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        <![CDATA[<p>Marketing works. Late fees don't. John is speaking at Laracon EU! We review our OKRs and cash situation. John has more mic issues.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Matt runs <a href="https://tighten.com/">Tighten</a>, and is a kind of big brother to us. We ask him about running agencies, building teams, hiring senior developers, and a lot more. Watch his new Laracast series "<a href="https://laracasts.com/series/how-to-build-a-dev-team">How to Build a Dev Team</a>" now. </p>]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Our biggest client had a problem. We tried to get out in front of it, with mixed success. Here's what we learned. Join the new social game <a href="https://thesocialgame.gg/games/370174136659824640/pre-game-lobby">here</a>. Listen to John's clickbait episode about it <a href="https://notesonplay.transistor.fm/episodes/10-a-board-game-with-hundreds-of-players">here</a>. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Our biggest client had a problem. We tried to get out in front of it, with mixed success. Here's what we learned. Join the new social game <a href="https://thesocialgame.gg/games/370174136659824640/pre-game-lobby">here</a>. Listen to John's clickbait episode about it <a href="https://notesonplay.transistor.fm/episodes/10-a-board-game-with-hundreds-of-players">here</a>. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Our biggest client had a problem. We tried to get out in front of it, with mixed success. Here's what we learned. Join the new social game <a href="https://thesocialgame.gg/games/370174136659824640/pre-game-lobby">here</a>. Listen to John's clickbait episode about it <a href="https://notesonplay.transistor.fm/episodes/10-a-board-game-with-hundreds-of-players">here</a>. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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    <item>
      <title>76: Pitching our next conference talks</title>
      <itunes:episode>78</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>78</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>76: Pitching our next conference talks</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/078c31f8</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are busy as heck, with more work coming in. <a href="https://forge.laravel.com/">Forge</a> launches this week. <a href="https://wire-live.com/">Wire:live</a> is filling up fast. Listen to <a href="https://notesonplay.transistor.fm/">John's new game podcast</a>. We brainstorm the next conference talks we want to give.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are busy as heck, with more work coming in. <a href="https://forge.laravel.com/">Forge</a> launches this week. <a href="https://wire-live.com/">Wire:live</a> is filling up fast. Listen to <a href="https://notesonplay.transistor.fm/">John's new game podcast</a>. We brainstorm the next conference talks we want to give.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 30 Sep 2025 14:12:04 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/078c31f8/15fdd7d9.mp3" length="58928231" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3678</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are busy as heck, with more work coming in. <a href="https://forge.laravel.com/">Forge</a> launches this week. <a href="https://wire-live.com/">Wire:live</a> is filling up fast. Listen to <a href="https://notesonplay.transistor.fm/">John's new game podcast</a>. We brainstorm the next conference talks we want to give.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>75: The good kind of scary</title>
      <itunes:episode>77</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>77</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>75: The good kind of scary</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/f1c83113</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We're at an exciting but scary inflection point as a company. <a href="https://wire-live.com/">Wire:live</a> is filling up fast! John is sad about the internet, but excited about real life. Daniel likes Billy Joel.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We're at an exciting but scary inflection point as a company. <a href="https://wire-live.com/">Wire:live</a> is filling up fast! John is sad about the internet, but excited about real life. Daniel likes Billy Joel.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2025 14:56:57 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/f1c83113/9b000dd5.mp3" length="37469777" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2337</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We're at an exciting but scary inflection point as a company. <a href="https://wire-live.com/">Wire:live</a> is filling up fast! John is sad about the internet, but excited about real life. Daniel likes Billy Joel.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>74: Radical truth telling</title>
      <itunes:episode>76</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>76</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>74: Radical truth telling</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">a59cf80b-8c7a-4a7e-af3a-85d915e2f808</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/ae7da532</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We landed a big client, and things are heating up. We learned once again that telling the truth and being candid is the best path. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We landed a big client, and things are heating up. We learned once again that telling the truth and being candid is the best path. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2025 14:16:52 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/ae7da532/89d6766d.mp3" length="39821632" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2484</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We landed a big client, and things are heating up. We learned once again that telling the truth and being candid is the best path. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>73: Be a sustainable business</title>
      <itunes:episode>75</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>75</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>73: Be a sustainable business</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">43ef9ffa-e158-42f7-86b1-58fc3b66958b</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/3bb28e11</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We finally talk about our OKRs for the remainder of the year.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We finally talk about our OKRs for the remainder of the year.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Sep 2025 15:55:24 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/3bb28e11/1a21b8be.mp3" length="50993685" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3182</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We finally talk about our OKRs for the remainder of the year.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>72: wire:live</title>
      <itunes:episode>74</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>74</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>72: wire:live</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">3afe93a2-76d7-41f1-bc25-ff5399b75c1a</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/cb268d89</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p><a href="http://wire-live.com/">Wire:live</a> in Buffalo October 28. Get your tickets today! We had some technical difficulties, and weren't even sure if it was recording, so this one is all over the place. Spicy takes, jack booted thugs, A24, Weapons, video games, and restaurants. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><a href="http://wire-live.com/">Wire:live</a> in Buffalo October 28. Get your tickets today! We had some technical difficulties, and weren't even sure if it was recording, so this one is all over the place. Spicy takes, jack booted thugs, A24, Weapons, video games, and restaurants. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2025 14:40:09 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/cb268d89/cd6581a7.mp3" length="77503704" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3871</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p><a href="http://wire-live.com/">Wire:live</a> in Buffalo October 28. Get your tickets today! We had some technical difficulties, and weren't even sure if it was recording, so this one is all over the place. Spicy takes, jack booted thugs, A24, Weapons, video games, and restaurants. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>71: No dogs, no ponies</title>
      <itunes:episode>73</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>73</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>71: No dogs, no ponies</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">1f506150-5e73-40bf-b5c0-5091119e24bb</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/3df462ff</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are streamers now. Kapow now has a client portal. <a href="https://notesonplay.transistor.fm/">John has a new podcast</a>. We had another accounting / tax crisis that has driven us to the edge of sanity.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are streamers now. Kapow now has a client portal. <a href="https://notesonplay.transistor.fm/">John has a new podcast</a>. We had another accounting / tax crisis that has driven us to the edge of sanity.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 19 Aug 2025 16:00:29 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/3df462ff/9ee84e20.mp3" length="60580408" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3781</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are streamers now. Kapow now has a client portal. <a href="https://notesonplay.transistor.fm/">John has a new podcast</a>. We had another accounting / tax crisis that has driven us to the edge of sanity.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>70: A deeply unserious Laracon recap</title>
      <itunes:episode>72</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>72</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>70: A deeply unserious Laracon recap</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">90170767-d7b6-4dc8-91a1-e10baf351192</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/c275f93e</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>If you're looking for that incisive, smart business insight, go ahead and skip this one. We talk dogs, Laracon, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zki4d6sHhy4">John's talk</a>, Laravel Forge, the upcoming Livewire conference, game design, <a href="https://thesocialgame.gg/">The Social Game</a>, a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef568d0CrRY">video</a> John's obsessed with, and Rust (the video game).</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>If you're looking for that incisive, smart business insight, go ahead and skip this one. We talk dogs, Laracon, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zki4d6sHhy4">John's talk</a>, Laravel Forge, the upcoming Livewire conference, game design, <a href="https://thesocialgame.gg/">The Social Game</a>, a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef568d0CrRY">video</a> John's obsessed with, and Rust (the video game).</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2025 15:44:28 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/c275f93e/8b234ffc.mp3" length="46057594" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2874</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>If you're looking for that incisive, smart business insight, go ahead and skip this one. We talk dogs, Laracon, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zki4d6sHhy4">John's talk</a>, Laravel Forge, the upcoming Livewire conference, game design, <a href="https://thesocialgame.gg/">The Social Game</a>, a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ef568d0CrRY">video</a> John's obsessed with, and Rust (the video game).</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>69: We'd be richer if we lied more</title>
      <itunes:episode>71</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>71</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>69: We'd be richer if we lied more</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">0c7b68e6-0553-42ce-b00e-dfe7444a45e7</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/4415dc00</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss the Beatles. Daniel reviewed John's code on the Social Game. Finally, we lost a proposal for a big contract. We wonder if the entire RFP process is antithetical to what we do.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss the Beatles. Daniel reviewed John's code on the Social Game. Finally, we lost a proposal for a big contract. We wonder if the entire RFP process is antithetical to what we do.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2025 13:24:12 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/4415dc00/5d7a43bf.mp3" length="42033063" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2622</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss the Beatles. Daniel reviewed John's code on the Social Game. Finally, we lost a proposal for a big contract. We wonder if the entire RFP process is antithetical to what we do.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>68: The pitch to the "lower middle market"</title>
      <itunes:episode>70</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>70</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>68: The pitch to the "lower middle market"</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/15c43452</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel and Chris are nearly done with Verbs 1.0. We settle into our new roles. John prepares another talk directed at non-tech companies. Finally, we think through what we want the business to look like at the end of the year. And we recap where we are with Kapow.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel and Chris are nearly done with Verbs 1.0. We settle into our new roles. John prepares another talk directed at non-tech companies. Finally, we think through what we want the business to look like at the end of the year. And we recap where we are with Kapow.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2025 19:47:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/15c43452/ad9c5b72.mp3" length="54430577" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3397</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel and Chris are nearly done with Verbs 1.0. We settle into our new roles. John prepares another talk directed at non-tech companies. Finally, we think through what we want the business to look like at the end of the year. And we recap where we are with Kapow.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>67: We fire Daniel (from project management)</title>
