✨ "Success is a tricky thing. You can get to the point where you start to believe your own bullshit — and that has some negative impacts on your relationships." – Eric Robertson

Eric Robertson spent 33 years inside some of the most painful moments families ever face — divorce. As one of Austin's most respected family law attorneys, he sat across from men and women at their most raw and most desperate. What he noticed about the men changed the direction of his life. They weren't falling apart in the ways the system was built to recognize. They were shutting down, overworking, picking fights, and quietly disappearing inside themselves — and nobody had a name for what was happening to them. That observation sent Eric back to school for a second master's degree in clinical mental health counseling, and launched an entirely new career focused on men's emotional wellbeing.

This conversation matters deeply if you love a man — a son, a partner, a brother, a father. So much of what Eric shares illuminates not just what men are going through, but why they behave the way they do when they're struggling, and what the people around them can actually do to help. If you've ever felt the wall go up, or watched someone you care about go quiet when you knew something was wrong, this episode will give you language, compassion, and insight you didn't have before.

Rupert and Eric move through the staggering statistics behind male loneliness and suicide, the question of why successful men are often the ones struggling most, and the double standards men quietly carry. Eric walks through how depression actually shows up in men — irritability, emotional numbness, compulsive overworking, chronic pain — so listeners can recognize what they might previously have dismissed or misread. The conversation takes a genuinely practical turn when Eric demonstrates a live bilateral tapping session with Rupert on-air, offering a simple tool for emotional regulation that anyone can begin using today.

Rupert brings his own lens throughout — from his years living with San Bushmen hunter-gatherer communities in southern Africa, to raising his autistic son Rowan, to his own honest reflections on therapy, mentorship, and what men actually need to heal. Whether you're listening for yourself, for someone you love, or simply because you sense the men in your world are carrying more than they're letting on — come with an open heart, and you'll leave with new eyes.

What You'll Learn in This Episode

• Why Eric left a 33-year career as a top divorce attorney to become a men's therapist — and what he kept seeing in his male clients that no one was addressing [00:03:35]
• The statistics behind male loneliness and suicide: 80% of suicides in 2023 were men, and 15% of young men now report having no close friends — a fivefold increase since 1990 [00:04:34]
• How depression and emotional distress show up differently in men — and why so many cases go unrecognized [00:10:21]
• Why successful men are often the ones struggling most, and how chasing external validation can quietly hollow out a life [00:16:38]
• The role of mentorship in Eric's own story — how one senior attorney modeled a different way to live and why Eric credits him with changing his trajectory [00:25:00] • What divorce coaching is, why it differs from therapy or legal advice, and why well-meaning "shadow advisors" often make things worse [00:37:33]
• The double standard men silently carry — expected to be emotionally present at home, while still judged as providers if they fall short [00:55:39]
• How to raise emotionally literate boys, including the powerful practice of "connection before correction" when a child acts out [00:53:03]
• Why young men need healthy risk — and how the loss of mentored, nature-based challenge is driving the retreat into screens and isolation [01:07:38]
• The neuroscience of the developing frontal cortex: why young men's brains aren't yet wired for emotional regulation, and what that means for how we respond to them [01:21:00]
• How bilateral tapping works to regulate emotional overwhelm — demonstrated live in the episode [01:24:15]
• Eric's closing framework for working with men: normalize emotion without forcing verbal vulnerability, focus on goals, and frame help as skill-building rather than weakness [01:31:49]

Memorable Moments

• Eric describes watching male divorce clients shut down rather than fall apart — the observation that sent him back to school and into an entirely new career [00:03:35] 
• Rupert and Eric do a live bilateral tapping session on-air — Rupert taps along as Eric guides him through the protocol, and notes a genuine shift by the end [01:24:46] 
• Eric admits that at the height of his legal career he started believing his own success story in ways that cost him his closest relationships — and the moment he knew something had to change [00:19:00] 
• Rupert shares the story of a young man who wouldn't leave his room — brought to his farm in winter, where chopping wood to stay warm turned out to be the intervention no therapist had managed [01:17:03] 
• Eric describes a divorce case that flipped the gender script: a stay-at-home husband whose female breadwinner said exactly what men usually say — revealing how much of conflict is human, not gendered [00:56:18] 
• Eric admits he used to do secret tapping exercises before every courtroom trial to manage his own anxiety — and now uses that confession to help male clients get past the "touchy-feely" resistance [01:28:36]

Projects and Organizations Mentioned

• Robertson Counseling and Therapy — Eric Robertson's practice in Austin, Texas: https://robertsonct.com
• American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers
• American Institute of Boys and Men
• EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitization and Reprocessing)
• Divorce Discernment Counseling
• Movement Method / New Trails Learning Systems: https://ntls.co
• University of Bournemouth equine study on domestic violence re-offending
• The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land — books by Rupert Isaacson

About Eric Robertson

Eric Robertson is a licensed professional counselor associate based in Austin, Texas. After 33 years as a family law attorney — including serving on the board of the American Academy of Matrimonial Lawyers — he returned to his original calling and completed a master's degree in clinical mental health counseling. He now works with men and individuals navigating divorce, offering both therapy and divorce coaching to help people stay emotionally regulated when it matters most. His website is www.robertsonct.com.

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⭐ “You have to be either searching or enjoying — nothing in between.” – Karen Rohlf

Karen Rohlf didn’t start out trying to reinvent dressage — she started as a horse‑crazy kid, fell into traditional training, and then slowly realized something wasn’t adding up.

In this episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson speaks with Karen about the hidden tension inside modern dressage, the difference between training and performance, and why so many riders get stuck chasing “correctness” instead of connection.

Karen shares her journey from competitive dressage into a more horse‑centered approach, including the moment she nearly quit horses altogether — and how rediscovering joy, curiosity, and partnership brought her back.

The conversation explores the deep conflict between competition and wellbeing, the limits of traditional systems, and why many so‑called “dressage problems” are actually issues of communication, lifestyle, or emotional state. Karen introduces her “Happy Athlete Training Scale,” a radically simple but powerful framework that starts not with movement — but with happiness, harmony, and understanding.

From letting go of ego‑driven goals to developing real feel, this is a conversation about what dressage could be — and what it becomes when we truly listen to the horse.

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What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

•  How traditional dressage systems often prioritize appearance over communication [00:11:30]
•  The difference between training for tomorrow vs performing for today [00:12:30]
•  Why competition can quietly distort good training decisions [00:18:00]
•  Why Karen Rohlf almost quit horses — and what brought her back [00:23:00]
•  How Karen blends dressage with natural horsemanship principles [00:27:00]
•  The role of relaxation — and why it’s widely misunderstood [00:34:30]
•  Karen’s “Happy Athlete Training Scale” — happiness, harmony, communication, biomechanics, and sport [00:37:00]
•  Why many dressage problems are actually communication problems [00:39:00]
•  How to develop real feel instead of relying on rigid techniques [01:11:00]
•  A practical method to improve your horse without being told “what’s right” [01:12:00]
•  Why play, curiosity, and experimentation create better precision than control [01:14:00]
•  The importance of voice, reward, and feedback in training [01:20:00]

Memorable Moments from the Episode:

•  The concept that many riders are trained to “make it look right” even when it isn’t [00:12:00]
•  The moment she saw her horse trying so hard he broke gait trying to please her [00:20:00]
•  Karen realizing she didn’t actually want the Olympic path — despite being on track for it [00:21:00]
•  Living out of a horse trailer between Florida and Colorado while redefining her approach [00:26:00]
•  The insight that horses don’t need to be controlled — they need to understand [00:39:00]
•  The clinic story where fixing basic communication transformed advanced movements instantly [00:50:00]
•  The simple but powerful rule: “You must be either searching or enjoying” [01:15:00]
•  Karen’s reflection on stepping away from the “horse industry” to stay true to her values [01:27:00]

Projects and Organizations Mentioned:

• Dressage Naturally

• New Trails Learning Systems

• Helios Harmony

About Karen Rohlf:

Karen Rohlf is an internationally recognized clinician, author, and creator of the Dressage Naturally approach.

Originally trained in traditional competitive dressage, she has spent decades developing a system that blends classical training with horse‑centered communication, emotional awareness, and partnership.

Her work focuses on helping riders develop feel, clarity, and connection — creating horses that are not just trained, but willing, confident, and understood.

Website: https://dressagenaturally.net

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“ It’s not about being an expert in everything — it’s about being interested in everything.” – Laura Chesterfield

Laura Chesterfield grew up inside one of the most magical landscape restorations in the world: The Lost Gardens of Heligan in Cornwall. As the daughter of Heligan co‑founder Tim Smit, Laura watched the famous gardens emerge from decades of abandonment after the First World War — a process that revealed not only a remarkable landscape, but powerful stories about people, nature, restoration, and belonging.

In this episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson speaks with Laura about what it means to build a sense of place — and why storytelling, nature, animals, and imagination are essential to human wellbeing.

Laura shares the extraordinary story of Heligan’s rediscovery, when the signatures of gardeners who had left for World War I were found written on a wall in the “Thunderbox Room,” marking the moment the gardens fell silent for decades.

From tropical jungles and giant tree ferns to regenerative farming, rare breed livestock, poetry hidden in landscapes, and sculptures like the famous Mud Maid, Heligan has become a living example of how landscape, creativity, ecology, and community can intertwine.

The conversation explores how landscapes can become healing spaces, why storytelling connects people more deeply than information, the role animals — including horses — play in shaping human identity, regenerative farming and biodiversity restoration, reintroducing beavers as a keystone species, and how curiosity and playfulness drive innovation.

Laura also discusses her next chapter: launching Lova Studios, a consultancy helping organizations discover and communicate the deeper stories within their landscapes, businesses, and communities.

This is a conversation about place, memory, nature, imagination, and how meaningful stories shape the future.

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What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How the Lost Gardens of Heligan were rediscovered after decades of abandonment following World War I [00:03:00]
• The powerful moment when the signatures of the wartime gardeners were discovered on the wall of the “Thunderbox Room” [00:04:29]
• Why Heligan became a living landscape rather than a static historic garden [00:12:10]
• How landscapes can become places of emotional healing and reflection [00:15:13]
• The famous Heligan sculptures — including the Mud Maid, the Giant’s Head, and the Grey Lady — and how they inspire storytelling [00:26:10]
• How poetry and art were integrated into the landscape through Simon Armitage’s Dwell collection [00:33:00]
• The creation of the six‑meter fox sculpture inspired by Heligan wildlife and poetry [00:39:00]
• Why the Heligan Bug Hotel became the largest insect hotel in the world [00:46:04]
• How beavers function as a keystone species and transform ecosystems [00:56:27]
• The role regenerative grazing plays in restoring soil health and biodiversity [01:11:00]
• How horses shaped Laura’s personal connection to nature and leadership [01:18:00]
• Why storytelling is the key to helping people connect emotionally with landscapes and places [01:37:00]

Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• The rediscovery of Heligan’s abandoned tools and buildings exactly as the gardeners left them before the war [00:02:50]
• The haunting signatures of the gardeners who left for World War I and never returned [00:04:29]
• Walking through Heligan’s jungle ravine of giant tree ferns and gunnera plants [00:18:00]
• The Mud Maid sculpture — a sleeping earth figure made of moss and soil [00:26:10]
• Simon Armitage’s poem inspiring the creation of the massive fox sculpture [00:35:54]
• The Bug Hotel TripAdvisor poem told from the perspective of insects [00:49:59]
• The moment a fallen 200‑year‑old tree was transformed into the fox sculpture [00:42:00]
• Laura describing the day she lost her beloved Welsh Section D pony after 23 years [01:21:00]
• The idea that storytelling — not signage — is what makes people truly connect to a place [01:46:27]

Projects and Organizations Mentioned:

• The Lost Gardens of Heligan
• The Eden Project
• Rare Breeds Survival Trust
• New Trails Learning Systems
• Helios Harmony

About Laura Chesterfield:

Laura Chesterfield grew up surrounded by one of the most remarkable landscape restoration projects in Europe: The Lost Gardens of Heligan in Cornwall.

Over nearly a decade working at Heligan, she helped lead projects that integrated storytelling, livestock farming, ecology, art, and visitor experience — including the Heligan Rare Breed Farm Park, wildlife initiatives, sculpture programs, and biodiversity projects such as beaver reintroduction and regenerative grazing.

Laura is now launching Lova Studios, a consultancy dedicated to helping organizations uncover and communicate the deeper stories within landscapes, communities, and businesses.

