Show notes

• 00:01:14: The elevator pitch: matching corporates and startups that don't know each other yet
• 00:02:23: Mathias's path: studying entrepreneurship in Regensburg, a fashion startup at TechBase, and finding venture clienting while looking for ways to fund it
• 00:04:52: Writing his master's thesis at the BSH Startup Kitchen, one of the first dedicated venture client units
• 00:05:58: Measuring business impact, and why innovation teams are the first to be cut when they can't show it
• 00:09:52: Why service providers like 27pilots, Capgemini and GlassDollar can save a new unit 1–2 years
• 00:12:33: The venture client unit as the "Spinne im Netz", connecting legal, purchasing, the works council, business units and startups
• 00:13:50: How founders' opinion of innovation teams changed, from "waste of time" to champions
• 00:16:32: Scaling means doing the right projects, not more of them, plus how BSH filters requests (95% pull)
• 00:19:00: Venture clienting vs. VC: POCs at about €30K, and venture clienting as due diligence before investing
• 00:21:19: BSH's numbers: about 40% adoption rate and 20% scaling rate
• 00:21:45: Innovation as translation, between corporate and startup language and between business units
• 00:24:04: Mediation, emotions in projects, and separating the person from their role
• 00:27:28: BSH Voices, and celebrating early customers rather than just founders and investors
• 00:30:49: Why most founders should look for a way to bootstrap with revenue
• 00:34:30: Mathias's favourite POC: automating the collection of EU-regulation supplier data in purchasing
• 00:37:59: Venture clienting in ten years: AI, links with VC and M&A, and BSH's global ambassador network
• 00:40:57: Will venture clienting become a standard corporate function, maybe as "innovation purchasing"?
• 00:42:09: How AI and LLMs already support scouting, assessment, and BSH's own internal GPT
• 00:43:29: Venture clienting as a career springboard, and which industries could adopt it next
• 00:45:42: Why telecoms moved early, and why the method was defined in Germany
• 00:48:30: GlassDollar's report on 500,000 public startup–corporate relationships, and bringing working solutions to other countries and business units

Mentioned: BSH Startup Kitchen, Bosch, Robert Bosch Venture Capital, 27pilots, Capgemini, hub:raum, Telefónica Wayra, TechBase Regensburg, BCG, GlassDollar

He has been with Lufthansa for 18 years, starting as a pilot cadet, and he still flies. For more than 20 years he also worked as a paramedic — three or four shifts a month alongside long-haul rotations, studying for it in a Kuala Lumpur hotel room while the rest of the crew went out for dinner.

CHAPTERS

00:00 Intro: venture clienting inside a 100,000-person airline group
00:47 From pilot cadet to leading Startup Gate
03:50 Why airline operations is really a data problem
06:38 Twenty years as a paramedic, on the side
08:15 Studying in a Kuala Lumpur hotel room
09:54 How Daniel ended up running the venture client unit
13:18 The mandate: make working with startups a no-brainer
16:15 Central or decentralised venture clienting?
20:26 The innovation hub problem: "those people in Berlin"
25:04 Build or buy, and what LLMs changed about the answer
27:11 Computer vision on the conveyor belt
29:25 3D Tetris: pallets, dangerous goods, weight and balance
32:54 Cargo economics, and what the pandemic did to them
34:29 Seats ripped out, PPE flown back from Asia, 56 hours in a hotel room
38:18 Safety and innovation: what happens if it fails?
41:31 Starlink is on board. Is SpaceX a startup?
43:19 Sandboxing by budget, time and liability
45:16 The ground service equipment use case
49:19 How the fast-track procurement process came about
53:19 Fast and compliant
55:40 Venture clienting isn't invented, it's paved
57:12 Twenty trample paths through the same forest
59:04 Is maintaining the Autobahn a full-time job?
1:01:04 Quickfire: one ask of the Lufthansa board
1:04:10 Advice for anyone starting a venture client unit

Cameras on a conveyor belt. Computer vision measures every parcel moving through the warehouse and catches shipments that exceed their booked dimensions, which then get rebilled. Revenue on day one. The same data produces a second use case: automated 3D Tetris for building pallets, with dangerous goods and aircraft weight-and-balance factored in.

Before every project Daniel asks what happens if it fails. In a warehouse, not much, because the build-up gets double-checked anyway. Near flight operations or a central IT system, nobody boards and the whole operation stops. That answer decides how the project runs, not the technology.

People inside Lufthansa were already hunting for better technology long before anyone called it venture clienting. Each of them had to find their own way through, and none of them knew about the others. Twenty trample paths through the same forest. The method turns those into one Autobahn, which raises a fair question: is maintaining it still a full-time job once it's built?

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