He Says, She Says, They Say Transistor (https://transistor.fm) https://feeds.transistor.fm/he-says-she-says-they-say A podcast about conversations on topics that men and women don't usually have with each other... but should. With perspectives from different guests each episode, we'll make you think, question, and most importantly (hopefully), laugh! © 2025 Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi 80085cc6-e251-5d0e-b395-aa2bb93d0c6a no en Wed, 23 Jul 2025 22:35:35 +0800 Wed, 03 Dec 2025 05:44:10 +0800 https://heshetheysay.com https://img.transistor.fm/pY-988ODaUwdUa6KJumuhj-HTRUC1zZRXfrqs3GuBqM/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:1400/h:1400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9zaG93/LzE0NTAxLzE2MDg4/MDc4ODYtYXJ0d29y/ay5qcGc.jpg He Says, She Says, They Say https://heshetheysay.com episodic Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi A podcast about conversations on topics that men and women don't usually have with each other... but should. With perspectives from different guests each episode, we'll make you think, question, and most importantly (hopefully), laugh! A podcast about conversations on topics that men and women don't usually have with each other... comedy, talk, discussion, social issues, culture, contemporary, politics Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi No Yes Cancel Culture (with Rish Tandapany) 11 11 Cancel Culture (with Rish Tandapany) full 04760fa6-5e3c-4240-990a-041825721788 https://share.transistor.fm/s/5bff5a8c It has become a bogeyman to many, yet still many are unsure what it even is. We speak to Rish Tandapany, the founder and CEO of boutique thought consultancy Trynkle, about cancel culture to find out more about its origins, what cancel culture actually is, and its implications on modern society.

Social media links:

Rish Tandapany
Website: https://www.trynkle.com/
Twitter: @RTandapany
Instagram: @asktrynkle

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: @Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne
Instagram: @azielianne

]]> It has become a bogeyman to many, yet still many are unsure what it even is. We speak to Rish Tandapany, the founder and CEO of boutique thought consultancy Trynkle, about cancel culture to find out more about its origins, what cancel culture actually is, and its implications on modern society.

Social media links:

Rish Tandapany
Website: https://www.trynkle.com/
Twitter: @RTandapany
Instagram: @asktrynkle

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: @Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne
Instagram: @azielianne

]]> Tue, 08 Jun 2021 12:28:11 +0800 Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi 2349 Sarimah Ibrahim, Neelofa, Siti Nurhaliza. Celebrities who got on the wrong side of public fury and found themselves on the receiving end of a flurry of “cancellations”. But what does it mean exactly to be “cancelled”? And is there such a thing as a “cancel culture”? Sarimah Ibrahim, Neelofa, Siti Nurhaliza. Celebrities who got on the wrong side of public fury and found themselves on the receiving end of a flurry of “cancellations”. But what does it mean exactly to be “cancelled”? And is there such a thing as a “cance comedy, talk, discussion, social issues, culture, contemporary, politics Yes Anti-Vaxxers (with Dr. Khoo Yoong Khean) 10 10 Anti-Vaxxers (with Dr. Khoo Yoong Khean) full bd5f7b6d-4516-4e63-b643-acc98ea68e93 https://share.transistor.fm/s/fef44c67 Following the publication of a now-debunked paper tying vaccines to autism in 1998, there has been a growing group of anti-vaccine believers actively trying to combat efforts to vaccinate the world against preventable diseases. Now, as Malaysia embarks on its drive to deliver the COVID vaccine, we speak to healthcare administrator Dr, Khoo Yoong Khean about anti-vaxxers, their beliefs, and how governments should deal with them.


Dr. Khoo Yoong Khean
Website: https://www.medium.com/@yoongkhean
Twitter: @yoongkhean

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: @Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne
Instagram: @azielianne

]]> Following the publication of a now-debunked paper tying vaccines to autism in 1998, there has been a growing group of anti-vaccine believers actively trying to combat efforts to vaccinate the world against preventable diseases. Now, as Malaysia embarks on its drive to deliver the COVID vaccine, we speak to healthcare administrator Dr, Khoo Yoong Khean about anti-vaxxers, their beliefs, and how governments should deal with them.