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✨ “It’s not rocket science. It’s telling a compelling story to a receptive audience.” – Jeff Tomhave

Jeff Tomhave is a Native American attorney and tribal advocate who has spent more than two decades working at the intersection of federal policy, infrastructure development, healthcare access, and tribal sovereignty.

In this episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson sits down with Jeff for a far‑reaching conversation about what it means to live in “America within America.” From federal land trust systems and underfunded reservations to cancer treatment access and tribal disenrollment, Jeff offers a rare inside look at how Native nations navigate – and challenge – the structures imposed upon them.

Jeff shares how his own path to law was less about becoming a courtroom attorney and more about gaining the tools to advocate for tribal communities at the highest levels of government. Together, he and Rupert explore invisibility, historic trauma, cultural survival, gaming revenues, sovereignty, and Jeff’s long‑term dream of training the next generation of tribal advocates.

This is not just a conversation about law. It is about survival, adaptation, sovereignty, healing, and what the future of Native America could look like.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Jeff’s tribal background (Hidatsa, Mandan, Arikara, Potawatomi, Ho-Chunk) and how boarding school history shaped modern Native identity [00:06:00]
• Why he chose to earn a law degree without intending to practice traditional law [00:10:00]
• How the federal trust system prevents many tribes from owning their own land [00:12:49]
• Why property taxation limitations impact essential services on reservations [00:16:27]
• How infrastructure advocacy actually works in Washington, DC [00:25:00]
• The Navajo Mountain road project and how paving 14 miles changed an entire school system [00:25:46]
• How HIV/AIDS treatment became accessible in Indian Country after years of advocacy [00:30:23]
• The 10-year effort to secure reimbursement for the first cancer treatment center on Navajo Nation [00:32:32]
• Why Native America often feels “invisible” inside the United States [00:45:04]
• The impact of checkerboard land systems and railroad-era policies on modern reservations [00:47:25]
• The reality behind gaming revenue and why most tribes remain economically fragile [01:04:33]
• The controversial practice of tribal disenrollment and blood quantum laws [01:24:33]
• Jeff’s vision for training a new generation of tribal advocates from within Native communities [01:44:00]
• What a unified Native future could look like 50 years from now [01:46:39]

Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• The powwow rodeo lariat dance as a symbol of cultural evolution [00:58:50]
• The “divide and conquer” legacy and why tribal unity remains complex [01:10:53]
• The idea that genocide can continue through policy and paperwork [01:26:26]
• The story of French adoption into Plains tribes and cultural adaptation [01:32:00]
• Rupert recounts how Navajo ceremony transformed his son’s autism journey [01:41:00]
• Jeff’s quiet but powerful dream of building tribal advocacy capacity from the ground up [01:44:00]

Projects and Organizations Mentioned:

• Tomhave Group

• Native American Humane Society

• Navajo Nation

• Indian Health Service

• Bureau of Indian Affairs

• First Nations Development Institute

About Jeff Tomhave:

Jeff Tomhave is a Native American advocate and Juris Doctor who has dedicated his career to helping tribes secure infrastructure, healthcare access, and federal resources. Through the Tomhave Group, he works directly with tribal governments to develop strategy, secure funding, and navigate federal systems.

After more than two decades in Washington, DC, Jeff and his wife Brandy are relocating to North Dakota, where they plan to establish a community-based advocacy and training center aimed at building long-term tribal self-advocacy capacity.

To learn more: https://tomhavegroup.com

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✨ “Horsemanship is a physical meditation. The horse is a three-dimensional mirror.” – Richard Williams

From preserving rare classical manuscripts to exploring the emotional and civilizing power of horsemanship, Richard Williams — publisher of Xenophon Press — joins Rupert Isaacson for a deep dive into why the old masters still matter.

In this episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert and Richard trace the arc of classical equestrian knowledge from Xenophon through the Renaissance academies, La Guérinière, Steinbrecht, Baucher, and Nuno Oliveira — right up to the modern therapeutic and rehabilitative applications of classical riding.

Richard shares how he came to acquire Xenophon Press, why publishing these works is an act of stewardship rather than profit, and how editing and translating classical texts became a form of "time travel." The conversation moves from Renaissance schools that trained diplomats through horsemanship, to emotional regulation in the saddle, to the role horses may play in addiction recovery and mental health today.

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This is not simply a conversation about dressage. It is about humility, mastery, emotional regulation, leadership, and the civilizing influence of the horse.

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Richard’s journey into purchasing Xenophon Press and preserving classical texts ([00:03:00])
• How publishing classical works became a form of “time travel” across centuries ([00:06:00])
• Why Renaissance academies trained diplomats through horsemanship, fencing, and mathematics ([00:32:00])
• How stallions in the academies helped civilize young aristocrats ([00:35:00])
• The link between classical riding and emotional regulation ([00:49:00])
• Why breathing and “feel” anchor the rider in the present moment ([00:54:00])
• The four conditions of horsemanship: ignoring, opposing, yielding, harmonizing ([01:00:00])
• Why therapeutic riding is embodied practice — not a gimmick ([01:11:00])
• How classical training benefits the horse physically and mentally ([01:16:00])
• A recommended reading pathway through the classical canon ([01:18:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Rupert describing Xenophon Press as a modern Library of Alexandria ([00:01:30])
• Richard’s story of his brother being launched into a manure pile by a pony ([00:37:00])
• The insight that horses sort for emotional maturity ([00:39:00])
• Discussion of how leaders historically were judged by how they rode ([00:43:00])
• The idea that horsemanship teaches recovery from imbalance — not avoidance of it ([01:02:00])
• Riding as a practice of embodied mindfulness and humility ([00:50:00])
• Exploring the potential of horses in addiction recovery work ([01:15:00])

📚 Projects, Thinkers, and Ideas Mentioned:

• Xenophon
• Giovanni Battista Tomassini – The Italian Tradition of Equestrian Art
• François Robichon de La Guérinière – École de Cavalerie
• Gustav Steinbrecht – Gymnasium of the Horse
• François Baucher
• Nuno Oliveira
• Dom Diogo de Bragança – Dressage in the French Tradition
• Alois Podhajsky – The Complete Training of Horse and Rider
• Sally Swift – Centered Riding
• Renaissance Schools of Horsemanship in Naples

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In this expansive and deeply reflective episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson is joined by French writer, journalist, filmmaker, and activist Rejane D’Espirac for a wide‑ranging conversation on healing, presence, storytelling, plants, and what it means to live a life in service.

Rejane’s work sits at the crossroads of human rights, environmental activism, health, and inner transformation. From documenting the long‑term aftermath of the Bhopal industrial disaster in India, to exploring Ayurveda, yoga, infertility, and the healing power of attention, her life and career have been shaped by one central question: how do we truly care for one another in a damaged world?

Together, Rupert and Rejane explore the idea of being “upset by beauty” — not anger, but the kind of heartbreak that comes from seeing how precious life is, and how easily that magic is overlooked or harmed. They discuss relationship as medicine, presence as a healing force, plants as silent allies, and why service — rather than self‑actualization alone — is often the key to meaning.

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This episode weaves personal story, activism, philosophy, and nature into a conversation about attention, awe, responsibility, and hope.

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• What Rejane means by being “upset” — not with anger, but with love, beauty, and the pain of seeing life disrespected ([00:02:26]–[00:06:00])
• The long‑term human and environmental impact of the Bhopal industrial disaster, and why its consequences are still unfolding decades later ([00:08:44]–[00:11:00])
• How the Sambhavna free clinic in Bhopal uses Ayurveda, yoga, plants, and care to support survivors when Western medicine alone no longer works ([00:13:17]–[00:26:23])
• Why care, listening, and relationship account for a large part of healing — often more than techniques or medication ([00:31:25]–[00:37:21])
• Rejane’s personal journey through infertility, Ayurveda, and unexpected pregnancy — and what it revealed about quality versus quantity in healing ([00:47:11]–[00:57:06])
• How attention, presence, and being truly seen can unlock self‑healing processes in body and mind ([01:02:27]–[01:04:53])
• Why sadness, isolation, and disconnection are central challenges of modern life — and how service and relationship help counter them ([01:24:53]–[01:27:22])
• The quiet power of flowers, plants, and awe — and why beauty itself can be a political and healing force ([01:29:42]–[01:33:22])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Rejane explains how witnessing suffering without solutions led her from journalism into activism ([00:07:40]–[00:08:15])
• A detailed account of how the Sambhavna clinic was founded, and why detoxification, yoga, and plants became central tools ([00:21:02]–[00:25:55])
• Rupert reflects on care, attention, and yoga nidra as accessible forms of self‑healing ([00:40:31]–[00:42:16])
• Rejane shares how a simple question — “Why are you so sad?” — opened a profound healing journey ([00:49:49]–[01:03:10])
• A moving exchange on flowers as symbols of connection, resilience, and life’s quiet intelligence ([01:29:24]–[01:33:30])

📚 Books, Projects & Resources Mentioned:

• Sambhavna Clinic (Bhopal) & documentary “Sambhavna” https://sambhavnabhopal.org/
• At Last, a Baby – Rejane D’Espirac 
• The Discreet Power of Flowers – Rejane D’Espirac https://www.rejanedespirac.com/
• The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home & The Healing Land – Rupert Isaacson
• Movement Method – New Trails Learning Systems

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In this deeply moving and wide‑ranging episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson speaks with resilience coach, magician, and motivational speaker John Kippen about identity, illness, visibility, and what it truly takes to come out of hiding.

John shares his extraordinary personal story — from being diagnosed with a life‑threatening brain tumor in his early thirties, to waking from surgery with permanent facial paralysis that led him to withdraw from public life for more than a decade. What followed was not just physical recovery, but a long inner journey through shame, self‑judgment, and loss of identity.

Through magic, storytelling, and radical honesty, John ultimately found his way back into the world — discovering that the very thing he tried to hide could become his greatest point of connection. Today, he uses those lessons to help others step out of fear, reclaim their dreams, and see their differences as sources of strength.

This conversation explores illness, facial difference, vulnerability, creativity, neuroscience, coaching, dreaming, and the quiet power of presence. It is an episode about being seen — and about learning to see yourself with compassion.

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🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How a sudden medical crisis can fracture identity — and why facial difference uniquely impacts how we see ourselves and how others respond ([00:03:22]–[00:07:46])
• What it means to “go into hiding” emotionally and socially — and how shame keeps people invisible for years ([00:07:14]–[00:08:10])
• How magic became a tool for healing, presence, and connection rather than performance ([00:10:00]–[00:14:00])
• Why naming the story behind visible difference allows others to relax, connect, and truly see you ([00:12:22]–[00:13:40])
• How creativity and wonder help bypass fear and open new neurological pathways ([00:50:32]–[01:00:14])
• John’s “Tripod Method” for getting unstuck when fear and overwhelm take over ([00:40:32]–[00:43:19])
• Why many adults are living someone else’s dream — and how to reconnect with your own ([00:51:42]–[00:54:08])
• How coaching can help uncover limiting beliefs rooted in childhood experiences ([01:03:23]–[01:08:03])
• The role of joy, service, nature, and presence in sustaining a meaningful life ([01:16:32]–[01:19:34])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• John describes waking from brain surgery and realizing how deeply facial paralysis affected his sense of worth ([00:06:15]–[00:07:14])
• A powerful story from the Magic Castle where a single evening of magic helped a woman stop hiding after a mastectomy ([00:16:00]–[00:25:00])
• Rupert reflects on facial identity, vulnerability, and storytelling as a form of healing ([00:19:00]–[00:23:00])
• John explains how COVID mask mandates challenged — but did not undo — his healing around visibility ([00:29:50]–[00:31:26])
• A moving discussion on dreams, creativity, and why it’s never too late to begin again ([00:51:00]–[01:25:00])

📚 Books, Projects & Resources Mentioned:

• Playing the Hand You Were Dealt – John Kippen https://amzn.to/3YM8K0E
• John Kippen:  https://johnkippen.com 
• The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home & The Healing Land – Rupert Isaacson 
• Movement Method – New Trails Learning Systems

🌍 See All of Rupert’s Programs and Shows:

Website: https://rupertisaacson.com

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New Trails Learning Systems 
Website: https://ntls.co 
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Amanda shares the personal story behind her book How to Handle More Than You Can Handle, written from lived experience as the mother of Asher, a teenager with Prader‑Willi Syndrome. Together, Rupert and Amanda explore overwhelm, grief, resilience, humor, identity, marriage, community, and the long‑term realities of parenting children with disabilities.

