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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we explore digital transformation in environments where the stakes couldn’t be higher. In healthcare, cyber security isn’t just about protecting systems or data – it’s about protecting lives.</p><p>Our guest is Hammond Reddie, Chief Information Security Officer at Spire Healthcare, the UK’s second largest private healthcare provider. Before joining Spire in January 2025, Hammond was CTO at University Hospitals Birmingham NHS Foundation Trust, where he managed a £60 million technology budget and built one of the NHS’s largest cyber security teams. His career spans database vulnerability and compliance at Barclays, CTO roles in fleet technology and NHS healthcare, and now security leadership in private healthcare.</p><p>It’s an unusual and powerful career path, one that gives Hammond a rare perspective on how different sectors approach risk, resilience and transformation.</p><p>In this episode, we cover:</p><ul><li>Balancing innovation with security and compliance</li><li>Defending as one: lessons from the NHS</li><li>People before technology</li><li>From finance to frontline care</li><li>When failure costs lives</li><li>Boardrooms, budgets and hard truths</li><li>Third-party risk and smarter procurement</li><li>Minimum viable business in a black swan event</li></ul><p>🎧 Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.<br>📌 Check out our website at: <a href="https://www.dtxevents.io/">Digital Transformation EXPO (DTX) | London &amp; Manchester Tech Events</a> <br>🔗 Connect with Hammond on LinkedIn: <a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/hammond-reddie-8b64203/">Hammond Reddie | LinkedIn</a> </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of DTX Unplugged, Sarah Leteney, Group CIO at Urenco, discusses the challenges and strategies of digital transformation in the highly regulated nuclear sector. She emphasises the importance of cultural considerations, the impact of AI, and the need for diversity and inclusion in the workplace. Sarah shares insights on attracting talent, particularly younger generations, and highlights the significance of neurodiversity initiatives within the organisation. </p><p>The conversation concludes with advice for leaders embarking on their transformation journeys, focusing on the importance of co-creation and prioritising impactful changes. </p><p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p><ul><li>AI is a significant challenge for business leaders today</li><li>Cultural aspects are critical in technology adoption</li><li>Transformation requires collaboration across departments</li><li>Nuclear energy is experiencing a resurgence in interest</li><li>Attracting younger talent is essential for the nuclear sector</li><li>Diversity and inclusion initiatives are vital for organisational success</li><li>Neurodiversity networks can enhance workplace culture</li><li>Job sharing and flexible hours can support diverse needs</li><li>Leadership commitment is crucial for successful transformation</li><li>Focus on impactful changes rather than overplanning</li></ul><p>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.</strong><br>📌 <strong>Check out our website at </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/4fkdCSa"><strong>dtxevents.io</strong></a><br>🔗 <strong>Connect with Sarah on </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-leteney-4809841/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of DTX Unplugged, Sarah Leteney, Group CIO at Urenco, discusses the challenges and strategies of digital transformation in the highly regulated nuclear sector. She emphasises the importance of cultural considerations, the impact of AI, and the need for diversity and inclusion in the workplace. Sarah shares insights on attracting talent, particularly younger generations, and highlights the significance of neurodiversity initiatives within the organisation. </p><p>The conversation concludes with advice for leaders embarking on their transformation journeys, focusing on the importance of co-creation and prioritising impactful changes. </p><p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p><ul><li>AI is a significant challenge for business leaders today</li><li>Cultural aspects are critical in technology adoption</li><li>Transformation requires collaboration across departments</li><li>Nuclear energy is experiencing a resurgence in interest</li><li>Attracting younger talent is essential for the nuclear sector</li><li>Diversity and inclusion initiatives are vital for organisational success</li><li>Neurodiversity networks can enhance workplace culture</li><li>Job sharing and flexible hours can support diverse needs</li><li>Leadership commitment is crucial for successful transformation</li><li>Focus on impactful changes rather than overplanning</li></ul><p>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.</strong><br>📌 <strong>Check out our website at </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/4fkdCSa"><strong>dtxevents.io</strong></a><br>🔗 <strong>Connect with Sarah on </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/sarah-leteney-4809841/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Fri, 02 Jan 2026 11:38:10 +0000</pubDate>