Dr. Khoo Yoong Khean
Website: https://www.medium.com/@yoongkhean
Twitter: @yoongkhean

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: @Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne
Instagram: @azielianne

]]> Wed, 19 May 2021 10:00:00 +0800 Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi 1860 As Malaysia kickstarts its effort to get as many Malaysians vaccinated as possible, we speak to healthcare administrator Dr. Khoo Yoong Khean about a group who might be an obstacle in the country’s attempt to do so. As Malaysia kickstarts its effort to get as many Malaysians vaccinated as possible, we speak to healthcare administrator Dr. Khoo Yoong Khean about a group who might be an obstacle in the country’s attempt to do so. comedy, talk, discussion, social issues, culture, contemporary, politics No Are Billionaires Halal in Islam? (with Areeb Siddiqui) 9 9 Are Billionaires Halal in Islam? (with Areeb Siddiqui) full 848186bb-09c5-4109-97c8-59e708fb69a2 https://share.transistor.fm/s/fffe9262 As the world sees a global increase in wealth inequality, many are pointing to the immorality of a handful of the world’s population owning most of its wealth. Given this, we speak with the CEO of Islamic budgeting and investing app Kestrl to hear what Islam might have to say about this issue and how zakat might be an answer to these problems.

Social media links:

Areeb Siddiqui, Kestrl App
Website: https://kestrl.io/
Twitter: @KestrlApp
Instagram: @areeb.a.siddiqui

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: @Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne
Instagram: @azielianne

]]> As the world sees a global increase in wealth inequality, many are pointing to the immorality of a handful of the world’s population owning most of its wealth. Given this, we speak with the CEO of Islamic budgeting and investing app Kestrl to hear what Islam might have to say about this issue and how zakat might be an answer to these problems.

Social media links:

Areeb Siddiqui, Kestrl App
Website: https://kestrl.io/
Twitter: @KestrlApp
Instagram: @areeb.a.siddiqui

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: @Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne
Instagram: @azielianne

]]> Thu, 29 Apr 2021 21:00:00 +0800 Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi 2200 We’re halfway through the month of Ramadhan, and in conjunction with Nuzul Qur’an, Azielia and Iqbal speak with the CEO of Islamic budgeting and investing app Kestrl, Areeb Siddiqui about Zakat and the role of billionaires in Islam. We’re halfway through the month of Ramadhan, and in conjunction with Nuzul Qur’an, Azielia and Iqbal speak with the CEO of Islamic budgeting and investing app Kestrl, Areeb Siddiqui about Zakat and the role of billionaires in Islam. comedy, talk, discussion, social issues, culture, contemporary, politics No Why Malaysian Food Gets No Respect (with Amirul Ruslan) 8 8 Why Malaysian Food Gets No Respect (with Amirul Ruslan) full 18efb112-0e41-4386-827e-73e502e10f68 https://share.transistor.fm/s/1c21d2aa Ask someone if they want a bowl of Pho or a plate of Pad Thai and they'll get all excited, but ask someone if they want Nasi Lemak and suddenly they're screaming "who are you?" and "how did you get into my house?". In this episode, we speak to food writer/journalist-turned-musician Amirul Ruslan to find out how Malaysian cuisine got left behind as its neighbors win Michelin stars and international acclaim abroad.

Social media links:

Amirul Ruslan
Twitter: @amirulruslan
Instagram: @amirulruslan
Spotify: HH The Archduke

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: https://twitter.com/Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne

]]> Ask someone if they want a bowl of Pho or a plate of Pad Thai and they'll get all excited, but ask someone if they want Nasi Lemak and suddenly they're screaming "who are you?" and "how did you get into my house?". In this episode, we speak to food writer/journalist-turned-musician Amirul Ruslan to find out how Malaysian cuisine got left behind as its neighbors win Michelin stars and international acclaim abroad.

