrote the widely discussed 2014 Tablet essay "An Insider's Guide to the Most Important Story on Earth," and he is the author of five books — <em>The Aleppo Codex</em>, <em>Pumpkinflowers</em>, <em>Spies of No Country</em>, <em>Who by Fire: Leonard Cohen in the Sinai</em>, and, new this year, <em>Out of the Sky: Heroism and Rebirth in Nazi Europe</em>, the story of the Jewish parachutists — Hannah Senesh among them — who escaped Nazi Europe for British Mandate Palestine and then volunteered to go back in. He writes from Jerusalem for The Free Press.</p><p><strong><br>Mentioned in this episode<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>Matti Friedman, "An Insider's Guide to the Most Important Story on Earth" (Tablet, 2014) — <a href="https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-insider-guide">https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/israel-middle-east/articles/israel-insider-guide</a></li><li><em>Out of the Sky: Heroism and Rebirth in Nazi Europe</em> (Spiegel &amp; Grau, 2026) — <a href="https://www.spiegelandgrau.com/out-of-the-sky">https://www.spiegelandgrau.com/out-of-the-sky</a></li><li>David Nirenberg, <em>Anti-Judaism: The Western Tradition</em></li><li>The Free Press — <a href="https://www.thefp.com/">https://www.thefp.com</a></li><li>The Times of Israel — Friedman's pick for a daily news wrap</li></ul><p><strong><br>Links<br></strong><br></p><p>🎧 <strong>The Honest Take:</strong> <a href="https://podcast.honestreporting.com/">https://podcast.honestreporting.com</a> 📺 <strong>Full episode playlist:</strong> <a href="https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5<br></a><br></p><p>If this conversation gave you something to think about, please <strong>leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify</strong> — it's the single biggest thing you can do to help more people find the show. And follow HonestReporting on Instagram, X, TikTok, and Facebook.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>PEN America — the country's oldest and most prestigious free-expression organization — put out a report documenting how Jewish and Israeli writers are being frozen out of publishing. Within 24 hours, its own president had resigned over it. Not because the report went too far, but because it suggested, gently and with footnotes, that boycotting Jews might be a form of discrimination.</p><p>Author Meg Keene wrote the Wall Street Journal piece that took the whole thing apart — and she's the most-quoted voice in the report itself. For fifteen years she wasn't a political writer at all: she built one of the most-read wedding blogs in the country, <em>A Practical Wedding</em>, with two books that sold well over 150,000 copies passed hand-to-hand between brides who'd never met. She was, in her own words, "the dream author."</p><p>Then Charlottesville happened. Then Tree of Life. And after October 7, she sat down and wrote an achingly Jewish novel in seven days. The Big Five wouldn't touch it. One agent said the problem was a single word — <em>Zionist</em>. Another said the book could survive if she renamed a character from Yael to Sue. So Meg made a choice: if they weren't going to publish her anyway, she'd tell the truth out loud, and light her own fiction career on fire to do it.</p><p>In this conversation: the free-speech paradox at the heart of the PEN resignation; how the industry's blacklist works without anyone ever having to write it down; the St. Martin's Press boycott and the rise of influencer-driven publishing; and the moment Meg went hunting for a 2024 blacklist in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency archive — and pulled up three articles she couldn't tell apart from the present, all dated 1939, all about the blacklisting of Jewish authors in Germany.</p><p>Her argument isn't to shrink. It's to write more, document more, and build our own institutions the way we always have — because, as she puts it, "we are not a people for whom culture is the icing on the cake. It's the cake."</p><p><strong>Meg Keene<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>Substack — "Field Notes for the Brave": <a href="https://megkeene.substack.com/">https://megkeene.substack.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/megkeene">https://instagram.com/megkeene</a></li><li>X: <a href="https://x.com/megkeene">https://x.com/megkeene</a></li><li>Site: <a href="https://megkeene.com/">https://megkeene.com</a></li></ul><p><strong>Referenced in the episode<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>PEN America — "A Silent Moratorium" (July 9, 2026): <a href="https://pen.org/a-silent-moratorium-interviews-with-israeli-and-jewish-writers/">https://pen.org/a-silent-moratorium-interviews-with-israeli-and-jewish-writers/</a></li><li>Dinaw Mengestu resigns as PEN America president (NYT): <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/10/arts/pen-america-dinaw-mengestu-resigns.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/10/arts/pen-america-dinaw-mengestu-resigns.html</a></li><li>Meg Keene's Wall Street Journal op-ed on PEN and cultural boycotts (July 2026): <a href="https://www.wsj.com/">https://www.wsj.com</a></li><li>Jewish Telegraphic Agency archive: <a href="https://www.jta.org/archive">https://www.jta.org/archive</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>PEN America — the country's oldest and most prestigious free-expression organization — put out a report documenting how Jewish and Israeli writers are being frozen out of publishing. Within 24 hours, its own president had resigned over it. Not because the report went too far, but because it suggested, gently and with footnotes, that boycotting Jews might be a form of discrimination.</p><p>Author Meg Keene wrote the Wall Street Journal piece that took the whole thing apart — and she's the most-quoted voice in the report itself. For fifteen years she wasn't a political writer at all: she built one of the most-read wedding blogs in the country, <em>A Practical Wedding</em>, with two books that sold well over 150,000 copies passed hand-to-hand between brides who'd never met. She was, in her own words, "the dream author."</p><p>Then Charlottesville happened. Then Tree of Life. And after October 7, she sat down and wrote an achingly Jewish novel in seven days. The Big Five wouldn't touch it. One agent said the problem was a single word — <em>Zionist</em>. Another said the book could survive if she renamed a character from Yael to Sue. So Meg made a choice: if they weren't going to publish her anyway, she'd tell the truth out loud, and light her own fiction career on fire to do it.</p><p>In this conversation: the free-speech paradox at the heart of the PEN resignation; how the industry's blacklist works without anyone ever having to write it down; the St. Martin's Press boycott and the rise of influencer-driven publishing; and the moment Meg went hunting for a 2024 blacklist in the Jewish Telegraphic Agency archive — and pulled up three articles she couldn't tell apart from the present, all dated 1939, all about the blacklisting of Jewish authors in Germany.</p><p>Her argument isn't to shrink. It's to write more, document more, and build our own institutions the way we always have — because, as she puts it, "we are not a people for whom culture is the icing on the cake. It's the cake."</p><p><strong>Meg Keene<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>Substack — "Field Notes for the Brave": <a href="https://megkeene.substack.com/">https://megkeene.substack.com</a></li><li>Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/megkeene">https://instagram.com/megkeene</a></li><li>X: <a href="https://x.com/megkeene">https://x.com/megkeene</a></li><li>Site: <a href="https://megkeene.com/">https://megkeene.com</a></li></ul><p><strong>Referenced in the episode<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>PEN America — "A Silent Moratorium" (July 9, 2026): <a href="https://pen.org/a-silent-moratorium-interviews-with-israeli-and-jewish-writers/">https://pen.org/a-silent-moratorium-interviews-with-israeli-and-jewish-writers/</a></li><li>Dinaw Mengestu resigns as PEN America president (NYT): <a href="https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/10/arts/pen-america-dinaw-mengestu-resigns.html">https://www.nytimes.com/2026/07/10/arts/pen-america-dinaw-mengestu-resigns.html</a></li><li>Meg Keene's Wall Street Journal op-ed on PEN and cultural boycotts (July 2026): <a href="https://www.wsj.com/">https://www.wsj.com</a></li><li>Jewish Telegraphic Agency archive: <a href="https://www.jta.org/archive">https://www.jta.org/archive</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>There Is Nowhere Else: Israeli Security, Zionist Pride, and the Doctrine That Broke on October 7 | With Brig. Gen. Amir Avivi</title>
      <itunes:episode>13</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>13</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>There Is Nowhere Else: Israeli Security, Zionist Pride, and the Doctrine That Broke on October 7 | With Brig. Gen. Amir Avivi</itunes:title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Every American of a certain age remembers exactly where they were on September 11th. For Israelis, that morning was October 7th. Brigadier General Amir Avivi — a thirty-year IDF veteran, former deputy commander of the Gaza Division, and founder of Israel's largest movement of security professionals — saw it coming. Two years before the war, his organization wrote a national-security assessment describing the attack that was coming; six months before it, he published a book about it. Nobody in power acted on it.</p><p>Ben Chertoff sits down with Avivi to understand how that happened, and what it means going forward. They get into the Cold War doctrine Israel quietly adopted and why it failed; what it's actually like to defend a country forty-five miles wide, where you can see your enemies from the airport; the real history of the Gaza withdrawal and why Avivi says Israel can never repeat it in the West Bank; and his blunt, uncomfortable answer to the question of rising global antisemitism — that the only long-term future for the Jewish people is in Israel. Some of it is hard to hear. That's the point.</p><p><strong><br>ABOUT THE GUEST<br></strong><br></p><p><strong>Brigadier General (res.) Amir Avivi</strong> is a thirty-year veteran of the Israel Defense Forces. He served as deputy commander of the Gaza Division and as aide-de-camp to the Chief of the General Staff, among other senior commands. In 2020 he founded the <strong>Israel Defense and Security Forum (IDSF / Hebrew: "Habithonistim")</strong>, a security-establishment movement that has grown to roughly 55,000 members, including dozens of reserve generals and senior defense officials. He handed the chairmanship to Brig. Gen. (res.) Erez Wiener on June 1, 2026. He is the author of <em>No Retreat: How to Secure Israel for Generations to Come</em>, whose Hebrew edition appeared about six months before October 7th and which he frames as having foreseen the war and its aftermath.</p><p><strong><br>LINKS &amp; RESOURCES<br></strong><br></p><ul><li><strong>Israel Defense and Security Forum (IDSF / Habithonistim):</strong><a href="https://idsf.org.il/en/">https://idsf.org.il/en/</a></li><li><strong>Book — </strong><strong><em>No Retreat: How to Secure Israel for Generations to Come</em></strong></li><li><strong>Guest on X:</strong> @AmirAvivi1</li></ul><p><strong><br>THE HONEST TAKE — SUBSCRIBE &amp; FOLLOW<br></strong><br></p><ul><li><strong>Podcast (all platforms):</strong> <a href="https://podcast.honestreporting.com/">https://podcast.honestreporting.com</a></li><li><strong>Watch on YouTube:</strong> The Honest Take — full episodes playlist</li><li><strong>Apple Podcasts:</strong> <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-honest-take/id1896315802">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-honest-take/id1896315802</a></li><li><strong>Spotify:</strong> <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/1pCnClcM4jiggKP46YZGjG">https://open.spotify.com/show/1pCnClcM4jiggKP46YZGjG</a></li><li><strong>Follow @HonestReporting</strong> on X, Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok.</li></ul><p>If this episode gave you something to chew on, subscribe wherever you're listening, and leave a rating and a review on Apple or Spotify — it genuinely helps new people find the show.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Every American of a certain age remembers exactly where they were on September 11th. For Israelis, that morning was October 7th. Brigadier General Amir Avivi — a thirty-year IDF veteran, former deputy commander of the Gaza Division, and founder of Israel's largest movement of security professionals — saw it coming. Two years before the war, his organization wrote a national-security assessment describing the attack that was coming; six months before it, he published a book about it. Nobody in power acted on it.</p><p>Ben Chertoff sits down with Avivi to understand how that happened, and what it means going forward. They get into the Cold War doctrine Israel quietly adopted and why it failed; what it's actually like to defend a country forty-five miles wide, where you can see your enemies from the airport; the real history of the Gaza withdrawal and why Avivi says Israel can never repeat it in the West Bank; and his blunt, uncomfortable answer to the question of rising global antisemitism — that the only long-term future for the Jewish people is in Israel. Some of it is hard to hear. That's the point.