The Business of Law with Joshua Baron Transistor (https://transistor.fm) https://feeds.transistor.fm/the-business-of-criminal-law The Business of Law helps lawyers build thriving practices. Joshua Baron interviews lawyers and industry experts to learn how to market and run a successful law practice. Topics include: how to build referral relationships, how co-counsel relationships can help you take big cases, and how to enjoy practicing law. 2021 Joshua Baron 771de6a3-46c9-5b72-be20-144625787e52 no Trailer - Criminal Defense Referrals Trailer - Coming Soon - The Business of Criminal Law en Tue, 14 Oct 2025 06:30:11 -0600 Tue, 02 Dec 2025 16:02:40 -0700 https://img.transistor.fm/1xG-0AKrxt3dF6fImx0-NmNTdAecNPksEF_jdKaSGPU/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:1400/h:1400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS85Nzdj/YjVlNWExNDNiYjA3/MzBlZWU2NDI2OGYz/OTZiNy5qcGc.jpg The Business of Law with Joshua Baron episodic Joshua Baron The Business of Law helps lawyers build thriving practices. Joshua Baron interviews lawyers and industry experts to learn how to market and run a successful law practice. Topics include: how to build referral relationships, how co-counsel relationships can help you take big cases, and how to enjoy practicing law. The Business of Law helps lawyers build thriving practices. criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice Joshua Baron No No Fire Google: The Smarter Way to Market Your Law Firm 27 27 Fire Google: The Smarter Way to Market Your Law Firm full b459cc8a-4899-4f73-81e9-aa55bce98b96 https://share.transistor.fm/s/c4b8831e Your best clients won’t come from Google. Josh Baron and marketing strategist Danny Decker are here to prove it. In this episode, they unpack why small law firms should focus less on ad spend and more on relationships, referrals, and repeat clients. You’ll learn how to stay top of mind with your network through smart email and social media strategies that actually feel human. If you’ve ever wondered how to grow your firm without selling your soul to Google, this one’s for you.

]]> Your best clients won’t come from Google. Josh Baron and marketing strategist Danny Decker are here to prove it. In this episode, they unpack why small law firms should focus less on ad spend and more on relationships, referrals, and repeat clients. You’ll learn how to stay top of mind with your network through smart email and social media strategies that actually feel human. If you’ve ever wondered how to grow your firm without selling your soul to Google, this one’s for you.

]]> Tue, 14 Oct 2025 06:30:00 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 2501 Your best clients won’t come from Google. Josh Baron and marketing strategist Danny Decker are here to prove it. In this episode, they unpack why small law firms should focus less on ad spend and more on relationships, referrals, and repeat clients. You’ll learn how to stay top of mind with your network through smart email and social media strategies that actually feel human. If you’ve ever wondered how to grow your firm without selling your soul to Google, this one’s for you.

]]> criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Run Your Firm Like a Business (So You Can Act Like a Professional) 26 26 Run Your Firm Like a Business (So You Can Act Like a Professional) full ec36d19e-55d2-4559-905d-3841c772f0bc https://share.transistor.fm/s/3a6cd404 Josh Baron and Mark Butler explore the ethical dilemmas lawyers face when business pressures collide with professional duty. Josh argues that financial stability is essential for lawyers to consistently make client-centered decisions, emphasizing how flat fees, trust accounts, and referral networks shape both risk and reputation. Listeners will gain practical insights into aligning law firm economics with integrity and why solving “business” problems is often the key to better legal service.

]]> Josh Baron and Mark Butler explore the ethical dilemmas lawyers face when business pressures collide with professional duty. Josh argues that financial stability is essential for lawyers to consistently make client-centered decisions, emphasizing how flat fees, trust accounts, and referral networks shape both risk and reputation. Listeners will gain practical insights into aligning law firm economics with integrity and why solving “business” problems is often the key to better legal service.

]]> Mon, 09 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 2740 Josh Baron and Mark Butler explore the ethical dilemmas lawyers face when business pressures collide with professional duty. Josh argues that financial stability is essential for lawyers to consistently make client-centered decisions, emphasizing how flat fees, trust accounts, and referral networks shape both risk and reputation. Listeners will gain practical insights into aligning law firm economics with integrity and why solving “business” problems is often the key to better legal service.

]]> criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Justice Begins with Showing Up for the Accused 25 25 Justice Begins with Showing Up for the Accused full 9d5cdc35-96f7-44d8-bde2-a68ff9721244 https://share.transistor.fm/s/67e05ad1 This episode is a LIVE recording from a BYU Law School class, where defense attorney Josh Baron talks about what it means to represent people who’ve been accused of wrongdoing, and why he sees Jesus as the ultimate criminal defense lawyer. The conversation dives into how faith, scripture, and the justice system overlap, with students asking real questions about advocacy, the justice system, and the business of law.

]]> This episode is a LIVE recording from a BYU Law School class, where defense attorney Josh Baron talks about what it means to represent people who’ve been accused of wrongdoing, and why he sees Jesus as the ultimate criminal defense lawyer. The conversation dives into how faith, scripture, and the justice system overlap, with students asking real questions about advocacy, the justice system, and the business of law.

]]> Mon, 02 Jun 2025 07:00:00 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 4624 This episode is a LIVE recording from a BYU Law School class, where defense attorney Josh Baron talks about what it means to represent people who’ve been accused of wrongdoing, and why he sees Jesus as the ultimate criminal defense lawyer. The conversation dives into how faith, scripture, and the justice system overlap, with students asking real questions about advocacy, the justice system, and the business of law.

]]> criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Proven Strategies for Building Authentic Referrals 24 24 Proven Strategies for Building Authentic Referrals full b55328e1-8f2a-4c7e-b80f-8181c9ee857a https://share.transistor.fm/s/2a3c5b12 Join Brian Glass and Josh Baron as they delve into the art of relationship management and its transformative impact on referral-based law practices. They explore strategies like targeted outreach to referral partners and the 'Dream 100' approach to network building, emphasizing authenticity and trust in professional partnerships.

]]> Join Brian Glass and Josh Baron as they delve into the art of relationship management and its transformative impact on referral-based law practices. They explore strategies like targeted outreach to referral partners and the 'Dream 100' approach to network building, emphasizing authenticity and trust in professional partnerships.

]]> Mon, 31 Mar 2025 06:00:00 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 1800 Join Brian Glass and Josh Baron as they delve into the art of relationship management and its transformative impact on referral-based law practices. They explore strategies like targeted outreach to referral partners and the 'Dream 100' approach to network building, emphasizing authenticity and trust in professional partnerships.

]]> criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No The Hour Passes Whether You're Anxious or Not: How to Commit Fully to One Task at a Time 23 23 The Hour Passes Whether You're Anxious or Not: How to Commit Fully to One Task at a Time full f29f321f-af08-4184-a68f-46566cbb22f3 https://share.transistor.fm/s/fac68781 In this episode, Josh Baron speaks with Natey Ndlovu, a lawyer in the midst of transitioning from firm life to starting her own criminal defense practice. As Natey navigates her final days at her current firm, she shares the overwhelming challenges of managing deadlines, client notifications, and the emotional aspects of making a major career change. Josh offers practical time management insights for knowledge workers and shares his own journey of creating better boundaries around client consultations.


Key Takeaways


Time Management for Knowledge Workers

  • Time management isn't a problem to "solve" but part of the human condition
  • Knowledge work can't be measured by the same metrics as factory work
  • Looking at monthly results rather than hourly productivity often provides a better measure of success
  • Sometimes activities that don't look productive (like staring out the window) can lead to breakthrough insights


The Emotional Side of Transitions

  • Leaving a firm often feels like "breaking up" with someone when you know it's not working out
  • The relief of finally making the decision can be significant
  • Managing transitions involves both practical and emotional challenges


Better Ways to Measure Your Day

  • Instead of counting tasks completed, ask: "Was I engaged? Was I kind?"
  • To-do lists will never be completely finished - making peace with this is essential
  • Sometimes necessary work isn't exciting but still needs to be done


The Consultation Block Strategy

  • Setting specific times for consultations instead of being always available
  • Having staff screen potential clients to ensure fit
  • Results in higher sign-up rates and better preparation
  • Allows you to show up as your best self for client interactions


Overcoming Fear of Setting Boundaries

  • Initial fears about losing business are often unfounded
  • Setting boundaries can actually improve both client experience and your quality of life
  • The "catastrophizing" mindset often prevents positive practice improvements


Mentioned Resources

  • "Four Thousand Weeks" by Oliver Burkeman
  • "Meditations for Mortals" by Oliver Burkeman
  • "Slow Productivity" by Cal Newport


About Natey Ndlovu

Natey is transitioning from an established law firm to launching her own criminal defense practice. Her experience includes working as a public defender.