Social media links:

Amirul Ruslan
Twitter: @amirulruslan
Instagram: @amirulruslan
Spotify: HH The Archduke

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: https://twitter.com/Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne

]]> Thu, 15 Apr 2021 10:00:00 +0800 Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi 2138 As we enter the month of Ramadhan and Iqbal gets FOMO from all the food he's missing out on back home, we speak to food writer/journalist Amirul Ruslan about why Malaysian food doesn't get as much love abroad as other cuisines from Southeast Asia. As we enter the month of Ramadhan and Iqbal gets FOMO from all the food he's missing out on back home, we speak to food writer/journalist Amirul Ruslan about why Malaysian food doesn't get as much love abroad as other cuisines from Southeast Asia. comedy, talk, discussion, social issues, culture, contemporary, politics No Incels (with Munira Mustaffa) 7 7 Incels (with Munira Mustaffa) full 855131d0-ed13-4c0c-9240-3b32fddd60cb https://share.transistor.fm/s/c7ab9d88 Following the shootings that resulted in 8 victims in Atlanta, Georgia, we speak to Munira Mustaffa about an internet subculture known as incels, and their evolution into a real-world threat, as well a surprising connection between incel violence in the US to Malaysia. Munira is a security practitioner and research fellow at Verve Research who was one of the first people in Malaysia to highlight right-wing extremism in terms of terrorism and political violence.

Social media links:

Munira Mustaffa
Twitter: @MuniraMustaffa

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: @Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne

]]> Following the shootings that resulted in 8 victims in Atlanta, Georgia, we speak to Munira Mustaffa about an internet subculture known as incels, and their evolution into a real-world threat, as well a surprising connection between incel violence in the US to Malaysia. Munira is a security practitioner and research fellow at Verve Research who was one of the first people in Malaysia to highlight right-wing extremism in terms of terrorism and political violence.

Social media links:

Munira Mustaffa
Twitter: @MuniraMustaffa

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: @Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne

]]> Tue, 23 Mar 2021 12:00:00 +0800 Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi 1907 3 Atlanta spas. 3 shootings. 8 dead, mostly Asians. As the events in Georgia come to light, many have described the shooter as belonging to a group of men who identify themselves as "involuntary celibates" or incels. We speak to Munira Mustaffa, a security practitioner, to find out more about this phenomenon and what we need to know about them. 3 Atlanta spas. 3 shootings. 8 dead, mostly Asians. As the events in Georgia come to light, many have described the shooter as belonging to a group of men who identify themselves as "involuntary celibates" or incels. We speak to Munira Mustaffa, a securit comedy, talk, discussion, social issues, culture, contemporary, politics No Why Some Women Uphold the Patriarchy (with Lynn Davies & Basem Talha) 6 6 Why Some Women Uphold the Patriarchy (with Lynn Davies & Basem Talha) full c5e0639e-1592-45ae-a491-5a20438134a5 https://share.transistor.fm/s/0480bbab Azielia and Iqbal speak to a researcher at the European Commission, Lynn Davies, and former Master's student at the International Islamic University of Malaysia, Basem Talha, about structures of patriarchy around the world, how they affect those living in them, and why some women uphold these structures at their own detriment.

Social media links:

Lynn Davies
Instagram: @Lynn_Marissa_

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: @Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne

]]> Azielia and Iqbal speak to a researcher at the European Commission, Lynn Davies, and former Master's student at the International Islamic University of Malaysia, Basem Talha, about structures of patriarchy around the world, how they affect those living in them, and why some women uphold these structures at their own detriment.

Social media links:

Lynn Davies
Instagram: @Lynn_Marissa_

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: @Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne

]]> Wed, 17 Mar 2021 10:00:00 +0800 Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi 2126 In conjunction with International Women's Month, Iqbal and Azielia speak to Lynn Davies, a Welsh/Malay born in the UK and currently residing in Belgium, as well as Basem Talha, an Egyptian brought up in the United States and Canada, about the different structures of patriarchy in different countries, and why some women in different cultures uphold their society's versions of it. In conjunction with International Women's Month, Iqbal and Azielia speak to Lynn Davies, a Welsh/Malay born in the UK and currently residing in Belgium, as well as Basem Talha, an Egyptian brought up in the United States and Canada, about the different st comedy, talk, discussion, social issues, culture, contemporary, politics No A Malaysian Game Theory (with Ooi Kok Hin) 5 5 A Malaysian Game Theory (with Ooi Kok Hin) full 1d4b8146-f9a8-4a91-818b-28c794c01257 https://share.transistor.fm/s/decab6cb We speak to former Penang Institute research analyst and current Waseda University graduate student, Ooi Kok Hin, about Game Theory - both literally while playing the popular online game Among Us, as well as academically, in analyzing game theory scenarios in Malaysian politics.