</p><p><strong><br>ABOUT THE GUEST<br></strong><br></p><p><strong>Brigadier General (res.) Amir Avivi</strong> is a thirty-year veteran of the Israel Defense Forces. He served as deputy commander of the Gaza Division and as aide-de-camp to the Chief of the General Staff, among other senior commands. In 2020 he founded the <strong>Israel Defense and Security Forum (IDSF / Hebrew: "Habithonistim")</strong>, a security-establishment movement that has grown to roughly 55,000 members, including dozens of reserve generals and senior defense officials. He handed the chairmanship to Brig. Gen. (res.) Erez Wiener on June 1, 2026. He is the author of <em>No Retreat: How to Secure Israel for Generations to Come</em>, whose Hebrew edition appeared about six months before October 7th and which he frames as having foreseen the war and its aftermath.</p><p><strong><br>LINKS &amp; RESOURCES<br></strong><br></p><ul><li><strong>Israel Defense and Security Forum (IDSF / Habithonistim):</strong><a href="https://idsf.org.il/en/">https://idsf.org.il/en/</a></li><li><strong>Book — </strong><strong><em>No Retreat: How to Secure Israel for Generations to Come</em></strong></li><li><strong>Guest on X:</strong> @AmirAvivi1</li></ul><p><strong><br>THE HONEST TAKE — SUBSCRIBE &amp; FOLLOW<br></strong><br></p><ul><li><strong>Podcast (all platforms):</strong> <a href="https://podcast.honestreporting.com/">https://podcast.honestreporting.com</a></li><li><strong>Watch on YouTube:</strong> The Honest Take — full episodes playlist</li><li><strong>Apple Podcasts:</strong> <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-honest-take/id1896315802">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-honest-take/id1896315802</a></li><li><strong>Spotify:</strong> <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/1pCnClcM4jiggKP46YZGjG">https://open.spotify.com/show/1pCnClcM4jiggKP46YZGjG</a></li><li><strong>Follow @HonestReporting</strong> on X, Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok.</li></ul><p>If this episode gave you something to chew on, subscribe wherever you're listening, and leave a rating and a review on Apple or Spotify — it genuinely helps new people find the show.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2026 06:30:00 -0400</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Every American of a certain age remembers exactly where they were on September 11th. For Israelis, that morning was October 7th. Brigadier General Amir Avivi — a thirty-year IDF veteran, former deputy commander of the Gaza Division, and founder of Israel's largest movement of security professionals — saw it coming. Two years before the war, his organization wrote a national-security assessment describing the attack that was coming; six months before it, he published a book about it. Nobody in power acted on it.</p><p>Ben Chertoff sits down with Avivi to understand how that happened, and what it means going forward. They get into the Cold War doctrine Israel quietly adopted and why it failed; what it's actually like to defend a country forty-five miles wide, where you can see your enemies from the airport; the real history of the Gaza withdrawal and why Avivi says Israel can never repeat it in the West Bank; and his blunt, uncomfortable answer to the question of rising global antisemitism — that the only long-term future for the Jewish people is in Israel. Some of it is hard to hear. That's the point.</p><p><strong><br>ABOUT THE GUEST<br></strong><br></p><p><strong>Brigadier General (res.) Amir Avivi</strong> is a thirty-year veteran of the Israel Defense Forces. He served as deputy commander of the Gaza Division and as aide-de-camp to the Chief of the General Staff, among other senior commands. In 2020 he founded the <strong>Israel Defense and Security Forum (IDSF / Hebrew: "Habithonistim")</strong>, a security-establishment movement that has grown to roughly 55,000 members, including dozens of reserve generals and senior defense officials. He handed the chairmanship to Brig. Gen. (res.) Erez Wiener on June 1, 2026. He is the author of <em>No Retreat: How to Secure Israel for Generations to Come</em>, whose Hebrew edition appeared about six months before October 7th and which he frames as having foreseen the war and its aftermath.</p><p><strong><br>LINKS &amp; RESOURCES<br></strong><br></p><ul><li><strong>Israel Defense and Security Forum (IDSF / Habithonistim):</strong><a href="https://idsf.org.il/en/">https://idsf.org.il/en/</a></li><li><strong>Book — </strong><strong><em>No Retreat: How to Secure Israel for Generations to Come</em></strong></li><li><strong>Guest on X:</strong> @AmirAvivi1</li></ul><p><strong><br>THE HONEST TAKE — SUBSCRIBE &amp; FOLLOW<br></strong><br></p><ul><li><strong>Podcast (all platforms):</strong> <a href="https://podcast.honestreporting.com/">https://podcast.honestreporting.com</a></li><li><strong>Watch on YouTube:</strong> The Honest Take — full episodes playlist</li><li><strong>Apple Podcasts:</strong> <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-honest-take/id1896315802">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-honest-take/id1896315802</a></li><li><strong>Spotify:</strong> <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/1pCnClcM4jiggKP46YZGjG">https://open.spotify.com/show/1pCnClcM4jiggKP46YZGjG</a></li><li><strong>Follow @HonestReporting</strong> on X, Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok.</li></ul><p>If this episode gave you something to chew on, subscribe wherever you're listening, and leave a rating and a review on Apple or Spotify — it genuinely helps new people find the show.</p>]]>
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      <title>Broken Mirror: Internalized Antisemitism, the Non-Jewish Gaze, and Why Jewish Pride is the Answer to Jew Hate | With Ben M. Freeman</title>
      <itunes:episode>12</itunes:episode>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The founder of the Jewish Pride movement says Jews have spent so long fighting for the right to exist that they've forgotten how to be proud that they do. Ben M. Freeman — a gay Jewish kid from Glasgow who had to come out twice, first as gay and then as an unapologetic Zionist — joins Ben Chertoff to make the affirmative case: that Jews are not a religion but a people, an ancient civilization indigenous to the Land of Israel, and that pride, not defense, is the real answer to Jew-hatred. Along the way: internalized antisemitism and his "three D's," the "non-Jewish gaze," why he reframes "Eastern European Jews" as "Jews who <em>lived in</em> Eastern Europe," the UN's own criteria for indigeneity, and why he says anti-Zionism is antisemitism — no asterisk.</p><p><strong><br>Key Takeaways<br></strong><br></p><ul><li><strong>Pride, not defense, is the point.</strong> Freeman's whole project is affirmative: "Jewish pride is the root to fighting Jew-hatred." You can't fight antisemitism, he argues, unless you're first proud to be a Jew.</li><li><strong>Jews are a people, not a religion.</strong> His "hill to die on": Judaism is equivalent to Jewishness — an <em>Am</em>, a civilization with a religion — and defining Jews <em>only</em> as a faith is a Christian import that creates endless contradictions.</li><li><strong>Internalized antisemitism has three forms.</strong> Diminishment (making yourself smaller — "I'm Jewish, but…"), denial (disowning your Jewishness), and deployment (weaponizing it, as anti-Zionist Jews do). Diminishment is the most common.</li><li><strong>Only Jews define Jewish identity — the "non-Jewish gaze."</strong> Because the non-Jewish world both isn't Jewish and has been structured against Jews, its definitions of "palatable" Jewishness are illegitimate; allies should amplify Jewish perspectives, not speak over them.</li><li><strong>The indigeneity case.</strong> Applying the UN's criteria (he discards the "non-dominant group" one as post-colonial nonsense), he argues Jews meet them — continuous connection to the land, a land-rooted calendar and festivals, Hebrew beneath every diaspora language, Jews buried with soil from Jerusalem. Reframes "Eastern European Jews" as "Jews who <em>lived in</em> Eastern Europe."</li><li><strong>He won't litigate Palestinian indigeneity.</strong> "I'm a Jew telling a Jewish story." He notes questions about when a collective Palestinian national identity emerged, but says it ultimately doesn't change the reality: "they are still here and we need to deal with that."</li><li><strong>Anti-Zionism is antisemitism — no asterisk.</strong> Criticism of Israeli policy is legitimate; the line, per Sharansky's 3D test, is delegitimization, demonization, and double standards. "Israel purposely kills Palestinian children" or "harvests organs" isn't policy critique — it's blood libel.</li><li><strong>Head, Hands, Heart.</strong> A proudly Jewish next generation needs knowledge (head), practice (hands), and — the hardest — cultivated pride (heart), taught from kindergarten on.</li></ul><p><strong><br>Notable Quotes<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>"The greatest achievement of the Jewish people is not Israel. The greatest achievement of the Jewish people is the Jewish people, and Israel is a major manifestation of that."</li><li>"I was failed in an essay because I would not say that Israel was the worst country in the world — and that was direct feedback given to me by a professor."</li><li>"Jews are not a religion. We're a people with a religion. The idea that we're a religion comes from Christianity."</li><li>"We're in an abusive relationship with the non-Jewish world… you try, you try, you try — and then the goalposts move."</li><li>"You've given me such space to define my own identity — but with my Jewishness, you feel comfortable telling me what I am. That's the progressive world right there."</li><li>"Grow up. Stop being so entitled. You as an individual do not get to change a 3,000-year-old civilization."</li></ul><p>📚 Ben M. Freeman — the Jewish Pride trilogy: • <em>Jewish Pride: Rebuilding a People</em>(2021) — <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Pride-Rebuilding-Ben-Freeman/dp/1913532135">https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Pride-Rebuilding-Ben-Freeman/dp/1913532135</a> • <em>Reclaiming Our Story: The Pursuit of Jewish Pride</em> (2022) — <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-Our-Story-Pursuit-Jewish/dp/1915036321">https://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-Our-Story-Pursuit-Jewish/dp/1915036321</a> • <em>The Jews: An Indigenous People</em> (2025) — <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Jews-Indigenous-Ben-M-Freeman/dp/1916797474">https://www.amazon.com/Jews-Indigenous-Ben-M-Freeman/dp/1916797474</a> ✍️ His Substack, The Jewish Pride Press — <a href="https://ben126.substack.com/">https://ben126.substack.com/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The founder of the Jewish Pride movement says Jews have spent so long fighting for the right to exist that they've forgotten how to be proud that they do. Ben M. Freeman — a gay Jewish kid from Glasgow who had to come out twice, first as gay and then as an unapologetic Zionist — joins Ben Chertoff to make the affirmative case: that Jews are not a religion but a people, an ancient civilization indigenous to the Land of Israel, and that pride, not defense, is the real answer to Jew-hatred. Along the way: internalized antisemitism and his "three D's," the "non-Jewish gaze," why he reframes "Eastern European Jews" as "Jews who <em>lived in</em> Eastern Europe," the UN's own criteria for indigeneity, and why he says anti-Zionism is antisemitism — no asterisk.</p><p><strong><br>Key Takeaways<br></strong><br></p><ul><li><strong>Pride, not defense, is the point.</strong> Freeman's whole project is affirmative: "Jewish pride is the root to fighting Jew-hatred." You can't fight antisemitism, he argues, unless you're first proud to be a Jew.</li><li><strong>Jews are a people, not a religion.</strong> His "hill to die on": Judaism is equivalent to Jewishness — an <em>Am</em>, a civilization with a religion — and defining Jews <em>only</em> as a faith is a Christian import that creates endless contradictions.</li><li><strong>Internalized antisemitism has three forms.</strong> Diminishment (making yourself smaller — "I'm Jewish, but…"), denial (disowning your Jewishness), and deployment (weaponizing it, as anti-Zionist Jews do). Diminishment is the most common.</li><li><strong>Only Jews define Jewish identity — the "non-Jewish gaze."</strong> Because the non-Jewish world both isn't Jewish and has been structured against Jews, its definitions of "palatable" Jewishness are illegitimate; allies should amplify Jewish perspectives, not speak over them.</li><li><strong>The indigeneity case.</strong> Applying the UN's criteria (he discards the "non-dominant group" one as post-colonial nonsense), he argues Jews meet them — continuous connection to the land, a land-rooted calendar and festivals, Hebrew beneath every diaspora language, Jews buried with soil from Jerusalem. Reframes "Eastern European Jews" as "Jews who <em>lived in</em> Eastern Europe."</li><li><strong>He won't litigate Palestinian indigeneity.</strong> "I'm a Jew telling a Jewish story." He notes questions about when a collective Palestinian national identity emerged, but says it ultimately doesn't change the reality: "they are still here and we need to deal with that."</li><li><strong>Anti-Zionism is antisemitism — no asterisk.</strong> Criticism of Israeli policy is legitimate; the line, per Sharansky's 3D test, is delegitimization, demonization, and double standards. "Israel purposely kills Palestinian children" or "harvests organs" isn't policy critique — it's blood libel.</li><li><strong>Head, Hands, Heart.</strong> A proudly Jewish next generation needs knowledge (head), practice (hands), and — the hardest — cultivated pride (heart), taught from kindergarten on.</li></ul><p><strong><br>Notable Quotes<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>"The greatest achievement of the Jewish people is not Israel. The greatest achievement of the Jewish people is the Jewish people, and Israel is a major manifestation of that."