The conversation moves fluidly between personal reflection and practical insight — from navigating cortisol burnout and therapy overload, to the importance of nature, play, humor, and following the child’s passions. This episode also looks ahead to adulthood, community living, relationships, and what it means to build sustainable structures for life beyond childhood.

✨ “You’re allowed to be more than just a caretaker.” – Amanda Atkins 
✨ “Joy isn’t optional. It’s how we survive.” – Rupert Isaacson

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🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why overwhelm and isolation are so common for parents of special‑needs children — and why talking honestly about it matters ([00:01:06])
• How grief, identity loss, and resilience intersect in parenting high‑needs children ([00:05:13])
• Amanda’s path from therapist‑in‑training to caregiver advocate — and why she focuses on parents, not prescriptions ([00:06:02])
• What Prader‑Willi Syndrome looks like in daily life, including food obsession, routine, and nervous‑system regulation ([00:03:11], [00:20:36])
• Why humor — especially toilet humor — can restore dignity, bonding, and regulation ([00:16:36])
• The neuroscience of cortisol overload, burnout, and why “doing less” can sometimes heal more ([01:07:45]–[01:11:21])
• How following a child’s passionate interests supports development, confidence, and joy ([01:13:29])
• Why community and informal support networks matter more than formal services alone ([00:55:06], [01:22:22])
• Navigating adolescence, friendships, dating, and independence for neurodivergent teens ([01:18:53]–[01:24:36])
• How parents can reclaim joy, meaning, and a sense of self beyond caregiving ([00:51:01], [01:33:48])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Amanda describes the emotional impact of being handed a diagnosis at 26 — and the pressure to be a “special‑needs warrior” ([00:04:00])
• A candid conversation about marriage, cortisol poisoning, and why most special‑needs couples burn out ([01:05:38]–[01:10:05])
• Asher’s first homecoming date — and how community quietly held the moment ([01:22:22])
• Rupert explains theory of mind through teasing — and why joking is a developmental milestone ([00:27:26])
• Amanda reads a powerful passage from her book on identity, meaning, and self‑compassion ([01:33:48])

📚 Books, Projects & Resources Mentioned:
Amanda Griffith Atkins: 
https://www.amandagriffithatkins.com/
https://www.instagram.com/amanda.griffith.atkins/

How to Handle More Than You Can Handle – Amanda Atkins: https://amzn.to/3LjgWSH
ning Systems

Camp Hill Communities (historical model for residential care)

Square Peg Foundation (California) https://squarepegfoundation.org

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Website: https://rupertisaacson.com

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New Trails Learning Systems 
Website: https://ntls.co 
Facebook: https://facebook.com/horseboyworld 
Instagram: https://instagram.com/horseboyworld 
YouTube: https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems

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Nearly twenty years after Rupert, his autistic son Rowan, and Tulga traveled together across Mongolia to meet shamans, reindeer herders, and the vast living intelligence of the steppe, the two sit down to reflect on what that journey set in motion — not only for Rowan and their families, but for Mongolia itself.

This conversation weaves together memory, history, spirituality, ecology, and lived experience. Tulga shares how a “city boy” became devoted to bringing people back into relationship with nature; how Mongolian kindness, patience, and forgiveness are forged through climate, culture, and Buddhism; and how shamanism survived Soviet suppression to remain a living healing practice today.

Together, Rupert and Tulga revisit moments never fully told before — ceremonies where electronics failed, spirits tested intentions, vodka multiplied mysteriously, and healing unfolded in its own time. They explore the difference between cure and healing, the role of nature in regulating the human nervous system, and how autism came to be understood and accepted in Mongolia following the Horse Boy book and film.

The episode closes with a powerful look forward: a possible 20‑year anniversary return to Mongolia — fathers and sons reunited — guided once again by the land, the spirits, and the people who made it all possible.

✨ “Healing isn’t about removing who someone is. It’s about relieving suffering so their gifts can emerge.” – Rupert Isaacson 
✨ “Nature teaches patience. The land itself makes people kinder.” – Tulga Otgonbaatar

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🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How Tulga’s path from English student to nomadic guide led him to found a life around nature and cultural preservation ([00:04:57])
• Why Mongolian culture carries deep kindness, patience, and forgiveness — and how climate and nomadic life shape the nervous system ([00:11:32])
• How Mongolia transformed from a warrior empire to a Buddhist, peace‑centered society in just a few generations ([00:15:54])
• How Mongolia’s ecosystem — people included — represents a living model of human‑nature balance ([00:33:00])
• The survival of shamanism through Soviet suppression — and why it remains effective today ([00:49:54])
• How autism became widely understood and accepted in Mongolia after the Horse Boy film aired nationally ([00:53:57])
• The difference between healing and cure in autism and trauma work ([01:04:03])
• Why patience, rhythm, and long journeys are essential parts of healing ([01:48:59])
• What Rowan’s life looks like today — independence, work, travel, and purpose ([01:52:00])
• Behind‑the‑scenes stories from the original Horse Boy journey never shared publicly before ([02:03:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Tulga recalls the moment Rowan made his very first friend — his son Tomo — during a shamanic ceremony ([00:56:00])
• Tulga explains the spirits of mountains, rivers, and land — and what happens when humans forget respect ([01:12:00])
• A non‑verbal autistic child speaks his first words — “Mom, I love you” — after a Mongolian journey ([01:33:15])
• Rupert reflects on why people with autism often carry profound emotional intelligence and healing presence ([01:59:00])
• The ceremony where filming equipment mysteriously shut down — exactly as foretold ([02:03:31])
• A Mongolian shaman tests Tulga with a bottle of vodka that refuses to run out ([02:12:00])

📚 Books, Projects & Traditions Mentioned:

The Horse Boy – book & documentary: https://ntls.co/books

Mongolian shamanism & reindeer‑herder healing traditions

Movement Method & Horse Boy Method: https://ntls.co

Nomadic Trails (Mongolia): https://nomadictrails.com/

Takhin – the revered Mongolian wild horse

🌍 See All of Rupert’s Programs and Shows:

Website: https://rupertisaacson.com

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New Trails Learning Systems
Website: https://ntls.co
Facebook: https://facebook.com/horseboyworld
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From his first summer at Camp Smile at age 12—changing diapers, pushing wheelchairs, and learning forgiveness from the people he was supposed to be "helping"—to running Ali’s School of Equestrian Arts and the touring troupe Equestrian Chaos, Jason has spent his life saying yes to hard things. Along the way he walked through Southern Baptist culture, Jehovah’s Witness ministry, corporate retail, massage therapy school, and a Dolly Parton equestrian dinner show… before hitching his future to a pregnant trick rider, two horses, and $1300 in a Honda Element.

In this episode, Jason and Rupert explore how mentorship, community, and rhythm (both equine and human) can change a life; why therapeutic riding often gets the economics and excitement wrong; and how a tiny backyard fundraiser became one of the most badass horse shows in the U.S.—all while centering neurodivergent and disabled riders.

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🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• What Jason learned about gratitude, privilege, and perspective from disabled adults in diapers and wheelchairs ([00:03:00])
• Jason’s journey through Southern Baptist culture and Jehovah’s Witness ministry—and why he ultimately walked away from organized religion ([00:04:00])
• How Camp Smile and a brave youth pastor pulled 12‑year‑old Jason into the world of special needs ([00:04:18])
• Why teen volunteers are a “sweet spot” for mentorship—and how the right community can change a kid’s entire trajectory ([00:06:33])
• How neurodivergent campers taught him forgiveness, intention, and how to really see the person behind the behavior ([00:08:46])
• How leaving the corporate retail world led him toward hands‑on work, massage therapy, and back into direct service ([00:32:04])
• The love story: meeting Sise at Dolly Parton’s equestrian dinner show, an unexpected pregnancy, and starting over in Alabama with two horses and $1300 ([00:36:15])
• How Ali’s School of Equestrian Arts began at Camp Smile—and what Jason and Sise had to learn the hard way about the economics of therapeutic riding ([00:40:00])
• Jason’s 3‑part formula for getting unstuck: find purpose, seek mentors, and stop rehearsing your problems on loop ([00:43:30])
• Why Equestrian Chaos was born as a backyard fundraiser—and how COVID nearly killed the program before the show saved everything ([00:53:22])
• Why boredom is dangerous for both horses and riders—and how performance goals keep everyone mentally alive ([00:59:35])
• How they safely integrate autistic and brain‑injured riders into high‑level circus acts (including standing on galloping horses) through tiny steps, rhythm, and obsession‑based motivation ([01:05:37])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Rupert’s provocative question about the Southern Baptist Church and slavery—and Jason’s honest answer about separating individuals from institutions. ([00:04:00])
• Jason’s first day at Camp Smile: a 12‑year‑old kid, a 49‑year‑old nonverbal camper, a restless lunch line—and the realization that “most of us don’t really have problems.” ([00:05:37])
• The autistic boy who ended up standing in full Hippodrome position on a running horse after months of micro‑steps (and hot Cheetos). ([00:05:37])
• Learning forgiveness from the special needs community: “You get a second chance without a slap in the face—because the relationship matters more than the mistake.” ([00:08:46])
• Jason knocking on doors as a young Jehovah’s Witness, learning public speaking and resilience from the world’s hardest audience. ([00:27:27])
• Selling everything, loading two horses into a $900 trailer, and driving home with Sise and $1300 to start a new life in Mobile. ([00:36:15])
• Realizing they were losing money running camp programs with 15–20 horses and 100 riders a week for $3000—"our budgeting was make‑believe in the real world." ([00:40:00])
• Jason’s closing counsel on spirituality and purpose: find a purpose, talk to people who’ve found theirs, and stop replaying the same painful story in your head. ([00:43:30])
• COVID hits: programs shut down, savings run out, and Equestrian Chaos (the show) becomes the only way to keep the herd—and the mission—alive. ([00:53:22])
• A 70‑year‑old woman in tears at the rail: “You just put my 70‑year dream on display. I was the first woman to compete in mounted archery when they didn’t want us to ride.” ([01:06:39])

📚 Books and Projects Mentioned:

• Equestrian Chaos – touring equestrian circus & mounted archery show 
• Celisse’s School of Equestrian Arts – therapeutic riding & performance‑based horsemanship 
• Camp Smile – the special needs summer camp where it all began 
• New Trails Learning Systems – Movement Method & Horse Boy Method 
• Helios Harmony – classical dressage training in the style of the old masters Website: https://equestrianchaos.com

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Website: https://rupertisaacson.com

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New Trails Learning
Website: https://ntls.co
Facebook: https://facebook.com/horseboyworld
Instagram: https://instagram.com/horseboyworld
YouTube: https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems

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✨ “Movement and nature help us return to ourselves when the world feels too loud.” – Dr. Kate Lund

What does resilience really look like when life pulls the rug out from under you—again and again? Clinical psychologist, author, and resilience expert Dr. Kate Lund joins Rupert Isaacson for an intimate and powerful conversation about childhood illness, brain surgery, parenting, pressure, movement, nature, and how we find our way back to possibility.

Diagnosed with hydrocephalus at age four, Kate spent much of her childhood in and out of hospitals—big surgeries, big fears, and big recoveries. Yet she grew into someone who not only rebuilt her life, but teaches others how to reclaim theirs. Today, she specializes in resilient parenting, stress regulation, and helping families thrive inside their own unique context.

In this episode, Rupert and Kate explore how movement (from walking to tennis to long‑distance cycling), intentional rest, nature, visualization, and even animal‑assisted therapy shape our emotional survival. They break down why slowing down is often the hardest thing for parents, why we forget what joy feels like, and why resilience is less about bouncing back and more about building forward—one small step at a time.