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      <title>Neurodiversity, Gaming, and the Next Generation of Cybersecurity</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Fergus Hay, CEO &amp; Co-Founder of The Hacking Games explores the fascinating overlap between gaming, cybersecurity, and the power of neurodivergent minds. Recorded live at DTX London 2025, join Fergus and DTX Unplugged hosts <strong>Ollie Pickup </strong>and<strong> Sabrina Berko</strong> in solving one of today’s biggest challenges - the cyber talent gap.</p><p>From shocking stats about youth cybercrime to the inspiring mission behind <strong>The Hacking Games</strong>, Fergus discusses how to turn potential offenders into ethical defenders. He shares insights on why young hackers are driven by recognition and competition, how businesses can better identify unconventional talent, and why parents and educators play a crucial role in nurturing digital curiosity.</p><p>The conversation also unpacks the cultural shifts needed to make cybersecurity “cool,” the right way to approach AI as a tool rather than a goal, and how early engagement can shape the next generation of ethical hackers.</p><p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p><ul><li>61% of cybercrime suspects started hacking before age 16</li><li>The Hacking Games is redirecting young hackers toward ethical careers</li><li>Neurodivergent minds bring unique, high-speed problem-solving skills</li><li>AI should be treated as an enabler, not an endpoint</li><li>Cybersecurity needs rebranding - it’s the new cool</li><li>Parents, educators, and businesses all have a role to play</li></ul><p>This is one of our most <strong>powerful </strong>episodes yet.</p><p><br></p><p><em>🎙️</em> <strong>Catch this special episode that was recorded LIVE at DTX London 2025!<br></strong>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.</strong><br>📌 <strong>Check out our website at </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/4fkdCSa"><strong>dtxevents.io</strong></a><br>🔗 <strong>Connect with Fergus on </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/fergus-hay-013a41/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Fergus Hay, CEO &amp; Co-Founder of The Hacking Games explores the fascinating overlap between gaming, cybersecurity, and the power of neurodivergent minds. Recorded live at DTX London 2025, join Fergus and DTX Unplugged hosts <strong>Ollie Pickup </strong>and<strong> Sabrina Berko</strong> in solving one of today’s biggest challenges - the cyber talent gap.</p><p>From shocking stats about youth cybercrime to the inspiring mission behind <strong>The Hacking Games</strong>, Fergus discusses how to turn potential offenders into ethical defenders. He shares insights on why young hackers are driven by recognition and competition, how businesses can better identify unconventional talent, and why parents and educators play a crucial role in nurturing digital curiosity.</p><p>The conversation also unpacks the cultural shifts needed to make cybersecurity “cool,” the right way to approach AI as a tool rather than a goal, and how early engagement can shape the next generation of ethical hackers.</p><p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p><ul><li>61% of cybercrime suspects started hacking before age 16</li><li>The Hacking Games is redirecting young hackers toward ethical careers</li><li>Neurodivergent minds bring unique, high-speed problem-solving skills</li><li>AI should be treated as an enabler, not an endpoint</li><li>Cybersecurity needs rebranding - it’s the new cool</li><li>Parents, educators, and businesses all have a role to play</li></ul><p>This is one of our most <strong>powerful </strong>episodes yet.</p><p><br></p><p><em>🎙️</em> <strong>Catch this special episode that was recorded LIVE at DTX London 2025!<br></strong>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.</strong><br>📌 <strong>Check out our website at </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/4fkdCSa"><strong>dtxevents.io</strong></a><br>🔗 <strong>Connect with Fergus on </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/fergus-hay-013a41/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, Fergus Hay, CEO &amp; Co-Founder of The Hacking Games explores the fascinating overlap between gaming, cybersecurity, and the power of neurodivergent minds. Recorded live at DTX London 2025, join Fergus and DTX Unplugged hosts <strong>Ollie Pickup </strong>and<strong> Sabrina Berko</strong> in solving one of today’s biggest challenges - the cyber talent gap.</p><p>From shocking stats about youth cybercrime to the inspiring mission behind <strong>The Hacking Games</strong>, Fergus discusses how to turn potential offenders into ethical defenders. He shares insights on why young hackers are driven by recognition and competition, how businesses can better identify unconventional talent, and why parents and educators play a crucial role in nurturing digital curiosity.