Natey's firm: Cornick Ndlovu, PLC
https://www.virginia-criminal.com/


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]]> In this episode, Josh Baron speaks with Natey Ndlovu, a lawyer in the midst of transitioning from firm life to starting her own criminal defense practice. As Natey navigates her final days at her current firm, she shares the overwhelming challenges of managing deadlines, client notifications, and the emotional aspects of making a major career change. Josh offers practical time management insights for knowledge workers and shares his own journey of creating better boundaries around client consultations.


Key Takeaways


Time Management for Knowledge Workers

  • Time management isn't a problem to "solve" but part of the human condition
  • Knowledge work can't be measured by the same metrics as factory work
  • Looking at monthly results rather than hourly productivity often provides a better measure of success
  • Sometimes activities that don't look productive (like staring out the window) can lead to breakthrough insights


The Emotional Side of Transitions

  • Leaving a firm often feels like "breaking up" with someone when you know it's not working out
  • The relief of finally making the decision can be significant
  • Managing transitions involves both practical and emotional challenges


Better Ways to Measure Your Day

  • Instead of counting tasks completed, ask: "Was I engaged? Was I kind?"
  • To-do lists will never be completely finished - making peace with this is essential
  • Sometimes necessary work isn't exciting but still needs to be done


The Consultation Block Strategy

  • Setting specific times for consultations instead of being always available
  • Having staff screen potential clients to ensure fit
  • Results in higher sign-up rates and better preparation
  • Allows you to show up as your best self for client interactions


Overcoming Fear of Setting Boundaries

  • Initial fears about losing business are often unfounded
  • Setting boundaries can actually improve both client experience and your quality of life
  • The "catastrophizing" mindset often prevents positive practice improvements


Mentioned Resources

  • "Four Thousand Weeks" by Oliver Burkeman
  • "Meditations for Mortals" by Oliver Burkeman
  • "Slow Productivity" by Cal Newport


About Natey Ndlovu

Natey is transitioning from an established law firm to launching her own criminal defense practice. Her experience includes working as a public defender.

Natey's firm: Cornick Ndlovu, PLC
https://www.virginia-criminal.com/


Connect With Us

]]> Wed, 26 Feb 2025 09:50:10 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 948 In this episode, Josh Baron speaks with Natey Ndlovu, a lawyer in the midst of transitioning from firm life to starting her own criminal defense practice. As Natey navigates her final days at her current firm, she shares the overwhelming challenges of managing deadlines, client notifications, and the emotional aspects of making a major career change. Josh offers practical time management insights for knowledge workers and shares his own journey of creating better boundaries around client consultations.


Key Takeaways


Time Management for Knowledge Workers

  • Time management isn't a problem to "solve" but part of the human condition
  • Knowledge work can't be measured by the same metrics as factory work
  • Looking at monthly results rather than hourly productivity often provides a better measure of success
  • Sometimes activities that don't look productive (like staring out the window) can lead to breakthrough insights


The Emotional Side of Transitions

  • Leaving a firm often feels like "breaking up" with someone when you know it's not working out
  • The relief of finally making the decision can be significant
  • Managing transitions involves both practical and emotional challenges


Better Ways to Measure Your Day

  • Instead of counting tasks completed, ask: "Was I engaged? Was I kind?"
  • To-do lists will never be completely finished - making peace with this is essential
  • Sometimes necessary work isn't exciting but still needs to be done


The Consultation Block Strategy

  • Setting specific times for consultations instead of being always available
  • Having staff screen potential clients to ensure fit
  • Results in higher sign-up rates and better preparation
  • Allows you to show up as your best self for client interactions


Overcoming Fear of Setting Boundaries

  • Initial fears about losing business are often unfounded
  • Setting boundaries can actually improve both client experience and your quality of life
  • The "catastrophizing" mindset often prevents positive practice improvements


Mentioned Resources

  • "Four Thousand Weeks" by Oliver Burkeman
  • "Meditations for Mortals" by Oliver Burkeman
  • "Slow Productivity" by Cal Newport


About Natey Ndlovu

Natey is transitioning from an established law firm to launching her own criminal defense practice. Her experience includes working as a public defender.

Natey's firm: Cornick Ndlovu, PLC
https://www.virginia-criminal.com/


Connect With Us

]]> criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No How To Have Better Consultations - A Conversation with R.J. Dreiling 22 22 How To Have Better Consultations - A Conversation with R.J. Dreiling full c74fc685-129a-4a6e-8665-d3018b10b80c https://share.transistor.fm/s/6ff823df This conversation with California-based R.J. Dreiling was so much fun! We discuss potential client consultations, energy and time management, and criminal defense as an art, not a science.

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"Sock Hop" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License
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We were recently selected to some best of lists!

https://podcast.feedspot.com/criminal_law_podcasts/
https://podcast.feedspot.com/criminal_defense_podcasts/

]]> This conversation with California-based R.J. Dreiling was so much fun! We discuss potential client consultations, energy and time management, and criminal defense as an art, not a science.

-

"Sock Hop" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

-

We were recently selected to some best of lists!

https://podcast.feedspot.com/criminal_law_podcasts/
https://podcast.feedspot.com/criminal_defense_podcasts/

]]> Thu, 11 Jul 2024 06:00:00 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 2526 This conversation with California-based R.J. Dreiling was so much fun! We discuss potential client consultations, energy and time management, and criminal defense as an art, not a science.

-

"Sock Hop" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

-

We were recently selected to some best of lists!

https://podcast.feedspot.com/criminal_law_podcasts/
https://podcast.feedspot.com/criminal_defense_podcasts/

]]> criminal law; client consultations; energy management No Referral Relationships and Prioritizing Your Well-Being - A Conversation with Isaac Ortega 21 21 Referral Relationships and Prioritizing Your Well-Being - A Conversation with Isaac Ortega full 4ff5b0f4-f6dc-4df6-85df-c33e36c916c8 https://share.transistor.fm/s/ff88b4e4 Check out some clips from a recent conversation I had with Isaac Ortega, the founder of Ortega Law Group, and some thoughts I had after our conversation. We discussed his beautiful referral relationship process, as well as how to prioritize your well-being.


Music Credit:
"Sock Hop" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

]]> Check out some clips from a recent conversation I had with Isaac Ortega, the founder of Ortega Law Group, and some thoughts I had after our conversation. We discussed his beautiful referral relationship process, as well as how to prioritize your well-being.


Music Credit:
"Sock Hop" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

]]> Thu, 16 May 2024 06:00:00 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 1074 Check out some clips from a recent conversation I had with Isaac Ortega, the founder of Ortega Law Group, and some thoughts I had after our conversation. We discussed his beautiful referral relationship process, as well as how to prioritize your well-being.


Music Credit:
"Sock Hop" Kevin MacLeod (incompetech.com)
Licensed under Creative Commons: By Attribution 4.0 License
http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/4.0/

]]> business of law, referral relationships, lawyer well-being, joshua baron, No Navigating Niches: How to Determine the Ideal Size for Your Criminal Defense Practice 20 20 Navigating Niches: How to Determine the Ideal Size for Your Criminal Defense Practice full 4a543aa5-7a05-484c-864a-290592522626 https://share.transistor.fm/s/6f3d41a7 In this episode, Joshua takes you on a journey through the landscape of legal niches, aiming to help criminal lawyers discover the perfect size for their defense practice.