      <itunes:episode>69</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>69</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>67: We fire Daniel (from project management)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/17419c8c</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We played the Social Game a lot, and it's so cool. Daniel is not going to do project management at Thunk anymore, and we brainstorm how we backfill for him. Finally, we review our OKRs for the first half of the year.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We played the Social Game a lot, and it's so cool. Daniel is not going to do project management at Thunk anymore, and we brainstorm how we backfill for him. Finally, we review our OKRs for the first half of the year.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2025 14:49:20 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/17419c8c/c58ebe4c.mp3" length="57864949" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3612</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We played the Social Game a lot, and it's so cool. Daniel is not going to do project management at Thunk anymore, and we brainstorm how we backfill for him. Finally, we review our OKRs for the first half of the year.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>66: Empaneling Erin Antcliffe</title>
      <itunes:episode>68</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>68</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>66: Empaneling Erin Antcliffe</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">36d69ab2-68e0-4c19-849f-4d74bc7a0435</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/13382901</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/erinantcliffe/">Erin</a> is an outstanding product manager who is fairly new to the agency world. She shares her feedback on our process. We brainstorm how to position and sell our product management services. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/erinantcliffe/">Erin</a> is an outstanding product manager who is fairly new to the agency world. She shares her feedback on our process. We brainstorm how to position and sell our product management services. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2025 07:46:55 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/13382901/681776df.mp3" length="69642188" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4348</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/erinantcliffe/">Erin</a> is an outstanding product manager who is fairly new to the agency world. She shares her feedback on our process. We brainstorm how to position and sell our product management services. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>65: Being uncomfortably explicit</title>
      <itunes:episode>67</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>67</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>65: Being uncomfortably explicit</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">ccdeec05-e4f5-48e2-86b5-4a7822692cf3</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/85f086ac</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel got a 3D printer. John got a new iPhone that he feels meh about. We are feeling out how to consult when there are issues way outside of our control. Getting uncomfortably explicit is awkward in the moment, but makes everyone happy later. John has a wild story about <a href="https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/05/trump-aid-cuts-global-health-maternal-child-mortality/">Emily Belz's article</a>. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel got a 3D printer. John got a new iPhone that he feels meh about. We are feeling out how to consult when there are issues way outside of our control. Getting uncomfortably explicit is awkward in the moment, but makes everyone happy later. John has a wild story about <a href="https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/05/trump-aid-cuts-global-health-maternal-child-mortality/">Emily Belz's article</a>. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 02 Jun 2025 16:43:56 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/85f086ac/a34abdaf.mp3" length="34888885" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2176</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel got a 3D printer. John got a new iPhone that he feels meh about. We are feeling out how to consult when there are issues way outside of our control. Getting uncomfortably explicit is awkward in the moment, but makes everyone happy later. John has a wild story about <a href="https://www.christianitytoday.com/2025/05/trump-aid-cuts-global-health-maternal-child-mortality/">Emily Belz's article</a>. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>64: Kapow!</title>
      <itunes:episode>66</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>66</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>64: Kapow!</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/36f992bb</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We hung out in Philly and had a little role reversal. Chill clients abound. The sales funnel is decent. We talk about who Kapow is really for, and brainstorm what features are next. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We hung out in Philly and had a little role reversal. Chill clients abound. The sales funnel is decent. We talk about who Kapow is really for, and brainstorm what features are next. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2025 13:56:20 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/36f992bb/511db773.mp3" length="57292311" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3576</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We hung out in Philly and had a little role reversal. Chill clients abound. The sales funnel is decent. We talk about who Kapow is really for, and brainstorm what features are next. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>63: We sent invoices from the client app</title>
      <itunes:episode>65</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>65</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>63: We sent invoices from the client app</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/10a845d3</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Spring is here, and the boys are out frolicking. We sent our first invoices from the client app. The Laracon game is going to be its own company. Clothing sizes are a lie. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Spring is here, and the boys are out frolicking. We sent our first invoices from the client app. The Laracon game is going to be its own company. Clothing sizes are a lie. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2025 15:32:47 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/10a845d3/efbf1e26.mp3" length="27011198" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>1683</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Spring is here, and the boys are out frolicking. We sent our first invoices from the client app. The Laracon game is going to be its own company. Clothing sizes are a lie. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>62: Useful anxiety</title>
      <itunes:episode>64</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>64</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>62: Useful anxiety</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/d26db9a9</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We watched a lot of movies, and gambled a little. We are deep into silly season, and talk about our relationship with anxiety. Finally, we talk about politics and urbanism again. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We watched a lot of movies, and gambled a little. We are deep into silly season, and talk about our relationship with anxiety. Finally, we talk about politics and urbanism again. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2025 14:25:32 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/d26db9a9/6285f805.mp3" length="41182500" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2569</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We watched a lot of movies, and gambled a little. We are deep into silly season, and talk about our relationship with anxiety. Finally, we talk about politics and urbanism again. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>61: Empaneling Ian Landsman</title>
      <itunes:episode>62</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>62</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>61: Empaneling Ian Landsman</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">58d0cd14-6e45-49c6-b96b-7bb161ff4141</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/62ec2597</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are now a professional podcast. <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/ianlandsman.com">Ian Landsman</a> gives us some feedback on our goals, and our new client app. He is smart. And we don't talk about poker even once! </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are now a professional podcast. <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/ianlandsman.com">Ian Landsman</a> gives us some feedback on our goals, and our new client app. He is smart. And we don't talk about poker even once! </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2025 10:06:37 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/62ec2597/3c4bc252.mp3" length="75831744" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4735</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are now a professional podcast. <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/ianlandsman.com">Ian Landsman</a> gives us some feedback on our goals, and our new client app. He is smart. And we don't talk about poker even once! </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>60: Our biggest client yet</title>
      <itunes:episode>61</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>61</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>60: Our biggest client yet</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">d212f1f6-fd24-4efb-a243-da1ef7f657bb</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/c14acd41</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>John got star struck on Easter. Daniel got a new couch. We got a big new client. John is working nights and weekends on the Laracon game, and it's awesome. Daniel is working on the client app. We review OKRs.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>John got star struck on Easter. Daniel got a new couch. We got a big new client. John is working nights and weekends on the Laracon game, and it's awesome. Daniel is working on the client app. We review OKRs.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2025 13:11:30 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/c14acd41/1262e38f.mp3" length="57516037" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2872</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>John got star struck on Easter. Daniel got a new couch. We got a big new client. John is working nights and weekends on the Laracon game, and it's awesome. Daniel is working on the client app. We review OKRs.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>59: We lost a client for good reasons</title>
      <itunes:episode>60</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>60</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>59: We lost a client for good reasons</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">3cc33d4b-b0f6-4f3d-9c55-425472be9a8c</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/a76ffb2c</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>John is locked in, and made a <a href="https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2R0FwfQ1rbDSNn45t3nvbc?si=25f0ac08565e473c">playlist</a> so you can lock in too. We are in silly season, but we have an excellent new PM who will get us through. We lost a client, but for good reasons. We recap what we learned. John is grinding on the new game, and Daniel gives technical guidance. We try to diagnose what's wrong with tv writing. The Iranian film maker John couldn't remember is <a href="https://letterboxd.com/film/taste-of-cherry/">Kiarostami</a>. Here's a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrPlaCG2btk">funny scene</a> from Hail Caesar. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>John is locked in, and made a <a href="https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2R0FwfQ1rbDSNn45t3nvbc?si=25f0ac08565e473c">playlist</a> so you can lock in too. We are in silly season, but we have an excellent new PM who will get us through. We lost a client, but for good reasons. We recap what we learned. John is grinding on the new game, and Daniel gives technical guidance. We try to diagnose what's wrong with tv writing. The Iranian film maker John couldn't remember is <a href="https://letterboxd.com/film/taste-of-cherry/">Kiarostami</a>. Here's a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrPlaCG2btk">funny scene</a> from Hail Caesar. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2025 14:39:13 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/a76ffb2c/8c63abe5.mp3" length="71588208" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3576</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>John is locked in, and made a <a href="https://open.spotify.com/playlist/2R0FwfQ1rbDSNn45t3nvbc?si=25f0ac08565e473c">playlist</a> so you can lock in too. We are in silly season, but we have an excellent new PM who will get us through. We lost a client, but for good reasons. We recap what we learned. John is grinding on the new game, and Daniel gives technical guidance. We try to diagnose what's wrong with tv writing. The Iranian film maker John couldn't remember is <a href="https://letterboxd.com/film/taste-of-cherry/">Kiarostami</a>. Here's a <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrPlaCG2btk">funny scene</a> from Hail Caesar. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>58: Finding the real decision maker</title>
