In this conversation, Chris Detzel and Drew (Tanium teammates and fellow distance runners) get into the nuts and bolts of building real marathon fitness on limited time. Drew opens up about leaving structured coaching to design his own plans, why he caps mileage around 70-90 per week, and how altitude in Flagstaff changes everything — including measurable shifts in red blood cell count and ferritin after just three weeks at 7,000 feet.

We cover: 
→ Drew's journey from no athletic background to 2:28 marathoner 
→ Why "running by feel" beat structured pace-chasing for him 
→ The Berlin Marathon: pre-race nerves, hip flexor niggles, negative splitting through 50,000 people 
→ Self-coaching vs hiring a coach — the real tradeoffs → Why strength training prevents most running injuries 
→ ChatGPT coaches, AI training plans, and the value of human mentorship 
→ Coming back from September hernia surgery for a Chicago Marathon fall goal 
→ Heat training in Texas vs altitude in Arizona 
→ Why community matters even when you train alone

A grounded, honest conversation between two working runners who balance demanding corporate careers, family life, and serious training goals.

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He's also the rare runner willing to tell on himself: in this episode, Nick shares the full story of banditing Boston, getting caught, and the suspension that followed — a cautionary tale he now uses to warn other runners.

Chris Detzel and Nick cover everything from the early DRC days, the legendary "3:20 or Bust" Runner's World forum, training Nicole Bitter for her first 50-miler at Palo Duro, the super shoe revolution, and what it actually takes to stay motivated for two decades of running.

If you've ever run at White Rock Lake, lined up at Plano Pacers, or wondered what the DFW running scene looked like before Pegasus existed — this is the episode.

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In this conversation, Chris and Scott trace the whole journey — from a lonely job transfer to West Palm Beach that accidentally ignited a running obsession, to a 4:33 first marathon that stung enough to spawn a second attempt just 12 weeks later (and nearly an hour faster). Scott talks honestly about what it felt like to finally stand on the Boston start line, what it took to drop from 3:38 to 3:09, and why the running community — not the miles — is the whole point.

They also dig into the WRRC's famous "run my hood" summer tradition, two knee surgeries and the stubborn determination to pace a race right after recovery, what Ironman training actually does to your body and your soul, and Scott's now-iconic Gatorade bottle pre-race bathroom strategy that belongs in the runner's hall of fame.

Scott is marathon-retired, officially. But if Tokyo calls — or one of his kids wants company at the start line — all bets are off.

A great listen for anyone who started running late, anyone who's part of a running community, and honestly anyone who just loves hearing from a guy who's been quietly putting in the work for two decades.

In this episode, Chris sits down with Sergio to talk about his journey from Spain to Kentucky to Texas, his years-long quest to win the BMW Dallas Half Marathon (which he finally achieved in December 2025), and how he followed it up with a win at the Cowtown Half Marathon. Sergio also tells the incredible story of how running literally got him his job — thanks to a Dallas Morning News article before the 2019 BMW Half.

Topics include D1 college running, self-coached training, balancing racing with a full-time career, race strategy, and what keeps you lacing up when you've already hit your biggest goal.

A great episode for DFW runners, half marathon fans, and anyone who runs because they just love it.

We caught up with Nathan the day before the 2026 Boston Marathon at the Hilton Boston Park Plaza. He talks about growing up in Plano, wrestling and cross country being the sports "that didn't have a size limitation," coaching college wrestlers while training for marathons himself, and why having a goal race keeps him honest as a coach.

Inspired by the memory of a former manager named Alex who ran alongside her on her worst training days, Jana set a single condition: if she was going to run again, she had to qualify for Boston. What followed was nine marathons, a pair of shoes that literally fell apart mid-race, a heartbreaking near-miss on the cutoff, and finally — a 3:19 at the Mountain to Beach Marathon in Ventura, California.

This is her first Boston, and she's running every mile with Alex's name on her shirt.

We sat down with Jana at the Hilton Boston Park Plaza the day before the race. Don't miss this one.

Recorded live at the Hilton Boston Park Plaza during 2026 Boston Marathon weekend, this conversation with Chris Detzel is raw, emotional, and deeply motivating. Kathy talks about what it meant to help wheelchair athletes at the finish line, why she never chased a BQ, and the corner near the medical tent she plans to run to the moment she crosses Boylston Street.

If you've ever wondered whether it's too late to start running or too big a dream to reach Boston — Kathy's story is your answer.

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And it all started with a mastiff who wouldn't let him quit. Alan opens up about finding community through Dallas Running Club and White Rock Running Co-op, getting his Boston Qualifier with the help of a stranger who took his watch mid-race, and what it truly means to run Boston year after year — not for the time, but for the people. This is the final episode before race day, April 20, 2026. If you're running Boston, chasing a BQ, or just love stories about why running changes lives — this one's for you.

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In this episode, Angela talks about balancing marathon training with a big family, hiring a coach for the first time, and why investing in yourself is one of the best lessons you can pass on to your kids.

Part of the Boston Bound: DFW's Road to Hopkinton series — 10+ DFW runners, one iconic race.

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In this episode, the Army veteran and Dallas-based runner shares his full journey: a near-miss BQ at Big Sur (2:57 when he needed 2:55), finding the Nebraska State Marathon as his secret weapon, peaking at 100 miles per week with Addison Circle Running Club, and why he's running Boston with no music — just pure vibes, the Wellesley Scream Tunnel, and a turn down Boylston Street.

This episode is part of our Boston Bound: DFW's Road to Hopkinton series, featuring DFW runners chasing the 2026 Boston Marathon on April 20th.

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But her story isn't just about streaks and finish lines. Carrie's first Boston was 2013 — the bombing year. She crossed the finish line six minutes before the explosions. In this episode, she opens up about what it felt like to be there that day, why it made her more determined than ever to come back, and how that single race shaped everything that followed.

At 66, she's still chasing sub-4. She still qualifies at Boston almost every year. And she's already signed up for 2027 to chase number 15.

We talk about the Rockwall Running Club community that's grown around her Boston streak, the Boston Buddies run club, pre-race church services and blessings of the athletes, the Unicorn Club experience, and her number one piece of advice for first-timers: respect those first downhill miles — they will come back to haunt you.

If you've ever dreamed of Boston, or you're already in the middle of your own streak, this one's for you.

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Jane opens up about her favorite race week rituals — the Tracksmith shakeout run that reunites the entire DFW running community, revisiting the Boston neighborhood where she lived for four years, and the insider moves that make race weekend special. She also delivers straight-talk advice on taper, race week nutrition, managing the expo on your legs, and running whatever weather Boston decides to throw at you.

If you're chasing your first BQ, heading to Hopkinton for the first time, or already a Boston veteran, Jane's story and race week wisdom will resonate.

Topics covered: How to qualify for Boston Marathon · Boston Marathon race week tips · DFW runners at Boston · Tracksmith shakeout run · Boston Marathon taper advice · Craig Ranch Allen TX running group

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In Episode 2 of our Boston Marathon Special, the Dallas-area runner shares how he's heading to Hopkinton this April to push his friend Scott — a graduate school buddy living with ALS — in a wheelchair across all 26.2 miles of the Boston Marathon course.

Tats walks us through his running journey, from his first Boston in 2011 to rediscovering his passion after moving to Dallas in 2014 and training with the local running community. But the heart of this episode is Scott — the friend he always joked would one day run Boston — and the promise Tats made to get him there.

They ran the 2025 Marine Corps Marathon together in 3:08 as their proof of concept. Now Boston is next.

If you've ever run for something bigger than a finish time, this episode is for you.

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In this episode, the Dallas-Fort Worth runner and member of the DFW Running Club shares how he went from casual jogger to Boston Marathon regular, including qualifying for his very first marathon with just 26 days of training and then racing Boston the following year with two fractured vertebrae.

Tre takes us through 16 years of Boston memories — the scorching 83° race, the year Meb won, the 2013 bombing, and missing his PR by one second in the rain. His Boston best is 3:14 and his overall marathon PR is 3:10, set at Tokyo.

Now 62, Tre trains every other day, prioritizes strength work, and has his sights set on the Quarter Century Club — 25 straight Boston finishes. Five weeks after Boston 2026, he'll race the Age Group World Championship in Cape Town.

This is episode 1 of Road to Boylston — a 10-part daily series featuring DFW runners heading to the 2026 Boston Marathon.

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At her peak, McKale was running 2:34 marathons, chasing Olympic Trials qualifying standards by seconds, and competing against the best women in the country. Then in 2022, her right leg stopped working mid-run. No warning. No explanation.

After three and a half years, dozens of doctors, MRIs, and dead ends, she was finally diagnosed with runner's dystonia — one of only 48 confirmed cases in the United States.

In this episode, McKale and host Chris Detzel cover:

• Growing up in rural Oklahoma and running 7 miles a day to make a basketball team
• Earning a full scholarship to run at TCU and winning a conference championship
• Running a 2:48 in her first Chicago Marathon while targeting the Olympic Trials
• The Woodlands Marathon disqualification — what may have been the fastest 26 miles of her life
• Her runner's dystonia diagnosis and the experimental medication with a 3-hour half-life
• Training 90-100 miles a week on a treadmill to maintain her balance
• Winning the Cowtown 50K outright — beating every man and every woman — in her first-ever ultra

This is a story about resilience, ego (her word), and what it means to keep running when your body fights back.

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50k, 25k, 10k and 5k

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April 4th, 2026

Marion Sansom Park

2501 Roberts Cut Off Rd,

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But the story behind that time is what makes this episode unmissable. Ryan was a 
4:23 miler in high school in Baton Rouge, Louisiana — a state qualifier who burned 
out from overtraining without an aerobic base. He walked away from running for years. 
Then he moved to Dallas in 2021, got reinspired, linked up with coach Matt and the 
Sloth Running Club, and quietly built himself into one of the most exciting distance 
runners in DFW.

In this episode, Chris Detzel sits down with Ryan to talk about:

- His high school track career — 4:23 mile, state finalist, 4x800 relay
- How overtraining without easy running derailed his college career  
- The 4+ year running gap and what finally brought him back
- Getting connected with DFW's run club scene (ZFT, Sloth RC, Velvet Hammer 5K)
- Training for Houston — long runs, aerobic base building, and race strategy
- The brutal final miles: cramping and stopping three times between miles 23–25
- Crossing the finish line in 2:53:01 and what's next (Boston qualifier? You decide)

If you're a runner in Dallas-Fort Worth, training for your first marathon, chasing 
a sub-3, or just love a great comeback story — this one's for you.

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sub-3 marathon, marathon training, running comeback, Sloth Running Club, 
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In this episode of DFW Running Talk, Andrew shares the full three-year marathon journey that took him from signing up for his first half marathon on three days' notice to qualifying for Boston. We cover his first marathon at Irving (4:03), running NYC for charity through Hope Story, hiring a coach, the training cycle that changed everything, and the chaotic race-day at Houston — strep throat nine days out, his family stuck at home, and a brutal cramp in the final miles he had to run through on a prayer.