</p><p>The conversation also unpacks the cultural shifts needed to make cybersecurity “cool,” the right way to approach AI as a tool rather than a goal, and how early engagement can shape the next generation of ethical hackers.</p><p><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p><ul><li>61% of cybercrime suspects started hacking before age 16</li><li>The Hacking Games is redirecting young hackers toward ethical careers</li><li>Neurodivergent minds bring unique, high-speed problem-solving skills</li><li>AI should be treated as an enabler, not an endpoint</li><li>Cybersecurity needs rebranding - it’s the new cool</li><li>Parents, educators, and businesses all have a role to play</li></ul><p>This is one of our most <strong>powerful </strong>episodes yet.</p><p><br></p><p><em>🎙️</em> <strong>Catch this special episode that was recorded LIVE at DTX London 2025!<br></strong>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.</strong><br>📌 <strong>Check out our website at </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/4fkdCSa"><strong>dtxevents.io</strong></a><br>🔗 <strong>Connect with Fergus on </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/fergus-hay-013a41/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>]]>
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      <title>Balancing Change and Continuity: Gina Gill on Leading Real Transformation</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <strong>DTX Unplugged</strong>, hosts <strong>Ollie Pickup </strong>and<strong> Sabrina Berko</strong> sat down with <strong>Gina Gill</strong>, <strong>Chief Information Officer at Apollo</strong>, live at DTX London 2025 to unpack the realities of digital transformation across both public and private sectors.</p><p>Together, they explore what it really means to transform while keeping the business running, why curiosity and learning are non-negotiable leadership traits, and how focusing on user needs - not just shiny new tech - can make or break transformation efforts. Gina also shares her perspective on why the insurance industry is such an exciting, data-driven space, offers examples of meaningful transformation done right, and leaves business leaders with practical advice for navigating the messy middle of change!</p><p><br><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p><ul><li>Transformation is about keeping operations running while evolving</li><li>The term “transformation” is broad - clarity of purpose is essential</li><li>Superficial fixes (“lipstick on a pig”) won’t solve structural issues</li><li>Curiosity and continuous learning are critical for effective leadership</li><li>Too many organisations focus on tech instead of user needs</li><li>Learning velocity helps teams adapt faster to change</li><li>Sometimes, “boring” services drive the greatest efficiency</li><li>The insurance sector is inherently data-driven and ripe for innovation</li><li>Leaders should define a clear vision anchored in user outcomes</li><li>Adaptability is key to thriving through transformation</li></ul>“<em>You can’t pause business-as-usual to transform. The real challenge is keeping the lights on while changing how everything works.</em>” – Gina Gill<p><em><br>🎙️</em> <strong>Catch this special episode that was recorded LIVE at DTX London 2025! <br></strong>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.</strong><br>📌 <strong>Check out our website at </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/4fkdCSa"><strong>dtxevents.io</strong></a><br>🔗 <strong>Connect with Gina on </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/theginagill/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <strong>DTX Unplugged</strong>, hosts <strong>Ollie Pickup </strong>and<strong> Sabrina Berko</strong> sat down with <strong>Gina Gill</strong>, <strong>Chief Information Officer at Apollo</strong>, live at DTX London 2025 to unpack the realities of digital transformation across both public and private sectors.</p><p>Together, they explore what it really means to transform while keeping the business running, why curiosity and learning are non-negotiable leadership traits, and how focusing on user needs - not just shiny new tech - can make or break transformation efforts. Gina also shares her perspective on why the insurance industry is such an exciting, data-driven space, offers examples of meaningful transformation done right, and leaves business leaders with practical advice for navigating the messy middle of change!