      <itunes:episode>59</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>59</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>58: Finding the real decision maker</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/9c1478eb</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>John's Macbook air is having problems. We made a bonus episode. We have a new trick for finding the decision maker at a prospective client. Always negotiate. We LOVE Adolescence. Finally, we talk politics :(</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>John's Macbook air is having problems. We made a bonus episode. We have a new trick for finding the decision maker at a prospective client. Always negotiate. We LOVE Adolescence. Finally, we talk politics :(</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2025 13:12:57 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/9c1478eb/550ffe15.mp3" length="46068046" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2300</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>John's Macbook air is having problems. We made a bonus episode. We have a new trick for finding the decision maker at a prospective client. Always negotiate. We LOVE Adolescence. Finally, we talk politics :(</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>Bonus Episode: PHP × NYC Chaos-Cast™</title>
      <itunes:episode>58</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>58</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Bonus Episode: PHP × NYC Chaos-Cast™</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">b194bfb8-49d8-45c1-a908-8525894cbab8</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/db571d85</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>At a PHP x NYC event, we realized we had a critical mass of Laravel podcasters. Apologies for the audio problems. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>At a PHP x NYC event, we realized we had a critical mass of Laravel podcasters. Apologies for the audio problems. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2025 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/db571d85/957a6254.mp3" length="68589889" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4281</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>At a PHP x NYC event, we realized we had a critical mass of Laravel podcasters. Apologies for the audio problems. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>57: Sunsetting Papercuts</title>
      <itunes:episode>57</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>57</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>57: Sunsetting Papercuts</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">616e0169-56a7-4224-80a6-74f9f9f9c9d9</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/8f6b04c4</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Spring is here. John was on the <a href="https://overengineered.fm/episodes/running-small-teams-w-dan-matthews-john-rudolph-drexler">Over Engineered podcast</a> to discuss running product processes on small teams. We are sunsetting Papercuts. We do a quick retro about why, and what we learned. John did a heroic refactor on the new client app. Daniel is making home improvements</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Spring is here. John was on the <a href="https://overengineered.fm/episodes/running-small-teams-w-dan-matthews-john-rudolph-drexler">Over Engineered podcast</a> to discuss running product processes on small teams. We are sunsetting Papercuts. We do a quick retro about why, and what we learned. John did a heroic refactor on the new client app. Daniel is making home improvements</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2025 16:25:13 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/8f6b04c4/66a6029c.mp3" length="44208035" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2207</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Spring is here. John was on the <a href="https://overengineered.fm/episodes/running-small-teams-w-dan-matthews-john-rudolph-drexler">Over Engineered podcast</a> to discuss running product processes on small teams. We are sunsetting Papercuts. We do a quick retro about why, and what we learned. John did a heroic refactor on the new client app. Daniel is making home improvements</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>56: Chunks of work</title>
      <itunes:episode>56</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>56</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>56: Chunks of work</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/5fc3b20a</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>John got married. We got paid by a delinquent client. John spoke at PHP x Philly. The client management app is getting really good, which can now invoice clients. Finally, John thinks tv is maybe bad.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>John got married. We got paid by a delinquent client. John spoke at PHP x Philly. The client management app is getting really good, which can now invoice clients. Finally, John thinks tv is maybe bad.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2025 15:34:55 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/5fc3b20a/eaa7439e.mp3" length="40818269" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2037</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>John got married. We got paid by a delinquent client. John spoke at PHP x Philly. The client management app is getting really good, which can now invoice clients. Finally, John thinks tv is maybe bad.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>55: Vertical Slices</title>
      <itunes:episode>55</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>55</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>55: Vertical Slices</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">f514809b-20f3-4ffd-afc4-426e1a439c28</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/cfab123a</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>You need to build vertically, not horizontally.</p><p>Also: Point Break is a good movie (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ELobF-vgzs">Broey Deschanel</a>'s analysis). We helped a client dismiss a scammy wordpress agency. Squarespace is good. Daniel bought a suit. John is making a DJ set, and thanks Daniel for being the reason he learned to do that.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>You need to build vertically, not horizontally.</p><p>Also: Point Break is a good movie (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ELobF-vgzs">Broey Deschanel</a>'s analysis). We helped a client dismiss a scammy wordpress agency. Squarespace is good. Daniel bought a suit. John is making a DJ set, and thanks Daniel for being the reason he learned to do that.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Feb 2025 13:34:02 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/cfab123a/db9a7a6b.mp3" length="68448030" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3419</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>You need to build vertically, not horizontally.</p><p>Also: Point Break is a good movie (<a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ELobF-vgzs">Broey Deschanel</a>'s analysis). We helped a client dismiss a scammy wordpress agency. Squarespace is good. Daniel bought a suit. John is making a DJ set, and thanks Daniel for being the reason he learned to do that.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>54: Building without a blueprint</title>
      <itunes:episode>54</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>54</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>54: Building without a blueprint</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/10863889</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Why do old special effects look good? Pennsylvania needs better websites. John wants to speak a lot more. We are building our PM business, but don't have an obvious blueprint to follow. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Why do old special effects look good? Pennsylvania needs better websites. John wants to speak a lot more. We are building our PM business, but don't have an obvious blueprint to follow. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 17 Feb 2025 17:29:47 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/10863889/a397eea4.mp3" length="54087883" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2701</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Why do old special effects look good? Pennsylvania needs better websites. John wants to speak a lot more. We are building our PM business, but don't have an obvious blueprint to follow. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>53: Be a great place to work (empaneling Bossman Chris)</title>
      <itunes:episode>53</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>53</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>53: Be a great place to work (empaneling Bossman Chris)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">c5f4d55c-6c22-47de-a28c-e9d9f593f74c</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/4e307749</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We empanel <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/cmorrell.com">Bossman Chris</a>. Daniel and Chris survived Philly's Super Bowl celebration. We recap Laracon EU, and give high praise to Amsterdam. Chris counsels us on how to be a great place to work.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We empanel <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/cmorrell.com">Bossman Chris</a>. Daniel and Chris survived Philly's Super Bowl celebration. We recap Laracon EU, and give high praise to Amsterdam. Chris counsels us on how to be a great place to work.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 10 Feb 2025 13:56:11 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/4e307749/cfe1e3b7.mp3" length="94128066" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4703</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We empanel <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/cmorrell.com">Bossman Chris</a>. Daniel and Chris survived Philly's Super Bowl celebration. We recap Laracon EU, and give high praise to Amsterdam. Chris counsels us on how to be a great place to work.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>52: Coaching clients to have more urgency</title>
      <itunes:episode>52</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>52</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>52: Coaching clients to have more urgency</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/a9996aa7</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We talk retro video games. Daniel is wiring up his whole home. John preps for his Laracon talk. We recap what we learned from an uncomfortable client moment. We finalize our OKRs.<a href="https://sideprojectpodcast.com/episodes/elephant-in-the-room-with-john-rudolph-drexler"> John was on Joe Tannenbaum's podcast talking about games</a>. John talks about doing jiu jitsu against the Dutch. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We talk retro video games. Daniel is wiring up his whole home. John preps for his Laracon talk. We recap what we learned from an uncomfortable client moment. We finalize our OKRs.<a href="https://sideprojectpodcast.com/episodes/elephant-in-the-room-with-john-rudolph-drexler"> John was on Joe Tannenbaum's podcast talking about games</a>. John talks about doing jiu jitsu against the Dutch. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Jan 2025 17:45:30 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
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      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3459</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We talk retro video games. Daniel is wiring up his whole home. John preps for his Laracon talk. We recap what we learned from an uncomfortable client moment. We finalize our OKRs.<a href="https://sideprojectpodcast.com/episodes/elephant-in-the-room-with-john-rudolph-drexler"> John was on Joe Tannenbaum's podcast talking about games</a>. John talks about doing jiu jitsu against the Dutch. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>51: John built the client management app 🤫</title>
      <itunes:episode>51</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>51</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>51: John built the client management app 🤫</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/c9212d19</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>John built the MVP client app! Daniel watched Survivor. We brainstorm what we want out of our 2025 OKRs. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>John built the MVP client app! Daniel watched Survivor. We brainstorm what we want out of our 2025 OKRs. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 Jan 2025 14:09:03 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/c9212d19/eca4d7a0.mp3" length="51567879" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2575</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>John built the MVP client app! Daniel watched Survivor. We brainstorm what we want out of our 2025 OKRs. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>50: Growing our product team</title>
      <itunes:episode>50</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>50</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>50: Growing our product team</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/46ee8fb5</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about how it will work to have another PM around, the paradox of project scoping, good interview questions, and the power of learning from retros. On a less businessly note, we also talk Survivor, Pecking Order, gas leaks, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q8o6gRs-IA&amp;t=525s">soothing YouTube videos</a>, cable management, and trying to feed our notes into ChatGPT.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about how it will work to have another PM around, the paradox of project scoping, good interview questions, and the power of learning from retros. On a less businessly note, we also talk Survivor, Pecking Order, gas leaks, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q8o6gRs-IA&amp;t=525s">soothing YouTube videos</a>, cable management, and trying to feed our notes into ChatGPT.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 13 Jan 2025 14:12:22 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/46ee8fb5/ada75a6f.mp3" length="60927855" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3043</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about how it will work to have another PM around, the paradox of project scoping, good interview questions, and the power of learning from retros. On a less businessly note, we also talk Survivor, Pecking Order, gas leaks, <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1q8o6gRs-IA&amp;t=525s">soothing YouTube videos</a>, cable management, and trying to feed our notes into ChatGPT.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>49: What does success look like in 2025?</title>