Topics: Houston Marathon 2026, Boston Marathon qualifier, BQ training, marathon race strategy, Dallas marathon community, running coach, marathon fueling, DFW running

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This week, Chris sits down with Jason Schuchard, President of the BMW Dallas Marathon, for a candid conversation about his life in running, what's fueling Dallas Marathon's incredible growth, and the exciting new McKinney Historic Half Marathon launching March 28th.

Jason shares how his mom's passion for running shaped his own journey — from cross country at Plano Senior High, to 8-10 marathons, to Ironman competitions — and how all of it eventually led him to lead one of DFW's premier running events.

They cover what's behind the Dallas Marathon's annual sellouts, why adding more bibs isn't as simple as it sounds, and what makes the 
McKinney Historic Half a completely different experience — a half and half road/trail course winding through McKinney's historic square with a 4,000-person cap in year one.

If Dallas is on your 2026 race calendar, don't sleep on registration — it opens May 1st and sells out fast.

In this episode:

• Jason's running origin story & 3:23 marathon PR
• What's driving the Dallas Marathon's growth
• The story behind the new McKinney Historic Half (March 28th)
• How the race benefits Scottish Rite for Children
• Why you should register for Dallas 2026 early

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But in December 2019, a girlfriend got him back on the track. What started as casual runs slowly turned into something more serious. Fast forward to November 2024, and Braden just ran 2:47 at the Indy Monumental Marathon—a 10-minute PR and a testament to what happens when talent meets structure.

In this conversation, we cover:

• Why he never made varsity despite running cross country and track all four years
• The five-year gap where running wasn't part of his life
• Running his first marathon (3:08) with zero structured training
• The turning point: hiring coach Jeff Cunningham and joining Pegasus Running
• Building up to 80-mile weeks and learning to run easy
• His tactical mistake at Indy that cost him in the final miles
• Why he's targeting sub-2:40 at the Boston Marathon
• The importance of running for yourself, not comparing to others

Braden's message is simple but powerful: it doesn't matter where you start or how long you've been away from the sport. With the right community, coaching, and mindset, you can accomplish things you never thought possible.

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Join us for the inaugural Panther City Ultra at Marion Sampson Park on April 4th, 2025! Race director Rob Goyen is bringing true trail running to Fort Worth with distances from 5K to 50K. Experience natural trails, rocky terrain, and real elevation gain—capped at just 300 runners for an intimate trail racing experience.

This will sell out, so register now at https://www.riseracingco.com/panther-city-ultra and use code DFW for 10% off your registration.

In this episode, Jera shares her unconventional path from competitive figure skater to distance running phenom. She opens up about running her first 5K in 19:28 with absolutely zero training knowledge, taking nearly a year off from racing to focus on skating, then deciding to become a "seriously competitive distance runner" after the 2024 Turkey Trot.

We discuss her methodical approach to the marathon—hiring coach Alfonzo Gonzalez Jr (Fonz) before even attempting the distance, nailing her carb loading and nutrition strategy, executing perfect pacing starting conservatively at 7:15 pace, and fighting through the brutal final 5K to achieve her goal.

Jera also talks about overcoming past struggles with disordered eating, the mental toughness developed through figure skating and her powerlifting background, her harrowing 14-mile training run where she got lost on the trails and had to be rescued by the Train Pegasus crew, joining the running community at White Rock Lake, and why she's waiting until 2027 Houston Marathon to race the full distance again so she can build raw strength and speed at shorter distances first.

Key Stats:

• First marathon: 3:05:39 (Dallas Marathon 2025)
• 13th overall women, 6th in age group
• Half marathon PR: 1:26:56
• 10K PR: 40:08
• 5K PR: 19:28
• Age 20

Topics Covered:

• Running 3:05:39 debut marathon and qualifying for Boston
• Dedicating the race to her late father
• Transitioning from figure skating to distance running
• Working with coach Alfonzo Gonzalez Jr (Fonz) and Train Pegasus
• Marathon nutrition: carb loading, fueling, hydration strategy
• Race pacing and execution through adversity
• Building 60-70 mile training weeks at age 20
• Overcoming eating disorder history through healthy training
• Running through grief and loss
• The importance of finding your running community
• Future plans: focusing on 5K-Half Marathon speed through 2026

From running at Northwestern University to discovering trail running during law school in Waco's Cameron Park, Nicole shares how she found her way to the Dallas White Rock Running Co-op and eventually set the North American 100-mile trail record at Rocky Raccoon in 2015. With three top 10 finishes at Western States 100, wins at Black Canyon 100km and Javelina 100, and a third-place finish at the incredibly competitive 2025 Javelina 100, Nicole's ultrarunning resume speaks for itself.

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But beyond the achievements and records, this conversation explores what truly matters: the lifelong friendships formed through running, the importance of supportive partners and community, and finding what brings you joy after decades of competitive training. Nicole reflects on her time with the White Rock co-op, her current training with Rogue Running in Austin, and what motivates her as she contemplates her next chapter in the sport.

Whether you're an aspiring ultrarunner, a road racer, or someone who simply loves hearing stories of dedication and community, Nicole's journey will inspire you.

In this conversation, Juliette shares her unconventional journey into running—signing up for a half marathon without ever racing a 5K, finding her competitive edge through the Dallas run club scene, and building up to her first marathon with a mix of solo training and community support. She opens up about the mental and physical challenges of race day at CIM, including battling the cold, hitting the wall at mile 20, and still managing to PR her half marathon split during the race.

Sponsor: This episode is brought to you by Rise Racing Co. and the Panther City Ultra at Marion Sampson Park on April 4th. Rob Goyen is bringing trail running to Fort Worth with distances from 5K to 50K featuring natural trails, rocky terrain, and real elevation—capped at just 300 runners. This will sell out! Ready for something different than your usual road race? Head over to https://www.riseracingco.com/panther-city-ultra and use code DFW for 10% off your registration.

From her lacrosse roots and county cross country championship as a kid to her current goals of running sub-1:25 at Big Star Half Marathon's elite field in April 2027, Juliette represents the next generation of fast young runners in DFW. Whether you're chasing your first race or your next PR, you'll find inspiration in her story of setting big goals and refusing to settle.

Show Notes:

Guest: Juliette Vielhauer

Topics Covered:

• Growing up playing competitive lacrosse from age 9 through college
• Winning county cross country championships in elementary school
• Moving to Dallas for grad school at SMU knowing nobody in Texas
• Starting running in 2023 with zero race experience
• First half marathon in May 2023 without proper training
• Finding the Dallas running community (White Rock Running Co., TNSR Plano)
• Training solo for CIM while balancing corporate job
• Race strategy and execution at California International Marathon
• Running 3:01:57 debut marathon and qualifying for Boston 2027
• Going sober during peak training and the impact on recovery
• PRing the half marathon (1:28) during the marathon itself
• Post-race celebration and recovery challenges
• Goals for Big Star Half Marathon elite field (targeting sub-1:25)
• Future marathon plans and long-term running aspirations

Aaron shares his early running experiences, including going undefeated in the 800m during his senior year of high school before taking second place at state. He talks about his transition to college running on scholarship, training alongside Olympians, and eventually finding his way to the marathon distance.

But this episode is about more than just race times. Aaron opens up about the incredible power of running community and what it means to train and race alongside friends. He recounts the magical experience at CIM, running the entire race with training partners Eric Bretl and Jennifer Pope, celebrating together, and why this race—beyond the PR—was one of the best experiences of his running life.

Whether you're a track athlete transitioning to longer distances, training for your first marathon, or looking to find your running community, Aaron's story will motivate you to chase your goals and cherish the journey with the people around you.

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Casey's running journey is anything but typical. Starting as one of the slowest runners on his high school cross country team—finishing second-to-last at districts with a 21+ minute 5K—he transformed himself through relentless work ethic and smart training. By his senior year, he had dropped to 16:20 for 5K and earned a walk-on spot at Texas A&M Commerce, eventually securing a scholarship.

Now working full-time while logging 100+ mile weeks, Casey has emerged as one of DFW's most promising young marathoners. He shares the full story of his Dallas Marathon experience, including the intense mile-by-mile battle with winner Steven Fahy, strategic race decisions, and that blistering 5:07 mile at mile 22 that nearly changed the outcome.

Looking ahead, Casey has his sights set on breaking 2:20 at the Jersey City Marathon in April 2026, and with 13 years until his marathon prime, he's just getting started. This conversation explores what it takes to compete at the elite level, the mental fortitude required to push through pain, and why the best marathoners in the world are still improving well into their 30s.

Whether you're chasing your own PR or just love hearing about the next generation of DFW running talent, Casey's story will inspire you to think bigger about what's possible.

Sisters Maddie Stier (32, Allen, TX) and Grace Chow (29, Washington, DC), along with their close friend Melanie Lassen (34, Casper, WY), came together at the California International Marathon to achieve something extraordinary—all three broke 2:50, finishing within minutes of each other after training separately in three different states.

Maddie stayed rooted in the DFW community, training with the Sloths Running Club by "chasing people faster than her" without a formal plan. Grace hired her first coach, Jordan Hogan (formerly Jordan Hassay), and navigated solo training in the cold, dark mornings of Washington, DC. Melanie moved to Casper, Wyoming, trained at 5,000 feet elevation, and struggled through nearly every workout—barely hitting a single target pace.

But when they reunited in Sacramento for a girls' weekend (no husbands, no kids, just chicken quesadillas and Zootopia), something magical happened. They ran their races separately but together, supporting each other from different parts of the course before meeting at the finish line for a core memory they'll never forget.

Finish times:

• Maddie Stier: 2:47:15 (6:24/mile)
• Melanie Lassen: 2:48:06 (6:25/mile)
• Grace Chow: 2:49:46 (6:29/mile)

This episode captures what makes running special: the power of community that transcends geography, the magic of shared goals, and what happens when you find your people—even when they live 1,500 miles apart. You'll hear about the Mile 20 declaration, the ultra-runner named Jesus who became their hype man for 22 miles, and why Maddie's brother's quote—"If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room"—drives everything they do.

This is the future of running. This is New Blood. And it's happening right now.

Kerry Little launches the series with an incredible journey: growing up as a swimmer in Illinois, moving to Texas in the early '80s, and discovering she could run - really run. Her first marathon? A 3:15 that would still turn heads today. Multiple Boston qualifiers, Ironman Hawaii, coaching with Luke's training programs, and a current streak of over 3,700 consecutive days of running. Now working at Luke's Locker Dallas (Mockingbird/75) for 17 years, Kerry connects the past to the present, sharing what it really took to be a runner when running was still finding its identity.

The bar just got raised in Dallas.

Steven Fahy, a 29-year-old NCAA steeplechase champion and Brooks Running employee, just won the Dallas Marathon in his debut with a time of 2:23:28 - making him the fastest marathoner in DFW at this moment. But this isn't just a story about natural talent crushing a race. It's about rediscovering why you run in the first place.

