Episode 02 - From Big Tech to Startup: What They Don't Tell You | David Aronchick

Nate Dinet — Fri, 31 Jul 2026 13:00:00 +0100

David Aronchick spent years inside some of the biggest names in tech Microsoft, Google, Amazon before making the leap to build his own company, Expanso, a distributed data platform helping businesses manage and process data across multiple locations without it ever leaving their control. In this episode, Nate sits down with David to talk through what that transition actually looks like: the go-to-market reality no one prepares you for, what it means to find your first customer versus your second, and why a great product alone won't get you very far.
David gets into the hard lessons of early customer onboarding, why startups spread themselves too thin chasing every opportunity, and how the B2B buying landscape has shifted closer to consumer behaviour than most founders expect. He also shares his honest take on product market fit, the myth of the repeatable sales motion, and what he'd do differently if he could go back.
What you'll take away from this episode:

Why leaving a big tech company is harder than it looks — and what support you lose the moment your email address changes
How Expanso approached early customer onboarding without ripping and replacing existing infrastructure
The real difference between your first customer and your second, and what you should learn from each
Why chasing every customer request is one of the biggest mistakes early-stage startups make
The go-to-market truth most product-focused founders don't want to hear
How B2B buying behaviour has shifted and what that means for founders selling into enterprise today

Connect with David Aronchick on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/aronchick/

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– Nate and the Second Order podcast team

Connect with Nate Dinet on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/nathanieldinet
Visit The Step Manager website here: https://www.thestepmanager.com

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Second Order is a podcast for technology founders, COOs, and operations leaders who want to understand what actually happens between closing a deal and delivering on it. Hosted by Nate Dinet of The Step Manager, each episode features honest conversations with CEOs, heads of business operations, and senior executives at SaaS companies, AI-native startups, and tech services firms - people who have built delivery systems under pressure and lived to tell the story.
The podcast sits at the intersection of operational execution and company growth, covering the challenges most business podcasts skip over: delivery chaos at scale, the founder bottleneck, bespoke traps that erode margins, and the ongoing question of when to invest in technology versus people. If you're scaling a technology business and the gap between selling and delivering is where things get messy, Second Order is where you'll find the frameworks, stories, and hard-won insight to close that gap.
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Episode 01 - Why AI Can't Fix a Broken Team | Nate Dinet | Second Order

Nate Dinet — Fri, 24 Jul 2026 15:00:00 +0100

Welcome to the first episode of the Second Order podcast with Nate DInet.

Everyone's asking how to move faster with AI, but almost nobody is asking what happens after speed increases. In the debut episode of the Second Order Podcast, host Nate Dinet unpacks why first order thinking, the instinct to solve the most visible problem, keeps leaders, teams and founders stuck in the same cycles: more meetings when trust breaks down, more headcount when a role was never clearly defined, more AI tools layered onto a strategy that was never clear in the first place. AI doesn't fix a broken operating system, misaligned leadership or unclear communication. It just makes those problems move faster.

This episode lays the groundwork for what the show is built to explore: the consequences of the consequences. Nate walks through real examples from his own career, including a moment where a leader's instinct was to fire an underperforming employee without ever asking why they were struggling, to illustrate how second order thinking changes the questions leaders ask before they act. The conversation touches on AI adoption, strategic clarity, decision-making under pressure, and why building faster isn't the same as building the right thing. It's a must-listen for founders, executives and team leads who want to think more clearly while everything around them speeds up.

Key takeaways:
Using AI to execute an unclear strategy faster just produces a faster version of the same problem
First order thinking reacts to the visible symptom; second order thinking asks what happens next
AI increases output, but output is not the same as better outcomes
Common knee-jerk reactions, like adding more meetings or removing underperforming employees, often mask deeper systemic issues
The real test AI creates for a business is whether it already knows what it's trying to do
Building faster only matters if you're building the right thing, not just anything you can

If this episode gave you a new way to think about how you and your team are using AI, give it a like, subscribe for more episodes, and share it with someone who's asking "how do we move faster" before asking "should we."

I hope you enjoy this episode! Give it a like, share, and subscribe to not miss the content coming your way weekly.
– Nate and the Second Order podcast team

Connect with Nate Dinet on LinkedIn: linkedin.com/in/nathanieldinet
Visit The Step Manager website here: https://www.thestepmanager.com