      <itunes:episode>49</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>49</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>49: What does success look like in 2025?</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/e66d23b1</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We do a little vision casting for what a great year would look like. We have some disagreements about sales, plan to remove ourselves as individual contributors from many clients, and to get better at scheduling / planning. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We do a little vision casting for what a great year would look like. We have some disagreements about sales, plan to remove ourselves as individual contributors from many clients, and to get better at scheduling / planning. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 Jan 2025 14:50:51 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/e66d23b1/9f572db5.mp3" length="52647891" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2629</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We do a little vision casting for what a great year would look like. We have some disagreements about sales, plan to remove ourselves as individual contributors from many clients, and to get better at scheduling / planning. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>48: Holiday party</title>
      <itunes:episode>48</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>48</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>48: Holiday party</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/2351cf96</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel is moving, and we have some business logistics to figure out. We want to hire a junior PM. We do a roundup of our OKR results. We also talk game of the year, John is about to release a digital game, and get into the weeds testing a board game.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel is moving, and we have some business logistics to figure out. We want to hire a junior PM. We do a roundup of our OKR results. We also talk game of the year, John is about to release a digital game, and get into the weeds testing a board game.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2024 17:17:06 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/2351cf96/6d25ecf4.mp3" length="81128188" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4053</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel is moving, and we have some business logistics to figure out. We want to hire a junior PM. We do a roundup of our OKR results. We also talk game of the year, John is about to release a digital game, and get into the weeds testing a board game.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>47: Killing Harvest</title>
      <itunes:episode>47</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>47</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>47: Killing Harvest</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/21bda695</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>John saw Hamilton. Daniel is moving. We are finally building the client management app that we've long resisted. We talk through the requirements and speak ill of Harvest.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>John saw Hamilton. Daniel is moving. We are finally building the client management app that we've long resisted. We talk through the requirements and speak ill of Harvest.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 18 Nov 2024 17:55:33 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/21bda695/51ef4efb.mp3" length="71398110" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3566</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>John saw Hamilton. Daniel is moving. We are finally building the client management app that we've long resisted. We talk through the requirements and speak ill of Harvest.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>46: We want to buy your business (maybe)</title>
      <itunes:episode>46</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>46</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>46: We want to buy your business (maybe)</itunes:title>
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      <guid isPermaLink="false">b488dc52-12a4-4ac9-bb3f-ec6f8fb16b59</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/7e56b788</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We watched <a href="https://letterboxd.com/film/waiting-for-guffman/">good</a> <a href="https://letterboxd.com/film/anora/">movies</a> this weekend. We re-learn that good management is mostly about un-blocking people. John's journey into React led him back to Livewire and Alpine. John is speaking at <a href="https://phpxnyc.com/rsvp">PHP x NYC</a>. And finally, we discuss the (probably terrible) idea of buying a small business / product. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We watched <a href="https://letterboxd.com/film/waiting-for-guffman/">good</a> <a href="https://letterboxd.com/film/anora/">movies</a> this weekend. We re-learn that good management is mostly about un-blocking people. John's journey into React led him back to Livewire and Alpine. John is speaking at <a href="https://phpxnyc.com/rsvp">PHP x NYC</a>. And finally, we discuss the (probably terrible) idea of buying a small business / product. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Nov 2024 14:37:58 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/7e56b788/03f6ef4b.mp3" length="61368051" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3065</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We watched <a href="https://letterboxd.com/film/waiting-for-guffman/">good</a> <a href="https://letterboxd.com/film/anora/">movies</a> this weekend. We re-learn that good management is mostly about un-blocking people. John's journey into React led him back to Livewire and Alpine. John is speaking at <a href="https://phpxnyc.com/rsvp">PHP x NYC</a>. And finally, we discuss the (probably terrible) idea of buying a small business / product. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>45: The client onboarding checklist</title>
      <itunes:episode>45</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>45</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>45: The client onboarding checklist</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/d5e37d29</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel played <a href="https://www.catacombian.com/">Colossi</a>. We make a checklist of all the things that have to happen when we bring on a new client. Thunk wants to buy a small business??</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel played <a href="https://www.catacombian.com/">Colossi</a>. We make a checklist of all the things that have to happen when we bring on a new client. Thunk wants to buy a small business??</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Nov 2024 13:14:10 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/d5e37d29/a21aad07.mp3" length="42567886" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2125</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel played <a href="https://www.catacombian.com/">Colossi</a>. We make a checklist of all the things that have to happen when we bring on a new client. Thunk wants to buy a small business??</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>44: Clarifying roles for Silly Season v2</title>
      <itunes:episode>44</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>44</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>44: Clarifying roles for Silly Season v2</itunes:title>
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      <guid isPermaLink="false">4b936765-e5be-4457-87f7-ca6ae190ff4d</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/f51aa96c</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>John went jet skiing at the Statue of Liberty. <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/coulb.bsky.social">We</a> love <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/johnrudolphdrex.bsky.social">Bluesky</a>. Tech bros keep getting one-shot by psychedelics. Business is great right now. We clarify our roles, headed into silly season. Daniel dreams up where Verbs will go in the long run.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>John went jet skiing at the Statue of Liberty. <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/coulb.bsky.social">We</a> love <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/johnrudolphdrex.bsky.social">Bluesky</a>. Tech bros keep getting one-shot by psychedelics. Business is great right now. We clarify our roles, headed into silly season. Daniel dreams up where Verbs will go in the long run.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 28 Oct 2024 13:41:24 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/f51aa96c/2547a24f.mp3" length="80633775" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4028</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>John went jet skiing at the Statue of Liberty. <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/coulb.bsky.social">We</a> love <a href="https://bsky.app/profile/johnrudolphdrex.bsky.social">Bluesky</a>. Tech bros keep getting one-shot by psychedelics. Business is great right now. We clarify our roles, headed into silly season. Daniel dreams up where Verbs will go in the long run.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>43: Getting personal about working styles</title>
      <itunes:episode>43</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>43</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>43: Getting personal about working styles</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/33de1da5</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>John used to be a choir boy. We remember being terrible at college, and wish we could have a second try. We talk working styles, and where we could do better. John brings up some important feedback from recent retros about how we work. John is writing a game in React! Daniel still insists that John start playing Deadlock. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>John used to be a choir boy. We remember being terrible at college, and wish we could have a second try. We talk working styles, and where we could do better. John brings up some important feedback from recent retros about how we work. John is writing a game in React! Daniel still insists that John start playing Deadlock. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 21 Oct 2024 14:04:02 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/33de1da5/074e2aae.mp3" length="73208212" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3657</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>John used to be a choir boy. We remember being terrible at college, and wish we could have a second try. We talk working styles, and where we could do better. John brings up some important feedback from recent retros about how we work. John is writing a game in React! Daniel still insists that John start playing Deadlock. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>42: Celebrating $1M in revenue!</title>
      <itunes:episode>42</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>42</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>42: Celebrating $1M in revenue!</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/5e90feb4</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>(sorry for the terrible quality. SOMEONE forgot to record. We'll let you guess who). </p><p>How to write a good email. John went to the Texas State Fair. We hit $1M in revenue, and Daniel bought John a gift. We touch briefly on the Wordpress drama. Joker 2 looks awful but fun. Finally, we review OKRs.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>(sorry for the terrible quality. SOMEONE forgot to record. We'll let you guess who). </p><p>How to write a good email. John went to the Texas State Fair. We hit $1M in revenue, and Daniel bought John a gift. We touch briefly on the Wordpress drama. Joker 2 looks awful but fun. Finally, we review OKRs.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 14 Oct 2024 14:48:56 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/5e90feb4/1c282c9c.mp3" length="75327882" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3763</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>(sorry for the terrible quality. SOMEONE forgot to record. We'll let you guess who). </p><p>How to write a good email. John went to the Texas State Fair. We hit $1M in revenue, and Daniel bought John a gift. We touch briefly on the Wordpress drama. Joker 2 looks awful but fun. Finally, we review OKRs.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>41: Un-profitable software that helps people</title>
      <itunes:episode>41</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>41</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>41: Un-profitable software that helps people</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/f710b4f4</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel survived a terrifying storm. We are building software to support Asheville. John is speaking at Laracon EU! We're in sales mode for Papercuts. We are making slow progress getting better at client communication. John watched THREE good movies.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel survived a terrifying storm. We are building software to support Asheville. John is speaking at Laracon EU! We're in sales mode for Papercuts. We are making slow progress getting better at client communication. John watched THREE good movies.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 08 Oct 2024 12:49:14 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/f710b4f4/083f9498.mp3" length="69627895" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3478</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel survived a terrifying storm. We are building software to support Asheville. John is speaking at Laracon EU! We're in sales mode for Papercuts. We are making slow progress getting better at client communication. John watched THREE good movies.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>40: Pricing saga (part 3)</title>