This episode kicks off New Blood, a special DFW Running Talk series spotlighting the next generation of elite runners who are redefining what's possible in North Texas. These aren't your average weekend warriors - they're 20-somethings running sub-2:25 marathons, breaking 3:05 on their debuts, and proving that the future of competitive running in DFW is already here.

After an accomplished collegiate career at Stanford (2019 NCAA steeplechase champion, five-time All-American, two-time Pac-12 champion), Steven moved to Dallas in 2023 and spent two years running solo. It wasn't until summer 2024 that he connected with the Sloths and local running community, transforming his training and reigniting his competitive fire.

Steven shares what it's like to win a marathon on the same routes you train daily, surrounded by the people who pushed you all season. He opens up about the mental shift from collegiate pressure to post-collegiate joy, why he's eyeing Eugene Marathon next, and what "bottle service for elites" really means.

This is the new generation of DFW running - fast, humble, and here to stay.

What You'll Learn:

• How a 2019 NCAA champion found his running community in Dallas
• The strategy behind winning your first marathon at 2:23
• Training alongside the Sloths, Train Pegasus, and DFW's best at Germany Park
• Why Steven almost thought Matt Campbell would beat him at the 1776 Mile
• The post-collegiate identity crisis every runner faces
• What's next: Eugene Marathon and the long-term marathon journey

Perfect for: Young competitive runners, post-collegiate athletes looking for direction, anyone curious about what elite-level marathon training looks like in DFW

In this episode, recorded before the Dallas Marathon (where Brent would go on to run 2:39:05), we dive deep into what it takes to run at an elite level as a masters athlete. Fresh off running 2:28:26 at the Indianapolis Marathon, Brent shares his high-volume training philosophy—100-mile weeks, running twice a day six days per week, tempo-focused workouts over VO2 max intervals, and the importance of making running a daily habit. He opens up about the mental battles of goal-setting, recovering from burnout after Houston Marathon, and the sacrifices required—giving up alcohol during training cycles and prioritizing eight hours of sleep every night.

Whether you're chasing your own PR or curious about what separates good runners from great ones, Brent's story offers candid insights into the discipline, routine, and mental approach needed to compete at the highest level while balancing a 16-year career as a software engineer and raising two young kids.

Episode Highlights:

• How Brent went from casual runner to 2:28 marathoner without running in high school or college
• His high-volume training approach: doubles six days per week, prioritizing frequency over intensity
• Why running two 5-milers is better than one 10-miler for injury prevention and recovery
• Race fueling strategy: consuming 900+ calories during marathons with Maurten gels and mix
• The mental challenge of pacing and avoiding the trap of starting too fast
• Plans for Paris and Chicago marathons in 2026 at age 41
• The importance of running community and lifelong friendships built through the sport

In this episode, Ruth shares her unconventional path to running, starting with a spontaneous decision to go for a run instead of watching Grey's Anatomy one night in 2018. With a background in music education and drum corps, Ruth brings a unique perspective to coaching that emphasizes patience, curiosity, and building durable runners through strength training.

We dive deep into her coaching philosophy, including why new marathoners shouldn't set time goals for their first race, the critical importance of fueling (hint: one gel isn't enough), and why single-leg strength training is essential for injury prevention. Ruth also shares practical advice for runners at every level and her powerful message about not counting yourself out, no matter your pace or experience.

Whether you're a beginner contemplating your first 5K or an experienced runner chasing a PR, Ruth's insights will inspire you to stay curious and keep pushing your limits.

Connect with Ruth: McKirdy Trained

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As a board member of the Dallas White Rock Marathon, Paul is helping elevate the race by bringing in approximately 150 NAIA Championship athletes and restarting the partnership with Sendai, Japan. He shares his passion for FKTs (Fastest Known Times), running from the Caribbean to the Pacific in Panama, organizing the Waxahatchee 50-miler for 500 runners, and why the 50-mile distance might be the perfect ultra.

Whether you're chasing a BQ, curious about ultras, or dreaming of your next running adventure, Paul's philosophy is simple: go out and find your adventure in this beautiful world.

But this episode isn't just about personal achievement. Shirley shares the heartwarming story of how she built Plano Running Club from 12 people in 2013 to over 5500 members today, all founded on the same kindness and community support that kept her going as a brand-new runner. From their signature early morning coffee runs to traveling across the country as mobile cheer squads, this club embodies what running community is all about.

Whether you're a seasoned marathoner or someone who's never laced up running shoes, Shirley's story proves it's never too late to start—and that the best reason to build a running club might just be selfishness (you'll have to listen to understand!).

BREAKING NEWS Hosted by TUPPS Brewery: The Dallas Marathon organization is launching the McKinney Historic Half Marathon presented by BMW on March 28, 2026! 

Starting at McKinney City Hall and finishing at Tupps Brewery, this inaugural event will feature a half marathon, 5K, and Kids 100M Dash, with proceeds benefiting Scottish Rite for Children of Frisco. Expect around 4,000 runners and the same world-class organization that's made the Dallas Marathon a 54-year tradition.

In this conversation, you'll also learn:

• Marcus's incredible running journey from college beer gut to 50-mile ultramarathons to weightlifting and back to running
• Jodi's transformation from college partier to half Ironman finisher and marathon operations expert
• Behind-the-scenes insights into organizing the 54th annual BMW Dallas Marathon (December 12-14, 2025)
• How the Dallas Marathon team has grown to 5 full-time employees and continues to enhance one of Texas's premier marathons
• Course details, community partnerships, and what makes the Dallas Marathon special
• The unique McKinney course featuring historic downtown, new neighborhoods, and park trails

Whether you're planning to run the BMW Dallas Marathon this December or considering the new McKinney Historic Half in March, this episode gives you the inside scoop from the people who make it all happen.

McKinney Historic Half registration is now OPEN: Register here

From her early days running cross country in high school (always the bridesmaid, never the bride at Texas state championships) to qualifying for the 2020 Olympic Marathon Trials, Cait traces her evolution as a competitive runner. But this conversation goes deeper than PRs and race strategy. She discusses the physical and mental toll of undiagnosed health issues, the frustration of being dismissed by medical professionals, and how symptoms like extreme fatigue and low iron were too often chalked up to "just being a female runner."

Three weeks post-surgery and juggling wedding preparations, Cait reflects on canceling the Berlin Marathon, navigating recovery without her running community, and learning to slow down for the first time in her life. She shares insights on the psychological effects of major surgery, the importance of finding doctors who listen, and why 2026 might be her year of rebirth—focusing on health, stress management, and running without the gas pedal to the floor.

Whether you're dealing with your own health challenges, training for your next race, or simply love stories of perseverance, this episode offers hope, humor, and a reminder that sometimes the strongest thing you can do is rest.

Dr. Mosley takes us through her evolution as a runner—from her days as a sprinter and hurdler at Lake Highlands High School, to discovering the meditative power of distance running around the lakes at LSU, all the way to becoming a marathon runner and community leader in Dallas.

But this conversation goes far beyond personal PRs. Netta opens up about the radical work Run It Up is doing to create space for Black and Brown runners in a sport that has historically lacked diversity. She shares the philosophy behind what she calls "the beautiful bait and switch"—attracting people with the energy and community, then watching them fall in love with running itself.

In this episode, you'll hear about:

• How running became Netta's "most successful relationship" and mental escape
• The transition from competitive sprinting to finding freedom in distance running
• Why representation matters in running and on the podium
• The Run It Up Foundation's impact through health clinics, screenings, and literacy programs
• The transformative "Get Off the Couch" program and its life-changing results
• How community and leadership create sustainable change in people's lives

Whether you're a seasoned runner or just getting started, this episode will remind you why running is about so much more than miles—it's about building community, creating opportunity, and transforming lives.

Connect with Run It Up Dallas on Instagram and join a movement that's changing the face of running in DFW.

Forget soccer. Madeleine's athletic background includes figure skating (where she admits she wasn't very good), horseback riding, swimming, and playing third-string field hockey while "running aimlessly up and down the field" to look busy. She never touched a soccer ball growing up and was "painfully uncoordinated in every area of my life."

Fast forward to adulthood, and Madeleine pulled off one of the most dramatic marathon progressions you'll hear: 3:25 to 3:19 to 2:50 in just three marathons. That's a 35-minute drop that she describes as her "magical season" - a breakthrough that seemed almost impossible.

But this isn't just another "I got really fast" story. Madeleine opens up about what comes after the breakthrough - the pressure, the expectations, and the reality of trying to maintain elite performance after having twins. She candidly discusses feeling like she's been "running into a brick wall," the temptation to retire after achieving her PR, and the slow process of rediscovering her motivation.

From choosing theater over track in middle school to training with "The Sloths" in Dallas, Madeleine's journey is equal parts inspiring and relatable. Whether you're chasing your first PR or struggling to recapture past glory, this conversation about resilience, self-compassion, and finding joy in running again will resonate deeply.

Tune in for an authentic discussion about the highs, the lows, and everything in between.

Kendall shares her inspiring journey from a burned-out college athlete who barely ran during her time at Texas A&M to a sub-3:05 marathoner with her sights set on breaking 3 hours at the 2025 California International Marathon (CIM). Along the way, she opens up about:

Running Highlights:

• Her unconventional return to running through a golden doodle puppy and F45 classes
• A breakthrough first half marathon (1:35) that led to marathon training
• The painful lessons from her first marathon at Irving (3:36)
• Earning her Boston Qualifier at Houston 2023 (3:22)
• The emotional experience of running Boston 2024
• Her stunning 18-minute PR at CIM 2024 (3:04:51) and the strategic race execution that made it possible

Coaching & Community:

• How she became RRCA certified and started coaching runners remotely
• Her role as a CIM Ambassador and what that means
• Leading the Not Your Average Run Club's half marathon training program with 34 runners
• The importance of building running community in Dallas and her connections with Pegasus, White Rock Running Co-op, and Frisco Running Club

Race Strategy Insights: Kendall provides fascinating insights into her strategic approach to racing, including how she studied the CIM course, executed a nearly perfect race plan, and made a bold mid-race decision at mile 13 to test her sub-3 hour potential. She discusses the art and science of coaching, the importance of trial and error in racing, and why sometimes you need to blow up at a 5K to learn how to pace properly.

Whether you're chasing your first PR, looking for coaching insights, or trying to find your running community in Dallas, Kendall's story offers valuable lessons about smart training, strategic racing, and the power of showing up consistently—even when you're shy and don't know anyone yet.

Connect with Kendall Rose: https://www.runstrongwithkendall.com/ 

Dustin opens up about his early running career in high school, his journey through college and young adulthood where fitness took a back seat, and the pivotal moment after his son's birth that sparked his return to running. He shares the emotional connection to his late father, a Boston Marathon finisher, and how honoring his memory drove him to chase—and ultimately achieve—his own Boston qualifying time.

