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      <title>How to build a network as an introvert</title>
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      <title>Why You Simply Must Have a Newsletter</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Katie &amp; Hayley talk about why you simply must have a newsletter! What can often be an afterthought may be one of your most effective marketing tools in your arsenal. Listen on as Katie and Hayley (well, mostly Katie, lets be real) talk about how to start one, be consistent with one, build it, what to include and what not to include, and all of the building blocks needed to start and maintain a successful newsletter.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Katie &amp; Hayley talk about why you simply must have a newsletter! What can often be an afterthought may be one of your most effective marketing tools in your arsenal. Listen on as Katie and Hayley (well, mostly Katie, lets be real) talk about how to start one, be consistent with one, build it, what to include and what not to include, and all of the building blocks needed to start and maintain a successful newsletter.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2026 06:12:54 -0700</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Katie &amp; Hayley discuss social media! And well, mostly Instagram. This pod covers everything from best practices in posting, to learning and working with the algorithm, getting comfortable with being uncomfortable in front of the camera, and some clear take aways for how to improve your presence, why its important, and how to hopefully have a little fun with it, too. Facebook? Sure - but we have very little advice, because no one understands how Facebook works. Enjoy! </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2026 10:44:06 -0700</pubDate>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Defining Your Target Audience &amp; Customer Avatar</title>
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      <itunes:title>Defining Your Target Audience &amp; Customer Avatar</itunes:title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode Hayley and Katie talk wins and fails, and then Katie walks Hayley through defining her target audience through a series of questions to help her drill down on her ideal customer avatar. The nightmare that is marketing is soooo much easier when you know who you are talking to! </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode Hayley and Katie talk wins and fails, and then Katie walks Hayley through defining her target audience through a series of questions to help her drill down on her ideal customer avatar. The nightmare that is marketing is soooo much easier when you know who you are talking to! </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2026 16:46:28 -0700</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode Hayley and Katie talk wins and fails, and then Katie walks Hayley through defining her target audience through a series of questions to help her drill down on her ideal customer avatar. The nightmare that is marketing is soooo much easier when you know who you are talking to! </p>]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Small Biz No Nos</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss the things one should NOT do in small business. Some may be hot takes, some are things you should definitely listen to us about. Either way, we want you to succeed and this advice will help you get there.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss the things one should NOT do in small business. Some may be hot takes, some are things you should definitely listen to us about. Either way, we want you to succeed and this advice will help you get there.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Jul 2026 10:12:40 -0700</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode we discuss the things one should NOT do in small business. Some may be hot takes, some are things you should definitely listen to us about. Either way, we want you to succeed and this advice will help you get there.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>The Building Blocks of a Small Business</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we chat about the building blocks of small business. These are the foundational mindsets and tools you'll need to be able to start and sustain a small business. Take it from us! We are smart, ours moms said so.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we chat about the building blocks of small business. These are the foundational mindsets and tools you'll need to be able to start and sustain a small business. Take it from us! We are smart, ours moms said so.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2026 10:31:22 -0700</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we chat about the building blocks of small business. These are the foundational mindsets and tools you'll need to be able to start and sustain a small business. Take it from us! We are smart, ours moms said so.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Intros, Failure Tolerance &amp; Trusting Your Intuition</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In our first episode we introduce ourselves and our businesses, why we wanted to do this pod, what you'll learn and what you can expect. We also chat about failure tolerance and trusting your intuition in business.</p><p><strong><em>Get to know our businesses!</em></strong><br>Katie: Soy Much Brighter Candle Co. <a href="https://www.soymuchbrighter.com/">www.soymuchbrighter.com</a><br>Hayley: North Shore Locals Ornaments <a href="https://northshorelocalsornaments.shop/">https://northshorelocalsornaments.shop/</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In our first episode we introduce ourselves and our businesses, why we wanted to do this pod, what you'll learn and what you can expect. We also chat about failure tolerance and trusting your intuition in business.</p><p><strong><em>Get to know our businesses!</em></strong><br>Katie: Soy Much Brighter Candle Co. <a href="https://www.soymuchbrighter.com/">www.soymuchbrighter.com</a><br>Hayley: North Shore Locals Ornaments <a href="https://northshorelocalsornaments.shop/">https://northshorelocalsornaments.shop/</a></p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 07 Jul 2026 06:00:00 -0700</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In our first episode we introduce ourselves and our businesses, why we wanted to do this pod, what you'll learn and what you can expect. We also chat about failure tolerance and trusting your intuition in business.</p><p><strong><em>Get to know our businesses!</em></strong><br>Katie: Soy Much Brighter Candle Co. <a href="https://www.soymuchbrighter.com/">www.soymuchbrighter.com</a><br>Hayley: North Shore Locals Ornaments <a href="https://northshorelocalsornaments.shop/">https://northshorelocalsornaments.shop/</a></p>]]>
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