Ever wondered if you're being specific enough in your niche? Joshua shares anecdotes from his own legal adventures and conversations with industry experts, including the invaluable advice from his friend Marco Brown, a standout divorce and custody lawyer.

Josh challenges conventional wisdom on niches, exploring the delicate balance between specificity and broadness. Forget the jargon; this episode is all about making it easy for your referral partners to send clients your way. Josh breaks down the elements of a successful referrak habit loop, emphasizing the importance of being obvious, attractive, easy, and satisfying.

From the practical side of tailoring your pitch to different audiences to the crucial considerations of market support and client motivation, Joshua provides a roadmap for lawyers looking to carve out their niche successfully.

Join Josh Baron in "Navigating Niches" as he breaks down the myths, shares real talk, and sets you on the path to niche mastery. It's time to find that sweet spot for your criminal defense practice. Tune in and level up your criminal defense game!

]]> In this episode, Joshua takes you on a journey through the landscape of legal niches, aiming to help criminal lawyers discover the perfect size for their defense practice.

Ever wondered if you're being specific enough in your niche? Joshua shares anecdotes from his own legal adventures and conversations with industry experts, including the invaluable advice from his friend Marco Brown, a standout divorce and custody lawyer.

Josh challenges conventional wisdom on niches, exploring the delicate balance between specificity and broadness. Forget the jargon; this episode is all about making it easy for your referral partners to send clients your way. Josh breaks down the elements of a successful referrak habit loop, emphasizing the importance of being obvious, attractive, easy, and satisfying.

From the practical side of tailoring your pitch to different audiences to the crucial considerations of market support and client motivation, Joshua provides a roadmap for lawyers looking to carve out their niche successfully.

Join Josh Baron in "Navigating Niches" as he breaks down the myths, shares real talk, and sets you on the path to niche mastery. It's time to find that sweet spot for your criminal defense practice. Tune in and level up your criminal defense game!

]]> Mon, 18 Dec 2023 16:38:59 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 1043 In this episode, Joshua takes you on a journey through the landscape of legal niches, aiming to help criminal lawyers discover the perfect size for their defense practice.

Ever wondered if you're being specific enough in your niche? Joshua shares anecdotes from his own legal adventures and conversations with industry experts, including the invaluable advice from his friend Marco Brown, a standout divorce and custody lawyer.

Josh challenges conventional wisdom on niches, exploring the delicate balance between specificity and broadness. Forget the jargon; this episode is all about making it easy for your referral partners to send clients your way. Josh breaks down the elements of a successful referrak habit loop, emphasizing the importance of being obvious, attractive, easy, and satisfying.

From the practical side of tailoring your pitch to different audiences to the crucial considerations of market support and client motivation, Joshua provides a roadmap for lawyers looking to carve out their niche successfully.

Join Josh Baron in "Navigating Niches" as he breaks down the myths, shares real talk, and sets you on the path to niche mastery. It's time to find that sweet spot for your criminal defense practice. Tune in and level up your criminal defense game!

]]> criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No How Do You Incentivize The People Who Send You Referrals? 19 19 How Do You Incentivize The People Who Send You Referrals? full 9ba4f2a5-6db7-4057-95bf-1567d7931324 https://share.transistor.fm/s/e24711c3 In this episode, Josh reviews the complicated nature of paying referral fees and the ways they can transform a sincere relationship into a transaction. Instead, focus your efforts on delivering an excellent experience to the referred client and honoring the trust of the referral partner. 

]]> In this episode, Josh reviews the complicated nature of paying referral fees and the ways they can transform a sincere relationship into a transaction. Instead, focus your efforts on delivering an excellent experience to the referred client and honoring the trust of the referral partner. 

]]> Wed, 08 Mar 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 299 In this episode, Josh reviews the complicated nature of paying referral fees and the ways they can transform a sincere relationship into a transaction. Instead, focus your efforts on delivering an excellent experience to the referred client and honoring the trust of the referral partner. 

]]> criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No What Job Are They Hiring You For? 18 18 What Job Are They Hiring You For? full 22f41b03-4b7e-48cf-bdde-4fc40706657b https://share.transistor.fm/s/77c68833 In this episode, Josh discusses the difficulty of measuring a lawyer's "quality" and the value of focusing more on the immediate concerns of the client and less on the outcome of the case. In many instances, the outcome will have little bearing on the client's overall feeling toward you as a law practitioner. On the contrary, if you address and reduce the underlying anxieties a client may feel toward the case, you have a better chance of earning their trust and higher ratings. 

]]> In this episode, Josh discusses the difficulty of measuring a lawyer's "quality" and the value of focusing more on the immediate concerns of the client and less on the outcome of the case. In many instances, the outcome will have little bearing on the client's overall feeling toward you as a law practitioner. On the contrary, if you address and reduce the underlying anxieties a client may feel toward the case, you have a better chance of earning their trust and higher ratings. 

]]> Mon, 06 Mar 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 167 In this episode, Josh discusses the difficulty of measuring a lawyer's "quality" and the value of focusing more on the immediate concerns of the client and less on the outcome of the case. In many instances, the outcome will have little bearing on the client's overall feeling toward you as a law practitioner. On the contrary, if you address and reduce the underlying anxieties a client may feel toward the case, you have a better chance of earning their trust and higher ratings. 

]]> criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No When it comes to Referral Relationships, It's One Strike and You're Out 17 17 When it comes to Referral Relationships, It's One Strike and You're Out full 451856ef-116a-440b-a457-1de35fbe6411 https://share.transistor.fm/s/2d17d58f In this brief episode, Josh shares a powerful rule that can make or break a referral relationship: one strike, and you're out. This refers to the importance of responding quickly to and taking good care of referred clients because one bad move can cost you future business with a referral partner. 

]]> In this brief episode, Josh shares a powerful rule that can make or break a referral relationship: one strike, and you're out. This refers to the importance of responding quickly to and taking good care of referred clients because one bad move can cost you future business with a referral partner. 

]]> Wed, 01 Mar 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 81 In this brief episode, Josh shares a powerful rule that can make or break a referral relationship: one strike, and you're out. This refers to the importance of responding quickly to and taking good care of referred clients because one bad move can cost you future business with a referral partner. 

]]> criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No How Do You Build An Excellent Client Experience? 16 16 How Do You Build An Excellent Client Experience? full f09cc8d5-1f82-4405-aee3-e037d6991991 https://share.transistor.fm/s/f38a86ac In this episode, Joshua discusses the importance of delivering a top-notch customer experience by seeking for opportunities to go the extra mile. For more information on this topic, check out Chip and Dan Heath's "The Power of Moments: Why Certain Experiences Have Extraordinary Impact".

]]> In this episode, Joshua discusses the importance of delivering a top-notch customer experience by seeking for opportunities to go the extra mile. For more information on this topic, check out Chip and Dan Heath's "The Power of Moments: Why Certain Experiences Have Extraordinary Impact".

]]> Mon, 27 Feb 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 327 In this episode, Joshua discusses the importance of delivering a top-notch customer experience by seeking for opportunities to go the extra mile. For more information on this topic, check out Chip and Dan Heath's "The Power of Moments: Why Certain Experiences Have Extraordinary Impact".

]]> criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No How Can You Make Sure You're The Best Option For Your Ideal Clients? 15 15 How Can You Make Sure You're The Best Option For Your Ideal Clients? full 3e19c3bf-e252-4660-b0b1-275796486cda https://share.transistor.fm/s/fbc33e0f Wed, 08 Feb 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 173 In this episode, Josh talks about what it takes to master the art of building referral relationships. Often, this can mean knowing when to ask for help, when to hire someone else who knows, and when to make a referral yourself. The key is to know where you shine and acknowledge where you can grow. In this episode, Josh talks about what it takes to master the art of building referral relationships. Often, this can mean knowing when to ask for help, when to hire someone else who knows, and when to make a referral yourself. The key is to know where yo criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No How Long Will It Take To Build Powerful Referral Relationships? 14 14 How Long Will It Take To Build Powerful Referral Relationships? full 55867ba1-502d-4a47-92d8-1d2d11404544 https://share.transistor.fm/s/fd0d47c2 In this episode, Joshua references "The 4 Disciplines of Execution" by Chris McChesney, Jim Huling, and Sean Covey, specifically the importance of distinguishing between lead and lag indicators and focusing on what you can control when it comes to building referral relationships that last. 