</p><p><br><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p><ul><li>Transformation is about keeping operations running while evolving</li><li>The term “transformation” is broad - clarity of purpose is essential</li><li>Superficial fixes (“lipstick on a pig”) won’t solve structural issues</li><li>Curiosity and continuous learning are critical for effective leadership</li><li>Too many organisations focus on tech instead of user needs</li><li>Learning velocity helps teams adapt faster to change</li><li>Sometimes, “boring” services drive the greatest efficiency</li><li>The insurance sector is inherently data-driven and ripe for innovation</li><li>Leaders should define a clear vision anchored in user outcomes</li><li>Adaptability is key to thriving through transformation</li></ul>“<em>You can’t pause business-as-usual to transform. The real challenge is keeping the lights on while changing how everything works.</em>” – Gina Gill<p><em><br>🎙️</em> <strong>Catch this special episode that was recorded LIVE at DTX London 2025! <br></strong>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.</strong><br>📌 <strong>Check out our website at </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/4fkdCSa"><strong>dtxevents.io</strong></a><br>🔗 <strong>Connect with Gina on </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/theginagill/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2025 16:40:31 +0100</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode of <strong>DTX Unplugged</strong>, hosts <strong>Ollie Pickup </strong>and<strong> Sabrina Berko</strong> sat down with <strong>Gina Gill</strong>, <strong>Chief Information Officer at Apollo</strong>, live at DTX London 2025 to unpack the realities of digital transformation across both public and private sectors.</p><p>Together, they explore what it really means to transform while keeping the business running, why curiosity and learning are non-negotiable leadership traits, and how focusing on user needs - not just shiny new tech - can make or break transformation efforts. Gina also shares her perspective on why the insurance industry is such an exciting, data-driven space, offers examples of meaningful transformation done right, and leaves business leaders with practical advice for navigating the messy middle of change!</p><p><br><strong>Key Takeaways:</strong></p><ul><li>Transformation is about keeping operations running while evolving</li><li>The term “transformation” is broad - clarity of purpose is essential</li><li>Superficial fixes (“lipstick on a pig”) won’t solve structural issues</li><li>Curiosity and continuous learning are critical for effective leadership</li><li>Too many organisations focus on tech instead of user needs</li><li>Learning velocity helps teams adapt faster to change</li><li>Sometimes, “boring” services drive the greatest efficiency</li><li>The insurance sector is inherently data-driven and ripe for innovation</li><li>Leaders should define a clear vision anchored in user outcomes</li><li>Adaptability is key to thriving through transformation</li></ul>“<em>You can’t pause business-as-usual to transform. The real challenge is keeping the lights on while changing how everything works.</em>” – Gina Gill<p><em><br>🎙️</em> <strong>Catch this special episode that was recorded LIVE at DTX London 2025! <br></strong>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.</strong><br>📌 <strong>Check out our website at </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/4fkdCSa"><strong>dtxevents.io</strong></a><br>🔗 <strong>Connect with Gina on </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/theginagill/"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>]]>
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      <title>From Counter-Terrorism to Cybersecurity: Leading with Purpose in a Turbulent World</title>
      <itunes:episode>2</itunes:episode>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this powerful episode of <strong>DTX Unplugged</strong>, we sit down with <strong>Kam Karaji</strong>, Cybersecurity Director at the <strong>NFL</strong>, whose extraordinary career journey spans from counter-terrorism operations as a decorated police officer, to protecting global digital infrastructure for some of the world's biggest brands.</p><p>Now one of the <strong>Wall Street Journal’s top 140 CISOs</strong>, Kam opens up about what real leadership looks like under pressure - and why building resilient teams means starting with empathy, not technology.</p><p>Join hosts <strong>Sabrina Berko</strong> and <strong>Ollie Pickup</strong> as they explore:</p><ul><li>Why the biggest transformation challenge is balancing pace with resilience</li><li>The problem with “tech-first” thinking - and how to flip the script</li><li>How tactical police training translates into cyber incident leadership</li><li>Kam’s people-first approach to leadership through life-altering health challenges</li><li>How to calculate the ROI of risk in an uncertain geopolitical climate</li><li>Turning young hackers into cyber defenders through restorative approaches</li><li>Practical steps to build inclusive, psychologically safe security cultures</li><li>Kam’s one piece of advice for leaders about to start their transformation journey</li></ul><p>👉 <em>“Security is about people - not just protocols. If you get the people right, the processes and technology will follow.” – Kam Karaji</em></p><p>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.