      <itunes:episode>40</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>40</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>40: Pricing saga (part 3)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/93343694</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We've changed our pricing model again to solve a couple important problems. So far it is going great. We also talk about movies and games. It's an un-serious podcast!</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We've changed our pricing model again to solve a couple important problems. So far it is going great. We also talk about movies and games. It's an un-serious podcast!</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Sep 2024 14:02:51 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/93343694/91b88a4b.mp3" length="50888196" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2541</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We've changed our pricing model again to solve a couple important problems. So far it is going great. We also talk about movies and games. It's an un-serious podcast!</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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    <item>
      <title>39: Aaron said to put it out no matter what</title>
      <itunes:episode>39</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>39</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>39: Aaron said to put it out no matter what</itunes:title>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel's talk is out! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6nBpSvh4s&amp;t=1859s">Go watch it</a>. We plan out future talks and screencasts. John talks about game projects he has in the works, and pushing Verbs to new levels of complexity. We talk about the killer future feature of Verbs: analytics.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel's talk is out! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6nBpSvh4s&amp;t=1859s">Go watch it</a>. We plan out future talks and screencasts. John talks about game projects he has in the works, and pushing Verbs to new levels of complexity. We talk about the killer future feature of Verbs: analytics.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 09 Sep 2024 14:52:20 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/4f010eed/1116f968.mp3" length="59793654" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2986</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel's talk is out! <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tX6nBpSvh4s&amp;t=1859s">Go watch it</a>. We plan out future talks and screencasts. John talks about game projects he has in the works, and pushing Verbs to new levels of complexity. We talk about the killer future feature of Verbs: analytics.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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    <item>
      <title>38: Laracon recap</title>
      <itunes:episode>38</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>38</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>38: Laracon recap</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/0bc2b63c</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We share all the gory details about shipping (and almost failing to ship) our game and Laracon talk. Here is a <a href="https://x.com/johnrudolphdrex/status/1831040789771694322">video</a> of the fun we had. And here's a full <a href="https://thunk.dev/blog/we-gave-away-1500">blog post</a> about it. We also go deep on game design, jiu jitsu, and more. This is an unserious episode.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We share all the gory details about shipping (and almost failing to ship) our game and Laracon talk. Here is a <a href="https://x.com/johnrudolphdrex/status/1831040789771694322">video</a> of the fun we had. And here's a full <a href="https://thunk.dev/blog/we-gave-away-1500">blog post</a> about it. We also go deep on game design, jiu jitsu, and more. This is an unserious episode.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 03 Sep 2024 15:56:03 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/0bc2b63c/71aa8d07.mp3" length="80133628" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4003</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We share all the gory details about shipping (and almost failing to ship) our game and Laracon talk. Here is a <a href="https://x.com/johnrudolphdrex/status/1831040789771694322">video</a> of the fun we had. And here's a full <a href="https://thunk.dev/blog/we-gave-away-1500">blog post</a> about it. We also go deep on game design, jiu jitsu, and more. This is an unserious episode.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>37: International man of mischief</title>
      <itunes:episode>37</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>37</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>37: International man of mischief</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">3dc6d895-c5c8-4193-9eb2-800ce82b0092</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/70734a43</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We plan the rest of our 2024 goals / OKRs. We're making t-shirts. We're shilling Verbs. John has intrusive thoughts and a therapy moment. There's a little something for everyone in here.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We plan the rest of our 2024 goals / OKRs. We're making t-shirts. We're shilling Verbs. John has intrusive thoughts and a therapy moment. There's a little something for everyone in here.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 12 Aug 2024 14:14:42 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/70734a43/485d796c.mp3" length="74448044" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3719</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We plan the rest of our 2024 goals / OKRs. We're making t-shirts. We're shilling Verbs. John has intrusive thoughts and a therapy moment. There's a little something for everyone in here.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>36: Thunk Pyramid Scheme (the super secret Laracon project)</title>
      <itunes:episode>36</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>36</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>36: Thunk Pyramid Scheme (the super secret Laracon project)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">25c408df-7027-452a-86b4-03178726e790</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/0c349ce4</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We built a game for Laracon, and it rules. Also, John released his board game <a href="https://www.catacombian.com/">Colossi</a>! Finally, we get started on our OKRs for the second half of the year.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We built a game for Laracon, and it rules. Also, John released his board game <a href="https://www.catacombian.com/">Colossi</a>! Finally, we get started on our OKRs for the second half of the year.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 05 Aug 2024 13:37:40 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/0c349ce4/4d4f6bee.mp3" length="53468226" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2670</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We built a game for Laracon, and it rules. Also, John released his board game <a href="https://www.catacombian.com/">Colossi</a>! Finally, we get started on our OKRs for the second half of the year.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>35: The problems that Papercuts solves </title>
      <itunes:episode>35</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>35</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>35: The problems that Papercuts solves </itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">d2fddced-375f-418c-9872-9d221d6572ef</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/f2ba609a</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>John did a bunch of <a href="https://papercuts.io/">Papercuts</a> interviews, and now has a way clearer sense of what problem we're solving. He talks about his process as a PM. And we talk through all the problems we <em>won't </em>solve with Papercuts. At least not yet.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>John did a bunch of <a href="https://papercuts.io/">Papercuts</a> interviews, and now has a way clearer sense of what problem we're solving. He talks about his process as a PM. And we talk through all the problems we <em>won't </em>solve with Papercuts. At least not yet.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Jul 2024 13:54:40 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/f2ba609a/a8f7af70.mp3" length="63687890" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3181</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>John did a bunch of <a href="https://papercuts.io/">Papercuts</a> interviews, and now has a way clearer sense of what problem we're solving. He talks about his process as a PM. And we talk through all the problems we <em>won't </em>solve with Papercuts. At least not yet.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>34: Go to papercuts.io</title>
      <itunes:episode>34</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>34</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>34: Go to papercuts.io</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">15ecf74e-dc80-4a95-9a0c-65b1c7fe8ad8</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/450fb3c6</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Our new Saas app <a href="https://papercuts.io/">Papercuts.io</a> is up, and it is in Alpha testing. If it sounds useful to you, go sign up and we'll reach out shortly! We also talk about the future of where this app might go. If you work at an agency or run an agency, please reach out to john@thunk.dev. We want to talk.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Our new Saas app <a href="https://papercuts.io/">Papercuts.io</a> is up, and it is in Alpha testing. If it sounds useful to you, go sign up and we'll reach out shortly! We also talk about the future of where this app might go. If you work at an agency or run an agency, please reach out to john@thunk.dev. We want to talk.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 02 Jul 2024 10:08:45 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/450fb3c6/9bc37621.mp3" length="59847873" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2989</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Our new Saas app <a href="https://papercuts.io/">Papercuts.io</a> is up, and it is in Alpha testing. If it sounds useful to you, go sign up and we'll reach out shortly! We also talk about the future of where this app might go. If you work at an agency or run an agency, please reach out to john@thunk.dev. We want to talk.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>33: This too shall pass</title>
      <itunes:episode>33</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>33</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>33: This too shall pass</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">3db54143-f1d2-4d50-854b-3451fead4204</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/a2b9f498</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We accidentally talk about movies for 15 minutes. Then we talk about calmly riding the waves when bad things happen (a bad thing happened). Finally, we review all of our OKRs from the first half of the year. Spoiler: we made good money, and made ourselves unhappy doing it.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We accidentally talk about movies for 15 minutes. Then we talk about calmly riding the waves when bad things happen (a bad thing happened). Finally, we review all of our OKRs from the first half of the year. Spoiler: we made good money, and made ourselves unhappy doing it.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 24 Jun 2024 16:49:20 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/a2b9f498/48a134cc.mp3" length="78627883" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3928</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We accidentally talk about movies for 15 minutes. Then we talk about calmly riding the waves when bad things happen (a bad thing happened). Finally, we review all of our OKRs from the first half of the year. Spoiler: we made good money, and made ourselves unhappy doing it.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>32: Monday morning scrutiny</title>
      <itunes:episode>32</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>32</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>32: Monday morning scrutiny</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">330bfa03-a80a-42ad-bf99-35fae3e6b9fb</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/dde77e6b</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We took some time off. Papercuts is good now. Verbs is still good. We had an uncomfortable moment with a client, and learned some good things from it. Then Daniel discovers we might owe the state of New York $11,000.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We took some time off. Papercuts is good now. Verbs is still good. We had an uncomfortable moment with a client, and learned some good things from it. Then Daniel discovers we might owe the state of New York $11,000.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 17 Jun 2024 14:36:14 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/dde77e6b/a3d9feba.mp3" length="65778278" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3285</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We took some time off. Papercuts is good now. Verbs is still good. We had an uncomfortable moment with a client, and learned some good things from it. Then Daniel discovers we might owe the state of New York $11,000.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>31: Buying our time back</title>
      <itunes:episode>31</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>31</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>31: Buying our time back</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">9fdb9389-1a07-4f2f-946e-e3f131187b55</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/bf52e845</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We're working fewer client days, but it costs us a lot of money to do that. So what are we getting for that money? We make a plan for what we can do with this extra time to invest in the future.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We're working fewer client days, but it costs us a lot of money to do that. So what are we getting for that money? We make a plan for what we can do with this extra time to invest in the future.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 May 2024 17:40:16 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/bf52e845/c71c405c.mp3" length="50695314" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2532</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We're working fewer client days, but it costs us a lot of money to do that. So what are we getting for that money? We make a plan for what we can do with this extra time to invest in the future.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>30: Strategy brainstorm (empaneling Luke Roush)</title>