Social media links:

Ooi Kok Hin
Twitter: @CinaCakapMelayu
Podcast: @Duripod

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: @Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne

]]> We speak to former Penang Institute research analyst and current Waseda University graduate student, Ooi Kok Hin, about Game Theory - both literally while playing the popular online game Among Us, as well as academically, in analyzing game theory scenarios in Malaysian politics.

Social media links:

Ooi Kok Hin
Twitter: @CinaCakapMelayu
Podcast: @Duripod

Iqbal Fatkhi
Twitter: @Iqtodabal
Instagram: @Iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne

]]> Sat, 20 Feb 2021 12:00:00 +0800 Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi 1699 Iqbal and Azielia drags political analyst Ooi Kok Hin into analyzing strategies and game theories for playing Among Us, as well as wider lessons on how these theories might apply to real-life situations in Malaysian politics. Iqbal and Azielia drags political analyst Ooi Kok Hin into analyzing strategies and game theories for playing Among Us, as well as wider lessons on how these theories might apply to real-life situations in Malaysian politics. comedy, talk, discussion, social issues, culture, contemporary, politics No Incest (with Muzakir Xynll) 4 4 Incest (with Muzakir Xynll) full e0a97e9f-8114-4211-8c17-b7231b48fbaf https://share.transistor.fm/s/ccebfe99 Today's guest is Muzakir, a former stand-up comic and current comedy/improv sketch writer who joins Azielia and Iqbal to discuss incestuous relationships between family members and whether there might ever come a time when romantic relationships between siblings or parents and children become normalized, and maybe even one day, legalized.


Social media links:


Muzakir Xynll

Twitter: @mzkrx

Instagram: @mzkrx

Website: www.mzkrx.com

Patreon website: https://www.patreon.com/pinballmonkeys



Iqbal Fatkhi

instagram: @iqtodabal

Twitter: @iqtodabal 


Azielia Anne

Twitter: @azielianne 


If you’d like to get in touch with us, or have any ideas for topics or guest speakers that you'd like to hear more about, drop us an inbox at inbox@heshetheysay.com and you can also follow us on twitter @heshetheysay_


Till next time, bye! 

]]> Today's guest is Muzakir, a former stand-up comic and current comedy/improv sketch writer who joins Azielia and Iqbal to discuss incestuous relationships between family members and whether there might ever come a time when romantic relationships between siblings or parents and children become normalized, and maybe even one day, legalized.


Social media links:


Muzakir Xynll

Twitter: @mzkrx

Instagram: @mzkrx

Website: www.mzkrx.com

Patreon website: https://www.patreon.com/pinballmonkeys



Iqbal Fatkhi

instagram: @iqtodabal

Twitter: @iqtodabal 


Azielia Anne

Twitter: @azielianne 


If you’d like to get in touch with us, or have any ideas for topics or guest speakers that you'd like to hear more about, drop us an inbox at inbox@heshetheysay.com and you can also follow us on twitter @heshetheysay_


Till next time, bye! 

]]> Sat, 06 Feb 2021 13:06:48 +0800 Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi 2028 We join stand-up comic and sketch writer Muzakir Xynll, to talk about conservative opposition to non-traditional relationships, such as interracial and same-sex, and how that might relate to incestuous relationships. We join stand-up comic and sketch writer Muzakir Xynll, to talk about conservative opposition to non-traditional relationships, such as interracial and same-sex, and how that might relate to incestuous relationships. comedy, talk, discussion, social issues, culture, contemporary, politics Yes Who is Ian Miles Cheong? (with Sharrif Salleh) 3 3 Who is Ian Miles Cheong? (with Sharrif Salleh) full af918748-dffe-4843-bbf9-0e2ef87f28c1 https://share.transistor.fm/s/c7fc2332 Iqbal gets really excited in this episode as he and Sharrif Salleh, a former political researcher, discuss the journey of a Malaysian man from Ipoh, Ian Miles Cheong, going from internet notoriety as one of the first Reddit moderators to be banned from the site, to internet infamy as one of the most well known right-wing, conservative pundits on American politics, despite him not actually even living in America, not being American, and as some allege, never having even been to America.