]]> In this episode, Joshua references "The 4 Disciplines of Execution" by Chris McChesney, Jim Huling, and Sean Covey, specifically the importance of distinguishing between lead and lag indicators and focusing on what you can control when it comes to building referral relationships that last. 

]]> Mon, 06 Feb 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 205 In this episode, Joshua references "The 4 Disciplines of Execution" by Chris McChesney, Jim Huling, and Sean Covey, specifically the importance of distinguishing between lead and lag indicators and focusing on what you can control when it comes to building referral relationships that last. In this episode, Joshua references "The 4 Disciplines of Execution" by Chris McChesney, Jim Huling, and Sean Covey, specifically the importance of distinguishing between lead and lag indicators and focusing on what you can control when it comes to buildin criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No How Many Referral Sources Do You Need? 13 13 How Many Referral Sources Do You Need? full 724f47e8-df34-4b35-b3a6-127d1be5d088 https://share.transistor.fm/s/d4731723 "Price is a multiplier and it might be the most powerful multiplier. When you quote a price, you're telling the client how important the case is to you and how important it should be to them. When you raise your prices, it transforms the kind of service you can provide. Raising your prices has a ripple effect on your whole business. It's a single choice that makes a hundred other choices for you" (pg. 28-29 pf Criminal Defense Referrals)

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]]> "Price is a multiplier and it might be the most powerful multiplier. When you quote a price, you're telling the client how important the case is to you and how important it should be to them. When you raise your prices, it transforms the kind of service you can provide. Raising your prices has a ripple effect on your whole business. It's a single choice that makes a hundred other choices for you" (pg. 28-29 pf Criminal Defense Referrals)

Get the book on Amazon

]]> Wed, 01 Feb 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 135 In this episode, Joshua discusses the power of price and how it can determine the quantity and quality of clients you work with. In this episode, Joshua discusses the power of price and how it can determine the quantity and quality of clients you work with. criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No How Many Referral Sources Do You Need? - The Formula/Quality over Quantity 12 12 How Many Referral Sources Do You Need? - The Formula/Quality over Quantity full 7dbdf05c-7ba8-4f64-bbd6-75ca7503a622 https://share.transistor.fm/s/f59c89e0 In this episode, Josh discusses finding the right networking style for you and shares a simple formula that can help you decide how many referral sources you actually need.

But how many referral sources do you actually need?

Here's the formula: Number of Referral Sources x Cases Per Source x Average Case Value - Expenses = Income

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]]> In this episode, Josh discusses finding the right networking style for you and shares a simple formula that can help you decide how many referral sources you actually need.

But how many referral sources do you actually need?

Here's the formula: Number of Referral Sources x Cases Per Source x Average Case Value - Expenses = Income

Get the book on Amazon

]]> Mon, 30 Jan 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 271 In this episode, Josh discusses finding the right networking style for you and shares a simple formula that can help you decide how many referral sources you actually need. In this episode, Josh discusses finding the right networking style for you and shares a simple formula that can help you decide how many referral sources you actually need. criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Criminal Defense Referrals - The Perfect Strategy 11 11 Criminal Defense Referrals - The Perfect Strategy full 7b6e42ec-edea-4641-80de-7d5a959c731f https://share.transistor.fm/s/ea48d251 In this episode, Joshua shares a story about his grandfather's knack for networking and the importance of playing to your strengths when it comes to building referral relationships and growing your practice. 

]]> In this episode, Joshua shares a story about his grandfather's knack for networking and the importance of playing to your strengths when it comes to building referral relationships and growing your practice. 

]]> Wed, 25 Jan 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 124 In this episode, Joshua shares a story about his grandfather's knack for networking and the importance of playing to your strengths when it comes to building referral relationships and growing your practice. In this episode, Joshua shares a story about his grandfather's knack for networking and the importance of playing to your strengths when it comes to building referral relationships and growing your practice. criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Criminal Defense Referrals - The 20% Rule 10 10 Criminal Defense Referrals - The 20% Rule full e00dbafe-2b64-4fd6-9dc9-b67309bcc85b https://share.transistor.fm/s/610d030f In this brief episode, Joshua discusses the importance of diversifying your referral sources and cautions against solely depending on any one referral party. If any one source makes up 20% or more of your revenue, they're not your partner. They're your boss. Now, that may be a reliable source and a sustainable path for some, but not all. If you're worried current clients or partners may look elsewhere for legal counsel in the future, now might be the time to explore other referral sources.  

]]> In this brief episode, Joshua discusses the importance of diversifying your referral sources and cautions against solely depending on any one referral party. If any one source makes up 20% or more of your revenue, they're not your partner. They're your boss. Now, that may be a reliable source and a sustainable path for some, but not all. If you're worried current clients or partners may look elsewhere for legal counsel in the future, now might be the time to explore other referral sources.  

]]> Mon, 23 Jan 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 71 In this brief episode, Joshua discusses the importance of diversifying your referral sources and cautions against solely depending on any one referral party. In this brief episode, Joshua discusses the importance of diversifying your referral sources and cautions against solely depending on any one referral party. criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Types of Referral Sources - Non-Clients Who Refer Non-Clients 9 9 Types of Referral Sources - Non-Clients Who Refer Non-Clients full a1898e33-a7e3-4477-b1ad-bcd681f015e0 https://share.transistor.fm/s/7d1b0f0b In this episode, Joshua discusses the third category of referrals, which may be the farthest from actual money, but which can be integral to building long-lasting referral relationships. Let's be honest, it can be very awkward to ask for referrals. But, what if we instead asked our lawyer friends if we could have lunch with other attorneys they know? Don't put yourself above doing favors and waiving the fee for a fellow practitioner. Chances are, you know lawyers who know lawyers who have clients that you can help. Playing to your strengths can help expand your network, grow your practice, and cement your reputation as the trusted criminal defense lawyer.  

]]> In this episode, Joshua discusses the third category of referrals, which may be the farthest from actual money, but which can be integral to building long-lasting referral relationships. Let's be honest, it can be very awkward to ask for referrals. But, what if we instead asked our lawyer friends if we could have lunch with other attorneys they know? Don't put yourself above doing favors and waiving the fee for a fellow practitioner. Chances are, you know lawyers who know lawyers who have clients that you can help. Playing to your strengths can help expand your network, grow your practice, and cement your reputation as the trusted criminal defense lawyer.  

]]> Wed, 18 Jan 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 208 In this episode, Joshua discusses the third category of referrals, which may be the farthest from actual money, but which can be integral to building long-lasting referral relationships. In this episode, Joshua discusses the third category of referrals, which may be the farthest from actual money, but which can be integral to building long-lasting referral relationships. criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Types of Referral Sources - Non-Clients Who Refer Clients 8 8 Types of Referral Sources - Non-Clients Who Refer Clients full 7e4c84b8-4375-488a-83e7-f3a375cffe35 https://share.transistor.fm/s/41692db7 In this episode, Joshua discusses the power of building referral relationships with other attorneys. Your friend, the divorce lawyer, may know of a former client who is now in need of criminal defense expertise. Or, a fellow criminal lawyer may know of a co-defendant that needs representation. These are great opportunities to do them a service and meet the need of their dear clients. Take good care of those clients, and other attorneys will knock at your door the next time they have a case out of their wheelhouse. 

]]> In this episode, Joshua discusses the power of building referral relationships with other attorneys. Your friend, the divorce lawyer, may know of a former client who is now in need of criminal defense expertise. Or, a fellow criminal lawyer may know of a co-defendant that needs representation. These are great opportunities to do them a service and meet the need of their dear clients. Take good care of those clients, and other attorneys will knock at your door the next time they have a case out of their wheelhouse. 