<br> 💻 Register for our upcoming DTX London event, taking place on 1-2 October </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/46zgXdz"><strong>here</strong></a><br>📌 <strong>Check out our website at </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/4fkdCSa"><strong>dtxevents.io</strong></a><br>🔗 <strong>Connect with Kam on </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kamkaraji/?originalSubdomain=uk"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this powerful episode of <strong>DTX Unplugged</strong>, we sit down with <strong>Kam Karaji</strong>, Cybersecurity Director at the <strong>NFL</strong>, whose extraordinary career journey spans from counter-terrorism operations as a decorated police officer, to protecting global digital infrastructure for some of the world's biggest brands.</p><p>Now one of the <strong>Wall Street Journal’s top 140 CISOs</strong>, Kam opens up about what real leadership looks like under pressure - and why building resilient teams means starting with empathy, not technology.</p><p>Join hosts <strong>Sabrina Berko</strong> and <strong>Ollie Pickup</strong> as they explore:</p><ul><li>Why the biggest transformation challenge is balancing pace with resilience</li><li>The problem with “tech-first” thinking - and how to flip the script</li><li>How tactical police training translates into cyber incident leadership</li><li>Kam’s people-first approach to leadership through life-altering health challenges</li><li>How to calculate the ROI of risk in an uncertain geopolitical climate</li><li>Turning young hackers into cyber defenders through restorative approaches</li><li>Practical steps to build inclusive, psychologically safe security cultures</li><li>Kam’s one piece of advice for leaders about to start their transformation journey</li></ul><p>👉 <em>“Security is about people - not just protocols. If you get the people right, the processes and technology will follow.” – Kam Karaji</em></p><p>🎧 <strong>Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.<br> 💻 Register for our upcoming DTX London event, taking place on 1-2 October </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/46zgXdz"><strong>here</strong></a><br>📌 <strong>Check out our website at </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/4fkdCSa"><strong>dtxevents.io</strong></a><br>🔗 <strong>Connect with Kam on </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/kamkaraji/?originalSubdomain=uk"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2025 14:24:57 +0100</pubDate>
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      <title>Transformation Begins with People: Nick Hodder on Humanising Digital Change</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the very first episode of <strong>DTX Unplugged</strong>, the podcast that gets to the heart of business evolution. Hosted by <strong><em>Sabrina Berko</em></strong>, Head of Content at Clarion Events, and <strong><em>Ollie Pickup</em></strong>, award-winning technology and business journalist, each episode shines a light on the leaders and change-makers reshaping how organisations approach transformation.</p><p>We’re kicking things off in style with <strong>Nick Hodder</strong>, Director of Digital Transformation and Engagement at the <strong>Imperial War Museums (IWM)</strong>.</p><p>Nick’s unconventional journey - from leaving school at 16 to leading digital strategy for one of the UK’s most respected heritage institutions - is a masterclass in adaptability. With experience at brands like Microsoft, Google and British Airways, he’s now on a mission to humanise digital transformation at IWM, using cutting-edge AI to unlock insights from 11 million historic images.</p><p><br>In this episode, Nick joins Sabrina and Ollie to discuss:</p><ul><li>Why transformation starts with people - not technology</li><li>The danger of “the tech-first trap” and how to avoid it</li><li>Using AI with a human-centred mindset in high-trust institutions</li><li>How heritage organisations can teach commercial businesses to stay adaptable</li><li>Building psychologically safe, change-ready teams through radical candour</li><li>What Blockbuster and Kodak can teach us about purpose-led innovation</li><li>Why finding your ‘why’ is more vital than ever in the age of AI</li></ul><p>If you’re leading or implementing digital transformation, this episode is packed with practical wisdom, brilliant metaphors, and thought-provoking insights.</p><p>👉 <em>“Now is the time to build communities of like-minded professionals. Go talk to your peers, figure out what you don’t want to do as much as what you do.” - Nick Hodder</em></p><p> 🎧 <strong>Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.