Social media links:

Shariff Salleh
Twitter: @Sharrif
Instagram: @Sharrifb

Iqbal Fatkhi
instagram: @iqtodabal
Twitter: @iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne


If you’d like to get in touch with us, or have any ideas for topics or guest speakers that you'd like to hear more about, drop us an inbox at inbox@heshetheysay.com and you can also follow us on twitter @heshetheysay_


Thanks for listening! Till next time, Bye!

]]> Iqbal gets really excited in this episode as he and Sharrif Salleh, a former political researcher, discuss the journey of a Malaysian man from Ipoh, Ian Miles Cheong, going from internet notoriety as one of the first Reddit moderators to be banned from the site, to internet infamy as one of the most well known right-wing, conservative pundits on American politics, despite him not actually even living in America, not being American, and as some allege, never having even been to America.

Social media links:

Shariff Salleh
Twitter: @Sharrif
Instagram: @Sharrifb

Iqbal Fatkhi
instagram: @iqtodabal
Twitter: @iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne


If you’d like to get in touch with us, or have any ideas for topics or guest speakers that you'd like to hear more about, drop us an inbox at inbox@heshetheysay.com and you can also follow us on twitter @heshetheysay_


Thanks for listening! Till next time, Bye!

]]> Sat, 23 Jan 2021 10:00:00 +0800 Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi 1684 In conjunction with the departure of President Donald Trump from the White House this week, we chat with former political researcher Sharrif Salleh, about a right-wing, conservative political pundit named Ian Miles Cheong who regularly comments about American politics... despite not being American and having actually lived most of his life in Ipoh. In conjunction with the departure of President Donald Trump from the White House this week, we chat with former political researcher Sharrif Salleh, about a right-wing, conservative political pundit named Ian Miles Cheong who regularly comments about Amer comedy, talk, discussion, social issues, culture, contemporary, politics No K-Pop Fanaticism (with Shafiqah Othman) 2 2 K-Pop Fanaticism (with Shafiqah Othman) full 092e8f8a-ec14-4f09-948e-23c579202e5d https://share.transistor.fm/s/19527ffb Shafiqah Othman, a writer and artist who publishes on her own website, ShafiqahOthman.com, and on Medium. Shafiqah shares her experience going from avowed hatred of K-Pop, to mild acceptance, when she discovers her husband is a K-Pop fan himself, to full-fledged K-Pop fanaticism when she starts discovering her own passion for the genre which helped us understand why so many other fans have made the same journey, and how K-Pop managed to take over the world.

Social media links:

Shafiqah Othman
Twitter: @sfqomhz
Website: www.ShafiqahOthman.com

Iqbal Fatkhi
instagram: @iqtodabal
Twitter: @iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne


If you’d like to get in touch with us, or have any ideas for topics or guest speakers that you'd like to hear more about, drop us an inbox at inbox@heshetheysay.com and you can also follow us on twitter @heshetheysay_


Thanks for listening! Till next time, Bye!

]]> Shafiqah Othman, a writer and artist who publishes on her own website, ShafiqahOthman.com, and on Medium. Shafiqah shares her experience going from avowed hatred of K-Pop, to mild acceptance, when she discovers her husband is a K-Pop fan himself, to full-fledged K-Pop fanaticism when she starts discovering her own passion for the genre which helped us understand why so many other fans have made the same journey, and how K-Pop managed to take over the world.

Social media links:

Shafiqah Othman
Twitter: @sfqomhz
Website: www.ShafiqahOthman.com

Iqbal Fatkhi
instagram: @iqtodabal
Twitter: @iqtodabal

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne


If you’d like to get in touch with us, or have any ideas for topics or guest speakers that you'd like to hear more about, drop us an inbox at inbox@heshetheysay.com and you can also follow us on twitter @heshetheysay_


Thanks for listening! Till next time, Bye!