]]> Mon, 16 Jan 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 140 In this episode, Joshua discusses the power of building referral relationships with other attorneys. In this episode, Joshua discusses the power of building referral relationships with other attorneys. criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Types of Referral Sources - Clients Who Refer Clients 7 7 Types of Referral Sources - Clients Who Refer Clients full 07cd8908-8dfc-4eff-a865-6144cd72253d https://share.transistor.fm/s/e1f0ba31 In this episode, Joshua discusses three types of referral sources: 1) Clients who refer future clients, 2) Non-Clients who refer clients, and 3) Non-Clients who refer non-clients who refer clients. The first is the most ideal but may only account for 10% of the referrals you receive. Still, it is extremely important that you leave a good impression on your clients. They may refer family members or other close friends. Give them great customer service, and you will be rewarded for it. 

]]> In this episode, Joshua discusses three types of referral sources: 1) Clients who refer future clients, 2) Non-Clients who refer clients, and 3) Non-Clients who refer non-clients who refer clients. The first is the most ideal but may only account for 10% of the referrals you receive. Still, it is extremely important that you leave a good impression on your clients. They may refer family members or other close friends. Give them great customer service, and you will be rewarded for it. 

]]> Wed, 11 Jan 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 121 In this episode, Joshua discusses three types of referral sources: 1) Clients who refer future clients, 2) Non-Clients who refer clients, and 3) Non-Clients who refer non-clients who refer clients. The first is the most ideal but may only account for 10% of the referrals you receive. In this episode, Joshua discusses three types of referral sources: 1) Clients who refer future clients, 2) Non-Clients who refer clients, and 3) Non-Clients who refer non-clients who refer clients. The first is the most ideal but may only account for 10% criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Criminal Defense Referrals - Building Referral Relationships Through Service 6 6 Criminal Defense Referrals - Building Referral Relationships Through Service full 4efc1694-c852-40ca-9647-0565d9e99437 https://share.transistor.fm/s/49c5ecc3 In this episode, Joshua discusses the power of service in building referral relationships. Try serving on the board for a networking organization, such as a rotary club or the criminal section of the BAR. Again, it's essential that you hand pick a few activities that you feel passionate about and can do well rather than doing several activities poorly. Look for opportunities to serve potential referral partners by sending them referrals, covering a court hearing, or providing help with their projects. It's a win-win that reflects well on the referral partner who gains new clients and on you for being the attorney that really cares. 

]]> In this episode, Joshua discusses the power of service in building referral relationships. Try serving on the board for a networking organization, such as a rotary club or the criminal section of the BAR. Again, it's essential that you hand pick a few activities that you feel passionate about and can do well rather than doing several activities poorly. Look for opportunities to serve potential referral partners by sending them referrals, covering a court hearing, or providing help with their projects. It's a win-win that reflects well on the referral partner who gains new clients and on you for being the attorney that really cares. 

]]> Mon, 09 Jan 2023 13:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 173 In this episode, Joshua discusses the power of service in building referral relationships. In this episode, Joshua discusses the power of service in building referral relationships. criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Criminal Defense Referrals - Building Referral Relationships Through Gifts 5 5 Criminal Defense Referrals - Building Referral Relationships Through Gifts full b5654b34-970e-4479-b759-323d8f61a4c6 https://share.transistor.fm/s/a74511e8 In this episode, Joshua discusses the challenges and benefits of giving gifts. Here, quid pro quo is a no-go. The best kinds of gifts place the focus on the recipient and demonstrate sincere care rather than transactional expectation of recompense. Give gifts with honest intentions and you might just gain a few referrals!

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]]> In this episode, Joshua discusses the challenges and benefits of giving gifts. Here, quid pro quo is a no-go. The best kinds of gifts place the focus on the recipient and demonstrate sincere care rather than transactional expectation of recompense. Give gifts with honest intentions and you might just gain a few referrals!

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]]> Wed, 04 Jan 2023 11:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 330 In this episode, Joshua discusses the challenges and benefits of giving gifts. Here, quid pro quo is a no-go. The best kinds of gifts place the focus on the recipient and demonstrate sincere care rather than transactional expectation of recompense. Give gifts with honest intentions and you might just gain a few referrals! In this episode, Joshua discusses the challenges and benefits of giving gifts. Here, quid pro quo is a no-go. The best kinds of gifts place the focus on the recipient and demonstrate sincere care rather than transactional expectation of recompense. Give g criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Criminal Defense Referrals - Building Referral Relationships Through Words 4 4 Criminal Defense Referrals - Building Referral Relationships Through Words full a0996e61-119c-4cea-8da0-2775e410cb82 https://share.transistor.fm/s/46b61949 In this episode, Joshua discusses the impact of kind words in conversation, a written note, email, or text. If you enjoy sending cards, for instance, it's important to choose materials that are easily accessible to you as well as a size of card that is appropriate and proportional to the message you intend to send. Just as critical is the specificity of the words used. Being concrete in your complements can show an individual that you actively observe, listen to, and admire their work. If this is your cup of tea, set a goal to do it consistently and expect results!

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]]> In this episode, Joshua discusses the impact of kind words in conversation, a written note, email, or text. If you enjoy sending cards, for instance, it's important to choose materials that are easily accessible to you as well as a size of card that is appropriate and proportional to the message you intend to send. Just as critical is the specificity of the words used. Being concrete in your complements can show an individual that you actively observe, listen to, and admire their work. If this is your cup of tea, set a goal to do it consistently and expect results!

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]]> Mon, 02 Jan 2023 10:27:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 245 In this episode, Joshua discusses the impact of kind words in conversation, a written note, email, or text. If you enjoy sending cards, for instance, it's important to choose materials that are easily accessible to you as well as a size of card that is appropriate and proportional to the message you intend to send. Just as critical is the specificity of the words used. Being concrete in your complements can show an individual that you actively observe, listen to, and admire their work. If this is your cup of tea, set a goal to do it consistently and expect results! In this episode, Joshua discusses the impact of kind words in conversation, a written note, email, or text. If you enjoy sending cards, for instance, it's important to choose materials that are easily accessible to you as well as a size of card that is ap criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Criminal Defense Referrals - Building Referral Relationships Through Time 3 3 Criminal Defense Referrals - Building Referral Relationships Through Time full 37f4e378-5e08-48f5-b55d-d648edb6a752 https://share.transistor.fm/s/92f76121 In this episode, Joshua discusses his favorite referral-building activity: quality time. Be it a lunch with other attorneys, a continuing education event, or a phone call to a former connection, the key is to choose people who you genuinely enjoy spending time with, and to focus on their challenges and desires. Consistent, thoughtful interaction with other lawyers can lead to fruitful relationships - and maybe a few referrals!

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]]> In this episode, Joshua discusses his favorite referral-building activity: quality time. Be it a lunch with other attorneys, a continuing education event, or a phone call to a former connection, the key is to choose people who you genuinely enjoy spending time with, and to focus on their challenges and desires. Consistent, thoughtful interaction with other lawyers can lead to fruitful relationships - and maybe a few referrals!

Get the book on Amazon!

]]> Wed, 28 Dec 2022 10:24:25 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 359 In this episode, Joshua discusses his favorite referral-building activity: quality time. Be it a lunch with other attorneys, a continuing education event, or a phone call to a former connection, the key is to choose people who you genuinely enjoy spending time with, and to focus on their challenges and desires. Consistent, thoughtful interaction with other lawyers can lead to fruitful relationships - and maybe a few referrals! In this episode, Joshua discusses his favorite referral-building activity: quality time. Be it a lunch with other attorneys, a continuing education event, or a phone call to a former connection, the key is to choose people who you genuinely enjoy spending criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Criminal Defense Referrals - How Do You Build Referral Relationships? 2 2 Criminal Defense Referrals - How Do You Build Referral Relationships? full d733ea48-f913-40c9-bba8-87fc57408e2d https://share.transistor.fm/s/6c2d0c7b In this episode, Joshua invites us to consider the impact of giving ourselves permission to find and do the referral-building activities that bring us joy. Whether it be offering a kind word, spending quality time, giving a gift, or providing small, sincere acts of service, the most effective method should be the one that comes easy and naturally. 

