Eventually, it wore thin. When lockdowns brought live entertainment to a halt, Matt began building something different. He packed his gear into a truck camper and created his own traveling music business, performing throughout the American Southwest without waiting for someone else to book the stage, write the schedule or hand him an itinerary.

Now in his late 40s, Matt is still a touring musician. He just owns the tour. Matt joins Millian to talk about three decades in entertainment, walking away from the machinery of big productions, and discovering that sometimes freedom looks suspiciously like a camper, a guitar and a fully charged battery.