      <itunes:episode>30</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>30</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>30: Strategy brainstorm (empaneling Luke Roush)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">9a8d0f5b-c2e3-4def-a3c8-714eadfd55ca</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/338702d4</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Luke Roush is the Co-CEO and Co-Founder of Sovereign's Capital. John worked for Luke for 4 years. If John ever says anything smart, there's a 40% chance he's just quoting Luke without giving him credit. Luke loves nothing more than brainstorming how to make a business tick.</p><p>Apologies for the sound quality, we had a little snafu. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Luke Roush is the Co-CEO and Co-Founder of Sovereign's Capital. John worked for Luke for 4 years. If John ever says anything smart, there's a 40% chance he's just quoting Luke without giving him credit. Luke loves nothing more than brainstorming how to make a business tick.</p><p>Apologies for the sound quality, we had a little snafu. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 20 May 2024 22:46:16 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/338702d4/0cce05d4.mp3" length="68557577" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3425</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Luke Roush is the Co-CEO and Co-Founder of Sovereign's Capital. John worked for Luke for 4 years. If John ever says anything smart, there's a 40% chance he's just quoting Luke without giving him credit. Luke loves nothing more than brainstorming how to make a business tick.</p><p>Apologies for the sound quality, we had a little snafu. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>29: Awkward money conversation</title>
      <itunes:episode>29</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>29</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>29: Awkward money conversation</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">d65d262d-2d24-4294-bf4d-674b7aac7058</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/92e34b83</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>It's beef season. We have figured out how to not have Daniel on every client, and which roles we play with each client. Then we have a fun conversation about how we spend money, how much we save for the future, and when to take money out of the company. This is a very real peak behind the curtain, and we're slightly awkward. Build in public.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>It's beef season. We have figured out how to not have Daniel on every client, and which roles we play with each client. Then we have a fun conversation about how we spend money, how much we save for the future, and when to take money out of the company. This is a very real peak behind the curtain, and we're slightly awkward. Build in public.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 06 May 2024 16:50:12 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/92e34b83/0cbfd66e.mp3" length="81475309" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4071</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>It's beef season. We have figured out how to not have Daniel on every client, and which roles we play with each client. Then we have a fun conversation about how we spend money, how much we save for the future, and when to take money out of the company. This is a very real peak behind the curtain, and we're slightly awkward. Build in public.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>28: Short term profit vs. long term strategy</title>
      <itunes:episode>28</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>28</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>28: Short term profit vs. long term strategy</itunes:title>
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      <guid isPermaLink="false">68053088-85e5-4a9e-8c74-333c0ee3f8af</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/861929c6</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Business is great. But that means Daniel doesn't have time to do strategic stuff. John is pulling back on client hours to figure out how to do outbound sales. We plan out an onsite (or is it offsite?). Finally, we review our OKRs.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Business is great. But that means Daniel doesn't have time to do strategic stuff. John is pulling back on client hours to figure out how to do outbound sales. We plan out an onsite (or is it offsite?). Finally, we review our OKRs.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2024 14:23:46 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/861929c6/08cf0f91.mp3" length="51835305" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2589</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Business is great. But that means Daniel doesn't have time to do strategic stuff. John is pulling back on client hours to figure out how to do outbound sales. We plan out an onsite (or is it offsite?). Finally, we review our OKRs.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>27: Silly Season (empaneling Steve Smallman)</title>
      <itunes:episode>27</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>27</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>27: Silly Season (empaneling Steve Smallman)</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/4e2e32b9</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Steve is the founder of a well established creative agency called <a href="https://fifteen4.com/">fifteen4</a>. Daniel used to work there! We asked Steve about how you do planning (especially with subcontractors) when you have lumpy sales cycles, and no predictable sales process. But he ended up giving us some free consulting on branding, positioning, and strategy for the target customers we want.</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Steve is the founder of a well established creative agency called <a href="https://fifteen4.com/">fifteen4</a>. Daniel used to work there! We asked Steve about how you do planning (especially with subcontractors) when you have lumpy sales cycles, and no predictable sales process. But he ended up giving us some free consulting on branding, positioning, and strategy for the target customers we want.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Apr 2024 10:11:19 -0400</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Steve is the founder of a well established creative agency called <a href="https://fifteen4.com/">fifteen4</a>. Daniel used to work there! We asked Steve about how you do planning (especially with subcontractors) when you have lumpy sales cycles, and no predictable sales process. But he ended up giving us some free consulting on branding, positioning, and strategy for the target customers we want.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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    <item>
      <title>26: The leads are weak? YOU'RE weak! </title>
      <itunes:episode>26</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>26</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>26: The leads are weak? YOU'RE weak! </itunes:title>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>The sales strategy worked! Great leads are pouring in, and we're closing new business. We talk about our strategy on sales calls, and disqualifying ourselves quickly from the wrong kinds of leads. Also we are sleepy.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>The sales strategy worked! Great leads are pouring in, and we're closing new business. We talk about our strategy on sales calls, and disqualifying ourselves quickly from the wrong kinds of leads. Also we are sleepy.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2024 17:46:36 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/fdbe83f6/59081daa.mp3" length="46215003" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2308</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>The sales strategy worked! Great leads are pouring in, and we're closing new business. We talk about our strategy on sales calls, and disqualifying ourselves quickly from the wrong kinds of leads. Also we are sleepy.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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    <item>
      <title>25: ❤️ Devs seeking new obsession ❤️</title>
      <itunes:episode>25</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>25</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>25: ❤️ Devs seeking new obsession ❤️</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/4cd89f66</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We want to find a long term partner, and we want your help. Then things come completely off the rails and we stop talking about business. John rants about healthcare "markets", we discuss Kendrick vs. J. Cole beef, and recommend tv shows.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We want to find a long term partner, and we want your help. Then things come completely off the rails and we stop talking about business. John rants about healthcare "markets", we discuss Kendrick vs. J. Cole beef, and recommend tv shows.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 08 Apr 2024 14:08:38 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/4cd89f66/0c443ce0.mp3" length="50735196" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2534</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We want to find a long term partner, and we want your help. Then things come completely off the rails and we stop talking about business. John rants about healthcare "markets", we discuss Kendrick vs. J. Cole beef, and recommend tv shows.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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    <item>
      <title>24: Cohort 2™ (working title)</title>
      <itunes:episode>24</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>24</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>24: Cohort 2™ (working title)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">8a5be849-4dc2-4325-80f9-3a80fd47d4ba</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/ab5df6fb</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are looking for 2 big, gnarly, interesting projects to sink our teeth into over the next 6 months. And we want your help finding them. We also recap all of the smart little things we've learned from retrospectives in the last couple months.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are looking for 2 big, gnarly, interesting projects to sink our teeth into over the next 6 months. And we want your help finding them. We also recap all of the smart little things we've learned from retrospectives in the last couple months.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 01 Apr 2024 13:26:14 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/ab5df6fb/ab3d53b3.mp3" length="62388026" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3114</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We are looking for 2 big, gnarly, interesting projects to sink our teeth into over the next 6 months. And we want your help finding them. We also recap all of the smart little things we've learned from retrospectives in the last couple months.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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    <item>
      <title>23: SaaS opportunity knocks again</title>
      <itunes:episode>23</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>23</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>23: SaaS opportunity knocks again</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/62358906</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We have an opportunity to do something big, difficult, and pretty different from our other clients. John went on the <a href="https://overengineered.fm/episodes/do-we-really-need-sprints-w-john-drexler-bogdan-kharchenko-and-skyler-katz">Over Engineered</a> podcast to talk about whether sprints and estimates matter. We review our OKRs.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We have an opportunity to do something big, difficult, and pretty different from our other clients. John went on the <a href="https://overengineered.fm/episodes/do-we-really-need-sprints-w-john-drexler-bogdan-kharchenko-and-skyler-katz">Over Engineered</a> podcast to talk about whether sprints and estimates matter. We review our OKRs.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Mar 2024 13:45:34 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/62358906/e3cc453c.mp3" length="56937592" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2842</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We have an opportunity to do something big, difficult, and pretty different from our other clients. John went on the <a href="https://overengineered.fm/episodes/do-we-really-need-sprints-w-john-drexler-bogdan-kharchenko-and-skyler-katz">Over Engineered</a> podcast to talk about whether sprints and estimates matter. We review our OKRs.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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    <item>
      <title>22: Mentees keep becoming clients</title>
      <itunes:episode>22</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>22</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>22: Mentees keep becoming clients</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/108b8693</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel and John are out on the speaker circuit. John wants to give more developer talks. We want to mentor more programmers, because that has been an amazing source of clients. And we might convince our friend to become a Laravel dev.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel and John are out on the speaker circuit. John wants to give more developer talks. We want to mentor more programmers, because that has been an amazing source of clients. And we might convince our friend to become a Laravel dev.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 04 Mar 2024 15:55:34 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/108b8693/75df0c21.mp3" length="50137923" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2502</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel and John are out on the speaker circuit. John wants to give more developer talks. We want to mentor more programmers, because that has been an amazing source of clients. And we might convince our friend to become a Laravel dev.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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    <item>