</li><li>"I was failed in an essay because I would not say that Israel was the worst country in the world — and that was direct feedback given to me by a professor."</li><li>"Jews are not a religion. We're a people with a religion. The idea that we're a religion comes from Christianity."</li><li>"We're in an abusive relationship with the non-Jewish world… you try, you try, you try — and then the goalposts move."</li><li>"You've given me such space to define my own identity — but with my Jewishness, you feel comfortable telling me what I am. That's the progressive world right there."</li><li>"Grow up. Stop being so entitled. You as an individual do not get to change a 3,000-year-old civilization."</li></ul><p>📚 Ben M. Freeman — the Jewish Pride trilogy: • <em>Jewish Pride: Rebuilding a People</em>(2021) — <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Pride-Rebuilding-Ben-Freeman/dp/1913532135">https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Pride-Rebuilding-Ben-Freeman/dp/1913532135</a> • <em>Reclaiming Our Story: The Pursuit of Jewish Pride</em> (2022) — <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-Our-Story-Pursuit-Jewish/dp/1915036321">https://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-Our-Story-Pursuit-Jewish/dp/1915036321</a> • <em>The Jews: An Indigenous People</em> (2025) — <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Jews-Indigenous-Ben-M-Freeman/dp/1916797474">https://www.amazon.com/Jews-Indigenous-Ben-M-Freeman/dp/1916797474</a> ✍️ His Substack, The Jewish Pride Press — <a href="https://ben126.substack.com/">https://ben126.substack.com/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The founder of the Jewish Pride movement says Jews have spent so long fighting for the right to exist that they've forgotten how to be proud that they do. Ben M. Freeman — a gay Jewish kid from Glasgow who had to come out twice, first as gay and then as an unapologetic Zionist — joins Ben Chertoff to make the affirmative case: that Jews are not a religion but a people, an ancient civilization indigenous to the Land of Israel, and that pride, not defense, is the real answer to Jew-hatred. Along the way: internalized antisemitism and his "three D's," the "non-Jewish gaze," why he reframes "Eastern European Jews" as "Jews who <em>lived in</em> Eastern Europe," the UN's own criteria for indigeneity, and why he says anti-Zionism is antisemitism — no asterisk.</p><p><strong><br>Key Takeaways<br></strong><br></p><ul><li><strong>Pride, not defense, is the point.</strong> Freeman's whole project is affirmative: "Jewish pride is the root to fighting Jew-hatred." You can't fight antisemitism, he argues, unless you're first proud to be a Jew.</li><li><strong>Jews are a people, not a religion.</strong> His "hill to die on": Judaism is equivalent to Jewishness — an <em>Am</em>, a civilization with a religion — and defining Jews <em>only</em> as a faith is a Christian import that creates endless contradictions.</li><li><strong>Internalized antisemitism has three forms.</strong> Diminishment (making yourself smaller — "I'm Jewish, but…"), denial (disowning your Jewishness), and deployment (weaponizing it, as anti-Zionist Jews do). Diminishment is the most common.</li><li><strong>Only Jews define Jewish identity — the "non-Jewish gaze."</strong> Because the non-Jewish world both isn't Jewish and has been structured against Jews, its definitions of "palatable" Jewishness are illegitimate; allies should amplify Jewish perspectives, not speak over them.</li><li><strong>The indigeneity case.</strong> Applying the UN's criteria (he discards the "non-dominant group" one as post-colonial nonsense), he argues Jews meet them — continuous connection to the land, a land-rooted calendar and festivals, Hebrew beneath every diaspora language, Jews buried with soil from Jerusalem. Reframes "Eastern European Jews" as "Jews who <em>lived in</em> Eastern Europe."</li><li><strong>He won't litigate Palestinian indigeneity.</strong> "I'm a Jew telling a Jewish story." He notes questions about when a collective Palestinian national identity emerged, but says it ultimately doesn't change the reality: "they are still here and we need to deal with that."</li><li><strong>Anti-Zionism is antisemitism — no asterisk.</strong> Criticism of Israeli policy is legitimate; the line, per Sharansky's 3D test, is delegitimization, demonization, and double standards. "Israel purposely kills Palestinian children" or "harvests organs" isn't policy critique — it's blood libel.</li><li><strong>Head, Hands, Heart.</strong> A proudly Jewish next generation needs knowledge (head), practice (hands), and — the hardest — cultivated pride (heart), taught from kindergarten on.</li></ul><p><strong><br>Notable Quotes<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>"The greatest achievement of the Jewish people is not Israel. The greatest achievement of the Jewish people is the Jewish people, and Israel is a major manifestation of that."</li><li>"I was failed in an essay because I would not say that Israel was the worst country in the world — and that was direct feedback given to me by a professor."</li><li>"Jews are not a religion. We're a people with a religion. The idea that we're a religion comes from Christianity."</li><li>"We're in an abusive relationship with the non-Jewish world… you try, you try, you try — and then the goalposts move."</li><li>"You've given me such space to define my own identity — but with my Jewishness, you feel comfortable telling me what I am. That's the progressive world right there."</li><li>"Grow up. Stop being so entitled. You as an individual do not get to change a 3,000-year-old civilization."</li></ul><p>📚 Ben M. Freeman — the Jewish Pride trilogy: • <em>Jewish Pride: Rebuilding a People</em>(2021) — <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Pride-Rebuilding-Ben-Freeman/dp/1913532135">https://www.amazon.com/Jewish-Pride-Rebuilding-Ben-Freeman/dp/1913532135</a> • <em>Reclaiming Our Story: The Pursuit of Jewish Pride</em> (2022) — <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-Our-Story-Pursuit-Jewish/dp/1915036321">https://www.amazon.com/Reclaiming-Our-Story-Pursuit-Jewish/dp/1915036321</a> • <em>The Jews: An Indigenous People</em> (2025) — <a href="https://www.amazon.com/Jews-Indigenous-Ben-M-Freeman/dp/1916797474">https://www.amazon.com/Jews-Indigenous-Ben-M-Freeman/dp/1916797474</a> ✍️ His Substack, The Jewish Pride Press — <a href="https://ben126.substack.com/">https://ben126.substack.com/</a></p>]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Garbage In, Gospel Out: Wikipedia, Reddit, and the Battle Over Truth | With Ashley Rindsberg</title>
      <itunes:episode>11</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>11</podcast:episode>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Episode Description<br></strong><br></p><p>When you ask ChatGPT, Google, or Gemini a question, where does the answer come from? Increasingly, it traces back to Wikipedia — and Wikipedia, investigative journalist <strong>Ashley Rindsberg</strong> argues, has been captured.</p><p>In this episode, Rindsberg walks through how a small, coordinated network of editors — a "gang of 40" — has reshaped the way Wikipedia presents Israel, Zionism, and the war in Gaza, and how those edits flow downstream into the AI systems the world now treats as neutral arbiters of fact. He breaks down the tactics: swarming, the 500-edit barrier, severing Jewish historical ties to the land, weaponizing arbitration, and laundering terror-linked content through Reddit and into the models.</p><p>It's a tour of the machinery behind the "narrative engines" — Wikipedia, Reddit, Google, and AI — and a sober look at what media literacy actually requires when the encyclopedia itself has a point of view.</p><p><strong>The Honest Take<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>Podcast (all platforms): <a href="https://thehonesttake.transistor.fm/">https://thehonesttake.transistor.fm</a></li><li>YouTube playlist: <a href="https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5</a></li><li>Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-honest-take/id1896315802">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-honest-take/id1896315802</a></li><li>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/1pCnClcM4jiggKP46YZGjG">https://open.spotify.com/show/1pCnClcM4jiggKP46YZGjG</a></li></ul><p><strong>HonestReporting</strong></p><ul><li>Web: <a href="https://honestreporting.com/">https://honestreporting.com</a></li><li>X / Instagram: <a href="https://x.com/HonestReporting">@HonestReporting</a></li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Episode Description<br></strong><br></p><p>When you ask ChatGPT, Google, or Gemini a question, where does the answer come from? Increasingly, it traces back to Wikipedia — and Wikipedia, investigative journalist <strong>Ashley Rindsberg</strong> argues, has been captured.</p><p>In this episode, Rindsberg walks through how a small, coordinated network of editors — a "gang of 40" — has reshaped the way Wikipedia presents Israel, Zionism, and the war in Gaza, and how those edits flow downstream into the AI systems the world now treats as neutral arbiters of fact. He breaks down the tactics: swarming, the 500-edit barrier, severing Jewish historical ties to the land, weaponizing arbitration, and laundering terror-linked content through Reddit and into the models.</p><p>It's a tour of the machinery behind the "narrative engines" — Wikipedia, Reddit, Google, and AI — and a sober look at what media literacy actually requires when the encyclopedia itself has a point of view.</p><p><strong>The Honest Take<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>Podcast (all platforms): <a href="https://thehonesttake.transistor.fm/">https://thehonesttake.transistor.fm</a></li><li>YouTube playlist: <a href="https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5</a></li><li>Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-honest-take/id1896315802">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-honest-take/id1896315802</a></li><li>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/1pCnClcM4jiggKP46YZGjG">https://open.spotify.com/show/1pCnClcM4jiggKP46YZGjG</a></li></ul><p><strong>HonestReporting</strong></p><ul><li>Web: <a href="https://honestreporting.com/">https://honestreporting.com</a></li><li>X / Instagram: <a href="https://x.com/HonestReporting">@HonestReporting</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2026 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Episode Description<br></strong><br></p><p>When you ask ChatGPT, Google, or Gemini a question, where does the answer come from? Increasingly, it traces back to Wikipedia — and Wikipedia, investigative journalist <strong>Ashley Rindsberg</strong> argues, has been captured.</p><p>In this episode, Rindsberg walks through how a small, coordinated network of editors — a "gang of 40" — has reshaped the way Wikipedia presents Israel, Zionism, and the war in Gaza, and how those edits flow downstream into the AI systems the world now treats as neutral arbiters of fact. He breaks down the tactics: swarming, the 500-edit barrier, severing Jewish historical ties to the land, weaponizing arbitration, and laundering terror-linked content through Reddit and into the models.</p><p>It's a tour of the machinery behind the "narrative engines" — Wikipedia, Reddit, Google, and AI — and a sober look at what media literacy actually requires when the encyclopedia itself has a point of view.</p><p><strong>The Honest Take<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>Podcast (all platforms): <a href="https://thehonesttake.transistor.fm/">https://thehonesttake.transistor.fm</a></li><li>YouTube playlist: <a href="https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5</a></li><li>Apple Podcasts: <a href="https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-honest-take/id1896315802">https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-honest-take/id1896315802</a></li><li>Spotify: <a href="https://open.spotify.com/show/1pCnClcM4jiggKP46YZGjG">https://open.spotify.com/show/1pCnClcM4jiggKP46YZGjG</a></li></ul><p><strong>HonestReporting</strong></p><ul><li>Web: <a href="https://honestreporting.com/">https://honestreporting.com</a></li><li>X / Instagram: <a href="https://x.com/HonestReporting">@HonestReporting</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>The Most Hated Man at the UN: How the United Nations Turned Against Israel | With Hillel Neuer</title>