<br> 💻 Register for our upcoming DTX London event, taking place on 1-2 October </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/46zgXdz"><strong>here</strong></a> <br> 📌 <strong>Check out our website at </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/4fkdCSa"><strong>dtxevents.io</strong></a><br> 🔗 <strong>Connect with Nick on </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-hodder"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the very first episode of <strong>DTX Unplugged</strong>, the podcast that gets to the heart of business evolution. Hosted by <strong><em>Sabrina Berko</em></strong>, Head of Content at Clarion Events, and <strong><em>Ollie Pickup</em></strong>, award-winning technology and business journalist, each episode shines a light on the leaders and change-makers reshaping how organisations approach transformation.</p><p>We’re kicking things off in style with <strong>Nick Hodder</strong>, Director of Digital Transformation and Engagement at the <strong>Imperial War Museums (IWM)</strong>.</p><p>Nick’s unconventional journey - from leaving school at 16 to leading digital strategy for one of the UK’s most respected heritage institutions - is a masterclass in adaptability. With experience at brands like Microsoft, Google and British Airways, he’s now on a mission to humanise digital transformation at IWM, using cutting-edge AI to unlock insights from 11 million historic images.</p><p><br>In this episode, Nick joins Sabrina and Ollie to discuss:</p><ul><li>Why transformation starts with people - not technology</li><li>The danger of “the tech-first trap” and how to avoid it</li><li>Using AI with a human-centred mindset in high-trust institutions</li><li>How heritage organisations can teach commercial businesses to stay adaptable</li><li>Building psychologically safe, change-ready teams through radical candour</li><li>What Blockbuster and Kodak can teach us about purpose-led innovation</li><li>Why finding your ‘why’ is more vital than ever in the age of AI</li></ul><p>If you’re leading or implementing digital transformation, this episode is packed with practical wisdom, brilliant metaphors, and thought-provoking insights.</p><p>👉 <em>“Now is the time to build communities of like-minded professionals. Go talk to your peers, figure out what you don’t want to do as much as what you do.” - Nick Hodder</em></p><p> 🎧 <strong>Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.<br> 💻 Register for our upcoming DTX London event, taking place on 1-2 October </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/46zgXdz"><strong>here</strong></a> <br> 📌 <strong>Check out our website at </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/4fkdCSa"><strong>dtxevents.io</strong></a><br> 🔗 <strong>Connect with Nick on </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-hodder"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the very first episode of <strong>DTX Unplugged</strong>, the podcast that gets to the heart of business evolution. Hosted by <strong><em>Sabrina Berko</em></strong>, Head of Content at Clarion Events, and <strong><em>Ollie Pickup</em></strong>, award-winning technology and business journalist, each episode shines a light on the leaders and change-makers reshaping how organisations approach transformation.</p><p>We’re kicking things off in style with <strong>Nick Hodder</strong>, Director of Digital Transformation and Engagement at the <strong>Imperial War Museums (IWM)</strong>.</p><p>Nick’s unconventional journey - from leaving school at 16 to leading digital strategy for one of the UK’s most respected heritage institutions - is a masterclass in adaptability. With experience at brands like Microsoft, Google and British Airways, he’s now on a mission to humanise digital transformation at IWM, using cutting-edge AI to unlock insights from 11 million historic images.</p><p><br>In this episode, Nick joins Sabrina and Ollie to discuss:</p><ul><li>Why transformation starts with people - not technology</li><li>The danger of “the tech-first trap” and how to avoid it</li><li>Using AI with a human-centred mindset in high-trust institutions</li><li>How heritage organisations can teach commercial businesses to stay adaptable</li><li>Building psychologically safe, change-ready teams through radical candour</li><li>What Blockbuster and Kodak can teach us about purpose-led innovation</li><li>Why finding your ‘why’ is more vital than ever in the age of AI</li></ul><p>If you’re leading or implementing digital transformation, this episode is packed with practical wisdom, brilliant metaphors, and thought-provoking insights.</p><p>👉 <em>“Now is the time to build communities of like-minded professionals. Go talk to your peers, figure out what you don’t want to do as much as what you do.” - Nick Hodder</em></p><p> 🎧 <strong>Listen now on Apple Podcasts, Spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.<br> 💻 Register for our upcoming DTX London event, taking place on 1-2 October </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/46zgXdz"><strong>here</strong></a> <br> 📌 <strong>Check out our website at </strong><a href="https://bit.ly/4fkdCSa"><strong>dtxevents.io</strong></a><br> 🔗 <strong>Connect with Nick on </strong><a href="https://www.linkedin.com/in/nick-hodder"><strong>LinkedIn</strong></a></p>]]>
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