Throughout the conversation, Dustin discusses:

• His dramatic weight loss of 50+ pounds in six months
• Running three major marathons (Boston, Chicago, and New York) in 2022
• The power of running with faster people and the Dallas Sloths running group
• His transition into coaching beginners and first-time marathoners
• Dealing with an inguinal hernia injury and his comeback journey
• Balancing training with a full-time job and family life
• Why he believes in focusing on the process over the numbers

This episode is perfect for anyone looking for motivation, whether you're just starting your running journey or chasing your next PR.

In this episode, Pierce shares the Navy SEAL mental strategy that kept him from quitting at mile 60 of his first 200-miler, the brutal moment on day 98 when a camera malfunction forced him to run a full marathon in one day, and why he believes consistency is harder than extreme distance.

We dive into his progression from first half marathon to 240-mile races, his approach to coaching athletes twice his age, the role of faith in his running journey, and his unconventional training philosophy that doesn't require 100-mile weeks.

Whether you're training for your first 5K or contemplating an ultra, Pierce's story proves that incremental progress and mental toughness can take you further than you ever imagined.

Guest: Pierce Showe - Ultra Marathon Runner, World Record Holder, Running Coach

What drives these sisters isn't just sibling rivalry—though Grace admits she originally started running the mile in track simply because Maddie did it first. It's their shared understanding that running is both a personal challenge and a way to maintain identity through life's major transitions. Grace has carried her running through multiple military relocations, deployments to Italy, a CrossFit phase, and new motherhood, always finding ways to adapt without losing the core drive that had her logging 16-mile runs as a teenager. Maddie channels her competitive nature into meticulous training, showing up to track workouts with faster runners and hanging on "for dear life" because she knows that discomfort leads to growth.

Both sisters are currently training for December's California International Marathon—each balancing motherhood with serious training goals. Grace, working with her first-ever coach, hopes to break her 2:57 PR while managing early morning runs around her 1-year-old's schedule. Maddie targets a sub-2:50 breakthrough while coordinating training around three children. Their approach couldn't be more different: Grace thrives on flying by the seat of her pants while learning structure for the first time, while Maddie lives by routine and strategic planning.

Whether it's Grace running cupless marathons in Hawaii while dealing with dehydration, or Maddie maximizing every minute of training time when leaving her husband with the kids, these sisters prove that the drive to run fast comes from embracing challenge, supporting each other across distances, and never losing sight of the competitive spark that started it all in middle school track. They demonstrate that motherhood doesn't diminish athletic ambition—it sharpens the focus and makes every training opportunity count.

Theo shares his journey from corporate automotive executive to nonprofit leader, explaining how traditional run clubs often felt intimidating and exclusive to newcomers. Run It Up breaks that mold with DJ music, group stretches, pace groups for every level (including walkers), and a welcoming atmosphere that feels more like a family reunion than a serious training session.

But this isn't just about running. As a 501(c)(3) nonprofit, Run It Up tackles cardiovascular health disparities head-on, partnering with organizations like the Black Heart Association to provide free health screenings and education. With heart disease and hypertension disproportionately affecting Black communities, Theo's work extends far beyond fitness into life-saving health advocacy.

The conversation covers the practical challenges of scaling from a solo operation to a 15-person team, the importance of creating inclusive spaces in predominantly white running culture, and Theo's ambitious plans to take Run It Up to HBCU campuses nationwide. Whether you're interested in community building, health equity, or just want to understand how to make fitness accessible to everyone, this episode offers valuable insights into creating meaningful change through movement.

From beginner walkers to Boston Marathon qualifiers, Run It Up proves that running can be both serious training and joyful community celebration.

But this isn't just a story about fast times. Julie's journey takes a dramatic turn when mysterious health issues began affecting her performance and quality of life. Despite running impressive marathon times, she experienced symptoms ranging from severe fatigue and heart rate irregularities to neurological issues that made her leg feel "disconnected" during runs. For four years, she battled through these challenges while doctors struggled to provide answers.

What makes Julie's story truly extraordinary is how she took her health into her own hands. Using her engineering background and relentless research, she discovered that mineral imbalances—particularly copper and iron deficiency stemming from five pregnancies and breastfeeding—were at the root of her problems. Her recovery involved switching from synthetic supplements to natural nutrition sources, ultimately healing her body completely.

Julie opens up about the challenges of balancing marathon training with raising five children, the support system that made her running possible, and how her husband's leukemia diagnosis affected her first marathon. She also discusses her transition into health coaching, helping others who face similar struggles.

Now at 45, Julie has returned to form with recent marathons under 3 hours and ambitious goals ahead, including a 2:45 target at the Marathon Project in December. Her story is a testament to the power of listening to your body, advocating for your health, and never giving up on your goals.

This episode offers valuable insights for runners dealing with unexplained performance issues, parents trying to balance training with family life, and anyone interested in the connection between nutrition and athletic performance.

Jim's journey spans 45 years, from watching a New York City Marathon movie in college to becoming part of TI's powerhouse team that could take over entire races at Plano Pacers. He shares the untold story of corporate America's investment in employee wellness through competitive running, complete with national meets, sponsored travel, and workplace cultures that encouraged midday training sessions.

After a 12-year hiatus where he gained 60 pounds, Jim returned to running at 55 and rebuilt himself into one of the most competitive masters runners in the Dallas area. His unconventional training philosophy—running hard every other day at sub-7-minute pace for 50-65 miles per week—flies in the face of traditional coaching wisdom but continues to produce remarkable results.

Beyond the times and training, this episode explores the deep community connections that have sustained Dallas running for decades, from the consistency of Plano Pacers to the enduring friendships formed at White Rock Lake. Jim reflects on retirement, staying injury-free, and why he believes someone breaking the 2:30 marathon barrier locally could inspire a wave of similar achievements.

Whether you're curious about running's corporate history, seeking motivation for masters competition, or wondering how to maintain speed well into your 60s, Jim's story offers both inspiration and practical insights from someone who's truly lived the sport.

Alison's athletic journey began as a scholarship soccer player at Texas A&M, transitioned through 19 Ironman competitions (including five Kona World Championships), and evolved into ultra running where she's conquered races like UTMB, Badwater, and numerous 100-milers. But the Grand Slam represents her biggest challenge yet.

In this candid interview, Alison shares the highs and lows of her quest. From her worst-ever performance at Western States—where she chased cutoffs for 29.5 hours and barely finished within the 30-hour limit—to her redemptive run at Vermont 100, and the leg-crushing reality of Leadville's elevation and cutoffs. She discusses the mental fortitude required when your body is depleted, the challenge of not training between races, and what it takes to "dig deep" when everything hurts.

Beyond the physical feats, Alison opens up about the logistics of crew support, the financial commitment required, the importance of having a supportive spouse, and how she balances this pursuit with her career as a physical therapist. She also shares insights from her extensive Ironman background and what drives someone to continually seek bigger challenges.

With Wasatch 100 and Kona still ahead at the time of recording, this episode captures an athlete mid-journey through an almost impossible challenge. Whether you're a trail runner, road runner, or simply fascinated by human endurance, Alison's story demonstrates what's possible when determination meets preparation.

Featured Topics: Grand Slam of Ultrarunning, Western States 100, Vermont 100, Leadville 100, Wasatch 100, Ironman World Championship Kona, ultra running strategy, race nutrition, crew support, endurance psychology.

Rob shares the personal struggles that led to his hiatus - from wanting to be present for his young daughter Ruby to dealing with "race director nightmares" that signaled his readiness to return. He discusses his transition from Ultra Signup employee to contractor, ensuring complete separation from company data and operations while maintaining his role helping race directors succeed on the platform.

The conversation dives deep into Rise Racing's inaugural event: the Tex Miss Trail Race at Bucher State Park on December 13th, 2025. Featuring distances from 7 miles to 107K, this Christmas-themed trail party promises to showcase Rob's signature style - big, bold, fun events with serious buckles and a 20-hour cutoff for the ultra distance.

Rob also reveals his broader vision for Rise Racing: 6-8 races annually across Texas, including returns to beloved locations like Surfside Beach and San Antonio. He emphasizes community building over pure competition, discussing plans for ambassador teams, elite support, and collaborative races with other directors. His partnership with longtime colleague Amanda and focus on welcoming the growing "lifestyle trail running" demographic signal an evolution in his approach.

This episode captures both the business strategy and personal passion behind one of Texas trail running's most influential figures as he prepares to re-enter the sport that shaped his identity. Whether you're a longtime fan or new to trail running, Rob's insights into community building, race organization, and the explosive growth of running clubs offer valuable perspective on where the sport is headed.

Discover how a principal's promise of homemade breakfast sparked a running career that would span 640+ races. Mark opens up about his transformation from a "5K expert" who raced every weekend to a dedicated distance runner training at 3 AM with partners like Shaheen Satar. His story takes fascinating turns through trail running and 50-milers, all while maintaining his philosophy that "ignorance is bliss" when it comes to racing.

But Mark's true legacy lies behind the lens. Known throughout White Rock Lake and beyond as "the picture guy," he's captured thousands of moments - from triumphant PRs to those less-flattering mid-race grimaces that runners initially complained about but now treasure as authentic memories. His slow-motion videos helped runners analyze their form, though not everyone appreciated seeing their "jiggly parts" highlighted.

The conversation takes a poignant turn as Mark discusses his recent transition from competitive running following a complete knee replacement, his current focus on weightlifting and low-impact training, and his continued dedication to preserving running memories through photography. He shares the mysterious "Twilight Zone" race where runners inexplicably walked through one section of the course, memorable encounters with future Boston qualifiers, and watching his 13-year-old student casually drop a 1:27 half marathon.

This episode captures the heart of running community - the bonds formed at 4 AM training runs, the evolution from beginner to mentor, and how one person's passion for capturing moments has become an invaluable gift to an entire running community.

Meet Chet, who moved to Dallas knowing no one and found his people through Wednesday night runs; Craig, who discovered that showing up consistently led to lifelong friendships and invitations to concerts; Vivian, who learned that running with others isn't just more fun—it's safer; and Andy, a late-in-life runner who went from struggling to run 100 yards to completing his six World Marathon Majors, all thanks to the support and knowledge sharing within WRRC.

While we couldn't have everyone on this episode, the team also includes Nick Polito, a long-standing member who's been with the club since its infancy, and Josh Odegard, who hosts the popular Wednesday night social runs and is known for his incredible ability to connect people and build community within the group.

From track workouts on Tuesdays to the famous "Hills Pay the Bills" Wednesday sessions, Saturday long runs with post-run tacos, and Sunday recovery loops around White Rock Lake, discover how this 6,000-member community accommodates everyone from casual 5K runners to Boston qualifiers and ultra-marathoners.