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How childhood illness shaped Kate’s lifelong understanding of resilience ([00:04:00])
• What hydrocephalus is—and how shunts, surgeries, and uncertainty affect a child’s identity ([00:06:00])
• The role of movement (tennis, walking, cycling) in recovering brain function and emotional balance ([00:23:00])
• Why parents must learn to regulate their own stress before they can help their children ([00:31:00])
• How the “Relaxation Response” technique works (and why it’s simpler than mindfulness) ([00:34:00])
• Using visualization and nature—real or imagined—to calm the nervous system ([00:50:00])
• The surprising power of animal‑assisted therapy (and Wally the therapy dog) ([00:53:00])
• Why slowing down is the #1 barrier to resilience—and how to begin ([01:14:00])
• How parents with different approaches can communicate and find middle ground ([01:16:00])
• Small daily practices to build a resilient life (movement, joy, reflection) ([01:26:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• “I wasn’t the carefree child—I was always calculating risk. But I could still find what I could do.” ([00:11:00])
• Kate walking the circular driveway over and over while recovering from brain surgery—movement as survival. ([00:29:00])
• Rupert trying the Relaxation Response in real time—with the word “horses.” ([00:36:00])
• “Animals always show up. They teach us how to show up too.” ([00:59:00])
• The child in the hospital hallway who walked for the first time in weeks—just to reach Wally the therapy dog. ([00:55:00])
• When crisis hits: why sometimes the bravest act is simply allowing yourself to stop.” ([01:06:00])
• “We can get so used to living in suboptimal states that we forget there’s more available.” ([01:15:00])
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📚 Books and Projects Mentioned:

Step Away: The Keys to Resilient Parenting – Dr. Kate Lund

The Relaxation Response – Herbert Benson (background method referenced)

The Optimized Mind Podcast – Hosted by Dr. Kate Lund

Website: https://katelundspeaks.com

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Website: https://rupertisaacson.com

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New Trails Learning Systems:
Website: https://ntls.co
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✨ “We are more weather pattern than stone monument.” – Jarod Anderson

✨ “If you reach for wonder and come at it as a student, you’ll find it reaching back.” – Jarod Anderson

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How imagination and storytelling can help heal depression ([00:02:00])
• Reconnecting with nature after burnout and shame ([00:10:00])
• The origin story of The CryptoNaturalist podcast ([00:13:00])
• How cryptids mirror the human psyche and our need for balance ([00:16:00])
• The mythic guardians of Earth: from the Orbital Kingfisher to the Horned Wolf ([00:17:00])
• Finding healing through writing and mental health openness ([00:28:00])
• What inspired Something in the Woods Loves You ([00:29:00])
• Touching the Hickory Tree: how presence dissolves shame ([00:35:00])
• Lessons from the raccoon and the power of unpretty survival ([01:06:00])
• Shame, nature, and the cyclical nature of healing ([01:10:00])
• The role of stories, context, and compassion in healing ([01:27:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• A teacher reading Mary Oliver poetry to 10-year-old Jarod in the woods ([00:02:00])
• The kitchen accident that led to rediscovering creativity through nature ([00:10:30])
• Creating The CryptoNaturalist: “a love letter to nature where everything is invented” ([00:14:00])
• The metaphor of depression as brain weather—no shame, just different skies ([00:45:00])
• The raccoon as a teacher of stubbornness and survival ([01:06:00])
• “Who says survival has to be pretty?” ([01:07:00])
• A squirrel revived by touch and returned to the grass—context as healing ([01:25:00])
• “If you reach for wonder and come at it as a student, you’ll find it reaching back.” ([01:51:00])

📚 Books and Projects Mentioned:

•  Jarod Anderson 
  • Something in the Woods Loves You (Timber Press) https://amzn.to/443Uao1 –
  • Strange Animals (Ballantine Books, Feb 2025) https://amzn.to/47znvsL –
  • Haunted Forest Trilogy (3 books) https://amzn.to/3Lwah7C 
  • The CryptoNaturalist Podcast –  https://www.cryptonaturalist.com/  
  • https://www.jarodkanderson.com
  • https://www.facebook.com/Cryptonaturalist/ 
  • https://www.instagram.com/cryptonaturalist/ 

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From facing a devastating prenatal diagnosis to creating one of Germany’s first Green Care Farms, Henrich shares how his son’s birth with spina bifida transformed his family’s life—igniting a mission to integrate nature, farming, and inclusion into education and policy.

A lifelong advocate for children’s rights and special education, Henrich speaks about building community (“the tribe comes to you”), turning crisis into growth, and working with government leaders to make nature-based learning and therapy part of the public system.

✨ “We can do more with our human power than we ever think.” – Henrich Berkhoff
✨ “If you follow your feeling, you stay outside.” – Henrich Berkhoff

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How Henrich’s son’s diagnosis reshaped his life and purpose ([00:08:00])
• The choice between termination and life—and what love decided ([00:10:00])
• How crisis builds community: “the tribe comes to you” ([00:24:00])
• Turning disability into advocacy for inclusive schools ([00:31:00])
• Why farming taught him political courage ([00:41:00])
• How ancient instincts meet modern overload ([00:48:00])
• Rewilding and the role of agriculture in healing ([01:00:00])
• How Green Care Farms connect nature, therapy, and education ([01:03:00])
• Why nature is medicine for the mind ([01:11:00])
• Gratitude to the special-needs children who teach us meaning ([01:37:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• [00:01:00] Henrich appears from the forest, explaining why he always feels at home in nature.
• [00:08:00] The moment he and his wife learn their unborn son has spina bifida.
• [00:10:55] Choosing life despite medical advice to terminate.
• [00:23:50] How community formed around their decision.
• [00:31:10] Creating the first inclusive local school for children with disabilities.
• [00:41:00] Why being a farmer trains you to be an advocate.
• [00:46:00] How hunting sharpened his sense of responsibility and balance with nature.
• [01:03:00] Founding the Green Care Farm and discovering science behind happiness in nature.
• [01:20:00] Reframing education: movement = learning.
• [01:37:20] “Disabled people give us the answers to our questions.”

📚 Projects, Programs & People Mentioned:

• Henrich Berkhoff – Farmer, politician, and founder of the Child Protection Association (Münster region, Germany) https://greencarefarm.de
• Gitti Berkhoff – Nurse, equine-therapist, and co-founder of the Green Care Farm - Podcast on Equine Assisted World with Rupert: https://equineassistedworld.com 
• Julian Berkhoff – Their son, born with spina bifida and hydrocephalus
• Movement Method and Horse Boy Method – Developed by Rupert Isaacson & NTLS
• Green Care Farm – Integrating therapy, inclusion, and sustainable farming https://greencarefarm.de
• David Doyle – Irish autism advocate and movement-in-nature pioneer
• CDU (Christian Democratic Union) – German political party
• Technical University of Munich (TUM) – Research on learning through movement
• Concepts: Rewilding | Inclusion | Nature as Medicine | Education Reform | Community Healing

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Website: https://rupertisaacson.com

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New Trails Learning Systems:
Website: https://ntls.co
Facebook: https://facebook.com/horseboyworld
Instagram: https://instagram.com/horseboyworld
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📚 Books & Resources:

• Rupert Isaacson – The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land: https://longridehome.com/books
• Henrich & Gitti Berkhoff – Green Care Farm Germany
• NTLS Programs – Movement Method | Horse Boy Method | Takhin Equine Integration

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✨ “Science is asking questions of nature and listening to the answers.” – Jo Marchant
✨ “If you are not curious, you are shrinking and dying.” – Jo Marchant

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How Jo’s background in microbiology led to science writing ([00:02:45])
• What the placebo effect teaches about mind-body connection ([00:10:40])
• How empathy and belief influence healing ([00:16:22])
• Insights from Cure and the science of care ([00:21:05])
• Why humanity lost its connection to the sky (The Human Cosmos) ([00:37:10])
• How awe functions as a biological and healing state ([00:47:18])
• Exploring time and consciousness in In Search of Now ([01:03:09])
• How presence and attention shape perception ([01:09:55])
• Reflections on AI, creativity, and what defines being human ([01:42:50])
• Closing thoughts on curiosity, humility, and wonder ([02:18:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• [00:00:00] Rupert introduces Jo and sets the tone for exploring science and wonder.
• [00:02:45] Jo shares how her PhD path evolved into science writing.
• [00:10:40] The placebo effect and its implications for healing.
• [00:21:05] How storytelling reveals science’s human dimension.
• [00:37:10] Rediscovering ancient wisdom through The Human Cosmos.
• [00:47:18] Awe and wonder as measurable biological phenomena.
• [01:03:09] Searching for presence and time in In Search of Now.
• [01:17:31] Where science meets spirituality and meaning.
• [01:42:50] Jo reflects on AI, creativity, and human identity.
• [02:18:00] Final reflections on curiosity, love, and the science of wonder.

📚 Projects, Writings & Ideas Mentioned:

• Dr. Jo Marchant, PhD – Science journalist and author
• Cure: A Journey into the Science of Mind Over Body https://amzn.to/3WrtVUm
• The Human Cosmos: Civilization and the Stars  https://amzn.to/4nBeXHf
• In Search of Now (2025 release)
• Decoding the Heavens: A 2,000-Year-Old Computer -- and the Century-Long Search to Discover Its Secret https://amzn.to/437Y3YB
• Podcast: Where the Wild Thoughts Are
• Website: https://jomarchant.com
• Researchers mentioned: Dr. Ted Kaptchuk (Harvard), Manfred Schedlowski, Dan Moerman
• Concepts discussed: The placebo effect, awe, consciousness, free will, time perception, quantum perspectives

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• Website: https://rupertisaacson.com

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• Instagram: https://instagram.com/longridehome_lrh
• YouTube: https://youtube.com/@longridehome

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• Website: https://ntls.co
• Facebook: https://facebook.com/horseboyworld
• Instagram: https://instagram.com/horseboyworld
• YouTube: https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems

📚 Books & Resources:

• Rupert Isaacson – The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land: https://longridehome.com/books
• Jo Marchant – Cure, The Human Cosmos, In Search of Now

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✨ “In learning how to spell, I set high on a cloud.” – Lina Hjalmarsson-Lyons

✨ “I see autism as the most profound inspiration that has ever existed. It is also the most profound challenge.” – Lina Hjalmarsson

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How Lina moved from nonverbal to verbal communication through a letter board ([00:05:00])
• Why autism can be both profound inspiration and profound challenge ([00:29:30])
• Insights from Lina’s original poetry on love, suffering, and joy ([00:20:00])
• How Helena and Lina navigate mycoplasma, OCD, and anxiety ([00:46:00])
• Why expressing raw emotions can bring healing and resilience ([00:40:00])
• What autistic voices can teach neurotypical people about universal love ([00:35:00])
• Lina’s vision for compassionate leadership in her presidential essay ([00:58:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Rupert introduces the episode and its unprecedented nature ([00:00:00])
• Lina shares her purpose: to spread love on this planet ([00:13:00])
• Helena reads Lina’s poem A Love Meaning to Burst ([00:20:00])
• Lina’s untitled poem about holding herself out of a hole ([00:22:00])
• Lina’s poems Incisions and Soaring on suffering and transformation ([00:27:00])
• Helena discusses mycoplasma, Lyme, and OCD in autism ([00:46:00])
• Lina’s presidential essay: why compassion should guide America ([00:58:00])
• Closing reflections – the need for autistic mentorship ([01:00:00])

📚 Projects, Writings, and Ideas Mentioned:

• Lina Hjalmarsson-Lyons – Poet, student, and autism advocate
• Helena Hjalmarsson – Autism parent and advocate
• Dr. Temple Grandin – Autism pioneer and mentor
• Mary Coyle – Homeotoxicologist
• Dr. Engles – Naturopath specializing in autism and Lyme disease

🌍 See All of Rupert’s Programs and Shows:

• Website: https://rupertisaacson.com

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New Trails Learning Systems:

• Website: https://ntls.co
• Facebook: https://facebook.com/horseboyworld
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• YouTube: https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems

📚 Books & Resources:

• Rupert Isaacson – The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land: https://longridehome.com/books

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Beverley shares how her early activism during the Vietnam War led her into medicine, what she learned working in preventive health and AI at Apple and WebMD, and why a kitchen accident opened the door to horses, play, and somatic healing. Today she teaches Qigong with horses at Stanford, guiding students and professionals into deeper connection, stress relief, and self-regulation through equanimity.