      <itunes:episode>10</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>10</podcast:episode>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What does it feel like to walk into a room run by dictators and state sponsors of terror — and tell them the truth to their faces?</p><p>Hillel Neuer has done it for twenty years. As executive director of UN Watch in Geneva, he's become, by his own account and several media outlets', "the most hated man at the UN." In this conversation with Benjamin Chertoff, he explains the machinery behind the headlines: who actually writes the resolutions, how the "automatic majority" of 56 Muslim-majority states plus the dictatorships works, why Western democracies go along to get along, and how the Human Rights Council went from its founding chair Eleanor Roosevelt to a representative of Gaddafi's Libya.</p><p>They get into the Iran moment — the UN's near-silence on the massacre of Iranian protesters, followed by its sudden fury once the US and Israel struck the regime — and the case of Francesca Albanese, the Special Rapporteur condemned by France, Germany, Canada, the US and others for "Holocaust inversion" and antisemitism, who remains effectively unaccountable. Neuer breaks down the disinformation feedback loop (NGO → UN statement → "the UN says" → global press), the meaning of the Council's Israel-only "Agenda Item 7," and whether the institution can ever be fixed.</p><p>Guest: Hillel Neuer — Executive Director, UN Watch. Host: Benjamin Chertoff. From HonestReporting.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What does it feel like to walk into a room run by dictators and state sponsors of terror — and tell them the truth to their faces?</p><p>Hillel Neuer has done it for twenty years. As executive director of UN Watch in Geneva, he's become, by his own account and several media outlets', "the most hated man at the UN." In this conversation with Benjamin Chertoff, he explains the machinery behind the headlines: who actually writes the resolutions, how the "automatic majority" of 56 Muslim-majority states plus the dictatorships works, why Western democracies go along to get along, and how the Human Rights Council went from its founding chair Eleanor Roosevelt to a representative of Gaddafi's Libya.</p><p>They get into the Iran moment — the UN's near-silence on the massacre of Iranian protesters, followed by its sudden fury once the US and Israel struck the regime — and the case of Francesca Albanese, the Special Rapporteur condemned by France, Germany, Canada, the US and others for "Holocaust inversion" and antisemitism, who remains effectively unaccountable. Neuer breaks down the disinformation feedback loop (NGO → UN statement → "the UN says" → global press), the meaning of the Council's Israel-only "Agenda Item 7," and whether the institution can ever be fixed.</p><p>Guest: Hillel Neuer — Executive Director, UN Watch. Host: Benjamin Chertoff. From HonestReporting.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jun 2026 07:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>The Second Exodus: How 850,000 Jews Were Erased From the Arab World | With Dr. Henry Green</title>
      <itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>9</podcast:episode>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In 1948 there were 38,000 Jews in Libya. Today there are none. Across the Arab world, some 850,000 Jews — communities that predated Islam by a thousand years — were driven out, dispossessed, and denationalized in barely three decades. Most of the world has never heard the story.</p><p>Dr. Henry Green, founder of <strong>Sephardi Voices</strong> and emeritus professor at the University of Miami, has spent more than fifteen years recording the testimonies of those who lived it. In this conversation with Ben Chertoff, he traces how the Jews of Baghdad, Benghazi, Cairo, Casablanca, Aleppo and beyond went from flourishing — at one point Jews were 35–40% of Baghdad — to gone: the Farhud, the rise of the Mufti, Nazi propaganda in Arabic, the great rescue operations, the ma'abarot transit camps, and the long erasure of an entire refugee history.</p><p>Henry explains why this exodus was left out of the textbooks, what justice might look like, and why his new work puts a forensic dollar figure on what was taken — work he carried to the UN in Geneva in September 2025. And he closes with the story of a young Hillel president who found her own grandparents in the Sephardi Voices archive and wept.</p><p><strong>Guest:</strong> Dr. Henry Green — founder, Sephardi Voices; emeritus professor of Religious &amp; Judaic Studies, University of Miami. Co-author of <em>Sephardi Voices: The Untold Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Lands</em> (2021, with Richard Stern­berg) and author of new work, <em>The Forgotten Exodus of Arab Jews</em>, presenting a forensic valuation of seized Jewish assets.<br></p><ul><li>The scale of the exodus: From 150,000 to 3 Jews in Iraq, 38,000 to 0 Jews in Libya</li><li>Indigeneity and antiquity — the Talmud written in Babylon; "I'm a Babylonian Jew"</li><li>Life as <em>dhimmi</em> under Islam vs. persecution in Christian Europe</li><li>The Farhud (1941 Baghdad pogrom) and Nazi reach into the Arab world</li><li>Baghdad's golden age — Jews 35–40% of the city; the Zilkha banking family</li><li>The rescue operations: <strong>Magic Carpet</strong> (Yemen) and <strong>Ezra and Nehemiah</strong> (Iraq)</li><li>The ma'avarot transit camps and the dominant Ashkenazi diaspora narrative</li><li>Antisemitism vs. anti-Israel</li><li>The Abraham Accords and Morocco's reckoning</li><li>Recognition, justice, and reparations; the case taken to the UN in Geneva, September 2025</li></ul><p><strong><br>Notable quotes<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>"Libya in 1948 had 38,000 Jews. Today there are zero."</li><li>"I'm a Babylonian Jew." / "How can I deny that I'm Iraqi? I've been there for 3,000 years."</li><li>"I have no Jews. I only have Moroccans." — the King of Morocco</li><li>"Why would a million people leave in 30 years? That is ethnic cleansing."</li><li>"You can't talk about one refugee story without the other."</li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In 1948 there were 38,000 Jews in Libya. Today there are none. Across the Arab world, some 850,000 Jews — communities that predated Islam by a thousand years — were driven out, dispossessed, and denationalized in barely three decades. Most of the world has never heard the story.</p><p>Dr. Henry Green, founder of <strong>Sephardi Voices</strong> and emeritus professor at the University of Miami, has spent more than fifteen years recording the testimonies of those who lived it. In this conversation with Ben Chertoff, he traces how the Jews of Baghdad, Benghazi, Cairo, Casablanca, Aleppo and beyond went from flourishing — at one point Jews were 35–40% of Baghdad — to gone: the Farhud, the rise of the Mufti, Nazi propaganda in Arabic, the great rescue operations, the ma'abarot transit camps, and the long erasure of an entire refugee history.</p><p>Henry explains why this exodus was left out of the textbooks, what justice might look like, and why his new work puts a forensic dollar figure on what was taken — work he carried to the UN in Geneva in September 2025. And he closes with the story of a young Hillel president who found her own grandparents in the Sephardi Voices archive and wept.</p><p><strong>Guest:</strong> Dr. Henry Green — founder, Sephardi Voices; emeritus professor of Religious &amp; Judaic Studies, University of Miami. Co-author of <em>Sephardi Voices: The Untold Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Lands</em> (2021, with Richard Stern­berg) and author of new work, <em>The Forgotten Exodus of Arab Jews</em>, presenting a forensic valuation of seized Jewish assets.<br></p><ul><li>The scale of the exodus: From 150,000 to 3 Jews in Iraq, 38,000 to 0 Jews in Libya</li><li>Indigeneity and antiquity — the Talmud written in Babylon; "I'm a Babylonian Jew"</li><li>Life as <em>dhimmi</em> under Islam vs. persecution in Christian Europe</li><li>The Farhud (1941 Baghdad pogrom) and Nazi reach into the Arab world</li><li>Baghdad's golden age — Jews 35–40% of the city; the Zilkha banking family</li><li>The rescue operations: <strong>Magic Carpet</strong> (Yemen) and <strong>Ezra and Nehemiah</strong> (Iraq)</li><li>The ma'avarot transit camps and the dominant Ashkenazi diaspora narrative</li><li>Antisemitism vs. anti-Israel</li><li>The Abraham Accords and Morocco's reckoning</li><li>Recognition, justice, and reparations; the case taken to the UN in Geneva, September 2025</li></ul><p><strong><br>Notable quotes<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>"Libya in 1948 had 38,000 Jews. Today there are zero."</li><li>"I'm a Babylonian Jew." / "How can I deny that I'm Iraqi? I've been there for 3,000 years."</li><li>"I have no Jews. I only have Moroccans." — the King of Morocco</li><li>"Why would a million people leave in 30 years? That is ethnic cleansing."</li><li>"You can't talk about one refugee story without the other."</li></ul>]]>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2026 06:27:47 -0400</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In 1948 there were 38,000 Jews in Libya. Today there are none. Across the Arab world, some 850,000 Jews — communities that predated Islam by a thousand years — were driven out, dispossessed, and denationalized in barely three decades. Most of the world has never heard the story.</p><p>Dr. Henry Green, founder of <strong>Sephardi Voices</strong> and emeritus professor at the University of Miami, has spent more than fifteen years recording the testimonies of those who lived it. In this conversation with Ben Chertoff, he traces how the Jews of Baghdad, Benghazi, Cairo, Casablanca, Aleppo and beyond went from flourishing — at one point Jews were 35–40% of Baghdad — to gone: the Farhud, the rise of the Mufti, Nazi propaganda in Arabic, the great rescue operations, the ma'abarot transit camps, and the long erasure of an entire refugee history.</p><p>Henry explains why this exodus was left out of the textbooks, what justice might look like, and why his new work puts a forensic dollar figure on what was taken — work he carried to the UN in Geneva in September 2025. And he closes with the story of a young Hillel president who found her own grandparents in the Sephardi Voices archive and wept.</p><p><strong>Guest:</strong> Dr. Henry Green — founder, Sephardi Voices; emeritus professor of Religious &amp; Judaic Studies, University of Miami. Co-author of <em>Sephardi Voices: The Untold Expulsion of Jews from the Arab Lands</em> (2021, with Richard Stern­berg) and author of new work, <em>The Forgotten Exodus of Arab Jews</em>, presenting a forensic valuation of seized Jewish assets.<br></p><ul><li>The scale of the exodus: From 150,000 to 3 Jews in Iraq, 38,000 to 0 Jews in Libya</li><li>Indigeneity and antiquity — the Talmud written in Babylon; "I'm a Babylonian Jew"</li><li>Life as <em>dhimmi</em> under Islam vs. persecution in Christian Europe</li><li>The Farhud (1941 Baghdad pogrom) and Nazi reach into the Arab world</li><li>Baghdad's golden age — Jews 35–40% of the city; the Zilkha banking family</li><li>The rescue operations: <strong>Magic Carpet</strong> (Yemen) and <strong>Ezra and Nehemiah</strong> (Iraq)</li><li>The ma'avarot transit camps and the dominant Ashkenazi diaspora narrative</li><li>Antisemitism vs. anti-Israel</li><li>The Abraham Accords and Morocco's reckoning</li><li>Recognition, justice, and reparations; the case taken to the UN in Geneva, September 2025</li></ul><p><strong><br>Notable quotes<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>"Libya in 1948 had 38,000 Jews. Today there are zero."</li><li>"I'm a Babylonian Jew." / "How can I deny that I'm Iraqi? I've been there for 3,000 years."</li><li>"I have no Jews. I only have Moroccans." — the King of Morocco</li><li>"Why would a million people leave in 30 years? That is ethnic cleansing."</li><li>"You can't talk about one refugee story without the other."</li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Pride and Prejudice: How Antisemitism Captured LGBTQ+ Spaces | With Eve Barlow</title>
      <itunes:episode>8</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>8</podcast:episode>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's Pride Month, and at a queer women's sauna night in Barcelona, two married Jewish women — wearing Stars of David — were surrounded, interrogated, and thrown out to chants of "Free Palestine." Not in Tehran. Not in Gaza. In a room built on the promise that no one gets turned away for who they are.</p><p>Journalist <strong>Eve Barlow</strong> knows these spaces from the inside. She was deputy editor of <em>NME</em> — the biggest weekly music magazine in the world — broke bands, wrote the cover stories, and built LGBTQ+ coverage from scratch at <em>GQ</em>. She was at the beating heart of progressive culture. Then, around 2019, she said one thing out loud: that the anti-Zionism rising around her was antisemitism wearing a new coat. The world that let her in turned on her. She named her newsletter after what they did to her — <strong>Blacklisted</strong>.</p><p>In this conversation, Eve and host <strong>Ben Chertoff</strong> go past the headlines on:</p><ul><li>The <strong>Barcelona sauna incident</strong> — and why the perpetrators were elites (a university sociologist, a lawyer, a teacher), not the ignorant</li><li>Where <strong>"Queers for Palestine"</strong> actually comes from — the queer-theory and post-colonial lineage that turned a civil-rights movement into an oppressor/oppressed morality play</li><li>Why marginalization became a <strong>political identity</strong> the movement can't put down — and the eerie parallel to how Jews went from "oppressed" to "oppressor"</li><li>The <strong>"as-a-Jew" anti-Zionists</strong> — Matt Bernstein, Zach Polanski — and the market that rewards them</li><li>The <strong>pinkwashing</strong> smear, flipped on its head: Israel's real LGBTQ+ record vs. the rest of the region</li><li>Released hostage <strong>Emily Damari</strong>, and the particular vulnerability of being openly gay in captivity</li><li>And a closing message to the <strong>queer Jewish kid</strong> who's been told to choose between their people and their pride</li></ul><p>Eve's argument: Pride began as a celebration of how far people had come in a single generation. Somewhere along the way it inverted — from celebrating victory into a contest over who is most oppressed. The moment a people succeeds, it gets recast as the oppressor. Her answer isn't to shrink. It's to refuse the trade.</p><p><strong>Eve Barlow's links<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>📰 <em>Blacklisted</em> (Substack): <a href="https://evebarlow.substack.com/">https://evebarlow.substack.com</a></li><li>✍️ "Queers for Zion" (SAPIR Journal): <a href="https://sapirjournal.org/aspiration-ii/2026/queers-for-zion/">https://sapirjournal.org/aspiration-ii/2026/queers-for-zion/</a></li><li>𝕏 <a href="https://x.com/Eve_Barlow">https://x.com/Eve_Barlow</a></li><li>📸 Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/evebarlow">https://instagram.com/evebarlow</a></li></ul><p><strong>Chapters<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>(00:00) Cold open</li><li>(00:18) Welcome — who is Eve Barlow</li><li>(02:08) The Barcelona sauna incident</li><li>(06:52) An outlier, or an epidemic?