You'll hear inspiring stories about:

• How the club helped Andy qualify for Boston and complete his World Marathon Majors
• The safety and camaraderie that keeps runners coming back week after week
• Why "suffering together" on the track beats suffering alone
• How showing up consistently leads to unexpected friendships and travel companions
• The welcoming culture that makes newcomers feel at home from day one

Whether you're a seasoned marathoner or someone who's never run a mile, this episode showcases the magic that happens when running becomes about more than just personal fitness—it becomes about community, friendship, and achieving dreams you never thought possible.

In this episode, Greg shares his three distinct "running careers" - from a college scholarship runner who walked away from the sport, to a Young Country radio team member getting back into racing, to becoming one of DFW's most respected marathon coaches. You'll hear about his dramatic transformation from 232 pounds and struggling to tie his shoes to qualifying for Boston, his harrowing experience at the 2013 Boston Marathon bombing, and how he's helped dozens of runners achieve their goals.

Greg opens up about the role running played during his divorce, his decade-long Boston Marathon streak, and his transition from corporate IT to coaching elite marathoners. He also discusses the evolution of the DFW running scene, where sub-3-hour marathons have become increasingly common and the community continues to push each other to new heights.

Whether you're a beginner looking for inspiration or an experienced runner seeking insights from a seasoned coach, Greg's story offers valuable lessons about persistence, smart training, and the importance of surrounding yourself with the right community.

Topics covered:

• Early running career and college scholarship
• Three major comebacks to the sport
• Boston Marathon bombing experience
• Coaching philosophy and approach
• The evolution of DFW's running community
• Training for sub-3-hour marathons
• Balancing family and running goals

Recorded live in Dallas, Texas

Discover how Chris transformed from a 245-pound tech worker to an ultra-runner whose first 100-miler was the legendary Western States, and how Anne found healing and purpose through running during her own life transitions. Their love story began at a running club, evolved over cake concerts and trail miles, and ultimately led them to create a trail running empire spanning 12 races across Texas.

From taking over struggling races like Grasslands and Rockledge Rumble to building new challenges like the grueling Dana Peak course, the Barnwells share the behind-the-scenes reality of race directing—from permit struggles and weather cancellations to the incredible volunteer community that makes it all possible.

Learn about their philosophy of making trail running accessible to everyone, from 5K newcomers to seasoned 100-mile veterans, and why they believe trail running creates a unique community where elite athletes and back-of-the-pack runners share the same trails and support each other's journeys.

Whether you're a seasoned ultra-runner or someone curious about getting into trail running, this episode offers insights into the passion, dedication, and community spirit that drives the Texas trail running scene.

Featured Races: Grasslands Trail Run, Rockledge Rumble, Dana Peak Challenge, Possum Kingdom Trail Run, and more.

Farrell shares his progression from struggling to run half a mile in uptown Dallas to becoming a 2:47 marathoner with 31 marathons under his belt. Along the way, he opens up about the mental challenges of his first Dallas Marathon, the breakthrough race at Woodlands Marathon that changed everything, and how accidentally coaching a friend led him to discover his true passion.

In this episode, you'll discover:

• How Farrell went from finance and investment banking to becoming an RRCA-certified running coach
• His recent career pivot to Training Program Director at Fleet Feet Dallas
• The exciting new performance-focused training program he's launching across the DFW metroplex
• Training and nutrition insights from someone who's made every mistake and learned from it
• The untapped potential he sees in Dallas's running community

Whether you're a beginner runner, seasoned marathoner, or someone contemplating a major life change, Farrell's story proves that with consistency and courage, extraordinary transformations are possible. Plus, hear about the innovative weekly track nights and community-building initiatives coming to North Texas that aim to elevate the entire Dallas running scene.

Join Chris as he sits down with Colin Hamilton and Philip Paris, two runners whose friendship was forged through shared miles, questionable life choices, and an inexplicable love of Indian food. Colin's journey starts with getting literally run over by his brother's girlfriend (yes, really) and somehow leads to a brief but legendary ice cream empire that had people offering him business deals while he just wanted to make frozen treats for fellow runners.

Philip's story is slightly less dramatic but equally relatable – from soccer player to cycling enthusiast to the guy who did Couch to 5K, immediately detrained, then somehow convinced himself a 4-mile Turkey Trot was achievable. Spoiler alert: it was.

The conversation takes some serious turns as Colin opens up about mental health, panic attacks, and learning when to say no to opportunities that look good on Instagram but feel terrible in real life. Meanwhile, Philip navigates the beautiful chaos of new parenthood while trying to maintain his sub-3 marathon dreams and wondering if he'll ever sleep through the night again.

From terrible marathon training advice (running every workout at race pace, anyone?) to the wind-battered disaster that was Houston 2025, these two prove that running journeys are rarely linear – and that's exactly what makes them worth sharing.

Topics covered: Injury recovery, marathon training disasters, mental health in running, entrepreneurship burnout, parenting while training, finding your running community, and why your watch doesn't actually tell you how fast to run.

Perfect for runners who've ever questioned their life choices at mile 20.

In this episode, you'll discover:

• How Matt went from "couch to Dallas Marathon" training cycles for 7 years
• The game-changing moment when he joined the Dallas running community
• Why consistency matters more than speed in marathon training
• How running 90 miles per week led to a 21-minute PR
• The mental shift that took him from Boston qualifier to sub-2:40 runner
• Practical training tips for breaking through marathon plateaus

Matt's story proves that marathon success isn't just about talent—it's about patience, consistency, and finding your running tribe. Whether you're chasing your first Boston qualifier or looking to break through a time plateau, this conversation offers honest insights into what it really takes to achieve your marathon goals.

Perfect for: Marathon runners, Boston Marathon hopefuls, running community enthusiasts, and anyone looking for motivation to stay consistent with their training.

Guest: Matt Barron - Sub-2:40 marathoner, Boston qualifier, and active member of the Dallas/Fort Worth running community.

In this episode, Chris and Amy discuss how she:

• Overcame multiple stress fractures and bone density issues
• Used Peloton training to stay fit during injury recovery
• Worked with coach Neely Gracie to achieve a 7-minute marathon PR at Houston
• Balanced motherhood with Boston Marathon qualifying goals
• Found community through Ray's Track Club and DFW runners

Key topics: Marathon training for moms, stress fracture recovery, postpartum running challenges, athletic trainer insights, Peloton cross-training, bone density issues in female athletes, Ray's Track Club, Houston Marathon, Boston qualifying times.

Perfect for runners dealing with injury setbacks, new moms returning to running, or anyone seeking inspiration for their comeback journey. 

Amy's story proves that with patience, proper coaching, and determination, you can come back stronger than ever.

Guest: Amy Lyles, Athletic Trainer at Plano West High School

Host: Chris Detzel Part of DFW Running Talk - featuring Dallas-Fort Worth running community stories.

Matt opens up about his tactical approach to the Velvet Hammer 5K, where he brought his Completely Sloth teammates and executed a perfectly planned race strategy—breaking the 5K into kilometers with specific mantras for each segment. He reveals how letting go of time fixation and focusing on execution has actually made him faster and more confident on race day.

Beyond racing tactics, Matt dives deep into the challenge of balancing elite-level training with family life and a demanding career. He discusses his "three pillars" philosophy—family, work, and running—and how he's learned to periodize his life while keeping family as the top priority. From skipping Boston Marathon to be present for his family to the reality of 5 AM training sessions, Matt shares honest insights about making sacrifices and finding sustainable balance.

The conversation also covers the often-overlooked importance of strength training for runners, injury prevention through experience, and the mental game that separates good runners from great ones. Matt candidly discusses his upcoming California International Marathon goal, his transition into speed season, and his growing role as both a coach and community builder in the DFW running scene.

Whether you're chasing PRs or simply trying to fit running into a busy life, Matt's perspective on racing smart, training purposefully, and maintaining balance offers valuable lessons for runners at every level.

Topics Covered:

• Race strategy and execution over time goals
• Balancing elite training with family and career
• The importance of strength training for runners
• Building and leading running communities
• Mental approaches to competition and goal-setting
• Upcoming race plans and sub-2:30 marathon goals

From his early days attempting untrained half marathons in Brooklyn to building a successful running travel company in Austin, Michael shares his journey of falling out of love with racing and into love with adventure. He explains why he believes the running community has become too focused on competition and how Rogue Expeditions offers an alternative—immersive cultural travel experiences for runners who want to explore the world's most beautiful trails without the pressure of race day.

In this episode, you'll discover:

• Why most running opportunities feel "too one-dimensional"
• The difference between running a city during a race vs. truly experiencing it
• How running travel compares to cycling tours and yoga retreats
• What it's like to run through Morocco's Atlas Mountains, Iceland's glaciers, and Italy's Dolomites
• Why the "stop racing, start exploring" philosophy resonates with so many runners
• How Rogue Expeditions creates adventures for all fitness levels with expert guides

Whether you're burned out on racing, curious about destination running, or simply love hearing about epic adventures, this conversation will challenge how you think about your running journey. Michael's passion for creating meaningful experiences over competitive achievements offers a refreshing perspective on what it means to be a runner.

Host Chris Detzel interviews Kevin Hebert, a 46-year-old who went from running just twice a week with Dallas Running Club to breaking 3:10 in his marathon debut. In this captivating conversation, Kevin shares his incredible journey from someone who "would never run a marathon" to crossing the finish line at California International Marathon in a stunning 3:08:58.

In this episode, you'll discover:

• How Kevin transformed from a casual half-marathoner to a sub-3:10 machine in just one training cycle
• The mindset shift that changed everything (hint: it involved quitting coffee and alcohol)
• Why he hired a coach for his first marathon and how it paid off
• The exact training approach that took him from 35 miles per week to 70 miles at peak
• His emotional finish line moment and immediate plans for marathon #2
• The power of running with experienced groups like White Rock Running Co-op

Whether you're a weekend warrior wondering what's possible or a seasoned runner looking for motivation, Kevin's story proves that with the right focus, coaching, and community, extraordinary breakthroughs can happen faster than you think.

This isn't just another running story – it's proof that sometimes the biggest transformations come from the most unexpected places.

Duncan's story is nothing short of extraordinary. Growing up in apartheid-era South Africa, he discovered his passion for distance running in elementary school when he couldn't make the track team as a sprinter. This setback became the catalyst for an incredible journey that would take him from the high altitude training grounds of South Africa to SMU's track team as a steeplechase specialist.

What makes this episode special:

• An inspiring immigration story: How running became Duncan's pathway from South Africa to America, including his recruitment to SMU during the final year of apartheid
• Breaking barriers through sport: Duncan's powerful account of training with athletes across racial lines before it was legal, and how this integrated group elevated everyone's performance to world-class levels
• From competitor to community builder: Why Duncan stepped away from racing marathons to focus on the "mindful journey" of running and helping others discover their own relationship with the sport
• 30 years at Luke's Locker: Behind-the-scenes insights into the specialty running industry, shoe technology evolution, and how the Dallas running boom has transformed over the decades
• Revolutionary family running program: Duncan's innovative approach to bringing parents and kids together through his unique group at White Rock Lake's Norbuck Park

Key topics explored:

• The philosophy of distance running vs. sprint mentality
• How modern shoe technology (carbon plates, super shoes) is changing the sport - for better and worse
• The explosion of Dallas running culture and diverse running communities
• Creating inclusive spaces where families can exercise together
• The difference between performance-driven and journey-focused running

Duncan's perspective on running transcends times and technology. He advocates for "parkour-style" natural movement, mindful running without structured intervals, and staying connected to the pure joy of the sport. His family running group has become a safe haven for kids intimidated by traditional track teams and a bridge for parents wanting to share the running experience with their children.