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]]> In this episode, Joshua invites us to consider the impact of giving ourselves permission to find and do the referral-building activities that bring us joy. Whether it be offering a kind word, spending quality time, giving a gift, or providing small, sincere acts of service, the most effective method should be the one that comes easy and naturally. 

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]]> Mon, 26 Dec 2022 15:00:00 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 117 In this episode, Joshua invites us to consider the impact of giving ourselves permission to find and do the referral-building activities that bring us joy. Whether it be offering a kind word, spending quality time, giving a gift, or providing small, sincere acts of service, the most effective method should be the one that comes easy and naturally. In this episode, Joshua invites us to consider the impact of giving ourselves permission to find and do the referral-building activities that bring us joy. Whether it be offering a kind word, spending quality time, giving a gift, or providing small, since criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Criminal Defense Referrals: Introduction and Why Referrals? 1 1 Criminal Defense Referrals: Introduction and Why Referrals? full 12ee1a86-361e-4ca9-b314-7b25b46cd3cf https://share.transistor.fm/s/907fc93d In this episode, Joshua discusses the hidden costs of advertising and the joys of building referrals relationships. He also makes a compelling case for referrals that may just convince the skeptics who are clinging to Google, billboards, and SEO consultants.

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]]> In this episode, Joshua discusses the hidden costs of advertising and the joys of building referrals relationships. He also makes a compelling case for referrals that may just convince the skeptics who are clinging to Google, billboards, and SEO consultants.

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]]> Wed, 21 Dec 2022 10:59:05 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 495 In this episode, Joshua discusses the hidden costs of advertising and the joys of building referrals relationships. He also makes a compelling case for referrals that may just convince the skeptics who are clinging to Google, billboards, and SEO consultants. In this episode, Joshua discusses the hidden costs of advertising and the joys of building referrals relationships. He also makes a compelling case for referrals that may just convince the skeptics who are clinging to Google, billboards, and SEO consultan criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Trailer - Criminal Defense Referrals Trailer - Criminal Defense Referrals trailer d6c537f3-a73f-4495-a7c5-3343f28ba99e https://share.transistor.fm/s/89bb4c54 In this episode, Joshua Baron introduces his latest book, Criminal Defense Referrals: How to Fire Google and Connect with your Ideal Clients. He discusses several approaches to finding referrals, and the benefits of finding what works best for you and your practice. 

In other words, the book helps criminal defense lawyers build referral relationships that lead to a business those lawyers love.

When I was in law school, the institution put on an event focused on teaching students how to start their own law firms. They had one-hour sessions with three or four successful lawyers. My only question was: how do you get clients? They talked about copiers or leasing an office space... but never answered that burning question. I was appreciative of these individuals and their generous donation of time and knowledge, yet the information they shared was vague and often resulted in invitations to join local bar sections or rotary clubs.

I was perplexed. How long would it take to acquire clients and get the firm off the ground? How much could I expect to make? How reliable was this structure?

In 2017, my business partner retired and I had the opportunity to ask myself: What do I want my law practice to look like? How would I get my name out there? Advertising was the usual answer. But that didn't feel right. I looked around and recognized that several of my colleagues met all of their clients through referrals. Bingo. I took a lot of their advice, and left behind those things that didn't work for me.

The result: Criminal Defense Referrals.

This book is not meant to be a cookie-cutter, fill-in-the-blank workbook. Instead, it's organized around 10 questions that you need to answer in order to build your referral business. After all, your business and cases will look different than what I've built over the past few years. 

But by thinking carefully about these questions, I'm confident you can build a business around sincere, word-of-mouth referrals without having to worry about those pesky kickback fees for paid advertisements. 

 

]]> In this episode, Joshua Baron introduces his latest book, Criminal Defense Referrals: How to Fire Google and Connect with your Ideal Clients. He discusses several approaches to finding referrals, and the benefits of finding what works best for you and your practice. 

In other words, the book helps criminal defense lawyers build referral relationships that lead to a business those lawyers love.

When I was in law school, the institution put on an event focused on teaching students how to start their own law firms. They had one-hour sessions with three or four successful lawyers. My only question was: how do you get clients? They talked about copiers or leasing an office space... but never answered that burning question. I was appreciative of these individuals and their generous donation of time and knowledge, yet the information they shared was vague and often resulted in invitations to join local bar sections or rotary clubs.

I was perplexed. How long would it take to acquire clients and get the firm off the ground? How much could I expect to make? How reliable was this structure?

In 2017, my business partner retired and I had the opportunity to ask myself: What do I want my law practice to look like? How would I get my name out there? Advertising was the usual answer. But that didn't feel right. I looked around and recognized that several of my colleagues met all of their clients through referrals. Bingo. I took a lot of their advice, and left behind those things that didn't work for me.

The result: Criminal Defense Referrals.

This book is not meant to be a cookie-cutter, fill-in-the-blank workbook. Instead, it's organized around 10 questions that you need to answer in order to build your referral business. After all, your business and cases will look different than what I've built over the past few years. 

But by thinking carefully about these questions, I'm confident you can build a business around sincere, word-of-mouth referrals without having to worry about those pesky kickback fees for paid advertisements. 

 

]]> Mon, 19 Dec 2022 15:07:46 -0700 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 140 In this episode, Joshua Baron introduces his latest book, Criminal Defense Referrals: How to Fire Google and Connect with your Ideal Clients. He discusses several approaches to finding referrals, and the benefits of finding what works best for you and your practice. In this episode, Joshua Baron introduces his latest book, Criminal Defense Referrals: How to Fire Google and Connect with your Ideal Clients. He discusses several approaches to finding referrals, and the benefits of finding what works best for you and you criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No How to go on vacation with Shreya Ley 7 7 How to go on vacation with Shreya Ley full 0e8f90fc-81ea-4648-9644-2eaf3e718307 https://share.transistor.fm/s/76c09d8d Connect with Shreya on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shreya-ley-36b46825/
Shreya's law firm: https://www.layroots.com/

Shreya's vacation responders:

LayRoots Out of Office Messages

August 2017

Colin and I are currently in Jackson, WY, attempting to summit the Grand Teton.  If you have spoken to us over the last year, then you probably know that we have been training for this trip for the last year or so. I jokingly say that we are testing the limits of our relationship because you really have to trust each other when climbing up a 1,500 foot face together...and camping in the back country.  Be prepared for stories upon our return.  

We're only going to be gone a week so if you need to talk to me, please consider scheduling some time with me using this calendar: https://www.layroots.com/schedule or by calling our office number: 206-219-9559

Alternatively, you can leave me a detailed email message and I will get back to you once I'm off the mountain.

If this is an emergency, consider asking for Dr. Ron.  He's very nice.

June 2018

Some of you may not know this, but LayRoots was born on a surf trip five years ago.  Colin and I were camping and surfing on the Washington State coast.  Shreya was unhappy at her corporate job.  Colin was working for a number of national firms and feeling the grind.  Sitting around the campfire, looking at the stars, we dreamt up a life where we built the kind of company that we would enjoy working for...that was more...human.  

Fast forward five years and we have our growing business.  We recently realized we had been so busy supporting other people's lives and businesses (which we love) that we had been neglecting our own in some ways!

So, we are off to Mexico to surf and spend some uninterrupted time working ON the business and building out some of our content and systems.  

We hope that YOU will see the benefit of this time so thank you for being patient with us.  

We will have limited connectivity but it may take us a little longer to respond.  We don't want to get our keyboard sandy.  

We will be back soon, so please consider scheduling some time with me using this calendar: 15 Minute Appointment

OR our receptionist will help you to schedule if you call our office number: 206-219-9559


Alternatively, you can leave me a detailed email message and I will get back to you when I can.

December 2018

Some of you know this already, but the Lawyer-Human Show is going on the road!  We will be working for the next 5 weeks from Cambodia --> Thailand --> Vietnam.  Feel free to follow along on our journey on Instagram (@lawyerhuman).  