✨ “Quantum physics is the physics of love and entanglement is about connection.” – Dr. Beverley Kane

✨ “When I found therapeutic riding, for the first time it was just playful to be on horses.” – Dr. Beverley Kane

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Hitchhiking to California with $35 and starting anew ([00:01:00])
• Dropping out of Columbia, activism, and rediscovering medicine ([00:03:00])
• Medical training at UCSF and mentorship from Nobel Prize winner Michael Bishop ([00:05:00])
• Practicing medicine in Alaska and discovering sports medicine ([00:07:00])
• Stanford preventive medicine research and corporate health at Apple ([00:12:00])
• Stories from Apple’s Great American Smokeout and early AI projects ([00:16:00])
• Moving into WebMD and the rise (and bust) of Silicon Valley dot-com culture ([00:21:00])
• Discovering horses at age 52 after an accident and entering therapeutic riding ([00:27:00])
• Finding joy and play with horses through therapeutic riding ([00:34:00])
• Bringing Medicine & Horsemanship programs to Stanford ([00:43:00])
• Teaching Qigong with horses and the Equanimity program ([00:50:00])
• Quantum physics, parapsychology, and the science of consciousness ([01:10:00])
• Why entanglement points toward love, connection, and healing ([01:42:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Getting sick upon arriving in Berkeley and repaying kindness at the Free Clinic ([00:02:00])
• Lessons from Nobel Prize winner Michael Bishop on scientific breakthroughs ([00:09:00])
• Transitioning from sports medicine to preventive health research at Stanford ([00:12:00])
• A story of helping an Apple employee quit smoking to transition safely ([00:16:00])
• The kitchen accident that shifted her horsemanship to play and healing ([00:31:00])
• Dreaming of red mustangs in the desert and discovering equine-assisted learning ([00:40:00])
• Establishing equine-assisted electives for Stanford medical students ([00:47:00])
• Teaching Qigong forms with horses for stress reduction and emotional release ([00:56:00])
• Exploring quantum entanglement, ESP, and the philosophy of science ([01:26:00])
• Calling quantum physics “the physics of love” ([01:42:00])

📚 Projects, Thinkers, and Ideas Mentioned:
Dr. Beverley Kane – Equine-imity: Stress Reduction and Emotional Self-Regulation in the Company of Horses https://amzn.to/4nqsAJ9

The Manual of Medicine and Horsemanship - https://amzn.to/4nq2ENK

• Dr. Beverley Kane – Adjunct Clinical Professor at Stanford, author of Equanimity and manuals on Medicine & Horsemanship
• Michael Bishop – Nobel Prize-winning biochemist
• Barbara Rector – Equine-assisted learning pioneer
• Alan Hamilton – Neurosurgeon and founder of Medicine & Horsemanship
• Quantum physicist Amit Goswami – The Self-Aware Universe
• Rupert Sheldrake – Theories of morphic resonance
• Russell Targ & Hal Puthoff – Parapsychology and remote viewing research

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Paul shares how being bullied as a child forged his fighter’s spirit, how rugby and the Navy honed his leadership, and why fear should never be allowed to rule your life. From building successful businesses—including skydiving operations and escape rooms—to exploring how community can heal a generation lost in gaming, Paul offers raw insights into courage, discipline, and finding purpose.

✨ “Fear is something you build up inside you. Push it aside—and deal with life.” – Paul Illingworth

✨ “It always comes back to tribe. Whatever your tribe is, find it and commit to it.” – Paul Illingworth

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How a childhood accident and bullying sparked resilience ([00:07:00])
• The lessons rugby taught about teamwork, leadership, and belonging ([00:19:00])
• Joining the Merchant Navy and confronting storms at sea ([00:29:00])
• Why fear must be faced head-on rather than avoided ([00:47:00])
• The leap from oil rigs to aviation and skydiving ([00:58:00])
• Lessons from flight school and pushing limits in the air ([01:00:00])
• Navigating life-and-death moments and mastering discipline ([01:06:00])
• The importance of camaraderie in high-risk environments ([01:10:00])
• Building a successful skydiving business from scratch ([01:20:00])
• Creating escape rooms as a new form of entrepreneurship ([01:41:00])
• Why gaming culture points to a deeper hunger for tribe ([01:45:00])
• Fatherhood, resilience, and passing strength to the next generation ([01:50:00])
• Why tribe and community remain central to a fulfilling life ([01:53:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Paul describes being bullied and deciding to fight back ([00:07:00])
• Discovering rugby as a space for belonging and leadership ([00:19:00])
• Facing storms during Merchant Navy service ([00:29:00])
• Learning to control fear through discipline ([00:47:00])
• Stories of flying and skydiving adventures ([00:58:00])
• Building and selling businesses, from skydiving to escape rooms ([01:20:00])
• Reflections on tribe, community, and resilience ([01:50:00])

📚 Projects, Thinkers, and Ideas Mentioned:

• Paul Illingworth – Entrepreneur, Navy veteran, business innovator (skydiving, escape rooms, aviation)
• Rupert Isaacson – The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land
  https://longridehome.com/books

🌍 See All of Rupert’s Programs and Shows:
Website: https://rupertisaacson.com

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Long Ride Home:
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New Trails Learning Systems:
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Facebook: https://facebook.com/horseboyworld
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YouTube: https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems

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🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• How a childhood nervous breakdown led Rupert to horses and nature ([00:11:00])
• Lessons from growing up between multiple cultures and identities ([00:05:00])
• The entrepreneurial path to buying his first horse at age 14 ([00:13:00])
• Adventures and dangers as a young journalist in Africa and North America ([00:34:00])
• The role of indigenous wisdom in Rupert’s life and work ([00:56:00])
• Behind-the-scenes of the Bushman land claims in South Africa and Botswana ([01:00:00])
• How his son’s autism diagnosis reshaped his mission and methods ([01:36:00])
• The creation of Horse Boy Method, Movement Method, and Takhin Equine Integration ([01:39:00])
• Why service is the key to sustaining your dreams ([01:46:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Meeting legendary wolf expert Rick McIntyre in Yellowstone and conceiving the Live Free Ride Free podcast ([00:02:00])
• Training an unmanageable ex-racehorse and discovering his calling ([00:14:00])
• Hitchhiking into the Kalahari and first encounters with Bushman healers ([00:57:00])
• Witnessing the unexpected twist that won Botswana’s largest land claim ([01:30:00])
• The life-changing advice from Dr. Temple Grandin on helping his autistic son ([01:34:00])
• The reindeer healer in Siberia who transformed Rowan’s progress ([01:42:00])

📚 Projects, Thinkers, and Ideas Mentioned:

• Rupert Isaacson – The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land https://longridehome.com/books
• Horse Boy Method, Movement Method, Takhin Equine Integration https://ntls.co
• Long Ride Home - Horse Training: https://longridehome.com

🌍 See All of Rupert’s Programs and Shows: Website: https://rupertisaacson.com

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✨ “You don’t change your life in one journey. The transformation is forever.” – Ralf Daab

✨ “What if the Sultan was God, the Universe…and You?” – Ralf Daab

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why Ralf left the fast-paced world of international publishing for inner healing and mindfulness ([00:13:00])
• The unexpected impact of channeling, spiritual entrepreneurship, and synchronicity ([00:27:00], [01:04:00])
• Why ancient Persia and a mystical Sultan guided Ralf toward his creative mission ([00:36:00])
• How a recurring dream of a plane crash resolved through psychedelic insight ([00:55:00])
• What dying at age 96 on a beach in France taught him about living fully now ([00:59:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Ralf and Rupert meet during a chance encounter while picking up horse poo in Germany ([00:03:00])
• Ralf’s first journey: flying with birds and experiencing Earth from space ([00:30:00])
• The Sultan appears again and says, “I am God, the Universe… and You.” ([00:39:00])
• Channeling guidance in early morning states, leading to unexpected new business ventures ([01:04:00])
• Ralf dancing on a beach in France after accepting death and realizing he was 16 again ([01:01:00])

📚 Projects, Thinkers, and Ideas Mentioned:

• Ralf Daab – High on Living publishing house and his book: Da Bist Ja Wieder: 32 Episoden (Self-published) https://amzn.to/3IM031z
• Rupert Isaacson – The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land https://longridehome.com/books

🌍 See All of Rupert’s Programs and Shows:
Website: https://rupertisaacson.com

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✨ “You feel the beating heart of the intertidal in your own beating heart.” – Craig Foster

✨ “Noticing is the beginning of healing.” – George Bumann

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why extreme biodiversity supercharges physical vitality and mental clarity ([00:04:00])
• How conflict dissolves when we're in kinship with more-than-human communities ([00:19:00])
• Why tracking—animals, people, and ourselves—is the original language of connection ([00:33:00])
• What George learned about group dynamics and animal behavior from Yellowstone’s wolves and ravens ([00:45:00])
• How sculpting, storytelling, and species documentation help heal our cultural broken-heartedness ([00:58:00])
• What happens to human consciousness when we spend uninterrupted time in nature ([01:06:00])
• Why snails, magpies, ravens, and city foxes may be more important than elephants and whales ([01:17:00])
• The myth of separation: how the illusion of “self vs. nature” feeds personal suffering ([01:30:00])
• How ego functions in wild systems vs. modern society—and how culture can recalibrate it ([01:39:00])
• How George and Craig help people rewild through art, archives, biodiversity, and beauty ([01:53:00])
• The final invitation: how noticing becomes a daily ritual of reconnection and joy ([02:03:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Craig’s experience of pure vitality on a pristine research island—surrounded by mantas, sharks, and rays ([00:02:00])
• George’s intimate vocal impressions of coyotes, wolves, and elk—including one he heard that morning ([00:07:00], [01:13:00])
• What snails in beer bottles near Miami taught Craig about resilience and belonging ([02:06:00])
• The concept of Mother Nature as the ultimate shareholder of all human endeavors ([00:29:00])
• What happens when children in urban schools are given cameras—and how their perception shifts over days ([00:18:00])
• George’s ravens at the dump: what “vermin” reveal about the power of noticing ([02:09:00])
• Craig’s octopus friend who walks bipedally and eats sharks—and lets Craig film her doing it ([02:22:00])

📚 Projects, Thinkers, and Ideas Mentioned:

Craig Foster – My Octopus Teacher, Sea Change Project (https://seachangeproject.com)

1001 Sea Forest Species Project

George Bumann – Wildlife sculptor, educator, and naturalist (https://georgebumann.com)

David Graeber – The Dawn of Everything https://amzn.to/464fE6e

Bates Method – Natural eyesight restoration https://amzn.to/4kFMqhF

Dr. Chantel Prat – The Neuroscience of You https://amzn.to/3TFhPWs

Rupert Isaacson – The Horse Boy, The Long Ride Home, The Healing Land https://longridehome.com/books-ru/ 

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✨ “Maybe the vocation of a mountain is just to be a mountain.” – Ben Conner

✨ "Jesus in the wilderness was being re-nurtured by creation itself." – Ben Conner

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why many American evangelicals misunderstand the concept of "dominion" in Genesis ([00:07:00])
• The roots of Christianity’s alienation from nature: Enlightenment rationalism, individualism, and soul-saving escapism ([00:14:00])
• How children (especially neurodivergent ones) teach us to see God through curiosity and wonder ([00:48:00])
• Practical steps to re-integrate theology, land, and disability in ministry and daily life ([00:52:00])
• The theology of kinship: how mountains, rivers, horses, and people are all called into vocation ([01:07:00])
• The idea that Christianity is often more about identity and power than faith in Christ himself ([01:15:00])
• Rupert's comparison of CS Lewis and Tolkien as hidden eco-theologians ([01:26:00])
• Creating church outside: the rise of Wild Church and Refugia communities ([01:30:00])
• Ben's story of his son recovering from brain trauma and becoming his teacher in theology ([01:36:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Why many American evangelicals misunderstand dominion and where that theology came from ([00:07:00])
• The Enlightenment-era origins of individualistic Christianity in the U.S. ([00:14:00])
• "You aren't seeing the rabbit anymore. You're seeing yourself and the schemes and appetites you bring to the world." – Matthew Scully, quoted by Ben ([00:35:00])
• Why start theology with children and people with disabilities ([00:48:00])
• Horses have vocations too: understanding agency, refusal, and partnership ([01:06:00])
• How Ben's son, initially disabled, became a theological teacher ([01:36:00])

📚 Books, Thinkers, and Movements Mentioned:

• Thomas Berry – *The Sacred Universe *https://amzn.to/4ltj1rJ
• David Clough – *Creaturely Theology *https://amzn.to/4kbRslF
• Victoria Loorz – Church of the Wild (and the Wild Church Network) https://amzn.to/4lx1Gyd
• Matthew Scully – *Dominion *https://amzn.to/4erqXr2
• Randy Woodley – Harmony Way & Indigenous Christianity https://amzn.to/4lv6Uuc
• Patty Krawec – *Becoming Kin *https://amzn.to/3TPCjvy
• Four Arrows – *Restoring the Kinship Worldview *https://amzn.to/4kazIXT
• Deb Rienstra – *Refugia Faith https://amzn.to/4khixUO *
• A Rocha USA (https://arocha.org)

🛍️ Contact Ben Conner:

• Center for Disability and Ministry: https://westernsem.edu/center-for-disability-and-ministry
• Faculty Page: https://www.westernsem.edu/faculty/conner/
• Podcast: Disabling the Church

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Artist, philosopher, and occult scholar Dr. Justin Sledge joins Rupert Isaacson to illuminate a forgotten dimension of Western thought. With over 870,000 YouTube followers on his channel Esoterica, Dr. Sledge has built a global audience passionate about the academic study of magic, mysticism, and esotericism. In this fast-moving and rigorously researched conversation, Justin pulls back the curtain on the mystical roots of rationalism, the dream logic behind Descartes, and how occult traditions shaped the very sciences that claim to have left them behind.