Whether you're a seasoned runner curious about the evolution of the sport, a parent looking to get active with your kids, or someone interested in how running can build community across cultural and generational divides, this episode offers profound insights and inspiration.

Perfect for listeners who enjoy:

• Stories of athletic achievement and personal growth
• Immigration and cultural integration narratives
• Community building and youth development
• Running industry insights and shoe technology discussions
• Philosophy of sport and mindful movement

Don't miss Duncan's take on why he's never run past a half marathon, his thoughts on the "Labrador with a tennis ball" mentality of race-focused runners, and how a chance meeting in a South African running store led to a 30-year career helping Dallas runners find their perfect fit.

In this episode, Traci shares:

• Her early days as a high school sprinter who "hated" cross country
• The friends who kept convincing her to run "just one more marathon"
• How joining the Dallas Running Club transformed her training approach
• The power of running with faster groups (hello, Sloths!) and believing in bigger goals
• Her breakthrough season: four consecutive PR half marathons leading to her first sub-3:00 marathon
• Training insights including strength work, nutrition, and race strategy "chunking"
• The reality of running injuries and her current battle with osteoarthritis in both knees

What makes Traci's story particularly compelling is her late-career speed development. At an age when many runners are slowing down, she was running personal bests and keeping pace with athletes 10+ years younger. Her journey highlights the importance of community, proper training, and never giving up on your potential.

Whether you're chasing your first marathon PR or wondering if your fastest days are behind you, Traci's story will remind you that with the right mindset, training partners, and approach, breakthrough performances are possible at any stage of your running journey.

Key Takeaways: The power of training groups, importance of strength training and nutrition, race strategy tips, and maintaining a positive mindset through injury setbacks.

Discover how Ray went from a casual 3:42 first marathon to breaking the 3-hour barrier and eventually running 2:48 at Houston Marathon - a massive 15-minute personal record achieved through what he calls his best training block ever. Ray reveals the secrets behind that breakthrough performance, including training alongside elite DFW athletes like Melanie Lawson, Jennifer Pope, and Brent Woodle.

Learn about the founding of RTC (Ray's Track Club), born from a simple need for quality training partners in North Dallas. What started as Ray organizing workouts for a small group has grown into a 60-member community that's helping elevate the entire DFW running scene. Ray discusses how surrounding yourself with faster runners pushes everyone to new levels - a philosophy that's helped create the incredible depth of sub-3:00 marathoners in Dallas-Fort Worth.

The conversation also covers Ray's Boston Marathon experiences, his thoughts on modern shoe technology's impact on performance and recovery, and his upcoming goal of chasing a 2:43 marathon. Plus, hear about his awkward first meeting with Chris at the airport before Boston 2019, complete with lacrosse ball rolling on the terminal floor.

Whether you're chasing your first Boston qualifier or dreaming of going sub-3, Ray's story proves that with the right training partners, dedication, and community support, remarkable breakthroughs are possible at any stage of your running journey.

Key Topics: Marathon training, Boston Marathon, running community, DFW running scene, personal records, training groups, sub-3 hour marathons, shoe technology, Houston Marathon

Fresh off his breakthrough marathon victory, Travis found himself sidelined with a tibial stress reaction after pushing his recovery too hard too soon. In this honest and insightful conversation, he opens up about the mental and physical challenges of being injured, the mistakes he made during his comeback attempt, and the valuable lessons he's learning about listening to his body.

Travis discusses his creative approach to maintaining fitness through cross-training (following the "10 minutes of biking equals 1 mile of running" rule), the difficult decision to pull out of Grandma's Marathon, and how he's setting his sights on Houston 2026 with Olympic Trial aspirations. As a medical student balancing intense academics with elite running goals, Travis offers a unique perspective on how his studies actually help prevent overtraining and provide mental balance.

From the realities of post-marathon recovery to finding the right balance between competition and health, this episode provides valuable insights for runners of all levels. Whether you're dealing with your own injury setback or simply curious about what it takes to compete at the highest levels while pursuing a demanding career, Travis's story offers both practical advice and inspiration.

Plus, hear about the incredible Dallas-Fort Worth running community and why this region continues to attract and develop world-class talent.

Check out the first episode here Med Student to Marathon Victor: Travis Dowd's Journey to 2024 Dallas Marathon Glory

Aaron Pearson discusses his Boston Marathon PR of 2:37:13, sharing insights about his race strategy and nutrition miscalculations that impacted his performance. Rena Elmer, a 42-year-old mother of seven, reveals her impressive Boston Marathon journey where she finished 43rd overall after entering ranked 50th. Mimi Smith details her Boston experience, where she ran 2:34:04 and placed 26th overall, achieving a PR on the challenging course. Jennifer Pope rounds out the group with her London Marathon accomplishment, running a 2:36:11 PR in what she described as the "rowdiest" marathon atmosphere she's experienced.

The runners engage in thoughtful discussion about several key marathon topics, including:

• Race preparation strategies and how they manage travel, rest, and expo experiences before major marathons
• The balance between racing competitively versus pursuing specific time goals
• Nutrition strategies and lessons learned during marathon performances
• The experience of running with or without pacers during elite marathon competitions
• Their future racing plans, including potential Olympic Trials aspirations

The episode offers valuable insights for runners of all levels while showcasing the impressive achievements of these local elite athletes. As Chris notes in his closing comments, the podcast celebrates both the athletic accomplishments and the dedication these runners bring to their craft.

The conversation covers their diverse training approaches—from high-mileage weeks (Jill's 100-mile peak) to quality-focused training (Liz's focus with young children)—and explores how these dedicated runners balance serious marathon training with family life. Rebecca candidly discusses her postpartum comeback with just 34 days of training, while Julie shares how the right nutrition strategy transformed her race experience.

The women recount memorable moments: Liz high-fiving spectators with a permanent smile, Maddie losing her phone at mile three (and amazingly getting it back!), Julie navigating water stations, and Rebecca balancing breastfeeding with marathon logistics. They also share practical Boston-specific advice about everything from booking hotels early to managing the deceptive course profile.

Whether you're a Boston qualifier yourself, aspiring to get there, or simply enjoy hearing authentic stories from passionate runners, this episode captures the electric atmosphere, supportive community, and magical experience that makes the Boston Marathon truly special.

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Jonathan shares his unique running journey, which began not as a passion but as training for tennis. After getting burned out on tennis during grad school in 2012, he discovered running as a standalone activity and quickly found success, running his first marathon in Chicago with an impressive 3:06 despite minimal structured training.

The conversation traces Jonathan's growth as a runner: joining Dallas Running Club, running New York Marathon, and eventually achieving a breakthrough 2:58 in Portland after following a more structured training approach. His running adventures include a rainy Boston Marathon experience where he laughed at the absurdity of the terrible conditions, and a triumphant return to New York in 2023 where he PR'd with a 2:57 despite balancing training with raising two young children.

Jonathan discusses his data-driven coaching philosophy and how becoming a parent transformed his approach to training - emphasizing consistency over perfection and the importance of "getting comfortable being uncomfortable." The episode concludes with Jonathan's involvement in the Form Follows Fitness 5K, which perfectly combines his love of architecture and running, and his role in encouraging colleagues to participate in the event.

Her story of winning the Dallas Marathon on her home course provides an inspiring conclusion to a conversation filled with practical wisdom for runners of all levels.

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Garrett also details his racing schedule, performance goals, and how a conversation with triathlon legend Greg Bennett convinced him to pursue the sport professionally despite having an established career. Throughout the conversation, Garrett provides fascinating insights into the world of professional triathlon training, the competitive landscape, and his connection to the vibrant DFW running community. 

Melanie candidly discusses running through pregnancy, postpartum comebacks, and how motherhood has shifted her perspective on training and performance. Whether she's fitting in runs after daycare drop-off or dreaming of breaking 2:50, her story demonstrates that elite performance and parenthood can coexist—even when sleep doesn't. This episode offers inspiration for competitive mother-runners and practical insights on maintaining high-level fitness during life's most demanding seasons. 

Discover how Maddie transitioned from casual runner to 2:50 marathoner after joining Dallas's running community, the importance of training partners who pushed her limits, and her creative strategies for fitting in high-mileage weeks around early morning family life. Maddie offers candid insights about maintaining her running passion through pregnancy, postpartum recovery, and the logistical challenges of elite training as a busy mom.

Whether you're a parent looking to maintain fitness, a competitive runner seeking inspiration, or simply love stories of perseverance, Maddie's journey from accidental Boston qualifier to motherhood marathon champion will motivate runners of all levels. Don't miss her preparation strategies for Boston 2025 and her "Summer of Strength" plans beyond!

Lea shares her remarkable evolution from running her first half marathon on a whim to achieving a 3:14 marathon PR at age 45. Listen as she reveals the methodical approach that's kept her injury-free for over a decade, her philosophy of training by effort rather than pace, and how working with sports nutrition experts revolutionized her performance.

This conversation goes beyond race accomplishments to explore the mental resilience required for ultra-marathons, the challenges of recent injuries, and how their shared adventures—including traversing the Swiss Alps—have strengthened their bond as a couple. Whether you're a seasoned marathoner or just beginning your running journey, Lea's emphasis on consistency over talent offers invaluable wisdom for runners at every level.

Join us for an intimate look at what it takes to sustain excellence in running and in life, told through the journey of one of Dallas's most inspiring yet humble marathon mavens. 

The interview captures the moment Andy became a 'real runner' – coincidentally the same day Michael Jackson died, when local teenagers shouted the news as he completed his first non-stop 2.1-mile run. From this humble beginning, Andy methodically tackled increasingly challenging distances, raising significant funds for charities along the way, including $20,000 for his first London Marathon.

Listeners will hear detailed accounts of each major marathon – from the emotional significance of Boston, which took him exactly 10 years to qualify for, to his spectacular fall and recovery during Tokyo. Andy shares his evolution as a runner, from struggling with basic training principles to eventually incorporating 70-mile weeks and structured long runs with strategic negative loading.

The conversation explores Andy's engineering mindset and how it applies to marathon strategy, including his unconventional A-B-C goal approach where his fastest goal was actually 'Plan C' – a mental trick that helped him achieve his Boston Qualifying time. He also reveals the emotional moments that defined his races, like placing a silk lily at the Boston bombing memorial and bursting into tears at the sight of Boylston Street.