Don't worry - we still got you.  We are working - we are just working really odd hours.  We will be available by email and limited to appointment-only for phone meetings (and it will be Zoom-based).  Thank you for understanding! 

The phone appts will generally occur between 5-7pm Seattle-time.

Email me with an appt request and I will get back to you as soon as I get it. Alternatively, you can leave me a detailed email message and I will get back to you when I can.

Hey there! We <3 you.  Our replies are delayed a bit for the next 5 weeks because we are working remotely from SE Asia.  So, 1) that explains the 3am emails/delayed response; 2) our phone availability is by appointment only.  Thanks for sticking with us and being patient!

October 2019

Some of you know this already, but the Lawyer-Human Show is going on the road again! We are fulfilling two dreams: 1) of having a business that we can periodically take with us (so, no, it's not a burden to be working during our travels - we're quite grateful for the opportunity); and 2) Colin's dream of exploring Peru before he turns the big 4-0.  

So, we will be vacationing and working for 3 weeks from Peru and then we are speaking at a national conference in San Diego. Feel free to follow along on our journey on Instagram (@lawyerhuman and @shreyley) or on our podcast "The Lawyer-Human Show."  

Don't worry - we still got you, but we WILL be making time for ourselves to explore too. So, we won't be available ALL the time. For example, when we are trekking through the Andes, we will not have any availability.  We will get back to you as soon as we can, though. You are important to us and we thank you for understanding! 

Email me with an appointment request and some deets, and I will get back to you as soon as I get it. 


July 2021

We are at snowboard camp on vacation July 5-11. 

We will be checking emails, but our responses will likely be delayed.

-- Colin & Shreya

If you need help scheduling an appointment or need to converse with a person more immediately, please call 206-219-9559 OR make an initial phone appointment if you're new, at this link. Once we get notice of your message, we will call you back as soon as we can.

]]> Connect with Shreya on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/shreya-ley-36b46825/
Shreya's law firm: https://www.layroots.com/

Shreya's vacation responders:

LayRoots Out of Office Messages

August 2017

Colin and I are currently in Jackson, WY, attempting to summit the Grand Teton.  If you have spoken to us over the last year, then you probably know that we have been training for this trip for the last year or so. I jokingly say that we are testing the limits of our relationship because you really have to trust each other when climbing up a 1,500 foot face together...and camping in the back country.  Be prepared for stories upon our return.  

We're only going to be gone a week so if you need to talk to me, please consider scheduling some time with me using this calendar: https://www.layroots.com/schedule or by calling our office number: 206-219-9559

Alternatively, you can leave me a detailed email message and I will get back to you once I'm off the mountain.

If this is an emergency, consider asking for Dr. Ron.  He's very nice.

June 2018

Some of you may not know this, but LayRoots was born on a surf trip five years ago.  Colin and I were camping and surfing on the Washington State coast.  Shreya was unhappy at her corporate job.  Colin was working for a number of national firms and feeling the grind.  Sitting around the campfire, looking at the stars, we dreamt up a life where we built the kind of company that we would enjoy working for...that was more...human.  

Fast forward five years and we have our growing business.  We recently realized we had been so busy supporting other people's lives and businesses (which we love) that we had been neglecting our own in some ways!

So, we are off to Mexico to surf and spend some uninterrupted time working ON the business and building out some of our content and systems.  

We hope that YOU will see the benefit of this time so thank you for being patient with us.  

We will have limited connectivity but it may take us a little longer to respond.  We don't want to get our keyboard sandy.  

We will be back soon, so please consider scheduling some time with me using this calendar: 15 Minute Appointment

OR our receptionist will help you to schedule if you call our office number: 206-219-9559


Alternatively, you can leave me a detailed email message and I will get back to you when I can.

December 2018

Some of you know this already, but the Lawyer-Human Show is going on the road!  We will be working for the next 5 weeks from Cambodia --> Thailand --> Vietnam.  Feel free to follow along on our journey on Instagram (@lawyerhuman).  

Don't worry - we still got you.  We are working - we are just working really odd hours.  We will be available by email and limited to appointment-only for phone meetings (and it will be Zoom-based).  Thank you for understanding! 

The phone appts will generally occur between 5-7pm Seattle-time.

Email me with an appt request and I will get back to you as soon as I get it. Alternatively, you can leave me a detailed email message and I will get back to you when I can.

Hey there! We <3 you.  Our replies are delayed a bit for the next 5 weeks because we are working remotely from SE Asia.  So, 1) that explains the 3am emails/delayed response; 2) our phone availability is by appointment only.  Thanks for sticking with us and being patient!

October 2019

Some of you know this already, but the Lawyer-Human Show is going on the road again! We are fulfilling two dreams: 1) of having a business that we can periodically take with us (so, no, it's not a burden to be working during our travels - we're quite grateful for the opportunity); and 2) Colin's dream of exploring Peru before he turns the big 4-0.  

So, we will be vacationing and working for 3 weeks from Peru and then we are speaking at a national conference in San Diego. Feel free to follow along on our journey on Instagram (@lawyerhuman and @shreyley) or on our podcast "The Lawyer-Human Show."  

Don't worry - we still got you, but we WILL be making time for ourselves to explore too. So, we won't be available ALL the time. For example, when we are trekking through the Andes, we will not have any availability.  We will get back to you as soon as we can, though. You are important to us and we thank you for understanding! 

Email me with an appointment request and some deets, and I will get back to you as soon as I get it. 


July 2021

We are at snowboard camp on vacation July 5-11. 

We will be checking emails, but our responses will likely be delayed.

-- Colin & Shreya

If you need help scheduling an appointment or need to converse with a person more immediately, please call 206-219-9559 OR make an initial phone appointment if you're new, at this link. Once we get notice of your message, we will call you back as soon as we can.

]]> Tue, 05 Oct 2021 11:19:21 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 1175 Shreya is able to go on cool vacations to adult camps, Peru, and snowboarding adventures despite owning and running a busy small law practice. She teaches us how to set expectations with clients and attract clients who respect boundaries. Shreya is able to go on cool vacations to adult camps, Peru, and snowboarding adventures despite owning and running a busy small law practice. She teaches us how to set expectations with clients and attract clients who respect boundaries. criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No How to switch from prosecution to criminal defense with Alison Saros 6 6 How to switch from prosecution to criminal defense with Alison Saros full 9694a5ea-d0de-4045-adf7-1c547df1b5b4 https://share.transistor.fm/s/33522eb9 Alison Saros was a prosecutor for the Los Angeles County District Attorney. But she left because she felt a desire to help young people before they got into the criminal justice system. She eventually found her way back to the courtroom as a criminal defense attorney. But her approach borders on social work. She wants to solve the problems that led to her clients getting into trouble.

Alison teaches us how to go from prosecution to defense. She also shared that the biggest tool in her success has been her ability to build relationships that solve problems.

Alison's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-saros-7b207636/
Alison's firm: https://saroslaw.com/

]]> Alison Saros was a prosecutor for the Los Angeles County District Attorney. But she left because she felt a desire to help young people before they got into the criminal justice system. She eventually found her way back to the courtroom as a criminal defense attorney. But her approach borders on social work. She wants to solve the problems that led to her clients getting into trouble.

Alison teaches us how to go from prosecution to defense. She also shared that the biggest tool in her success has been her ability to build relationships that solve problems.