</li><li>(11:34) From <em>NME</em> and <em>GQ</em> to fighting Jew-hatred</li><li>(20:35) The writing on the wall: BDS, London, and leaving the UK</li><li>(28:09) Where "Queers for Palestine" comes from: queer theory &amp; post-colonialism</li><li>(35:36) Marginalization as political pathology</li><li>(42:26) Moral superiority and the activist "cult"</li><li>(48:22) Building a new closet: "take off your Magen David"</li><li>(52:42) The "as-a-Jew" anti-Zionists: Matt Bernstein &amp; Zach Polanski</li><li>(57:19) Pinkwashing — and Israel's real LGBTQ+ record</li><li>(1:02:17) Most rights in the region — and still room to grow</li><li>(1:04:13) "Queers for Zion" and Emily Damari in captivity</li><li>(1:08:52) To the queer Jewish kid told to choose</li><li>(1:12:04) Where to find Eve's work</li><li>(1:12:41) Ben's final reflection</li></ul><p><strong>The Honest Take</strong> goes past the headlines to find out what's actually true about Israel and the people covering it. Hosted by Ben Chertoff for HonestReporting.</p><p>▶️ Watch on YouTube: <a href="https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5</a> 🎧 Listen everywhere: <a href="https://thehonesttake.transistor.fm/">https://thehonesttake.transistor.fm<br></a><br></p><p>If this conversation made you think, do us one favor: <strong>leave a rating and a review</strong>wherever you're listening — it's the single biggest thing that helps new people find the show. And follow <strong>HonestReporting</strong> on Instagram, X, TikTok, and Facebook.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>It's Pride Month, and at a queer women's sauna night in Barcelona, two married Jewish women — wearing Stars of David — were surrounded, interrogated, and thrown out to chants of "Free Palestine." Not in Tehran. Not in Gaza. In a room built on the promise that no one gets turned away for who they are.</p><p>Journalist <strong>Eve Barlow</strong> knows these spaces from the inside. She was deputy editor of <em>NME</em> — the biggest weekly music magazine in the world — broke bands, wrote the cover stories, and built LGBTQ+ coverage from scratch at <em>GQ</em>. She was at the beating heart of progressive culture. Then, around 2019, she said one thing out loud: that the anti-Zionism rising around her was antisemitism wearing a new coat. The world that let her in turned on her. She named her newsletter after what they did to her — <strong>Blacklisted</strong>.</p><p>In this conversation, Eve and host <strong>Ben Chertoff</strong> go past the headlines on:</p><ul><li>The <strong>Barcelona sauna incident</strong> — and why the perpetrators were elites (a university sociologist, a lawyer, a teacher), not the ignorant</li><li>Where <strong>"Queers for Palestine"</strong> actually comes from — the queer-theory and post-colonial lineage that turned a civil-rights movement into an oppressor/oppressed morality play</li><li>Why marginalization became a <strong>political identity</strong> the movement can't put down — and the eerie parallel to how Jews went from "oppressed" to "oppressor"</li><li>The <strong>"as-a-Jew" anti-Zionists</strong> — Matt Bernstein, Zach Polanski — and the market that rewards them</li><li>The <strong>pinkwashing</strong> smear, flipped on its head: Israel's real LGBTQ+ record vs. the rest of the region</li><li>Released hostage <strong>Emily Damari</strong>, and the particular vulnerability of being openly gay in captivity</li><li>And a closing message to the <strong>queer Jewish kid</strong> who's been told to choose between their people and their pride</li></ul><p>Eve's argument: Pride began as a celebration of how far people had come in a single generation. Somewhere along the way it inverted — from celebrating victory into a contest over who is most oppressed. The moment a people succeeds, it gets recast as the oppressor. Her answer isn't to shrink. It's to refuse the trade.</p><p><strong>Eve Barlow's links<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>📰 <em>Blacklisted</em> (Substack): <a href="https://evebarlow.substack.com/">https://evebarlow.substack.com</a></li><li>✍️ "Queers for Zion" (SAPIR Journal): <a href="https://sapirjournal.org/aspiration-ii/2026/queers-for-zion/">https://sapirjournal.org/aspiration-ii/2026/queers-for-zion/</a></li><li>𝕏 <a href="https://x.com/Eve_Barlow">https://x.com/Eve_Barlow</a></li><li>📸 Instagram: <a href="https://instagram.com/evebarlow">https://instagram.com/evebarlow</a></li></ul><p><strong>Chapters<br></strong><br></p><ul><li>(00:00) Cold open</li><li>(00:18) Welcome — who is Eve Barlow</li><li>(02:08) The Barcelona sauna incident</li><li>(06:52) An outlier, or an epidemic?</li><li>(11:34) From <em>NME</em> and <em>GQ</em> to fighting Jew-hatred</li><li>(20:35) The writing on the wall: BDS, London, and leaving the UK</li><li>(28:09) Where "Queers for Palestine" comes from: queer theory &amp; post-colonialism</li><li>(35:36) Marginalization as political pathology</li><li>(42:26) Moral superiority and the activist "cult"</li><li>(48:22) Building a new closet: "take off your Magen David"</li><li>(52:42) The "as-a-Jew" anti-Zionists: Matt Bernstein &amp; Zach Polanski</li><li>(57:19) Pinkwashing — and Israel's real LGBTQ+ record</li><li>(1:02:17) Most rights in the region — and still room to grow</li><li>(1:04:13) "Queers for Zion" and Emily Damari in captivity</li><li>(1:08:52) To the queer Jewish kid told to choose</li><li>(1:12:04) Where to find Eve's work</li><li>(1:12:41) Ben's final reflection</li></ul><p><strong>The Honest Take</strong> goes past the headlines to find out what's actually true about Israel and the people covering it. Hosted by Ben Chertoff for HonestReporting.</p><p>▶️ Watch on YouTube: <a href="https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5">https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLLuF-lEHTGTw_RrfN9EP6pdWhgjMX7Fg5</a> 🎧 Listen everywhere: <a href="https://thehonesttake.transistor.fm/">https://thehonesttake.transistor.fm<br></a><br></p><p>If this conversation made you think, do us one favor: <strong>leave a rating and a review</strong>wherever you're listening — it's the single biggest thing that helps new people find the show. And follow <strong>HonestReporting</strong> on Instagram, X, TikTok, and Facebook.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In 2012, Dr. Charles Asher Small pulled an all-nighter at Stanford, started googling a Yale administrator, and stumbled onto a money trail that became one of the most consequential antisemitism research projects in the West. The founder of ISGAP — which he launched in 2003 alongside Elie Wiesel — joins Ben Chertoff to lay out what he found: an estimated $100 billion in undisclosed Qatari money flowing into American universities, $10 billion to Cornell, $1.3 billion to Texas A&amp;M, a K-12 curriculum in 8,000 American classrooms that erased Israel from the map, and a campus-to-City-Hall pipeline that runs all the way to the mayor of New York. We also press him on the hardest question: where the documented paper trail ends and connect-the-dots begins.</p><ul><li><strong>ISGAP:</strong> <a href="https://isgap.org">https://isgap.org</a> — publications free to the public.</li><li><strong>"Follow the Money" project</strong> — Qatar / Muslim Brotherhood university funding research.</li><li><strong>DETERRENT Act</strong> — federal bill (passed the House, before the Senate) lowering the foreign-gift disclosure threshold from $250K to $50K.</li><li><strong>New (May 2026) ISGAP report — "Institutional Capture: Qatar Foundation International":</strong> <a href="https://isgap.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/QFI-US-Report.pdf">https://isgap.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/QFI-US-Report.pdf</a> — published the day after this taping; documents $65.3M across 220 K-12/education programs (2009–2025).</li></ul><p></p><ul><li>(00:00) - — Cold open:** "$10 billion to Cornell" — the white-sheets vs. keffiyehs analogy.</li>
<li>(00:47) - — Who is Charles Small &amp; what is ISGAP:** 23 years tracing Qatar's money into American universities.</li>
<li>(01:16) - — The 2012 discovery:** A Yale administrator, a Stanford all-nighter, and the thread that became "Follow the Money."</li>
<li>(03:26) - — 2003 &amp; Elie Wiesel:** Co-founding ISGAP at the UN — "a time of a great emergency."</li>
<li>(05:14) - — Mamdani, SJP &amp; what the Muslim Brotherhood actually is:** From a Bowdoin chapter to City Hall; the Protocols at the core of the ideology.</li>
<li>(08:25) - — Why the West keeps missing it:** The "failure of imagination" and the 50-year strategic goal.</li>
<li>(11:17) - — Inside "Follow the Money":** $3 billion → $18 billion → $100 billion; the Qatar–Muslim Brotherhood oath.</li>
<li>(16:59) - — How the research works:** Texas A&amp;M's $1.3B contract, Georgetown, and $10B to Cornell — all open-source.</li>
<li>(19:29) - — Columbia reported $0:** The disclosure laws on the books since WWII that no one enforces.</li>
<li>(22:26) - — The 300% statistic:** Soft power, correlation vs. causation, and a university's "sacred responsibility."</li>
<li>(26:23) - — The DETERRENT Act:** Where the federal investigations stand now.</li>
<li>(28:15) - — K-12 capture:** Brown's "Choices" curriculum in 8,000+ American classrooms.</li>
<li>(31:19) - — How campus ideas filter into society:** Edward Said, and the chilling parallel to the 19th-century academy.</li>
<li>(33:59) - — The Columbia teach-in, 10 days after October 7:** When gender-studies professors called the massacre "justified."</li>
<li>(38:18) - — The Red-Green coalition &amp; Judith Butler:** Why the radical left and Islamists converge.</li>
<li>(43:35) - — Soft power, silence &amp; the Iran test:** The pogrom that the campus left wouldn't condemn.</li>
<li>(47:41) - — Where else the money lands:** Al Jazeera, the Qatar–CNN deal, Northwestern, social media.</li>
<li>(49:13) - — JVP, SJP &amp; Neville Singham's network:** Following the money behind "Jewish Voice for Peace."</li>
<li>(51:41) - — Mamdani:** "Of course he knows what he's doing."</li>
<li>(55:40) - — Allies in the Arab world &amp; the three centers of the Brotherhood:** Qatar (money), Turkey (command), London (laundering).</li>
<li>(57:13) - — How do you fight an idea?:** Lessons from defeating communism and fascism.</li>
<li>(01:00:43) - — What's next for ISGAP:** New reports on Canada, the UK, South Africa — and the Muslim Brotherhood terror designation.</li>
<li>(01:03:37) - — Where to find ISGAP's work.**</li>
<li>(01:04:10) - — Ben's close:** "The emergency didn't arrive by accident."</li>
</ul><a href="https://share.transistor.fm/s/a2cab599/transcript" title="Click here to view the episode transcript.">Click here to view the episode transcript.</a><br>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In 2012, Dr. Charles Asher Small pulled an all-nighter at Stanford, started googling a Yale administrator, and stumbled onto a money trail that became one of the most consequential antisemitism research projects in the West. The founder of ISGAP — which he launched in 2003 alongside Elie Wiesel — joins Ben Chertoff to lay out what he found: an estimated $100 billion in undisclosed Qatari money flowing into American universities, $10 billion to Cornell, $1.3 billion to Texas A&amp;M, a K-12 curriculum in 8,000 American classrooms that erased Israel from the map, and a campus-to-City-Hall pipeline that runs all the way to the mayor of New York. We also press him on the hardest question: where the documented paper trail ends and connect-the-dots begins.</p><ul><li><strong>ISGAP:</strong> <a href="https://isgap.org">https://isgap.org</a> — publications free to the public.</li><li><strong>"Follow the Money" project</strong> — Qatar / Muslim Brotherhood university funding research.</li><li><strong>DETERRENT Act</strong> — federal bill (passed the House, before the Senate) lowering the foreign-gift disclosure threshold from $250K to $50K.</li><li><strong>New (May 2026) ISGAP report — "Institutional Capture: Qatar Foundation International":</strong> <a href="https://isgap.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/QFI-US-Report.pdf">https://isgap.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/QFI-US-Report.pdf</a> — published the day after this taping; documents $65.3M across 220 K-12/education programs (2009–2025).</li></ul><p></p><ul><li>(00:00) - — Cold open:** "$10 billion to Cornell" — the white-sheets vs. keffiyehs analogy.</li>
<li>(00:47) - — Who is Charles Small &amp; what is ISGAP:** 23 years tracing Qatar's money into American universities.</li>
<li>(01:16) - — The 2012 discovery:** A Yale administrator, a Stanford all-nighter, and the thread that became "Follow the Money."</li>
<li>(03:26) - — 2003 &amp; Elie Wiesel:** Co-founding ISGAP at the UN — "a time of a great emergency."</li>
<li>(05:14) - — Mamdani, SJP &amp; what the Muslim Brotherhood actually is:** From a Bowdoin chapter to City Hall; the Protocols at the core of the ideology.</li>
<li>(08:25) - — Why the West keeps missing it:** The "failure of imagination" and the 50-year strategic goal.</li>
<li>(11:17) - — Inside "Follow the Money":** $3 billion → $18 billion → $100 billion; the Qatar–Muslim Brotherhood oath.</li>
<li>(16:59) - — How the research works:** Texas A&amp;M's $1.3B contract, Georgetown, and $10B to Cornell — all open-source.</li>
<li>(19:29) - — Columbia reported $0:** The disclosure laws on the books since WWII that no one enforces.</li>
<li>(22:26) - — The 300% statistic:** Soft power, correlation vs. causation, and a university's "sacred responsibility."</li>