Throughout the episode, Andy emphasizes that while the medals and accomplishments are rewarding, the true value lies in the running community – particularly Dallas's vibrant running scene and the incredible friendships formed along the way. From track workouts at 6 AM to margaritas after long runs, Andy's story demonstrates how running transcends physical fitness to become a lifestyle built around connection, challenge, and giving back through pacing opportunities.

Now semi-retired and contemplating new challenges like the emerging marathon majors in Sydney and Cape Town, Andy Wheatcroft's journey exemplifies how running can completely transform a life, one mile at a time.

The conversation explores how Matt found his running community with the "Sloths" - a semi-formal running collective in Dallas that balances serious training with a fun, supportive atmosphere. Matt candidly discusses his marathon experiences, including a humbling Boston debut, his coaching philosophy, and his current goal of breaking the 2:30 barrier.

What makes this episode particularly compelling is Matt's authentic perspective on running as something that should "restore energy" to your life, his insights on the mental game of marathon racing, and his vision for elevating Dallas's running scene by creating a community where runners inspire each other to reach new heights. Both recreational runners and serious marathoners will find valuable takeaways from Matt's thoughtful approach to training, racing, and building running communities.

Carlos discusses how he discovered his passion for running during the COVID-19 pandemic, his remarkably fast progression from novice to Boston qualifier in his first marathon (finishing in 2:55), and his strategic approach to training. The conversation covers Carlos's experiences with both road marathons and ultratrail races, including his participation in prestigious UTMB events as he pursues qualification for Western States.

Throughout the episode, Carlos offers insights about balancing professional life with serious running, training in Dallas's challenging climate, unique training camps he creates in mountainous regions, and how he combines his love of travel with running adventures across the globe. A fascinating look at the journey of a dedicated runner who has found ways to pursue excellence despite the limitations of training in a flat terrain city.

Join host Chris Detzel for an insightful roundtable with six elite DFW-area runners as they prepare for the prestigious Boston and London Marathons. This episode features Brent Woodall, Matt Barron, Aaron Pearson, Eric Bretl, Jennifer Pope, and Mimi Smith - collectively known as "The Sloths" - who share their impressive qualifying times, ambitious race goals, and detailed training strategies.

Listen as these accomplished athletes discuss their personalized training approaches, with weekly mileage ranging from 75-110 miles, and their perspectives on strength training, nutrition, and race-day fueling. The group dives into Boston Marathon course specifics, including the infamous Heartbreak Hill, and offers practical advice for handling everything from mid-race hydration to the unique challenges of Boston's late-morning start time.

Whether you're aiming for a Boston Qualifier or simply curious about high-performance marathon training, this episode provides valuable insights from runners targeting impressive sub-2:40 finish times while balancing careers, families, and everyday life. Don't miss their candid reflections on community support, finding sustainable training approaches, and their post-marathon plans.

Alfonzo's Running Journey

Alfonzo shares his humble beginnings in running, starting in 2009 when a coworker invited him to join a Luke's Locker social run. Despite struggling to complete the six-mile route, Alfonso persisted and gradually built his endurance. With a background in boxing, football, and tennis, Alfonso had some athletic foundation but found the transition to distance running challenging.

His first marathon (Dallas Marathon in 2009/2010) finished just under four hours, and Alfonzo candidly recalls sitting against a wall afterward, convinced it would be his last. However, encouragement from friends led him to continue, eventually transforming into an accomplished marathoner with a personal best of 2:42:40 at CIM (California International Marathon).

The Birth of Train Pegasus

Train Pegasus originated in 2019 when Alfonzo, who was already coaching individual runners, recognized the need for a group where his athletes could train together. What began as a small collection of runners has grown into a vibrant community that meets multiple times per week.

Alfonzo deliberately named the group "Train Pegasus" rather than using his own name because he wanted it to feel like a community rather than just his personal coaching business. The group has expanded through word-of-mouth and referrals, with no formal marketing required.

Coaching Philosophy

Alfonzo coaches approximately 75 active runners (and has coached over 200 total), from local Dallas runners to athletes in Canada and Mexico. His coaching philosophy centers on the "80/20 rule" - 80% easy running and 20% hard efforts. He emphasizes recovery and isn't afraid to run at slower paces (10:30-12:00 minute miles) during recovery days.

He works with runners of all levels, from those targeting one-mile improvements to ultramarathoners, and has even coached high school runners looking to break five minutes in the mile. Alfonzo takes pride in tailoring his approach to each athlete's needs and isn't afraid to refer runners to other coaches when he isn't the right fit.

Community Building

What stands out most about Alfonso's approach is his commitment to inclusivity. While Train Pegasus initially gained a reputation for fast runners, Alfonzo has deliberately created multiple weekly runs at various paces:

• Monday, Wednesday, Friday, and Sunday runs are more social and relaxed (9:30-10:30 pace)
• Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday workouts are for "clocking in" (more serious training)

Alfonzo personally ensures that newcomers feel welcome, often sacrificing his own workout to run with someone new to make sure they don't get lost. The group has grown from 4-10 people on social run days to 30+ participants, with workout days sometimes drawing 30-40 runners or more when multiple running clubs join together.

Balancing Life and Running

Throughout the conversation, Alfonzo discusses how he balances his full-time career at AT&T (where he's worked for 20+ years as an account manager) with his coaching responsibilities, which he describes as "a full-time job as well." He mentions that someday he might consider coaching full-time to provide more one-on-one training sessions.

Marathon Accomplishments

Alfonzo has completed 33 marathons, including New York as part of his journey toward completing all six World Marathon Majors (with Berlin scheduled next and hopes for London and Tokyo in the future). He typically focuses on one serious marathon effort per year, with his consistent performance ranging from 2:43 to 2:45.

He also frequently serves as a pacer for both races and his own athletes, including an upcoming 3-hour pacing duty at California International Marathon (Cowtown), which he has paced for the past 4-5 years.

Advice for Coaches

Near the end of the interview, Alfonzo shares wisdom for aspiring running coaches, emphasizing that success doesn't happen overnight. He advises new coaches not to take it personally when runners move to different coaches, comparing it to business relationships that naturally evolve over time.

Throughout the conversation, Alfonzo's passion for the running community shines through, as does his genuine desire to help runners of all abilities improve and enjoy the sport for the long term.

Andy's Running Background

Andy shared that he began his fitness journey in 2007 when he joined friends training with the Leukemia and Lymphoma Society. Interestingly, he started with triathlons before focusing more on running. He completed his first half marathon around 2007 with the Dallas Running Club. Andy mentioned dealing with common running injuries early in his journey, including IT band issues and a stress fracture.

The Running Streak

One of the most notable aspects of the conversation was Andy's impressive running streak. At the time of recording, he was on day 975 of his consecutive running streak that began during the COVID pandemic. He averages an astonishing 10 miles per day, having logged over 3,650 miles annually for the past four years. Despite a minor hamstring issue that briefly interrupted a previous streak, he's remained consistent and injury-free.

Race Director Experience

Andy detailed his involvement with the Fort Worth Marathon, which celebrated its 18th year in 2024. He initially volunteered for several years before stepping into the race director role in 2023. He shared insights about:

• The various race distances (marathon, half marathon, 20-miler, and relay)
• Challenges faced, including stolen course signs and portable toilet logistics
• Plans to expand to a two-day event with 5K and 10K races on Saturday and longer distances on Sunday

Hell's Half Acre Marathon

Andy also discussed his role as race director for the Hell's Half Acre Marathon, a night race in Trinity Park that evolved from the popular El Scorcho event. This unique race starts at night, with participants experiencing cooler temperatures as they run deeper into the night. He mentioned the race's history and the distinct atmosphere that makes it special.

World Marathon Majors

Andy revealed he's running two Abbott World Marathon Majors in 2025 - Tokyo in March and New York in November. Upon completion, he'll have finished five of the six major marathons.

Downhill Races

You both shared experiences about downhill races, including Revel races like Mount Charleston and Big Cottonwood, discussing the dramatic PRs these courses can produce and the intense muscle soreness that follows.

Pacing Experience

Andy discussed his extensive experience as a pacer with Beast Pacing, having helped many runners achieve their time goals at various events across DFW and beyond.

The conversation concluded with reflections on memorable running experiences, with Andy mentioning a 35-mile Dallas to Fort Worth adventure run and the satisfaction he gets from helping others achieve their running goals.

In this engaging episode of DFW Running Talk, host Chris Detzel interviews Cal Nef, an accomplished elite runner, coach, and race director based in Houston, Texas. The conversation explores Cal's multifaceted running career and his journey through various aspects of the running world.

Background and Running Career

Cal shares his lifelong journey with running, starting at age 4 in Louisiana before his family moved internationally for his father's oil industry career. These moves took him to places like Scotland, England, Thailand, Canada, and Australia, with running becoming his constant companion and defining characteristic. After competing at the collegiate level for the University of Little Rock and University of Houston, Cal took a break from running before rediscovering his passion through trail running.

Elite Running Accomplishments

As an elite athlete, Cal has impressive achievements including:

• Multiple Houston Marathon finishes (7 full marathons, 3 half marathons)
• Serving as an official pacer for elite women like Sarah Hall and Keira D'Amato
• Helping Keira D'Amato break the American marathon record (2:19)
• Winning both the Cowtown 50K and Dallas 50K
• Winning the Marine Corps Marathon
• Setting world records for running with strollers in the 10K, half-marathon, and marathon distances
• Competing at the prestigious Comrades Marathon in South Africa

Trail Racing Over Texas

A significant portion of the interview focuses on Cal's role as owner and race director of Trail Racing Over Texas (TROT). He explains how he acquired the company when it was about to shut down, driven by his passion to preserve the vibrant trail running community in the Houston area. Under his leadership, TROT hosts over 10 events annually, including signature races like:

• The Habanero 100 (a uniquely challenging race that begins at noon in the summer heat)
• San Felipe Shootout (where runners compete in 5K, 10K, and half marathon distances back-to-back)
• Brazos Bend 100 (a Western States qualifier)
• Big Dog's Backyard Ultra (modeled after Lazarus Lake's famous format)

Cal emphasizes how he strives to create unique race formats that challenge runners in different ways, moving beyond the standard "gun start, race to finish" model. He discusses the challenges of race directing, including logistics, safety protocols (drawing on his experience with Texas Search and Rescue), and balancing growth with maintaining quality experiences.

Coaching and Training Philosophy

Cal discusses his coaching business, Hard Loop Endurance, revealing that he had 50 athletes competing in the Houston Marathon. He explains his personal training approach, noting that despite being an elite runner, he's not a high-mileage athlete (typically running 30-50 miles weekly, rarely exceeding 100), though he coaches athletes across the spectrum, including some who regularly run 110-120 miles weekly.

Other Passions and Lifestyle

The interview also touches on Cal's other interests, particularly his passion for unpowered flight through hang gliding and paragliding. He lives in a fly-in community where his business operates from a hangar, and he and his wife are working toward their private pilot's licenses.