Why should we care? Because the stories we’re told about history shape the world we live in now—and as it turns out, much of what we consider to be modern, empirical, or secular is deeply rooted in visions, divine languages, and hermetic transmissions.

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Why Descartes founded modern philosophy after a mystical dream ([00:14:58])
• How John Dee “downloaded” an angelic language and changed history ([00:11:15])
• What Judaism really says about the afterlife—and how it’s changed over time ([01:44:00])
• Why ancient aliens and Atlantis myths persist despite zero evidence ([01:02:29])
• The origins of Western esotericism and how they shaped Newton, Leibniz, and Spinoza ([00:13:00])
• Why witch trials targeted women, but occultist men survived with status ([00:50:00])
• How occult philosophies were hidden in plain sight in Enlightenment thinking ([01:10:00])
• What Gobekli Tepe, Egyptian afterlife myths, and Enochian grammar have in common ([01:22:00])
• The mystical tension between religious tradition and rational skepticism ([01:33:00])
• How Justin grew a massive global audience for deep esoteric study on YouTube ([02:00:10])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• "If you wake up in heaven, you should be angry. That’s hell." ([01:36:01])
• Justin describes reading 16th-century Latin texts as a teenager ([00:11:15])
• Rupert confronts academia’s discomfort with magic’s role in rationalism ([00:20:00])
• Justin explains why he believes religion creates meaning—not literal truths ([00:27:00])
• A conversation about Yahweh’s evolution from tribal god to sole deity ([00:40:00])
• Justin's take on Gobekli Tepe and why its burial is stranger than its building ([01:22:00])
• How Judaism splits the afterlife timeline: Sheol, Heaven, Reincarnation ([01:44:00])
• "The past isn’t dead. It’s not even past." – William Faulkner quoted ([02:14:00])

📚 Books, Films, Causes & Contact:

Dr. Justin Sledge: YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@TheEsotericaChannel
Website: https://www.justinsledge.com/
Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/esotericachannel
Rare Bookstore: https://www.esotericaoccultbooks.com/
Study Guide: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1caKNlW7sogEF7lAeYNbOQF9pt5O5b70yAXa-icUJO3o/

Related Episodes: Craig Foster – My Octopus Teacher & Amphibious Soul: https://youtu.be/X1-tZ_XhvUo
Emelie Cajsdotter – Talking to Forest Spirits: https://youtu.be/YOUR-LINK-HERE
Warwick Schiller – Journey On Podcast: https://youtu.be/sTeXpmGc8Ls

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🎧 Browse Our Playlists: Live Free Ride Free: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUcRPFFblvSlyVsZX682F63uQ5WpiZNfu
Equine Assisted World: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8f9kQxaWe5Fv25usp3pXM9rLZR2VyUYz

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🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• The forgotten role of imagination in restoring landscapes (Starts at [00:03:00])
• How regenerative grazing works and why it's not “just moving cows” (Starts at [00:12:36])
• A real-world experiment: 40 years of non-grazed land on Dartmoor (Starts at [00:31:16])
• The critical role of beavers and why they’re returning to the UK (Starts at [00:47:00])
• Why reintroducing wolves might be inevitable — and good for everyone (Starts at [01:13:00])
• How art can spark environmental change and communicate complexity (Starts at [01:27:00])

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• How she revived her artistic self after years of working for others ([00:02:00])
• Nick describes the joy of animals grazing fresh pasture every day — "It's pristine every single day" ([00:12:36])
• Rupert and Nick debate whether Britain is still a forest landscape or not ([00:19:25])
• What a bramble patch teaches us about songbirds and tree nurseries ([00:32:00])
• The haunting power of glow worms and how they reflect land recovery ([01:45:00])

📚 Books, Films, Causes & Contact:

Websites:

• Nick Viney Art & Projects: https://nickviney.co.uk
• Glamping & Land Connection: https://rewildingfutures.co.uk
• Beaver Watching & Rewilding Coombeshead: https://rewildingcoombeshead.co.uk

Other Rewilders Mentioned:

• Róisín Campbell-Palmer
• Gerhard Schwab (Bavaria)
• Derek Gow (UK)

Books:

• Wilding: The Return of Nature to a British Farm by Isabella Tree – https://amzn.to/43j3Dbj

Conferences:

• "If Not Now, When: See Beyond" (July 25–27, 2025) – Rewilding Coombeshead
• Rewilding Coombeshead Conference by Derek Gow (July 26–27) – https://www.ticketsource.co.uk/keep-it-wild/t-kraexje

🌍 See All of Rupert’s Programs and Shows:

• Website: https://rupertisaacson.com

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• Website: https://ntls.co
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🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Type 2 Fun, Trauma, and Triumph (Starts at [00:02:00])
  • Stevie explains the now-legendary classification of fun and how it relates to challenge, fear, and resilience.
• How Endurance Racing Became a Spiritual Path (Starts at [00:06:00])
  • From half-marathons to the Mongol Derby, Stevie shares how testing her body helped her discover her spirit.
• The Mongol Derby and the Ego Question (Starts at [00:24:00])
  • Rupert and Stevie unpack why winning might not be the point, and what spiritual seekers are really after.
• Why Boredom Might Be the Enemy of Mental Health (Starts at [00:35:00])
  • A deep dive into boredom, awe, loneliness, and the human need for challenge and connection.
• Psilocybin and the Herd: Inter-Species Conversations (Starts at [01:06:00])
  • Stevie describes what happens when she microdoses with horses present and what they've taught her.
• Spiritual Mentors, Trees, and Land Consciousness (Starts at [01:40:00])
  • From reindeer in Mongolia to juniper groves in Oregon, Stevie discusses what it means to hear land and trees speak.
• Nomadism and the Restoration of Wonder (Starts at [01:55:00])
  • Why mobility may be the cure for modern malaise, and how Stevie is redesigning her life and business accordingly.

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Rupert and Stevie explore how trauma and triumph often share a border zone of spiritual insight ([00:05:00])
• What Stevie learned about love from a mare named Sparta under the influence of psilocybin ([01:08:00])
• A snowstorm in Patagonia turns life-threatening, and fire becomes salvation ([01:33:00])
• Rupert and Stevie debate whether the spiritual path should involve competition at all ([00:26:00])
• The surprising intelligence and opinion of a horse named Sonic who wants to roam free ([01:11:00])
• Why we may need risk and awe as much as we need oxygen ([01:13:00])

📚 Books, Films, Causes & Contact:

Websites:

• Stevie Delahunt’s equine training & coaching: https://intergalacticequine.com
• Instagram: https://instagram.com/adventuristbarbie

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Robin and Merlin Hanbury-Tenison are currently raising funds to build the UK's first Atlantic rainforest research station through their Thousand Year Trust. This station will serve as a hub for groundbreaking studies into biodiversity, climate resilience, and the mental health benefits of temperate forests. The crowdfunder is live until May 21st, 2025, and donations will be matched by Aviva—with additional matched funding unlocked if the target is reached.

Legendary explorer and indigenous rights activist Robin Hanbury-Tenison OBE, DL, DSc, DHc, MA, FLS, FRGS, and his son Merlin Hanbury-Tenison—veteran, conservationist, and author—join Rupert Isaacson for a deeply hopeful, multigenerational conversation about the revival of Britain’s ancient rainforests. From leading Britain’s largest-ever scientific expedition into the Borneo rainforest, to launching the UK’s first Atlantic temperate rainforest research station, the Hanbury-Tenisons are weaving together indigenous wisdom, military resilience, climate science, and future-forward ecology. This wide-ranging episode explores rewilding, cultural change, land access, trauma recovery, and how to heal both people and the land—together.

🌿 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Cracking the Rainforest Code (Starts at [00:03:03]) Robin reveals how his Borneo expedition uncovered the self-contained nutrient cycle of tropical rainforests and why this discovery matters more than ever.
• Britain Was a Rainforest (Starts at [00:08:00]) Merlin explains how 20% of the UK was once covered by rainforest, and why reclaiming that heritage is vital to the nation’s identity and ecology.
• Healing in the Forest (Starts at [00:06:00]) Hear how Merlin, his wife Lizzie, and Robin himself all found profound healing from trauma and illness within their patch of Atlantic rainforest in Cornwall.
• The Sheep Problem (Starts at [00:16:00]) The surprising story of how non-native sheep transformed Britain's landscapes—and how that continues to affect biodiversity today.
• The Rewilded Farm: Cabilla Cornwall (Starts at [00:21:21]) Merlin describes transforming a 250-acre family farm into a working model of rainforest restoration and regenerative agroforestry.
• A Blueprint for Upland Farming’s Future (Starts at [00:22:00]) Can a small-scale reforestation project create scalable, profitable farming solutions for the next generation? Merlin thinks so.
• The Economic Case for Rewilding (Starts at [00:24:00]) Carbon markets, ecotourism, and a post-Brexit subsidy system: How today’s farmers can make more money from forest than from sheep.
• Access and Culture (Starts at [00:27:00]) Robin and Merlin reflect on how to balance ecological restoration with public access, cultural heritage, and resistance to change.
• From Survival International to the Thousand Year Trust (Starts at [00:52:00]) Robin and Merlin connect the dots between indigenous wisdom and rewilding Britain—from the Kalahari to Cornwall.
• An Optimist’s Vision of 3025 (Starts at [01:00:00]) Merlin lays out two possible futures for humanity: a Mad Max apocalypse or a thriving rewilded world. He believes we can choose the latter.

🌲 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Merlin reveals how beavers and temperate rainforest help prevent flooding, drought, and mental health decline ([00:08:00])
• Robin recalls telling Margaret Thatcher the truth about tropical deforestation—and nearly getting handbagged for it ([00:13:05])
• Rupert imagines a British rainforest safari system, with wolves, lynx, and eco-lodges connecting restored farms ([00:48:00])
• Robin advocates for riding horses through a rewilded Britain as the most profound way to experience the land ([00:57:00])
• Merlin explains how spending 30 minutes in a temperate rainforest can drop your cortisol levels for two weeks ([01:13:00])

Learn more about Robin Hanbury-Tenison:

• Website: https://www.robinsbooks.co.uk

 Learn more about Merlin Hanbury-Tenison:

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/merlin-hanbury-tenison-a069b636
• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/merlinhanburytenison

 Follow the Thousand Year Trust:

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/thousandyeartrust
• Website: https://www.thousandyeartrust.org

 Visit Cabilla Cornwall:

• Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cabillacornwall
• Website: https://www.cabillacornwall.com

 Read Merlin’s new book:

• Our Oaken Bones: Reviving a Family, a Farm and Britain’s Ancient Rainforests: https://amzn.to/3GvStaj

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Emelie Cajsdotter—author, healer, and founder of a unique animal sanctuary in western Sweden—joins Rupert Isaacson for a sweeping, emotional, and revelatory conversation that bridges grief, neurodivergence, trauma, ancestral healing, and the reality of interspecies communication. With gentle intensity, Emelie recounts a childhood shaped by loss and isolation, and the moment a defiant pony broke through her emotional shutdown—igniting a lifelong journey of empathic interbeing with animals, ancestors, and nature spirits. If you’ve ever wondered what it really means to listen to another being—not interpret, not impose, but truly inhabit their experience—this conversation will change you.

🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• The Origins of Empathic Interbeing (Starts at [00:03:24])
  • Discover how Emelie conceptualizes her experience of merging consciousness with other beings, and how this connection reshaped her life.
• The Tragic and Transformational Early Years (Starts at [00:04:20])
  • A powerful account of Emelie's father's death and her upbringing by a psychic grandmother in urban Gothenburg.
• The Healing Begins: A Pony Who Refused to Break (Starts at [00:45:00])
  • Learn how a combative chestnut mare became the mirror that helped Emelie reclaim her will to live.
• When the Horse Says No: Redefining Respect (Starts at [00:54:00])
  • Explore how the long process of trust-building with this pony revealed a new framework for healing and training.
• Finding the Right Medicine (Starts at [01:04:00])
  • Hear how a chance newspaper clipping led Emelie to a New Zealand vet who changed the trajectory of her work and life.
• Nature Spirits and the Real World of Forest Beings (Starts at [01:14:00])
  • Emelie shares the moment forest spirits began to appear in her life, how they taught her about plants, and what they expect from us.
• Relationship Without Domination (Starts at [02:13:00])
  • Rupert and Emelie reflect on how to partner with animals beyond hierarchy and how this philosophy plays out in both their lives.