      <title>21: Our new pricing model (empaneling Joel Clermont)</title>
      <itunes:episode>21</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>21</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>21: Our new pricing model (empaneling Joel Clermont)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/51c37e96</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://twitter.com/jclermont?lang=en">Joel Clermont</a> joins us for a discussion about our pricing model. Like us, he has tried a lot of models, and walked away from most of them. He gives us feedback on our latest idea.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://twitter.com/jclermont?lang=en">Joel Clermont</a> joins us for a discussion about our pricing model. Like us, he has tried a lot of models, and walked away from most of them. He gives us feedback on our latest idea.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:40:24 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/51c37e96/822b35d7.mp3" length="80637622" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4027</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p><a href="https://twitter.com/jclermont?lang=en">Joel Clermont</a> joins us for a discussion about our pricing model. Like us, he has tried a lot of models, and walked away from most of them. He gives us feedback on our latest idea.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>20: The FULL Stack Developer</title>
      <itunes:episode>20</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>20</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>20: The FULL Stack Developer</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/90044c3c</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>Papercuts progress. </li><li>Daniel spent some time with the dutch. </li><li>Getting busy and landing business. </li><li>John give talks, Daniel gives talks. </li><li>Retro-driven company. </li></ul>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>Papercuts progress. </li><li>Daniel spent some time with the dutch. </li><li>Getting busy and landing business. </li><li>John give talks, Daniel gives talks. </li><li>Retro-driven company. </li></ul>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 20 Feb 2024 16:59:18 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/90044c3c/dc8aa0be.mp3" length="54377754" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2714</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>Papercuts progress. </li><li>Daniel spent some time with the dutch. </li><li>Getting busy and landing business. </li><li>John give talks, Daniel gives talks. </li><li>Retro-driven company. </li></ul>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>19: We're building a SaaS app</title>
      <itunes:episode>19</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>19</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>19: We're building a SaaS app</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/b2482c0d</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Thunk is building a SaaS app. We talk about the plan, where the idea came from, and how it'll work. We also brainstorm ideas for the future. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Thunk is building a SaaS app. We talk about the plan, where the idea came from, and how it'll work. We also brainstorm ideas for the future. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 23 Jan 2024 09:37:18 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/b2482c0d/ee082b80.mp3" length="59732639" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2981</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Thunk is building a SaaS app. We talk about the plan, where the idea came from, and how it'll work. We also brainstorm ideas for the future. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>18: Setting fewer, better goals for 2024</title>
      <itunes:episode>18</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>18</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>18: Setting fewer, better goals for 2024</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/435b9996</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We review our 2023 goals, and set better goals for 2024. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We review our 2023 goals, and set better goals for 2024. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Thu, 11 Jan 2024 17:23:33 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/435b9996/906ed858.mp3" length="101759672" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4236</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We review our 2023 goals, and set better goals for 2024. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>17: Empanelling Allison Lacker</title>
      <itunes:episode>17</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>17</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>17: Empanelling Allison Lacker</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/46aa2217</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Allison is a former colleague of John's, and we're thrilled to have her on the panel of mentors. She has been a developer, product manager, and executive. She has a lot of good perspective on how developers can think more like PMs, and why that matters. We talk processes, metrics, building teams, living with legacy code, and a lot more.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Allison is a former colleague of John's, and we're thrilled to have her on the panel of mentors. She has been a developer, product manager, and executive. She has a lot of good perspective on how developers can think more like PMs, and why that matters. We talk processes, metrics, building teams, living with legacy code, and a lot more.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Dec 2023 11:50:03 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/46aa2217/6478c7cb.mp3" length="79886832" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4986</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Allison is a former colleague of John's, and we're thrilled to have her on the panel of mentors. She has been a developer, product manager, and executive. She has a lot of good perspective on how developers can think more like PMs, and why that matters. We talk processes, metrics, building teams, living with legacy code, and a lot more.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>16: Brainstorming our first SaaS product</title>
      <itunes:episode>16</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>16</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>16: Brainstorming our first SaaS product</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/c783406f</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Also: is programming art or science? John finds reading painful. Daniel finds small to-dos painful. Why are we paying so many Quickbooks fees? The 2024 budget.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Also: is programming art or science? John finds reading painful. Daniel finds small to-dos painful. Why are we paying so many Quickbooks fees? The 2024 budget.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 11 Dec 2023 16:51:12 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/c783406f/a4e6859f.mp3" length="66609115" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4156</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Also: is programming art or science? John finds reading painful. Daniel finds small to-dos painful. Why are we paying so many Quickbooks fees? The 2024 budget.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>15: What kind of clients we do (and don't) want</title>
      <itunes:episode>15</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>15</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>15: What kind of clients we do (and don't) want</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">8ccdc1c4-c091-47d3-a40d-50c69f3199b8</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/b94939f5</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We reflect on a problem with a client. Then we discuss the importance of learning new patterns, adopting new tools, and sticking to conventions.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We reflect on a problem with a client. Then we discuss the importance of learning new patterns, adopting new tools, and sticking to conventions.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 05 Dec 2023 14:13:22 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/b94939f5/e90cd67a.mp3" length="55880528" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3486</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We reflect on a problem with a client. Then we discuss the importance of learning new patterns, adopting new tools, and sticking to conventions.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>14: Monday morning baseball</title>
      <itunes:episode>14</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>14</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>14: Monday morning baseball</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/f59a1bde</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>After a scheduling snafu, we needed to use our recording slot to have our weekly check-in with Jacob. This is our regular roundup of clients, plus some pleasantries and goofs.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>After a scheduling snafu, we needed to use our recording slot to have our weekly check-in with Jacob. This is our regular roundup of clients, plus some pleasantries and goofs.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 27 Nov 2023 16:29:56 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/f59a1bde/3978746f.mp3" length="49570578" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3091</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>After a scheduling snafu, we needed to use our recording slot to have our weekly check-in with Jacob. This is our regular roundup of clients, plus some pleasantries and goofs.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>13: Launching Verbs at Laracon AU</title>
      <itunes:episode>13</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>13</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>13: Launching Verbs at Laracon AU</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/59593962</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel is jetlagged after returning from Sydney, where he launched Verbs at Laracon AU.</p><p>We talk about the launch, talk about John's Kickstarter for Colossi, and do a quick catchup on our OKRs.<br></p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel is jetlagged after returning from Sydney, where he launched Verbs at Laracon AU.</p><p>We talk about the launch, talk about John's Kickstarter for Colossi, and do a quick catchup on our OKRs.<br></p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Thu, 23 Nov 2023 16:58:10 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
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      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3218</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Daniel is jetlagged after returning from Sydney, where he launched Verbs at Laracon AU.</p><p>We talk about the launch, talk about John's Kickstarter for Colossi, and do a quick catchup on our OKRs.<br></p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>12: Colossi + Verbs (it's shill day)</title>
      <itunes:episode>12</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>12</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>12: Colossi + Verbs (it's shill day)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">77865d8a-269c-430f-a486-3ba2aec35687</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/fa39ccc4</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>You can buy John's game on <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/catacombian/colossi%20">Kickstarter</a> right now! </p><p>Daniel's new event sourcing package Verbs is nearly complete, and John loves it. Join us as we spend 40 minutes gassing each other up.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>You can buy John's game on <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/catacombian/colossi%20">Kickstarter</a> right now! </p><p>Daniel's new event sourcing package Verbs is nearly complete, and John loves it. Join us as we spend 40 minutes gassing each other up.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 07 Nov 2023 10:56:21 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
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      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2395</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>You can buy John's game on <a href="https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/catacombian/colossi%20">Kickstarter</a> right now! </p><p>Daniel's new event sourcing package Verbs is nearly complete, and John loves it. Join us as we spend 40 minutes gassing each other up.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>11: Trust issues</title>
      <itunes:episode>11</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>11</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>11: Trust issues</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">efef1f3e-7b70-44cb-b39c-055bd320e4e9</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/d4aa0eb4</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We do some bits. We talk about good practices while pair programming. Then we wonder if product development processes primarily exist to compensate for trust issues. High trust environments are the only ones we want to work in.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We do some bits. We talk about good practices while pair programming. Then we wonder if product development processes primarily exist to compensate for trust issues. High trust environments are the only ones we want to work in.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 31 Oct 2023 14:49:28 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
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      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2925</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We do some bits. We talk about good practices while pair programming. Then we wonder if product development processes primarily exist to compensate for trust issues. High trust environments are the only ones we want to work in.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>10: Daniel is Going to Laracon AU!</title>