<li>(26:23) - — The DETERRENT Act:** Where the federal investigations stand now.</li>
<li>(28:15) - — K-12 capture:** Brown's "Choices" curriculum in 8,000+ American classrooms.</li>
<li>(31:19) - — How campus ideas filter into society:** Edward Said, and the chilling parallel to the 19th-century academy.</li>
<li>(33:59) - — The Columbia teach-in, 10 days after October 7:** When gender-studies professors called the massacre "justified."</li>
<li>(38:18) - — The Red-Green coalition &amp; Judith Butler:** Why the radical left and Islamists converge.</li>
<li>(43:35) - — Soft power, silence &amp; the Iran test:** The pogrom that the campus left wouldn't condemn.</li>
<li>(47:41) - — Where else the money lands:** Al Jazeera, the Qatar–CNN deal, Northwestern, social media.</li>
<li>(49:13) - — JVP, SJP &amp; Neville Singham's network:** Following the money behind "Jewish Voice for Peace."</li>
<li>(51:41) - — Mamdani:** "Of course he knows what he's doing."</li>
<li>(55:40) - — Allies in the Arab world &amp; the three centers of the Brotherhood:** Qatar (money), Turkey (command), London (laundering).</li>
<li>(57:13) - — How do you fight an idea?:** Lessons from defeating communism and fascism.</li>
<li>(01:00:43) - — What's next for ISGAP:** New reports on Canada, the UK, South Africa — and the Muslim Brotherhood terror designation.</li>
<li>(01:03:37) - — Where to find ISGAP's work.**</li>
<li>(01:04:10) - — Ben's close:** "The emergency didn't arrive by accident."</li>
</ul><a href="https://share.transistor.fm/s/a2cab599/transcript" title="Click here to view the episode transcript.">Click here to view the episode transcript.</a><br>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In 2012, Dr. Charles Asher Small pulled an all-nighter at Stanford, started googling a Yale administrator, and stumbled onto a money trail that became one of the most consequential antisemitism research projects in the West. The founder of ISGAP — which he launched in 2003 alongside Elie Wiesel — joins Ben Chertoff to lay out what he found: an estimated $100 billion in undisclosed Qatari money flowing into American universities, $10 billion to Cornell, $1.3 billion to Texas A&amp;M, a K-12 curriculum in 8,000 American classrooms that erased Israel from the map, and a campus-to-City-Hall pipeline that runs all the way to the mayor of New York. We also press him on the hardest question: where the documented paper trail ends and connect-the-dots begins.</p><ul><li><strong>ISGAP:</strong> <a href="https://isgap.org">https://isgap.org</a> — publications free to the public.</li><li><strong>"Follow the Money" project</strong> — Qatar / Muslim Brotherhood university funding research.</li><li><strong>DETERRENT Act</strong> — federal bill (passed the House, before the Senate) lowering the foreign-gift disclosure threshold from $250K to $50K.</li><li><strong>New (May 2026) ISGAP report — "Institutional Capture: Qatar Foundation International":</strong> <a href="https://isgap.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/QFI-US-Report.pdf">https://isgap.org/wp-content/uploads/2026/05/QFI-US-Report.pdf</a> — published the day after this taping; documents $65.3M across 220 K-12/education programs (2009–2025).</li></ul><p></p><ul><li>(00:00) - — Cold open:** "$10 billion to Cornell" — the white-sheets vs. keffiyehs analogy.</li>
<li>(00:47) - — Who is Charles Small &amp; what is ISGAP:** 23 years tracing Qatar's money into American universities.</li>
<li>(01:16) - — The 2012 discovery:** A Yale administrator, a Stanford all-nighter, and the thread that became "Follow the Money."</li>
<li>(03:26) - — 2003 &amp; Elie Wiesel:** Co-founding ISGAP at the UN — "a time of a great emergency."</li>
<li>(05:14) - — Mamdani, SJP &amp; what the Muslim Brotherhood actually is:** From a Bowdoin chapter to City Hall; the Protocols at the core of the ideology.</li>
<li>(08:25) - — Why the West keeps missing it:** The "failure of imagination" and the 50-year strategic goal.</li>
<li>(11:17) - — Inside "Follow the Money":** $3 billion → $18 billion → $100 billion; the Qatar–Muslim Brotherhood oath.</li>
<li>(16:59) - — How the research works:** Texas A&amp;M's $1.3B contract, Georgetown, and $10B to Cornell — all open-source.</li>
<li>(19:29) - — Columbia reported $0:** The disclosure laws on the books since WWII that no one enforces.</li>
<li>(22:26) - — The 300% statistic:** Soft power, correlation vs. causation, and a university's "sacred responsibility."</li>
<li>(26:23) - — The DETERRENT Act:** Where the federal investigations stand now.</li>
<li>(28:15) - — K-12 capture:** Brown's "Choices" curriculum in 8,000+ American classrooms.</li>
<li>(31:19) - — How campus ideas filter into society:** Edward Said, and the chilling parallel to the 19th-century academy.</li>
<li>(33:59) - — The Columbia teach-in, 10 days after October 7:** When gender-studies professors called the massacre "justified."</li>
<li>(38:18) - — The Red-Green coalition &amp; Judith Butler:** Why the radical left and Islamists converge.</li>
<li>(43:35) - — Soft power, silence &amp; the Iran test:** The pogrom that the campus left wouldn't condemn.</li>
<li>(47:41) - — Where else the money lands:** Al Jazeera, the Qatar–CNN deal, Northwestern, social media.</li>
<li>(49:13) - — JVP, SJP &amp; Neville Singham's network:** Following the money behind "Jewish Voice for Peace."</li>
<li>(51:41) - — Mamdani:** "Of course he knows what he's doing."</li>
<li>(55:40) - — Allies in the Arab world &amp; the three centers of the Brotherhood:** Qatar (money), Turkey (command), London (laundering).</li>
<li>(57:13) - — How do you fight an idea?:** Lessons from defeating communism and fascism.</li>
<li>(01:00:43) - — What's next for ISGAP:** New reports on Canada, the UK, South Africa — and the Muslim Brotherhood terror designation.</li>
<li>(01:03:37) - — Where to find ISGAP's work.**</li>
<li>(01:04:10) - — Ben's close:** "The emergency didn't arrive by accident."</li>
</ul><a href="https://share.transistor.fm/s/a2cab599/transcript" title="Click here to view the episode transcript.">Click here to view the episode transcript.</a><br>
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      <title>Weaponizing Identity Politics to Demonize Israel and Jews | With David Christopher Kaufman</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What happens when the very system built to protect minorities leaves Jews out entirely - and then gets turned against them?</p><p>David Christopher Kaufman is a journalist, a Black man, and a Jew. That combination gives him a lens on American identity politics that almost no one else has. In this conversation, he argues that October 7th didn't just expose antisemitism - it exposed the structural failure of the DEI framework to account for Jews at all. The result: Jews now have the highest hate crime rate of any group in America, and yet they're the only minority expected to argue for their own victimhood before anyone will believe them.</p><p>We talk about Zohran Mamdani's rise and what it tells us about where the DSA and the progressive left are actually headed. We talk about the word "Zio" - which Kaufman says hit him the same way the N-word does. And we talk about why he believes Jewish safety is the defining civil rights issue of this moment - and why American Jewish leadership is failing to say so out loud.</p><p><strong>David Christopher Kaufman</strong> is opinion editor at the <em>Daily Mail</em>, former editor at the <em>New York Post</em>, and author of the Substack <em>Counterintuitive</em>.</p><p>Follow David: <a href="http://davidkaufman.substack.com">davidkaufman.substack.com</a></p><p>---</p><p><strong>HonestReporting</strong> is a media watchdog holding the press accountable on Israel coverage.</p><p>Website: <a href="http://honestreporting.com">honestreporting.com</a></p><p>YouTube: <a href="http://youtube.com/@honestreportingvideo">youtube.com/@honestreportingvideo</a></p>]]>
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      <title>The Lawfare War Against Israel: Why the West Is Next | With Natasha Hausdorff</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>British-Israeli barrister Natasha Hausdorff has spent years inside the world's most powerful international courtrooms — the ICJ, ICC, and UN — watching the legal case against Israel get built in real time. She joins Ben Chertoff to take the genocide accusation apart, piece by piece.</p><p>The ICJ never said Israel committed genocide — so why does every headline say it did? The ICC issued arrest warrants for Netanyahu and Gallant on a legal standard that inverted the burden of proof. And right now, three countries are quietly trying to rewrite the Genocide Convention itself — to eliminate the intent requirement that separates genocide from ordinary warfare. If they succeed, no Western democracy will ever again be able to fight a non-state actor without facing genocide charges.</p><p>Israel is the test case. Hausdorff explains who's running the play — and what comes next.</p><p><strong>Natasha Hausdorff</strong> is a British-Israeli barrister and Pro Bono Legal Director of <a href="https://www.uklfi.com">UK Lawyers for Israel (UKLFI)</a>. She holds a BA/MA from Oxford and an LL.M. from Tel Aviv University in international law and the law of armed conflict. She was a Fellow at Columbia Law School's National Security Law Programme and clerked for Chief Justice Miriam Naor, President of the Israeli Supreme Court. Her family has lived in Israel for eight consecutive generations since 1847.</p><p>Hausdorff is the founding director of the Centre for International Rule of Law and appears regularly on BBC, Sky News, Fox News, CNN, and Times Radio. She has briefed parliaments across Europe and addressed the UN Security Council.</p><ul><li><a href="https://www.uklfi.com">UK Lawyers for Israel (UKLFI)</a></li><li><a href="https://www.uklfi.com/icj-president-confirms-it-did-not-find-there-is-a-plausible-case-that-israel-is-committing-genocide">Joan Donoghue HARDtalk — ICJ president corrects the record</a></li><li><a href="https://www.skeptic.com/article/when-genocide-loses-its-meaning-law-war-gaza/">Daniel Bernstein, "When Genocide Loses Its Meaning" — <em>Skeptic</em>, May 2026</a></li><li><a href="https://www.forcesnews.com/middle-east/operational-environment-gaza-nothing-ive-seen-says-former-british-dsaceur">Sir John McColl on IDF urban warfare — Forces News</a></li><li><a href="https://www.johnspenceronline.com/urban-warfare">John Spencer on urban warfare —</a> <a href="http://johnspenceronline.com">johnspenceronline.com</a></li><li><a href="https://zeteo.com/p/karim-khan-un-investigation-israel">Karim Khan interviewed by Mehdi Hasan — Zeteo</a></li><li><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MpujQ_y3RU">Piers Morgan Uncensored: Natasha Hausdorff (June 2025)</a></li><li><a href="https://unwatch.org/the-u-n-cant-handle-the-truth-from-natasha-hausdorff/">UN Watch testimony — Natasha Hausdorff (Oct 2025)</a></li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Kristof's Unbelievable Tale | With Rachel O'Donoghue *Live Broadcast May 12, 2026*</title>
      <itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On May 11, Nicholas Kristof published a column in the New York Times titled <em>"The Silence That Meets the Rape of Palestinians"</em> - a 1,500-word piece alleging systematic sexual violence by Israeli security forces, grounded in anonymous testimonies and sources with documented histories of fabrication. Ben went live the next evening with HonestReporting's Rachel O'Donoghue, who had spent 48 hours pulling the piece apart from the ground up.</p><p><strong>In this episode:</strong></p><p>• The dog rape claim: where it originated (Euromed Human Rights Monitor, Geneva), why it's scientifically impossible, and why it passed through a Times editor anyway</p><p>• Euromed Monitor's track record: organ harvesting libel, denial of Hamas infrastructure at Al-Shifa, a single-witness foundation for its most grotesque claims</p><p>• Sami Al-Sai - Kristof's primary named source: arrested by Israel for incitement (celebrating Oct 7, coordination with terrorist groups), with a documented history of claims made, recanted, and then re-recanted</p><p>• Issa Amro - second named source: "threatened with rape" in his Washington Post account; "raped" in Kristof's account. A significant discrepancy Kristof did not address</p><p>• Kristof's defense on Twitter: cited medical journals to prove dogs can rape humans - journals that were actually about bestiality in the other direction. As Rachel put it: "He read it backwards."</p><p>• The Israeli Civil Commission report, released the same day: two years in the making, 300+ pages, 10,000+ photographs, 1,800 hours of visual material, 430 testimonies across 52 nationalities - documenting systematic sexual violence by Hamas on October 7th. The Times reportedly declined to publish it in advance.</p><p>• What the NYT's muted headline for the Civil Commission report (*"Israeli report examines sexual violence during and after Hamas-led attack"*) says about editorial priorities</p><p>• The pattern: when the Times gets Israel wrong, it always cuts the same way</p><p><strong>Links:</strong></p><p>• Rachel's full rebuttal in the Wall Street Journal: <em>"</em><a href="https://www.wsj.com/opinion/free-expression/kristofs-unbelievable-tale-d9d7b6ff?st=oaY8QY&amp;reflink=article_whatsapp_share"><em>Kristof's Unbelievable Tale</em></a><em>"</em></p><p>• HonestReporting's original X thread debunking the piece: <a href="http://honestreporting.com">honestreporting.com</a> / @Honest.Rachel</p><p>• Israeli Civil Commission report on Oct 7 sexual violence: <a href="https://www.civilc.org">civilc.org</a></p><p><strong>Guest:</strong> Rachel O'Donoghue, senior writer and researcher at HonestReporting. Follow her at @Honest.Rachel on Instagram.