🎤 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Rupert and Emelie dissect why conventional animal communication often fails to reflect the animal’s true perspective ([00:02:00])
• The unforgettable first moment of full empathic merger between Emelie and a seemingly hostile pony ([00:48:00])
• The figure in the dark: a terrifying turning point during Emelie’s adolescent identity crisis ([01:11:00])
• How samba drumming and a fellow student helped Emelie find her own rhythm and life path ([01:16:00])
• Why the forest is not symbolic, but literally alive and relational—a reality that reveals itself when we listen ([01:22:00])
• The water spirits of Greenland, and what they teach about memory, time, and healing ([02:08:00])

📚 Books, Films, Causes & Contact:

Websites:

• Emelie Cajsdotter’s courses & school: https://www.miothewayofcompassion.com
• Animal sanctuary and nonprofit: https://www.friendsofmiyo.com

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🔍 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• The Art of Listening to Animals (Starts at [00:02:20]) – Discover how tuning into wildlife vocalizations deepens your connection with nature.
• Understanding Wolf Language (Starts at [00:27:30]) – Learn what wolf howls, barks, and yips reveal about their family dynamics and emotional states.
• Empathy and Emotional Intelligence in Wildlife (Starts at [00:36:00]) – Consider the emotional and social intelligence of animals like bears and wolves.
• Learning to Track with the Ears (Starts at [00:44:20]) – Gain insights into acoustic tracking and listening as a primary sensory tool.
• How Artistic Practice Deepens Animal Understanding (Starts at [00:52:00]) – Discover how sculpting animals refines observation and empathy.
• Teaching Children the Language of the Wild (Starts at [01:06:00]) – See how nature-based listening empowers and grounds young learners.
• The Inner Wilderness (Starts at [01:13:00]) – Explore how connecting with wildness helps heal internal disconnection.
• Calling the Animals: A Deeper Dive into Mimicry (Starts at [01:42:00]) – Hear how George uses mimicry to communicate directly with wild animals.
• Field Encounters That Shift Worldviews (Starts at [01:51:00]) – Reflect on how real-time animal experiences can transform human understanding.
• Conservation Through Emotional Connection (Starts at [02:06:00]) – Discover how empathy drives deeper conservation efforts.

🎧 Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• George describes how a single bark from a wolf can carry multiple meanings depending on pitch, pacing, and context ([00:27:50])
• A moving story of a bison mother and her calf that teaches a powerful lesson in patience and presence ([00:38:00])
• George and Rupert reflect on how grief shows up in animal communities, and how recognizing this can shift our own relationship to mourning ([01:11:00])
• A captivating example of acoustic mimicry and the moment George successfully called in a raven during a forest walk ([01:42:15])
• A transformative encounter between a young student and a wolf pup that sparks a conversation on education and presence ([01:53:00])
• George shares how a single elk bugle at dusk can carry emotional nuance, context, and ecological awareness across a valley ([02:06:45])

📚 Books, Films, Causes & Contact:

Websites:

Eavesdropping on Animals: What We Can Learn From Wildlife Conversations https://amzn.to/4iSJU7D

George Bumann: https://georgebumann.com
A Yellowstone Life: https://ayellowstonelife.com
Yellowstone Summit: https://yellowstonesummit.com

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📌 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• From Pain to Purpose (Starts at [00:01:40]) – Dr. Har Hari recounts his personal story of debilitating chronic pain in his 20s, and how chiropractic care changed his life trajectory.
• The Evolution and Suppression of Chiropractic (Starts at [00:03:00]) – Why chiropractic medicine has remained controversial despite over a century of success and how it differs from osteopathy.
• Biohacking the Body: Vibration, Light, and Magnetism (Starts at [00:12:00]) – A breakdown of technologies like PEMF, red light therapy, hyperbarics, and their effects on mitochondria, stem cells, and aging.
• Living in a Toxic World (Starts at [00:11:00]) – A discussion on the 80,000+ environmental toxins we face today and how healing practices must adapt to modern stressors.
• The Spiritual Science of Sikhism (Starts at [00:22:00]) – Har Hari shares his personal spiritual journey from Jewish upbringing to becoming a Sikh, including prophetic dreams and his time in a Boulder ashram.
• Scalar Waves and Quantum Healing (Starts at [01:39:00]) – What scalar energy is, how it differs from EMFs, and how devices like the CyberScan use these principles for extraordinary diagnostics and healing.

✨ Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Rupert and Har Hari trade stories about poo and microbiome health (Starts at [00:16:00]).
• Rupert plays devil’s advocate, questioning whether our time is really more toxic than previous centuries (Starts at [00:12:00]).
• The connection between militarism and mysticism in Sikh history—and how Har Hari’s past life visions led him there (Starts at [00:26:00]).
• The role of play in healing: from yoga to laughter therapy, the conversation closes on joy as the ultimate medicine (Starts at [01:57:00]).

🚀 Action Steps from Dr. Har Hari:

• Explore Holistic Therapies – Look into chiropractic care, PEMF, red light, and hyperbarics as tools for vitality and healing.
• Reconnect with Nature – Kick off your shoes, lie under a tree, breathe in the biome—free, accessible medicine.
• Practice Short Daily Yoga – Even 3 to 11 minutes of breath and movement can rewire your system.
• Question the Matrix – Stay awake to media groupthink and cultivate mental sovereignty.

📚 Books, Programs & Contact:

🌐 Clinic & Contact: 
Transformational Healing Universe (THU): https://thuheal.com
Instagram: https://instagram.com/thuheal

📲 Devices & Tools Mentioned: CyberScan | StemWave | Sigma Instrument | PEMF Tables | Red Light Panels | Hyperbaric Chambers

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📌 What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• A Lifelong Love for Art History (Starts at [00:03:00]) – Tom recounts his unexpected journey into the world of art, sparked by a single revelatory moment in an art history lecture.
• The Transformative Power of Art (Starts at [00:10:00]) – How experiencing great art can shape our understanding of ourselves, history, and society.
• The Role of Risk and Play in Life and Learning (Starts at [00:22:00]) – Why risk-taking, adventure, and breaking a few rules can be essential to personal and intellectual growth.
• The Importance of Teaching and Mentorship (Starts at [00:40:00]) – Tom’s experiences teaching art history in schools, museums, and abroad, and how education extends beyond the classroom.
• Spoke: The Fusion of Art, Film, and Education (Starts at [00:55:00]) – How Tom founded Spoke, a competition that empowers students to create films based on art and poetry.
• Living a Self-Determined Life (Starts at [01:10:00]) – Reflections on how following one's passion and staying open to change leads to a meaningful and fulfilling life.

✨ Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Tom’s unexpected discovery of art history after attending a lecture while recovering from a hangover (Starts at [00:05:30]).
• The exhilarating and dangerous experience of climbing the York Minster scaffolding as a student (Starts at [00:20:45]).
• A gripping story of navigating a tense moment while working at a heroin rehab center in Hong Kong (Starts at [00:30:00]).
• How teaching art history became a way of giving back and fostering a love of creativity in young people (Starts at [00:50:00]).

🚀 Action Steps from Tom:

• Engage with Art – Visit a museum, explore a gallery, or even just observe a painting with fresh eyes to understand its deeper meaning.
• Encourage Play and Risk – Find ways to integrate adventure, play, and a bit of healthy rule-breaking into your life for deeper learning and fulfillment.
• Support Young Artists and Filmmakers – Check out the Spoke competition and other programs that nurture creativity and storytelling.
• Explore History with an Open Mind – Look at the past not just as history, but as a way to understand and connect with the present.

🎬 Programs:

• Spoke Competition: https://spokecompetition.com
• Art History Lectures with Tom Parsons: https://tomparsons.org

📲 Follow Tom Parsons:

• Facebook: https://facebook.com/tomparsonsart
• Instagram: https://instagram.com/tomparsonsart
• Website: https://tomparsons.org

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What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

Breaking Free from the Conventional Life (Starts at [00:02:00]): Lainie shares the story of how the 2008 economic crash led her to rethink everything, culminating in her decision to embark on a life of full-time travel with her son.

Worldschooling and Self-Directed Learning (Starts at [00:10:00]): Discover the philosophy behind worldschooling, the power of experiential learning, and how it allows children to develop curiosity, independence, and a deep connection to the world.

Parenting Through Partnership (Starts at [00:25:00]): Lainie discusses how she cultivated a parent-child relationship based on mutual respect, collaboration, and trust rather than authoritarian control.

Teen Mental Health and Emotional Intelligence (Starts at [00:40:00]): Learn how Lainie supports teens in developing emotional intelligence and resilience through her Transformative Mentoring for Teens program.

Building a Business with Your Teen (Starts at [00:55:00]): Hear how Lainie and Miro turned their passion for worldschooling into a movement, creating Project World School and a thriving board game café in Mexico.

The Power of Play in Learning and Mental Health (Starts at [01:10:00]): Explore how play and gaming are crucial to cognitive and emotional development, and why Lainie believes every family should embrace board games.

Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Lainie’s spontaneous decision to leave behind a lucrative career for a life of travel ([00:03:30]).
• How Miro adapted to worldschooling and the unconventional education system they created ([00:15:45]).
• A powerful discussion on breaking free from internalized childhood conditioning and limiting beliefs ([00:35:00]).
• The unexpected evolution of their journey into global teen retreats and mentoring ([00:50:00]).

Action Steps from Lainie:

1. Embrace Self-Directed Learning – Give your child more autonomy in their education and watch them flourish.
2. Explore Play as a Learning Tool – Incorporate board games and creative play into your family culture.
3. Rethink Parenting as a Partnership – Shift from control to collaboration for a more fulfilling parent-child relationship.
4. Step Outside Your Comfort Zone – Whether through travel or simply new experiences, growth comes from embracing the unknown.

Books, Courses & Contact:

Books:

• Seen, Heard, and Understood: Parenting and Partnering with Teens for Greater Mental Health – https://amzn.to/419zb13

Programs:

• Project World School: https://projectworldschool.com
• Transformative Mentoring for Teens: https://transformativementoringforteens.com

Follow Lainie Liberti:

• Facebook: https://facebook.com/projectworldschool
• Instagram: https://www.https://instagram.com/projectworldschool/
• YouTube: https://youtube.com/@projectworldschool

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What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• From Books as a Safe Haven to a Writing Career (Starts at [00:03:00]) – Barker recounts his early fascination with books and how reading became his refuge as an autistic child.
• The Journey from Ghostwriting to Bestselling Author (Starts at [00:10:00]) – How working behind the scenes on bestselling books shaped Barker’s approach to storytelling and publishing.
• Stephen King’s Endorsement and Breaking Into Horror (Starts at [00:25:00]) – The incredible story of how Barker got permission to use a Stephen King character and the impact it had on launching his career.
• The Business of Writing: Indie vs. Traditional Publishing (Starts at [00:45:00]) – Barker discusses his experiences with both self-publishing and working with major publishing houses, including the pros and cons of each path.
• Co-Authoring with James Patterson (Starts at [01:10:00]) – What it’s like to work with one of the biggest names in publishing and how collaborations shape his writing process.
• How Autism Influences His Writing and Career (Starts at [01:25:00]) – Barker shares how being on the autism spectrum has impacted his storytelling, social interactions, and approach to problem-solving.
• Building a Publishing Empire (Starts at [01:35:00]) – From writing to founding a book marketing company, Barker reveals his strategies for navigating the ever-changing publishing landscape.
• Advice for Aspiring Authors (Starts at [01:45:00]) – Practical tips on breaking into the industry, securing an agent, and making a living as a writer.

Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Barker’s unexpected autism diagnosis in his 20s and how it changed his perspective on life and writing ([00:04:00]).
• The wild story of how he attempted to visit Stephen King’s house and ended up getting a personal email from the horror master himself ([00:22:00]).
• A deep dive into Hollywood’s adaptation process and why so many books get optioned but never made into films ([00:29:00]).
• The surprising impact of TikTok on book sales and how Barker leveraged social media influencers to boost his titles ([00:40:00]).