Alison's LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/alison-saros-7b207636/
Alison's firm: https://saroslaw.com/

]]> Wed, 15 Sep 2021 10:54:02 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 775 Alison teaches us how to go from prosecution to defense. She also shared that the biggest tool in her success has been her ability to build relationships that solve problems. Alison teaches us how to go from prosecution to defense. She also shared that the biggest tool in her success has been her ability to build relationships that solve problems. criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No How to hire your first employee with Beth Slate 5 5 How to hire your first employee with Beth Slate full aa51e7da-815c-48b4-96f2-cb5f4e36c812 https://share.transistor.fm/s/53464039 Beth Slate teaches us how to identify the tasks and roles that should inform your first hire. What's at the center of your desk? What jobs energize you? What do you postpone until the end of the month? Those tasks are at the corner of your desk. Hire for the corner jobs.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bethkslate/

beth@sparrowconsultants.com

]]> Beth Slate teaches us how to identify the tasks and roles that should inform your first hire. What's at the center of your desk? What jobs energize you? What do you postpone until the end of the month? Those tasks are at the corner of your desk. Hire for the corner jobs.

https://www.linkedin.com/in/bethkslate/

beth@sparrowconsultants.com

]]> Wed, 08 Sep 2021 09:55:11 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 322 Beth Slate teaches us how to identify the tasks and roles that should inform your first hire. What's at the center of your desk? What jobs energize you? What do you postpone until the end of the month? Those tasks are at the corner of your desk. Hire for the corner jobs. Beth Slate teaches us how to identify the tasks and roles that should inform your first hire. What's at the center of your desk? What jobs energize you? What do you postpone until the end of the month? Those tasks are at the corner of your desk. Hire for criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Bonus Episode: How to Replace a Referral Attorney 4 4 Bonus Episode: How to Replace a Referral Attorney bonus efad2ed8-fa4b-4fd0-99d6-0afb8da4b6d0 https://share.transistor.fm/s/33bf1c5e Send questions to baron.josh@gmail.com or https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuabaron/.

]]> Send questions to baron.josh@gmail.com or https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshuabaron/.

]]> Fri, 27 Aug 2021 14:31:39 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 402 Joshua answers a question from a listener. How do you create a referral relationship with someone who already has a criminal attorney they send cases to? Joshua answers a question from a listener. How do you create a referral relationship with someone who already has a criminal attorney they send cases to? criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No How to build relationships through thought leadership with Jay Harrington 3 3 How to build relationships through thought leadership with Jay Harrington full 7aeaf135-3f52-4a24-8d55-dcc2cd244a6e https://share.transistor.fm/s/8c5bd0cd Follow Jay on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayharrington/
Jay's consulting practice https://www.hcommunications.biz/about/jay-harrington
Jay's podcast, The Thought Leadership Podcast https://www.hcommunications.biz/thethoughtleadershipproject

]]> Follow Jay on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/jayharrington/
Jay's consulting practice https://www.hcommunications.biz/about/jay-harrington
Jay's podcast, The Thought Leadership Podcast https://www.hcommunications.biz/thethoughtleadershipproject

]]> Wed, 25 Aug 2021 00:01:00 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 2642 What if you could position yourself as an expert with your clients and referral sources before they need you? Jay Harrington has done that and taught lawyers to do that on LinkedIn and through his consulting practice. He taught me how to find your audience, how to know what to teach them, and how to build a practice of making great content for them. What if you could position yourself as an expert with your clients and referral sources before they need you? Jay Harrington has done that and taught lawyers to do that on LinkedIn and through his consulting practice. He taught me how to find your audienc criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No How to avoid nightmare clients with Josh Camson 2 2 How to avoid nightmare clients with Josh Camson full f6d41340-ca0a-4fc9-911c-e8a8a28727de https://share.transistor.fm/s/d8da990d Follow Josh Camson on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshcamson/
Josh Camson's firm profile: https://millerturetsky.com/dt_team/josh-camson/
Josh Camson's Podcast, Interrogatories: https://montgomerybar.podbean.com/

]]> Follow Josh Camson on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/joshcamson/
Josh Camson's firm profile: https://millerturetsky.com/dt_team/josh-camson/
Josh Camson's Podcast, Interrogatories: https://montgomerybar.podbean.com/

]]> Tue, 17 Aug 2021 00:01:00 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 1931 Josh Camson teaches us how to avoid being so desperate that you'll work with clients your gut tells you to stay away from. Josh Camson teaches us how to avoid being so desperate that you'll work with clients your gut tells you to stay away from. criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No How to go the extra mile for your clients with Jordan Ostroff 1 1 How to go the extra mile for your clients with Jordan Ostroff full b28788aa-c57a-4469-b100-b5abb30fa871 https://share.transistor.fm/s/3a15ae4f Follow Jordan Ostroff on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-ostroff/
Jordan's consulting company LegalEase Marketing https://legaleasemarketing.com/
Jordan's law firm https://www.jordanlawfl.com/
Jordan's podcast Exhibit (A)ttorney https://anchor.fm/legalease-marketing

]]> Follow Jordan Ostroff on LinkedIn at https://www.linkedin.com/in/jordan-ostroff/
Jordan's consulting company LegalEase Marketing https://legaleasemarketing.com/
Jordan's law firm https://www.jordanlawfl.com/
Jordan's podcast Exhibit (A)ttorney https://anchor.fm/legalease-marketing

]]> Wed, 11 Aug 2021 07:49:00 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 1551 Going the extra mile for your clients leads to 5-star reviews, referrals, and revenue. Jordan shares best practices like the exact questions to ask to get accurate feedback, how to ask for a review, and how to measure the right things for your law firm. Going the extra mile for your clients leads to 5-star reviews, referrals, and revenue. Jordan shares best practices like the exact questions to ask to get accurate feedback, how to ask for a review, and how to measure the right things for your law firm. criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No Trailer - Coming Soon - The Business of Criminal Law Trailer - Coming Soon - The Business of Criminal Law trailer 7224e7d7-8cf3-4a5c-9ee0-87a87cea37dd https://share.transistor.fm/s/fe90d7ab Welcome to The Business of Criminal Law. My name is Joshua Baron.


In 2009, I left my job as a criminal prosecutor and started a criminal defense law firm. It was scary. I had no clients. I had never represented an individual client. I had no idea what I was doing.


This is a podcast for people who are obsessed with the business side of criminal law. You won’t find how-tos for cross examination on this podcast. Instead, we’ll talk about how to get clients, how to set your prices, and how to run your practice.


I’ve been doing this for over twelve years. I love my criminal defense practice. I want to help you build a thriving practice. We need you.


If you’re a practicing criminal defense lawyer, this podcast will help you grow your practice and find the clients you can help better than anyone else. If you’re trying to decide if you can start your own practice, the answer is you can! And you should! We need you.


Practicing criminal defense doesn’t have to be thankless or exhausting. There are motivated clients who want your help and your expertise. If you’re ready to practice differently, then join us. Start listening and start practicing criminal defense law in a way that you and your clients will love.

SB Legal
The Business of Criminal Law Book
The Business of Criminal Law Site
Connect with Josh on LinkedIn

]]> Welcome to The Business of Criminal Law. My name is Joshua Baron.


In 2009, I left my job as a criminal prosecutor and started a criminal defense law firm. It was scary. I had no clients. I had never represented an individual client. I had no idea what I was doing.


This is a podcast for people who are obsessed with the business side of criminal law. You won’t find how-tos for cross examination on this podcast. Instead, we’ll talk about how to get clients, how to set your prices, and how to run your practice.


I’ve been doing this for over twelve years. I love my criminal defense practice. I want to help you build a thriving practice. We need you.


If you’re a practicing criminal defense lawyer, this podcast will help you grow your practice and find the clients you can help better than anyone else. If you’re trying to decide if you can start your own practice, the answer is you can! And you should! We need you.


Practicing criminal defense doesn’t have to be thankless or exhausting. There are motivated clients who want your help and your expertise. If you’re ready to practice differently, then join us. Start listening and start practicing criminal defense law in a way that you and your clients will love.

SB Legal
The Business of Criminal Law Book
The Business of Criminal Law Site
Connect with Josh on LinkedIn

]]> Wed, 07 Jul 2021 11:05:45 -0600 Joshua Baron Joshua Baron 85 Practicing criminal defense doesn’t have to be thankless or exhausting. There are motivated clients who want your help and your expertise. If you’re ready to practice differently, then join us. Start listening and start practicing criminal defense law in a way that you and your clients will love. Practicing criminal defense doesn’t have to be thankless or exhausting. There are motivated clients who want your help and your expertise. If you’re ready to practice differently, then join us. Start listening and start practicing criminal defense law in criminal law, law practice, business of law, joshua baron, law, start a law practice No