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>On May 11, Nicholas Kristof published a column in the New York Times titled <em>"The Silence That Meets the Rape of Palestinians"</em> - a 1,500-word piece alleging systematic sexual violence by Israeli security forces, grounded in anonymous testimonies and sources with documented histories of fabrication. Ben went live the next evening with HonestReporting's Rachel O'Donoghue, who had spent 48 hours pulling the piece apart from the ground up.</p><p><strong>In this episode:</strong></p><p>• The dog rape claim: where it originated (Euromed Human Rights Monitor, Geneva), why it's scientifically impossible, and why it passed through a Times editor anyway</p><p>• Euromed Monitor's track record: organ harvesting libel, denial of Hamas infrastructure at Al-Shifa, a single-witness foundation for its most grotesque claims</p><p>• Sami Al-Sai - Kristof's primary named source: arrested by Israel for incitement (celebrating Oct 7, coordination with terrorist groups), with a documented history of claims made, recanted, and then re-recanted</p><p>• Issa Amro - second named source: "threatened with rape" in his Washington Post account; "raped" in Kristof's account. A significant discrepancy Kristof did not address</p><p>• Kristof's defense on Twitter: cited medical journals to prove dogs can rape humans - journals that were actually about bestiality in the other direction. As Rachel put it: "He read it backwards."</p><p>• The Israeli Civil Commission report, released the same day: two years in the making, 300+ pages, 10,000+ photographs, 1,800 hours of visual material, 430 testimonies across 52 nationalities - documenting systematic sexual violence by Hamas on October 7th. The Times reportedly declined to publish it in advance.</p><p>• What the NYT's muted headline for the Civil Commission report (*"Israeli report examines sexual violence during and after Hamas-led attack"*) says about editorial priorities</p><p>• The pattern: when the Times gets Israel wrong, it always cuts the same way</p><p><strong>Links:</strong></p><p>• Rachel's full rebuttal in the Wall Street Journal: <em>"</em><a href="https://www.wsj.com/opinion/free-expression/kristofs-unbelievable-tale-d9d7b6ff?st=oaY8QY&amp;reflink=article_whatsapp_share"><em>Kristof's Unbelievable Tale</em></a><em>"</em></p><p>• HonestReporting's original X thread debunking the piece: <a href="http://honestreporting.com">honestreporting.com</a> / @Honest.Rachel</p><p>• Israeli Civil Commission report on Oct 7 sexual violence: <a href="https://www.civilc.org">civilc.org</a></p><p><strong>Guest:</strong> Rachel O'Donoghue, senior writer and researcher at HonestReporting. Follow her at @Honest.Rachel on Instagram.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>On May 11, Nicholas Kristof published a column in the New York Times titled "The Silence That Meets the Rape of Palestinians" - a 1,500-word piece alleging systematic sexual violence by Israeli security forces, grounded in anonymous testimonies and sources with documented histories of fabrication. Ben went live the next evening with HonestReporting's Rachel O'Donoghue, who had spent 48 hours pulling the piece apart from the ground up.In this episode:• The dog rape claim: where it originated (Euromed Human Rights Monitor, Geneva), why it's scientifically impossible, and why it passed through a Times editor anyway• Euromed Monitor's track record: organ harvesting libel, denial of Hamas infrastructure at Al-Shifa, a single-witness foundation for its most grotesque claims• Sami Al-Sai - Kristof's primary named source: arrested by Israel for incitement (celebrating Oct 7, coordination with terrorist groups), with a documented history of claims made, recanted, and then re-recanted• Issa Amro - second named source: "threatened with rape" in his Washington Post account; "raped" in Kristof's account. A significant discrepancy Kristof did not address• Kristof's defense on Twitter: cited medical journals to prove dogs can rape humans - journals that were actually about bestiality in the other direction. As Rachel put it: "He read it backwards."• The Israeli Civil Commission report, released the same day: two years in the making, 300+ pages, 10,000+ photographs, 1,800 hours of visual material, 430 testimonies across 52 nationalities - documenting systematic sexual violence by Hamas on October 7th. The Times reportedly declined to publish it in advance.• What the NYT's muted headline for the Civil Commission report (*"Israeli report examines sexual violence during and after Hamas-led attack"*) says about editorial priorities• The pattern: when the Times gets Israel wrong, it always cuts the same wayLinks:• Rachel's full rebuttal in the Wall Street Journal: "Kristof's Unbelievable Tale"• HonestReporting's original X thread debunking the piece: honestreporting.com / @Honest.Rachel• Israeli Civil Commission report on Oct 7 sexual violence: civilc.orgGuest: Rachel O'Donoghue, senior writer and researcher at HonestReporting. Follow her at @Honest.Rachel on Instagram.</itunes:summary>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Yossi Klein Halevi grew up the son of Holocaust survivors in Brooklyn. As a teenager, he joined Meir Kahane's Jewish Defense League. Then he moved to Israel, broke with extremism, and wrote a book called <em>Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor</em> - released free in Arabic - asking Palestinians to see Jews as an indigenous people returning home, not colonizers.</p><p>Today, on college campuses across America, the answer is: you're colonizers. The Nakba proves it.</p><p>With Nakba Day approaching, Ben sits down with Halevi for an honest, unflinching conversation about what actually happened in 1948 - the partition vote, the Arab invasion, Deir Yassin, the Hadassah convoy massacre, the 850,000 Jews expelled from Arab countries that nobody talks about. And then: how a legitimate historical grievance became a weapon of delegitimization.</p><p>Halevi is not a denialist. He openly names the Nakba as a real catastrophe. He has criticized Israeli education for refusing to teach it. But he also argues that collapsing 1948 into a "narrative of total innocence" - and using it to erase Jewish indigeneity - is something categorically different from honest historical reckoning.</p><p>This is the conversation about 1948 that most people never get to have.</p><p><strong>In this episode:</strong></p><p>00:00 — Cold Open (Deir Yassin / Hadassah convoy quote)</p><p>00:22 — Intro: Ben introduces Yossi Klein Halevi and the episode</p><p>00:53 — The Real Story of 1948 — episode framing</p><p>02:43 — Growing up in Brooklyn, joining the JDL</p><p>04:12 — Breaking with Kahana and moving to Israel</p><p>05:25 — Living with the partition wall in Jerusalem</p><p>07:42 — Two overlapping geographies: Land of Israel vs. Land of Palestine</p><p>08:02 — The UN Partition vote (1947) — Arab rejection and the pattern of refusals</p><p>12:07 — The Palestinian maximalist frame vs. the Israeli counter-narrative</p><p>14:08 — When does land become about existence?</p><p>14:55 — The Israeli center: head vs. heart on two states</p><p>16:33 — Why two states feel impossible after October 7th</p><p>16:54 — The six months between partition and war (Nov '47–May '48)</p><p>18:50 — Ethnic cleansing on both sides — flight vs. expulsion</p><p>20:58 — The 850,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries</p><p>25:20 — Why Arab countries kept Palestinians as permanent refugees</p><p>27:34 — Inversion: Nazi collaboration accusations flipped</p><p>30:35 — Plan Dalet: ethnic cleansing blueprint or defensive plan?</p><p>34:04 — Deir Yassin vs. the Hadassah convoy massacre</p><p>36:06 — Acknowledgment vs. apology — teaching the Palestinian Nakba</p><p>41:13 — Settler colonialism goes mainstream: Al Jazeera, Jacobin, the Oscars</p><p>47:01 — Why 'indigenous' and 'no metropole' arguments aren't landing</p><p>48:13 — The language war: genocide, apartheid, settler colonialism as weapons</p><p>49:03 — Myths &amp; Facts doesn't work anymore — it's about narrative now</p><p>53:00 — Has dialogue survived October 7th?</p><p>58:02 — Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor — the German edition and new intro</p><p>01:00:59 — Outro</p><p><strong>About the guest:</strong></p><p>Yossi Klein Halevi is a Senior Fellow at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem. He is the author of <em>Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor</em> (Harper Collins, 2018), a New York Times bestseller released free in Arabic at <a href="http://letterstomyneighbor.com">letterstomyneighbor.com</a>. His previous books include <em>Like Dreamers</em> (National Jewish Book Award winner) and <em>Memoirs of a Jewish Extremist</em>.</p><p>Follow him on X: @YKleinHalevi</p><p>Hosted by Ben Chertoff @ben.chertoff</p><p><em>The Honest Take is produced by HonestReporting - rebuilding trust in media.</em></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Yossi Klein Halevi grew up the son of Holocaust survivors in Brooklyn. As a teenager, he joined Meir Kahane's Jewish Defense League. Then he moved to Israel, broke with extremism, and wrote a book called <em>Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor</em> - released free in Arabic - asking Palestinians to see Jews as an indigenous people returning home, not colonizers.</p><p>Today, on college campuses across America, the answer is: you're colonizers. The Nakba proves it.</p><p>With Nakba Day approaching, Ben sits down with Halevi for an honest, unflinching conversation about what actually happened in 1948 - the partition vote, the Arab invasion, Deir Yassin, the Hadassah convoy massacre, the 850,000 Jews expelled from Arab countries that nobody talks about. And then: how a legitimate historical grievance became a weapon of delegitimization.</p><p>Halevi is not a denialist. He openly names the Nakba as a real catastrophe. He has criticized Israeli education for refusing to teach it. But he also argues that collapsing 1948 into a "narrative of total innocence" - and using it to erase Jewish indigeneity - is something categorically different from honest historical reckoning.</p><p>This is the conversation about 1948 that most people never get to have.</p><p><strong>In this episode:</strong></p><p>00:00 — Cold Open (Deir Yassin / Hadassah convoy quote)</p><p>00:22 — Intro: Ben introduces Yossi Klein Halevi and the episode</p><p>00:53 — The Real Story of 1948 — episode framing</p><p>02:43 — Growing up in Brooklyn, joining the JDL</p><p>04:12 — Breaking with Kahana and moving to Israel</p><p>05:25 — Living with the partition wall in Jerusalem</p><p>07:42 — Two overlapping geographies: Land of Israel vs. Land of Palestine</p><p>08:02 — The UN Partition vote (1947) — Arab rejection and the pattern of refusals</p><p>12:07 — The Palestinian maximalist frame vs. the Israeli counter-narrative</p><p>14:08 — When does land become about existence?</p><p>14:55 — The Israeli center: head vs. heart on two states</p><p>16:33 — Why two states feel impossible after October 7th</p><p>16:54 — The six months between partition and war (Nov '47–May '48)</p><p>18:50 — Ethnic cleansing on both sides — flight vs. expulsion</p><p>20:58 — The 850,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries</p><p>25:20 — Why Arab countries kept Palestinians as permanent refugees</p><p>27:34 — Inversion: Nazi collaboration accusations flipped</p><p>30:35 — Plan Dalet: ethnic cleansing blueprint or defensive plan?</p><p>34:04 — Deir Yassin vs. the Hadassah convoy massacre</p><p>36:06 — Acknowledgment vs. apology — teaching the Palestinian Nakba</p><p>41:13 — Settler colonialism goes mainstream: Al Jazeera, Jacobin, the Oscars</p><p>47:01 — Why 'indigenous' and 'no metropole' arguments aren't landing</p><p>48:13 — The language war: genocide, apartheid, settler colonialism as weapons</p><p>49:03 — Myths &amp; Facts doesn't work anymore — it's about narrative now</p><p>53:00 — Has dialogue survived October 7th?</p><p>58:02 — Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor — the German edition and new intro</p><p>01:00:59 — Outro</p><p><strong>About the guest:</strong></p><p>Yossi Klein Halevi is a Senior Fellow at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem. He is the author of <em>Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor</em> (Harper Collins, 2018), a New York Times bestseller released free in Arabic at <a href="http://letterstomyneighbor.com">letterstomyneighbor.com</a>. His previous books include <em>Like Dreamers</em> (National Jewish Book Award winner) and <em>Memoirs of a Jewish Extremist</em>.</p><p>Follow him on X: @YKleinHalevi</p><p>Hosted by Ben Chertoff @ben.chertoff</p><p><em>The Honest Take is produced by HonestReporting - rebuilding trust in media.