Books, Films, Causes & Contact:

Books by J.D. Barker:

• Forsaken: https://amzn.to/4jQxD4t
• The Fourth Monkey: https://amzn.to/3EzFfZ5
• Dracul (with Dacre Stoker): https://amzn.to/4jQ3d2n
• She Has a Broken Thing Where Her Heart Should Be: https://amzn.to/3EzAwqk
• We Don’t Talk About Emma (New Release!): https://amzn.to/3CUPcQ7
• The Writer (with James Patterson): https://amzn.to/3CA35TZ
• Something I Keep Upstairs (Upcoming Release - May 2025): https://amzn.to/3CUP579

Find J.D. Barker Online:

🌐 Website: https://jdbarker.com

📘 Facebook: https://facebook.com/therealjdbarker

📸 Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jdbarker_author/

🎥 TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@jdbarker_author

🐦 Twitter/X: https://twitter.com/jdbarker

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What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Tracking as a Pathway to Belonging (Starts at [00:03:00]):
  Craig reflects on how tracking helps humans reconnect with nature and themselves, fostering a deep sense of purpose and security.
• Mental Health and the Oldest Language (Starts at [00:10:00]):
  Explore the psychological benefits of tracking, from reducing stress to fostering curiosity and joy through close observation of the natural world.
• Empathy Through Tracking (Starts at [00:25:00]):
  Rupert and Craig discuss how tracking builds empathy, not only for animals but also for fellow humans and the environment, bridging the gap between nature and human well-being.
• How to Begin Tracking Anywhere (Starts at [00:45:00]):
  Craig offers simple strategies for tracking in urban and suburban settings, showing how even observing a single species like a dragonfly or a slug can transform one’s connection to the world.
• The Transformative Power of One Creature (Starts at [01:33:00]):
  Craig explains how focusing on just one animal can fundamentally change your perspective, foster curiosity, and bring happiness. By observing a single species, you gain insight into its world, which, in turn, transforms your own psyche.
• Curiosity: A Key to Happiness (Starts at [01:25:00]):
  Learn why curiosity must be cultivated to experience joy and fulfillment. Tracking and stepping into an animal’s world provide a deeply satisfying and transformative experience that reconnects you with nature and yourself.
• Tracking as a Tool for Cognitive Health (Starts at [01:25:00]):
  Learn how tracking can potentially stave off mental decline, improve neural plasticity, and become an integral part of education, workplace wellness, and elder care.
• Step into the Animal’s World (Starts at [01:35:00]):
  Craig emphasizes the importance of immersing yourself in an animal’s life to feel your psyche change and grow. Whether it’s a dragonfly, slug, or bird, this intimate connection fosters mental health and a sense of belonging.
• The Importance of a Tracking Journal (Starts at [01:45:00]):
  Documenting your observations in a tracking journal allows you to grow your knowledge and deepen your understanding of the natural world. This simple yet profound practice sharpens curiosity and creates a personal record of your evolving relationship with nature.
• Creating a Group for Tracking and Journaling (Starts at [01:50:00]):
  Craig and Rupert discuss the power of connecting with others to share tracking experiences and observations. Collaborative efforts enrich the learning process and foster community, bringing additional layers of fulfillment to this practice.

Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Craig recounts an extraordinary day of tracking baboons, cocktail ants, and lizards in Cape Town, unraveling a complex ecosystem story ([00:04:00]).
• A discussion on how urban environments, like London or airports, can still offer fascinating tracking opportunities, from slug trails to human behavioral patterns ([00:13:00]).
• Craig reveals the transformative power of immersing oneself in a biodiverse environment, sharing how it radically impacts mental health ([00:46:00]).
• Rupert proposes the intriguing question of whether the natural world observes and empathizes with humans in return ([01:59:00]).

Books, Films, Causes & Contact:

• Books:
  • Amphibious Soul: https://amzn.to/3WrMJ6L
  • The Great Dance: https://amzn.to/3Y6YeBO
• Films:
  • My Octopus Teacher: 
    • Trailer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3s0LTDhqe5A
    • Netflix: https://www.netflix.com/title/81045007
• Causes & Organizations:
  • Sea Change Project: https://seachangeproject.com

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In this episode of Live Free, Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson explores Rebecca’s path into publishing, her thoughts on the importance of books in preserving horse culture, and the unique challenges of publishing high-quality equestrian literature in a digital age. Rebecca also shares anecdotes from her life, insights into working with authors, and the magic of creating books that bring joy to readers and honor the equestrian world.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

• Rebecca’s Journey to Trafalgar Square  Books (Starts at [00:02:00])
  Rebecca shares her journey from growing up horse-obsessed in Vermont to becoming a key figure in equestrian publishing. She recounts her early love of writing, her college years, and her path to joining Trafalgar Square  Books .
• The Role of Horses in Literature (Starts at [00:12:00]
  Rebecca discusses the vital role that books play in preserving and celebrating equine culture and history, and how she helps authors bring their stories to life.
• Challenges of Publishing in the Digital Era (Starts at [00:30:00])
  Rebecca talks about balancing tradition and innovation in publishing, the impact of AI on editing and writing, and the enduring appeal of printed books in a screen-dominated world.
• Creating Meaningful Stories (Starts at [00:50:00])
  Rebecca reflects on her most memorable projects, including collaborations with equestrian legends and producing books that blend practical knowledge with emotional storytelling.
• Connecting People Through Horses (Starts at [01:10:00])
  Rebecca shares personal insights into how horses foster emotional connections, inspire creativity, and bring communities together.

Memorable Moments from the Episode

• Rebecca recounts her early days as a rider in Vermont and how those experiences shaped her love of horses ([00:03:00]).
• Reflections on working with authors like Linda Tellington-Jones and creating books that resonate deeply with equestrians ([00:25:00]).
• Insights into the unique challenges of editing practical horse-care books and ensuring accessibility for readers ([00:40:00]).
• A discussion on the importance of preserving horse traditions while embracing modern storytelling methods ([00:55:00]).
• Rebecca’s heartfelt story about finding joy and healing through riding and literature ([01:15:00]).

Books Mentioned in This Episode

Recommended by Rebecca Didier:

• H is for Hawk by Helen MacDonald (https://amzn.to/4fUa6MJ)
• Wyoming Summer by Mary O'Hara (out of print) (https://amzn.to/4ahtS3K)
• Never Burn Your Moving Boxes: A True Tale of a Real-Life Cowboy Wife by Jolyn Young (https://amzn.to/42iM3UD))
• Distant Skies: An American Journey on Horseback by Melissa Chapman (https://amzn.to/40zUvhd)
• The Warmth of Other Suns: The Epic Story of America's Great Migration by Isabel Wilkerson (https://amzn.to/42gEqyc)

Additional Titles Mentioned:

• To Borrow Freedom: Riding Down a Dream on the Coast of Portugal by Sheila Greenfield (https://amzn.to/42gxroO)
• How To Be A Good Creature: A Memoir in Thirteen Animals by Sy Montgomery (https://amzn.to/40kT04W)
• The Soul of an Octopus: A Surprising Exploration into the Wonder of Consciousness by Sy Montgomery (https://amzn.to/3WIewQn)
• Liberty Biscuit by Melanie Sue Bowles (https://amzn.to/3DSoKqu)
• Little Pearl by Melanie Sue Bowles (https://amzn.to/4hdzTAI)

Contact Rebecca Didier and Trafalgar Square Books 

🌐 Website: https://trafalgarbooks.com/pages/about-us
📇 LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rebeccadidier/

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New Trails Learning Systems
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Ari Honarvar is an award-winning writer, speaker, artist, and peacebuilder. As the founder of Rumi With A View, she uses art, music, and Persian mystical poetry to create healing spaces and build bridges between communities divided by conflict and trauma. Ari’s work has been featured in publications such as The Guardian, Teen Vogue, and The New York Times, and she serves as the Iranian Musical Ambassador of Peace.

Ari facilitates "Resilience through Joy" workshops for refugees and volunteers on both sides of the U.S.-Mexico border and in Europe. Her critically acclaimed debut novel, A Girl Called Rumi, interweaves Persian mythology with a deeply personal narrative of survival, resilience, and healing, earning accolades such as being a Nautilus Award Winner and one of Kirkus Reviews' Best Books of 2022. Additionally, Ari is the creator of Rumi's Gift Oracle Deck, an inspiring blend of her translations, meditations, and artwork.

In this episode of Live Free Ride Free, Rupert Isaacson reconnects with Ari after many years to explore her transformative journey. Together, they discuss the intersection of art and activism, the healing power of Persian poetry, and the unique ways Ari inspires unity in a divided world.

What You’ll Learn in This Episode:

• Ari’s Journey to Rumi With A View (Starts at 1:00)
  Ari shares their path from growing up in Iran to founding Rumi With A View, combining their love for art, poetry, and community healing.
• The Role of Art in Healing Divides (Starts at 6:00)
  Ari discusses how Persian poetry and music have become tools to bridge cultural and personal divides, fostering unity.
• Creating Safe Spaces for Healing (Starts at 15:30)
  Ari elaborates on their work with war-affected communities, highlighting the importance of creating spaces where art and conversation can lead to transformation.
• Intersection of Mysticism and Activism (Starts at 25:00)
  Learn how Ari’s work intertwines mystical Persian traditions with modern activism to inspire hope and action.
• The Power of Dance and Movement (Starts at 33:15)
  Ari and Rupert reflect on their shared history in ecstatic dance and its role in fostering connection and joy.

Memorable Moments from the Episode:

• Ari shares the story of founding Rumi With A View and its mission to heal divides through art (1:30).
• An inspiring account of using Persian poetry in workshops to help individuals reconnect with their inner selves (20:45).
• Rupert and Ari reminisce about their ecstatic dance experiences and the unique bonds formed through movement (35:00).
• A touching story about a war survivor finding solace in poetry during a challenging time (42:15).
• Reflections on how mystical traditions can inform modern approaches to activism and healing (50:00).

Contact Ari Honarvar:

🌐 Website: https://rumiwithaview.com
📸 Instagram: https://instagram.com/rumiwithaview
🖋️ Substack: https://arihonarvar.substack.com/
📖 A Girl Called Rumi: https://amzn.to/40iLyIX

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New Trails Learning Systems
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🎥 YouTube: https://youtube.com/newtrailslearningsystems

Victor Bahna is a tech industry veteran, thoroughbred racing enthusiast, and the author of the gripping new thriller, Heliacal Star. Based in Seattle, Victor has seamlessly blended his passions for technology and racehorses into a life filled with discovery, balance, and storytelling. In his debut novel, Heliacal Star, Victor explores the thrilling yet darker sides of the racing industry, creating a narrative that captivates and informs. In this episode, Victor shares his unique journey, insights into horse racing and the tech world, and lessons learned from the therapeutic bond with his retired racehorses.

About Heliacal Star
Heliacal Star is an exhilarating and emotional novel centered on the rich history and thrilling atmosphere of thoroughbred racing. It offers gripping moments of suspense that build at a great pace as the plot thickens, keeping readers on edge.
Learn More at https://victorbahna.com

What You’ll Learn in This Episode

• Victor’s Journey from Tech to Racehorses and Writing (Starts at 1:00) Victor discusses growing up in Long Island, his transition into the tech world, and how a passion for racehorses rekindled his creative pursuits.
• Life Lessons from the Track (Starts at 12:30) From his first experiences with racehorses to founding Royal Victory Thoroughbreds, Victor shares the challenges and joys of owning and breeding thoroughbreds.
• The Writing Process for Heliacal Star (Starts at 25:00) Victor dives into the inspirations for his novel, how he self-published it, and its message about reform in the racing industry.
• Balancing Tech Stress with the Healing Power of Retired Racehorses (Starts at 35:45) Victor reveals how working with retired racehorses has profoundly influenced his approach to leadership, emotional regulation, and personal growth.
• The Future of Horse Racing and Ethical Breeding (Starts at 50:15) A deep dive into Victor’s hopes for the racing industry, including reforms and the importance of giving racehorses meaningful lives beyond the track.

Memorable Moments from the Episode

• The transformative impact of riding and caring for retired racehorses on Victor’s approach to stress and relationships (36:00).
• How Heliacal Star highlights issues within the racing industry while honoring its legacy (26:30).
• Victor's humorous yet insightful story of his early foray into betting and racehorse ownership (10:15).
• The therapeutic lessons racehorses taught Victor, from de-escalation to building trust (38:45).

Contact Victor Bahna

🌐 Website: victorbahna.com
📖 Purchase Heliacal Star on Amazon

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Starting as an animal trainer and horsewoman at home in California she entered the movie industry in the 1980s and helped create some very iconic movies- listen on to hear about that.

But there's way more to Terry than simply animal training. After a lesson from a very particular lion - a story that will leave you breathless- Terry realized that she- and the industry- needed a radically different approach. 

She learned not to train animals but to listen to them- and from that point on her life was transformed. As you're will be too once you hear what the animals have to say.

Contact Terry:

• https://www.terrykuebler.com

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• https://rupertisaacson.com