In this episode, Divan talks to Jennis and JC about the full arc: the decision to quit banking, building The Whippet from scratch with zero hospitality experience, the Melville branch that didn't survive, the community fundraiser that saved 12 jobs, and launching Smoke in Pretoria. He also opens up about presenting Winslyn on kykNET for nine years - including the nights he was on TV talking about business while crying in his dressing room over the Melville collapse.

And in the second half, a conversation nobody expected: Divan came out publicly at 38. What that looked like, why he waited, what it says about the world his kids are growing up in and why living authentically became more important than living quietly.

Own the fame.

Learn from the f*ck ups.

Keep fixing it.

Screens. Cell phones. YouTube. Uber Eats. School WhatsApp groups. Kids wanting sushi for lunch. And somehow we’re all expected to know exactly what we’re doing.

This week, it’s just Jennis and JC in The Recovery Room, having an honest conversation about modern parenting. As two dads raising boys in Johannesburg, they wear every hat: mom, dad, disciplinarian, safe space, hype man and tooth fairy. Sometimes all before breakfast.

This is the parenting conversation nobody is having from the guy's perspective. And they don't hold back.

This isn’t an expert parenting guide.

It’s two dads trying to figure it out in real time.

Own the fame.
Learn from the f@ck ups.
Keep fixing it.

Not in a dismissive way. In the way that makes you realise you've been thinking about success completely wrong.

Dean Goldblum - actor, philosopher, and Jennis and JC's long-time friend - sits down for one for an unexpected conversation on The Recovery Room. They came in expecting to talk about career. They ended up talking about life.

Together they unpack:
•⁠  ⁠Why difficult conversations matter
•⁠  ⁠The problem with “I don’t see colour”
•⁠  ⁠White guilt and why it can become a barrier to growth
•⁠  ⁠Adoption, culture and belonging
•⁠  ⁠Why asking questions is often better than staying silent
•⁠  ⁠How genuine relationships help us understand each other better

This isn’t about having all the answers. It’s about being willing to have the conversation.

Remember to own the fame, learn from the f*ck ups and keep fixing it.

From growing up in Springs to working as a PA at Barclays Capital in London and then walking away from security to chase an acting dream she didn't even know had a name yet. Angelique's story is not the one you think you know.

After four back-to-back guests: JP Geldenhuys, Chanley Wong, Wim Steyn and Danielle Retief. In this episode, they unpack what actually stuck: the things each guest said that kept running through their heads after the recording stopped. And in the process, they end up going somewhere much more personal.

They talk about The Cutting Room Chronicles. A printed book in their office of every single project that was pitched, developed, and rejected over the years. The pivot they took from Life-in-a-Bulb Productions to Life ETC, and why staying would have cost them everything. Why creative people never mourn their losses, and why that might quietly be destroying them. What it felt like posting something vulnerable about a parent and watching a silly TikTok dance video go up from the company account on the same day. And the one currency that Chanley said in her episode that neither of them can stop thinking about.

This is the episode for anyone who has ever given everything to a project, watched it disappear, and had to just keep moving.

In this episode of The Recovery Room, Wim traces the full arc: sitting in MNET's foyer for three days to get his first break on Idols. Building MK from scratch. Pitching Devilsdorp without knowing what the show would be. And the very real human cost of making true crime. The team members who've had to tap out, the psychologist he keeps on standby, the moment you have to ask a grieving father to relive the worst thing that ever happened to him.

Honest, generous, and full of hard-won wisdom about South African storytelling. One of our best episodes.

She was the only Asian girl at every casting. She got her first TV job, then got pulled off air a month in. She went through a heartbreak that left her not wanting to wake up. She spent seven years building herself back up before finally landing her dream: a presenting seat on Expresso Morning Show.

In this episode, Chanley gets completely real with JC and Janice. She talks about what it actually means to be mixed-race in the SA entertainment industry, the racism she still faces in shopping malls in 2024, her 75-year-old dad becoming a TikTok star, imposter syndrome that never goes away — and the moment at Hartebeespoort tunnel where she finally felt like she could breathe again.

Funny, honest, emotional, and worth every minute.

Now he's Mr SA 2025 and he wore the sash while his arm was in a sling after tearing his bicep off the bone in three places during finals week.

JC and Jennis sit down with JP for one of the most stripped-back conversations The Recovery Room has produced. They cover grief, masculinity, the famous "41" tattoo, viral TikTok comedy, fame f***ers, and what it really means to be a role model when you've got skeletons and tattoos to show for it.

If you've ever thought pageants were about looking perfect, this episode will change your mind.

We watched Netflix's "Into the Manosphere" and it broke our brains so we're talking about it. What does masculinity actually mean? Why does fake bravado sell so well online? And why do influencers keep getting away with saying one thing and living another?

We also get into:
-Why clickbait works (and how to use it for good)
-Helén Zille swimming in a Joburg pothole - good content or great content?
-What we actually want to teach our kids about being men

No magazine covers. No PR spin. Just honest, unfiltered conversation from two people who've been in this industry for 25+ years and have the stories to prove it.

In this episode, Jennis and JC sit down with one of South Africa's most recognisable Afrikaans entertainers, Nadia Beukes, for a conversation that's as honest as it is warm. Nadia opens up about the moment a cancelled contract sent her hiding in a wardrobe, the theatre night she fell asleep in her dressing room and had to sprint onto a live stage mid-song, and the harder, quieter question of what it means to build a career and a family without dropping the wrong ball.

She talks about learning to say no, finding the humanity in characters she doesn't agree with, and why she thinks people should stop chasing dreams and start chasing their talents. There's faith, there's gratitude, there are a lot of Barbies — and there's a glass of hot chocolate that saved the day.

This one's for anyone who's ever hidden from a hard moment and needed someone to coax them back out.

In the first full episode of Fame, F@ck Ups & Fixing It, Jennis and JC sit down with Sami Hall to unpack the reality behind a public career — the highs, the pressure, and the moments when things don’t go according to plan.

Sami opens up about the journey into the spotlight, the challenges that followed, and what it really takes to rebuild when things fall apart.

This conversation dives into the messy middle that most people never see — the mistakes, the self-reflection, and the process of figuring out what comes next.

Because the real story isn’t just about success.

It’s about what you do after the f@ck ups.

Remember to own the fame, learn from the f@ck ups, and keep fixing it.

This is not a highlight reel podcast.
It’s about what happens after the applause.
After the headlines.
After things don’t go according to plan.

In the coming episodes, we sit down with creatives, public figures, and industry leaders to unpack the real stories behind success — the wins, the collapses, and the rebuilding.

Remember to own the fame, learn from the f@ck ups, and keep fixing it.

Before the success.

Before the f@ck ups.

We tried to say the tagline.

Welcome to Fame, F@ck Ups & Fixing It — a candid, story-driven podcast hosted by Jennis and JC exploring what really happens behind public-facing success.

In this teaser, we give you a glimpse of the energy behind the mic… and prove that even saying the line isn’t always easy.

Real conversations.

Real failures.

Real lessons.

Full episodes launching soon.

Remember to own the fame, learn from the f@ck ups, and keep fixing it.

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