</em></p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>Yossi Klein Halevi grew up the son of Holocaust survivors in Brooklyn. As a teenager, he joined Meir Kahane's Jewish Defense League. Then he moved to Israel, broke with extremism, and wrote a book called Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor - released free in Arabic - asking Palestinians to see Jews as an indigenous people returning home, not colonizers.Today, on college campuses across America, the answer is: you're colonizers. The Nakba proves it.With Nakba Day approaching, Ben sits down with Halevi for an honest, unflinching conversation about what actually happened in 1948 - the partition vote, the Arab invasion, Deir Yassin, the Hadassah convoy massacre, the 850,000 Jews expelled from Arab countries that nobody talks about. And then: how a legitimate historical grievance became a weapon of delegitimization.Halevi is not a denialist. He openly names the Nakba as a real catastrophe. He has criticized Israeli education for refusing to teach it. But he also argues that collapsing 1948 into a "narrative of total innocence" - and using it to erase Jewish indigeneity - is something categorically different from honest historical reckoning.This is the conversation about 1948 that most people never get to have.In this episode:00:00 — Cold Open (Deir Yassin / Hadassah convoy quote)00:22 — Intro: Ben introduces Yossi Klein Halevi and the episode00:53 — The Real Story of 1948 — episode framing02:43 — Growing up in Brooklyn, joining the JDL04:12 — Breaking with Kahana and moving to Israel05:25 — Living with the partition wall in Jerusalem07:42 — Two overlapping geographies: Land of Israel vs. Land of Palestine08:02 — The UN Partition vote (1947) — Arab rejection and the pattern of refusals12:07 — The Palestinian maximalist frame vs. the Israeli counter-narrative14:08 — When does land become about existence?14:55 — The Israeli center: head vs. heart on two states16:33 — Why two states feel impossible after October 7th16:54 — The six months between partition and war (Nov '47–May '48)18:50 — Ethnic cleansing on both sides — flight vs. expulsion20:58 — The 850,000 Jewish refugees from Arab countries25:20 — Why Arab countries kept Palestinians as permanent refugees27:34 — Inversion: Nazi collaboration accusations flipped30:35 — Plan Dalet: ethnic cleansing blueprint or defensive plan?34:04 — Deir Yassin vs. the Hadassah convoy massacre36:06 — Acknowledgment vs. apology — teaching the Palestinian Nakba41:13 — Settler colonialism goes mainstream: Al Jazeera, Jacobin, the Oscars47:01 — Why 'indigenous' and 'no metropole' arguments aren't landing48:13 — The language war: genocide, apartheid, settler colonialism as weapons49:03 — Myths &amp;amp; Facts doesn't work anymore — it's about narrative now53:00 — Has dialog survived October 7th?58:02 — Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor — the German edition and new intro01:00:59 — OutroAbout the guest:Yossi Klein Halevi is a Senior Fellow at the Shalom Hartman Institute in Jerusalem. He is the author of Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor (Harper Collins, 2018), a New York Times bestseller released free in Arabic at letterstomyneighbor.com. His previous books include Like Dreamers (National Jewish Book Award winner) and Memoirs of a Jewish Extremist.Follow him on X: @YKleinHaleviHosted by Ben Chertoff @ben.chertoffThe Honest Take is produced by HonestReporting - rebuilding trust in media.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>Yossi Klein Halevi grew up the son of Holocaust survivors in Brooklyn. As a teenager, he joined Meir Kahane's Jewish Defense League. Then he moved to Israel, broke with extremism, and wrote a book called Letters to My Palestinian Neighbor - released free </itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
      <podcast:person role="Host" href="https://podcast.honestreporting.com/people/ben-chertoff" img="https://img.transistorcdn.com/tzhKE8lHJPItHuXhOUZ7YOSRGYm-tTjXQyTmTQN_RM4/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:800/h:800/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS85ODZm/ZTQ3MTBkOWMzYjkw/MDk5YzFkYzNjNTNl/ZWJmYy5qcGc.jpg">Ben Chertoff</podcast:person>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Welcome to <strong>The Honest Take</strong>, the new long-form interview podcast from HonestReporting.</p><p>For 25 years, HonestReporting has been the global watchdog on media bias against Israel — monitoring newsrooms, calling out distortion, and forcing corrections from some of the world's most powerful outlets. <strong>The Honest Take</strong> is where we go beyond the rapid response and sit down with the people who understand what's really happening: journalists, scholars, lawyers, diplomats, and activists.</p><p>Hosted by Ben Chertoff, every episode is a sustained conversation about the stories the mainstream keeps getting wrong — antisemitism, the war in Gaza, the UN, campus politics, the future of Jewish life, and the fight for truth in an information war.</p><p>Subscribe now. New episodes weekly.</p><p>Featuring voices including Hillel Neuer (UN Watch), Shai Davidai, Yardena Schwartz, Yossi Klein Halevi, and many, many more.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Welcome to <strong>The Honest Take</strong>, the new long-form interview podcast from HonestReporting.</p><p>For 25 years, HonestReporting has been the global watchdog on media bias against Israel — monitoring newsrooms, calling out distortion, and forcing corrections from some of the world's most powerful outlets. <strong>The Honest Take</strong> is where we go beyond the rapid response and sit down with the people who understand what's really happening: journalists, scholars, lawyers, diplomats, and activists.</p><p>Hosted by Ben Chertoff, every episode is a sustained conversation about the stories the mainstream keeps getting wrong — antisemitism, the war in Gaza, the UN, campus politics, the future of Jewish life, and the fight for truth in an information war.</p><p>Subscribe now. New episodes weekly.</p><p>Featuring voices including Hillel Neuer (UN Watch), Shai Davidai, Yardena Schwartz, Yossi Klein Halevi, and many, many more.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2026 21:53:18 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:summary>Welcome to The Honest Take, the new long-form interview podcast from HonestReporting.For 25 years, HonestReporting has been the global watchdog on media bias against Israel — monitoring newsrooms, calling out distortion, and forcing corrections from some of the world's most powerful outlets. The Honest Take is where we go beyond the rapid response and sit down with the people who understand what's really happening: journalists, scholars, lawyers, diplomats, and activists.Hosted by Ben Chertoff, every episode is a sustained conversation about the stories the mainstream keeps getting wrong — antisemitism, the war in Gaza, the UN, campus politics, the future of Jewish life, and the fight for truth in an information war.Subscribe now. New episodes weekly.Featuring voices including Hillel Neuer (UN Watch), Shai Davidai, Yardena Schwartz, Yossi Klein Halevi, and many, many more.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>Welcome to The Honest Take, the new long-form interview podcast from HonestReporting.For 25 years, HonestReporting has been the global watchdog on media bias against Israel — monitoring newsrooms, calling out distortion, and forcing corrections from some </itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What happened on American campuses after October 7 did not come out of nowhere.</p><p>In this episode of The Honest Take, Shai Davidai joins HonestReporting to trace the intellectual roots of the antisemitism now shaping elite universities. From Edward Said’s Orientalism and the rise of the activist professor, to moral relativism, postcolonial theory, and the normalization of anti-Zionism as virtue, Davidai explains how decades of academic ideas helped create a culture where Jew hatred is repackaged as justice.</p><p>The conversation also explores Columbia’s long history with antisemitism, the role of groups like Students for Justice in Palestine and Jewish Voice for Peace, and why so many students and faculty cannot even recognize their own bigotry. Davidai argues that this is not just campus radicalism. It is a broader moral and intellectual failure with real consequences for Jews, for higher education, and for American society.</p><p>Shai Davidai is a social psychologist, former Columbia Business School professor, and host of Here I Am with Shai Davidai. His forthcoming book, American Intellectual Antisemitism, is scheduled for release on October 6, 2026.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What happened on American campuses after October 7 did not come out of nowhere.</p><p>In this episode of The Honest Take, Shai Davidai joins HonestReporting to trace the intellectual roots of the antisemitism now shaping elite universities. From Edward Said’s Orientalism and the rise of the activist professor, to moral relativism, postcolonial theory, and the normalization of anti-Zionism as virtue, Davidai explains how decades of academic ideas helped create a culture where Jew hatred is repackaged as justice.</p><p>The conversation also explores Columbia’s long history with antisemitism, the role of groups like Students for Justice in Palestine and Jewish Voice for Peace, and why so many students and faculty cannot even recognize their own bigotry. Davidai argues that this is not just campus radicalism. It is a broader moral and intellectual failure with real consequences for Jews, for higher education, and for American society.</p><p>Shai Davidai is a social psychologist, former Columbia Business School professor, and host of Here I Am with Shai Davidai. His forthcoming book, American Intellectual Antisemitism, is scheduled for release on October 6, 2026.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 05 May 2026 18:46:56 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:summary>What happened on American campuses after October 7 did not come out of nowhere.
In this episode of The Honest Take, Shai Davidai joins HonestReporting to trace the intellectual roots of the antisemitism now shaping elite universities. From Edward Said’s Orientalism and the rise of the activist professor, to moral relativism, postcolonial theory, and the normalization of anti-Zionism as virtue, Davidai explains how decades of academic ideas helped create a culture where Jew hatred is repackaged as justice.
The conversation also explores Columbia’s long history with antisemitism, the role of groups like Students for Justice in Palestine and Jewish Voice for Peace, and why so many students and faculty cannot even recognize their own bigotry. Davidai argues that this is not just campus radicalism. It is a broader moral and intellectual failure with real consequences for Jews, for higher education, and for American society.
Shai Davidai is a social psychologist, former Columbia Business School professor, and host of Here I Am with Shai Davidai. His forthcoming book, American Intellectual Antisemitism, is scheduled for release on October 6, 2026.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>What happened on American campuses after October 7 did not come out of nowhere.
In this episode of The Honest Take, Shai Davidai joins HonestReporting to trace the intellectual roots of the antisemitism now shaping elite universities. From Edward Said’s O</itunes:subtitle>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is often thought of as a protracted political dispute based on two peoples fighting over one land. Often, they place the start date at 1948. Sometimes 1967. </p><p>But for a real understanding, it is necessary to reach back to the pre-State era, and realize the religious nature of the conflict, and one man who played a pivotal role in shaping it: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.</p><p>We speak to Yardena Schwartz, author of "Ghosts of a Holy War," about Hajj Amin al Husseini, his surprisingly close relationship with Adolf Hitler, the 1929 Hebron massacre, and how reporting on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has changed over the course of the century that followed.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is often thought of as a protracted political dispute based on two peoples fighting over one land. Often, they place the start date at 1948. Sometimes 1967. </p><p>But for a real understanding, it is necessary to reach back to the pre-State era, and realize the religious nature of the conflict, and one man who played a pivotal role in shaping it: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.</p><p>We speak to Yardena Schwartz, author of "Ghosts of a Holy War," about Hajj Amin al Husseini, his surprisingly close relationship with Adolf Hitler, the 1929 Hebron massacre, and how reporting on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has changed over the course of the century that followed.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:summary>The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is often thought of as a protracted political dispute based on two peoples fighting over one land. Often, they place the start date at 1948. Sometimes 1967.
But for a real understanding, it is necessary to reach back to the pre-State era, and realize the religious nature of the conflict, and one man who played a pivotal role in shaping it: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem.
We speak to Yardena Schwartz, author of "Ghosts of a Holy War," about Hajj Amin al Husseini, his surprisingly close relationship with Adolf Hitler, the 1929 Hebron massacre, and how reporting on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has changed over the course of the century that followed.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>The Israeli-Palestinian conflict is often thought of as a protracted political dispute based on two peoples fighting over one land. Often, they place the start date at 1948. Sometimes 1967.
But for a real understanding, it is necessary to reach back to th</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:keywords>Yardena Schwartz, Ghosts of a Holy War, Ben Chertoff, The Honest Take, HonestReporting, Hebron, 1929 Hebron massacre, Hebron massacre, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Hajj Amin al-Husseini, Amin al-Husseini, Adolf Hitler, Nazi Germany, Nazism, Holocaust, British Mandate, Mandatory Palestine, pre-state Israel, Palestine 1929, 1948, 1967, Israeli-Palestinian conflict, Israel Palestine, religious conflict, Jewish history, Zionism, Palestinian nationalism, Jerusalem, Judaism, Islamism, antisemitism, historical memory, media bias, journalism, foreign correspondents, media coverage of Israel, Israel, Middle East, Middle East history</itunes:keywords>
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