]]> Sat, 09 Jan 2021 10:00:00 +0800 Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi 1838 Your hosts Azielia and Iqbal decide to find out the obsession around K-Pop with self described K-Pop fanatic, Shafiqah Othman. Having previously been a K-Pop 'hater', Shafiqah was slowly converted when her husband introduced her to her first K-Pop experience before she fully spiraled down the K-Rabbithole. Come with us as we join the blogger/writer/artist on her journey to K-Fanaticism, to understand why so many have apparently made the journey too. Your hosts Azielia and Iqbal decide to find out the obsession around K-Pop with self described K-Pop fanatic, Shafiqah Othman. Having previously been a K-Pop 'hater', Shafiqah was slowly converted when her husband introduced her to her first K-Pop experie comedy, talk, discussion, social issues, culture, contemporary, politics No Mental Load (with Natasha Shazana) 1 1 Mental Load (with Natasha Shazana) full 0ec287ca-1e14-4abc-a58a-dbb709419e4e https://share.transistor.fm/s/d699a14f Welcoming our first guest to the podcast is Natasha Shazana, the founder of SOKO [as in soko(ng)], an intimate apparel brand based in Malaysia which prioritises comfort and real women representation. As a mother of two (cats), a wife of one (husband), and a daughter of an outstanding couple, Natasha is readjusting to the KL-life having moved here from the Big Apple (NYC). In this episode, Natasha shares her thoughts on a concept that we often face but seldom hear, the "mental load". Join your hosts, Iqbal and Azielia, and Natasha as they find out what the mental load is about, why so many couples still deal with this problem, and what the solution might be - even if there is a 100% chance some people might take this problem as just overthinking!

We would like to thank Natasha for revealing her secrets. 

Topics discussed in this episode are:

* What is the mental load?
* Why does it discriminate between genders?
* Why is there an expectation for some to take on a heavier mental load than others?
* The guest shares her personal experience on the matter 
* How do we overcome it?

Social media links:

Natasha Shazana
Instagram: @brapreneur 
Twitter: @brapreneur 

Iqbal Fatkhi
instagram: @iqtodabal
Twitter: @iqtodabal 

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne 


If you’d like to get in touch with us, or have any ideas for topics or guest speakers that you'd like to hear more about, drop us an inbox at inbox@heshetheysay.com and you can also follow us on twitter @heshetheysay_


Thanks for listening! Till next time, Bye!

]]> Welcoming our first guest to the podcast is Natasha Shazana, the founder of SOKO [as in soko(ng)], an intimate apparel brand based in Malaysia which prioritises comfort and real women representation. As a mother of two (cats), a wife of one (husband), and a daughter of an outstanding couple, Natasha is readjusting to the KL-life having moved here from the Big Apple (NYC). In this episode, Natasha shares her thoughts on a concept that we often face but seldom hear, the "mental load". Join your hosts, Iqbal and Azielia, and Natasha as they find out what the mental load is about, why so many couples still deal with this problem, and what the solution might be - even if there is a 100% chance some people might take this problem as just overthinking!

We would like to thank Natasha for revealing her secrets. 

Topics discussed in this episode are:

* What is the mental load?
* Why does it discriminate between genders?
* Why is there an expectation for some to take on a heavier mental load than others?
* The guest shares her personal experience on the matter 
* How do we overcome it?

Social media links:

Natasha Shazana
Instagram: @brapreneur 
Twitter: @brapreneur 

Iqbal Fatkhi
instagram: @iqtodabal
Twitter: @iqtodabal 

Azielia Anne
Twitter: @azielianne 


If you’d like to get in touch with us, or have any ideas for topics or guest speakers that you'd like to hear more about, drop us an inbox at inbox@heshetheysay.com and you can also follow us on twitter @heshetheysay_


Thanks for listening! Till next time, Bye!

]]> Fri, 25 Dec 2020 07:23:53 +0800 Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi Azielia Anne & Iqbal Fatkhi 1746 We discuss the concept of the “mental load” with Natasha Shazana, who not only has a family to feed, but also two feline dependents and a startup she plans to launch in 2021. Iqbal and Azielia chat with her as she shares her experience cooking dinner while juggling 3 other household responsibilities at the same time only to be told, "you should have asked me to help!" We discuss the concept of the “mental load” with Natasha Shazana, who not only has a family to feed, but also two feline dependents and a startup she plans to launch in 2021. Iqbal and Azielia chat with her as she shares her experience cooking dinner whil comedy, discussion, mental load, dumb bitches No