      <itunes:episode>10</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>10</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>10: Daniel is Going to Laracon AU!</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">9e32e566-72eb-4db8-9e84-642899f1287a</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/fad3e59c</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>John is tanking a lot of bureaucracy</li><li>Daniel is writing a LOT of code</li><li>Daniel is going to Laracon Australia</li><li>We discuss <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgV6M1LyfNY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgV6M1LyfNY</a></li></ul>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>John is tanking a lot of bureaucracy</li><li>Daniel is writing a LOT of code</li><li>Daniel is going to Laracon Australia</li><li>We discuss <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgV6M1LyfNY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgV6M1LyfNY</a></li></ul>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Oct 2023 13:58:56 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/fad3e59c/2fbc3efd.mp3" length="76405874" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3179</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>John is tanking a lot of bureaucracy</li><li>Daniel is writing a LOT of code</li><li>Daniel is going to Laracon Australia</li><li>We discuss <a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgV6M1LyfNY">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgV6M1LyfNY</a></li></ul>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>9: The Dawn of The Pricing Saga</title>
      <itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>9</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>9: The Dawn of The Pricing Saga</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">3ec8a63a-b934-4779-ae86-5237fceff998</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/7e955c4c</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>According to ChatGPT we discussed:</p><ul><li>Mentoring and meetings</li><li>Age discussion</li><li>Product management</li><li>Splitting time between two companies</li><li>Home inspector conference in Atlantic City</li><li>Billing strategies</li><li>Different pricing models (hourly, project-based, retainer)</li><li>Composite team approach (offering product management, engineering, design)</li><li>Value proposition for small companies</li><li>Communicating and marketing the value proposition for Sunk</li></ul>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>According to ChatGPT we discussed:</p><ul><li>Mentoring and meetings</li><li>Age discussion</li><li>Product management</li><li>Splitting time between two companies</li><li>Home inspector conference in Atlantic City</li><li>Billing strategies</li><li>Different pricing models (hourly, project-based, retainer)</li><li>Composite team approach (offering product management, engineering, design)</li><li>Value proposition for small companies</li><li>Communicating and marketing the value proposition for Sunk</li></ul>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Oct 2023 13:08:21 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/7e955c4c/c9cab4ce.mp3" length="64289135" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2674</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>According to ChatGPT we discussed:</p><ul><li>Mentoring and meetings</li><li>Age discussion</li><li>Product management</li><li>Splitting time between two companies</li><li>Home inspector conference in Atlantic City</li><li>Billing strategies</li><li>Different pricing models (hourly, project-based, retainer)</li><li>Composite team approach (offering product management, engineering, design)</li><li>Value proposition for small companies</li><li>Communicating and marketing the value proposition for Sunk</li></ul>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>8: Progress!</title>
      <itunes:episode>8</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>8</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>8: Progress!</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">74107ef7-38e2-43b3-a937-0324c76236ea</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/a2d60f1b</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We catch up as usual, and check in on the state of all our goals.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We catch up as usual, and check in on the state of all our goals.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Thu, 05 Oct 2023 23:26:46 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/a2d60f1b/ac21f188.mp3" length="45139358" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2814</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We catch up as usual, and check in on the state of all our goals.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>7: Our Great Shame</title>
      <itunes:episode>7</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>7</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>7: Our Great Shame</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">58e3d327-4aee-439e-96e2-a99fc87d1eba</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/8dcb4e86</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode we dig deep and do a post-mortem on a messy wrap-up to a client engagement.<br>Our key takeaways:</p><ul><li>Overcommunicate</li><li>Overcommunicate some more</li></ul>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode we dig deep and do a post-mortem on a messy wrap-up to a client engagement.<br>Our key takeaways:</p><ul><li>Overcommunicate</li><li>Overcommunicate some more</li></ul>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Mon, 25 Sep 2023 19:51:07 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/8dcb4e86/cd20ff98.mp3" length="49453956" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3084</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>On this episode we dig deep and do a post-mortem on a messy wrap-up to a client engagement.<br>Our key takeaways:</p><ul><li>Overcommunicate</li><li>Overcommunicate some more</li></ul>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>6: How Thunk Will Die</title>
      <itunes:episode>6</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>6</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>6: How Thunk Will Die</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">7ccc6568-7659-4b1a-8f6b-5bd4277e2011</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/337b089e</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>This episode is late because of an interesting process breakdown.</p><ul><li>Verbs Vacation</li><li>A New "vision-mission-value"</li><li>The Pre-Mortem</li></ul>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>This episode is late because of an interesting process breakdown.</p><ul><li>Verbs Vacation</li><li>A New "vision-mission-value"</li><li>The Pre-Mortem</li></ul>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Sun, 24 Sep 2023 06:37:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/337b089e/647d3c99.mp3" length="42885785" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2674</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>This episode is late because of an interesting process breakdown.</p><ul><li>Verbs Vacation</li><li>A New "vision-mission-value"</li><li>The Pre-Mortem</li></ul>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>5: Empanelling Aaron Francis</title>
      <itunes:episode>5</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>5</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>5: Empanelling Aaron Francis</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">cc43e7ae-b77e-4ed3-b08d-ad614dfb641a</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/291305cc</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Aaron Francis (@aarondfrancis) officially joins Thunk's panel of mentors! Aaron gives John feedback on his blogs, and provides LOADS of good ideas for how to improve it and grow the audience. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Aaron Francis (@aarondfrancis) officially joins Thunk's panel of mentors! Aaron gives John feedback on his blogs, and provides LOADS of good ideas for how to improve it and grow the audience. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Fri, 15 Sep 2023 12:30:33 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/291305cc/6e68615e.mp3" length="58398293" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3643</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Aaron Francis (@aarondfrancis) officially joins Thunk's panel of mentors! Aaron gives John feedback on his blogs, and provides LOADS of good ideas for how to improve it and grow the audience. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>4: Who Are Your Guys?</title>
      <itunes:episode>4</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>4</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>4: Who Are Your Guys?</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">d8ac9e58-ddfb-4758-8df7-c3dfaf9bdf07</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/ba441e9f</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Who are our guys?</p><p>We run through a list of potential panelists for our panel of mentors and discuss what it would event look like to empanel them.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Who are our guys?</p><p>We run through a list of potential panelists for our panel of mentors and discuss what it would event look like to empanel them.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 05 Sep 2023 18:33:26 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/ba441e9f/9cb3fc38.mp3" length="58229430" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>3633</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Who are our guys?</p><p>We run through a list of potential panelists for our panel of mentors and discuss what it would event look like to empanel them.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>3: The Sales Funnel is Working</title>
      <itunes:episode>3</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>3</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>3: The Sales Funnel is Working</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">d81a8194-1b22-4e10-a175-0b3a544892c7</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/0ba8e547</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>John's game <a href="https://www.catacombian.com/colossi">Colossi</a> is almost ready</li><li>The sales funnel is working</li><li>Max is having a hard one</li><li>We've made progress on our goals</li><li>This is not the episode about hiring a mentor</li></ul>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>John's game <a href="https://www.catacombian.com/colossi">Colossi</a> is almost ready</li><li>The sales funnel is working</li><li>Max is having a hard one</li><li>We've made progress on our goals</li><li>This is not the episode about hiring a mentor</li></ul>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 29 Aug 2023 22:56:20 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/0ba8e547/41c5df19.mp3" length="61354990" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2552</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>John's game <a href="https://www.catacombian.com/colossi">Colossi</a> is almost ready</li><li>The sales funnel is working</li><li>Max is having a hard one</li><li>We've made progress on our goals</li><li>This is not the episode about hiring a mentor</li></ul>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>2: Vision, Mission, Values</title>
      <itunes:episode>2</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>2</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>2: Vision, Mission, Values</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">f73e5437-a9fc-47bd-99cb-3a0ed24157ed</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/99d385bd</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>We have glowing feedback for each other</li><li>Daniel's blog feedback made the blog a lot better</li><li>Getting creative with business development tactics</li><li>We discuss the company's Vision, Mission, and Values</li></ul>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>We have glowing feedback for each other</li><li>Daniel's blog feedback made the blog a lot better</li><li>Getting creative with business development tactics</li><li>We discuss the company's Vision, Mission, and Values</li></ul>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Tue, 22 Aug 2023 09:07:17 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/99d385bd/c91be9f7.mp3" length="96924557" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4034</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>We have glowing feedback for each other</li><li>Daniel's blog feedback made the blog a lot better</li><li>Getting creative with business development tactics</li><li>We discuss the company's Vision, Mission, and Values</li></ul>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords>software, agency, business, build in public, tech, laravel</itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
    </item>
    <item>
      <title>1: The FG Scale</title>
      <itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>1: The FG Scale</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">117e723c-9d63-4e69-b4d3-933b6329cb00</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/670a34e3</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>Daniel has feedback on John's blog posts. </li><li>Why do feedback? Why is it so painful? </li><li>The "FG Scale" </li><li>Does Jacob feel empowered to give us feedback? </li><li>Should we keep our docs in Slab? </li><li>Why set goals? What are OKRs? </li><li>In the back half of the episode, we get super detailed deciding what our goals are for the rest of 2024. </li></ul><p><br></p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<ul><li>Daniel has feedback on John's blog posts. </li><li>Why do feedback? Why is it so painful? </li><li>The "FG Scale" </li><li>Does Jacob feel empowered to give us feedback? </li><li>Should we keep our docs in Slab? </li><li>Why set goals? What are OKRs? </li><li>In the back half of the episode, we get super detailed deciding what our goals are for the rest of 2024. </li></ul><p><br></p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Fri, 18 Aug 2023 16:35:48 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/670a34e3/16ccb55c.mp3" length="108362404" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Daniel Coulbourne &amp; John Drexler</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>4511</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
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