Cal also mentions:

• His podcast "The Neff Pace" that he hosts with his wife Rachel
• His volunteer work with Texas Search and Rescue
• Upcoming races including the Black Canyon 100K, where he's seeking a "golden ticket" to Western States

The episode provides a comprehensive look at Cal's diverse interests, accomplishments, and approach to running, coaching, and race directing, highlighting his unique position as someone who has succeeded at multiple levels of the running world while creating opportunities for others through his businesses and events.

Episode Overview
This episode of DFW Running Talk features host Chris Detzel interviewing Jennifer Pope, an elite runner from the Dallas-Fort Worth area who has made a remarkable journey from recreational soccer player to Olympic Trials qualifier in a short time span.

Jennifer's Running Background
Jennifer reveals that, unlike many elite runners, she did not have a traditional competitive running background. While she ran cross country in high school, she admits she never took it seriously. Instead, she primarily played soccer from age four through adulthood, participating in recreational leagues in Michigan and continuing when she moved to Texas, playing indoor soccer in Richardson and outdoor soccer in Addison.

Pandemic Transformation
Jennifer's serious running journey began during the COVID-19 pandemic in 2020 when soccer fields closed. Initially running just to stay active during lockdown, she stumbled upon a virtual 5K challenge that sparked her competitive spirit. As races gradually reopened, she attended a Plano Pacers event where she met Maddie Stier, an accomplished runner who inspired her.

Marathon Journey
Jennifer found a men's sub-3 marathon training plan online and, despite initially struggling with the prescribed paces, committed to it. Her first serious marathon was the Irving Marathon in 2021, where she ran a 2:50. She then qualified for Boston and continued improving, running Indianapolis Marathon in 2022 where she missed the Olympic Trials qualifying time by just 15 seconds (despite winning the race in challenging weather conditions).

Just five weeks later, she maintained her fitness and ran the Houston Marathon in January, achieving a 2:36:20 personal best and securing her Olympic Trials qualifier.

Training Approach & Community
Jennifer credits much of her success to finding a running community. After initially running with the Plano Running Club, she joined a group called "Completely Sloth" who train together several times a week. She emphasizes how crucial the group has been for accountability, motivation, and pushing her pace during workouts.

Challenges & Injuries
In the lead-up to the Olympic Trials, Jennifer faced significant setbacks including plantar fasciitis and bilateral hamstring tendinopathy. Despite extensive treatments including shockwave therapy and PRP injections, she's still managing these issues. Though she ran the 2023 Trials with limited training, she's continuing to work through these challenges.

Current Status & Future Plans
At the time of recording, Jennifer was cautiously building toward another marathon, potentially the London Marathon (pending championship entry acceptance). She emphasizes keeping running enjoyable despite competitive goals, balancing serious training with maintaining a positive mindset.

Notable Achievement (Post-Recording)
As noted, Jennifer went on to win the Cowtown Half Marathon in 2025 with an impressive time of 1:18:00, further demonstrating her continued excellence despite the challenges mentioned in the interview.

The episode opens with a humorous and heartwarming story of Dr. Alavi's first marathon experience at the Austin Marathon, where his attempt to impress a girl led to a humbling race experience. Running far too fast in the beginning and severely undertrained, he went from targeting a 2:45 finish to completing the race in 5:23. The story has a happy ending though - that same girl later became his wife and they now have two children together.

Dr. Alavi shares a pivotal moment in his running journey when he suffered a significant knee injury about 11 years ago. After his daughter's birth, he shifted to treadmill running exclusively and developed poor training habits that led to a serious injury. His attempt to self-treat (despite being a doctor) turned what should have been a three-week recovery into a two-year setback. During this time, he gained 30 pounds and struggled with the loss of his running identity.

The conversation then transitions into valuable medical insights as Dr. Alavi addresses common running misconceptions, particularly the myth that "running ruins your knees." He provides evidence-based explanations of why running, when done properly, actually benefits joint health. He also shares expert perspectives on heat acclimation training, explaining why Dallas runners have a natural advantage with their hot climate.

Throughout the episode, Dr. Alavi expresses his deep appreciation for the Dallas-Fort Worth running community, describing it as possibly the best running community in the country. He discusses his current goals, including pursuing a sub-3 hour time at the Boston Marathon and completing the Tokyo Marathon for his fifth World Marathon Major star.

The episode concludes with Dr. Alavi acknowledging various running groups and individuals in the DFW area who have supported his journey, highlighting the vibrant and diverse running community in the region. His story serves as an inspiring example of how running can lead to personal growth, community connection, and ongoing achievement despite setbacks.

The conversation provides valuable insights for runners of all levels, combining personal anecdotes, medical expertise, and practical advice about training, recovery, and the importance of community in running.

Key highlights from the episode include:

Early Running Journey:
- Started running in high school where sports participation was mandatory
- Used running to manage his pre-diabetic condition
- Set a lifetime goal in 1976 to average 3 miles a day
- Has maintained detailed handwritten running journals since 1979
- Recently logged his 50,000th mile in Berlin

Texas Marathon Career:
- Ran his first marathon at Cowtown in 1982
- Completed 50 marathons just in Texas
- Ran 21 White Rock Marathons and 20 Cowtown Marathons
- Currently serves on the Dallas Marathon advisory board
- Has completed 132 marathons total

Seven Continents Achievement:
- Became the first Black person to complete marathons on all continents
- Memorable experiences in Antarctica, including running up a glacier
- Combined Antarctica and South America marathons in one trip
- Completed his final continent (Africa) with fellow runners in Kenya
- Featured in Runner's World for this historic achievement

Professional Life and Leadership:
- Former business executive in IT
- Wrote books connecting marathon training principles to business leadership
- Advocates for transformative leadership style
- Encouraged staff to pursue their passions and take calculated risks
- Emphasized work-life balance and personal growth

Recent Projects:
- Directed award-winning documentaries about African American distance runners
- "Breaking Three Hours" about trailblazing African American women marathoners
- "We Are Distance Runners" won 19 awards internationally
- Connected with influential figures in running history
- Continues to be active in the running community

The episode provides fascinating insights into both the physical and mental aspects of marathon running, while also exploring themes of leadership, breaking barriers, and the importance of pursuing challenging goals. Tony's story demonstrates how running can transform lives and create unexpected opportunities for personal and professional growth.

Eric, the self-proclaimed "Chief Running Officer," and Sharon, the "VP of Happy Running," dive into their unique backgrounds—from Eric’s early days in sports marketing with the Indiana Pacers and Dallas Mavericks to Sharon’s fitness and event planning expertise. They talk about how their love for running, community engagement, and, of course, post-race beer led them to create a thriving business that specializes in organizing high-energy, well-branded running events.

Throughout the conversation, they share:

🏃 Their personal running journeys—how Eric lost 50 pounds through running and how Sharon was inspired by a stroller-pushing mom to start her own running adventure.
🏟️ Behind-the-scenes race stories—from managing volunteers to dealing with unexpected race-day surprises (like a hit-and-run porta-potty incident!).
🍺 The importance of making races fun—why their events emphasize party-like atmospheres, great swag, and post-run celebrations.
📈 The business side of race directing—the challenges of managing large-scale events, working with sponsors, and keeping up with the evolving running industry.
💰 How inflation and city regulations are impacting race costs—why organizing a race isn’t as simple as just marking a course and giving out medals.

Eric and Sharon also highlight some of their biggest events, including Mambo Miles 5K, Velvet Hammer 5K, Rahr Oktoberfest 5K, and Form Follows Fitness 5K, plus exciting insights into their future plans.

Whether you're a seasoned runner, a casual 5K enthusiast, or just love a good behind-the-scenes story, this episode is packed with insights, laughs, and motivation. Tune in to hear how these two have made running not just a passion, but a business that keeps the DFW running scene thriving!

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Episode Overview:
This episode offers an intimate look at the Cowtown Marathon through the eyes of its long-time executive director, Heidi Swartz. The conversation begins with Heidi's unexpected entry into running, which started in 1994 when she was required to run the Cowtown 10K with her son's elementary school team. Despite not being a runner initially, the experience inspired her to join the Cowtown organization, where she worked her way up from assistant to executive director in 2003.

Key Discussion Points:
- Heidi's personal journey from non-runner to race director
- The growth of Cowtown into the largest multi-event race in North Texas
- Comprehensive overview of Cowtown's year-round programs, including:
  - Youth running initiatives
  - Adult training programs
  - CALF (Children's Activities for Life and Fitness) program
  - Distribution of running shoes to over 5,200 underprivileged kids

Notable Insights:
- Detailed discussion of race organization challenges, including weather contingencies and COVID-19 adaptations
- Behind-the-scenes look at race preparations, including shirt ordering in June for February's race
- Information about Cowtown's community impact and relationship with the city of Fort Worth
- Stories about international participation, including a group from Nice, France
- Current race statistics and registration updates for the upcoming event

The episode provides valuable insights into both the technical aspects of managing a major racing event and the community-focused mission that drives the organization. Heidi's passion for community service and youth development comes through clearly, particularly when discussing programs that provide running shoes and training to underprivileged children.

The conversation concludes with current registration information for the upcoming Cowtown events, emphasizing the race's growing popularity with several distances nearing capacity.

Julie's journey into running began unexpectedly - she was actually a ballet dancer who thought running wasn't for her due to side stitches in high school (if only someone had told her those go away!). Her entry into running came through her father-in-law's Ironman race in Kona, which inspired her and her then-fiancé to attempt a five-mile turkey trot with zero training. Despite finishing so slowly the timing clock was turned off, Julie stuck with it, and that decision changed her life.

The conversation takes a fascinating turn when Julie discusses how White Rock Co-op differentiates itself from other running groups. Rather than just being about the miles, they've created what she calls a "running party" atmosphere. They deliberately choose post-run venues with long tables instead of individual seating to avoid the dreaded "high school cafeteria" effect where newcomers might feel awkward asking to join a table. The group celebrates accomplishments with mimosas and tacos after tough Saturday morning runs, proving you can train hard and still enjoy life.

What makes this episode particularly engaging is Julie's candid discussion about receiving two contrasting complaints in the same week - one person said the group was "too serious and fast," while another complained they "partied too much." Julie saw these opposing views as the perfect compliment, confirming they'd struck the right balance between dedicated training and social enjoyment.

The health benefits of running weave naturally throughout the conversation, but what stands out is how the social aspects actually enhance the fitness journey. As Julie explains, having friends waiting for you at 5:30 AM makes it much easier to get out of bed and log those miles. The group includes everyone from serious runners hitting impressive race times to casual joggers just enjoying the community, showing how running can be a path to both physical and social wellness.

One of the most charming moments comes when Julie describes their Christmas lights run, where it took an hour to cover just 2.5 miles because everyone was stopping to take photos and enjoy the spectacular decorations at "Electric Lizzy Land." The run ended, as many of their events do, with beers and conversation, perfectly exemplifying their philosophy that running doesn't have to be all business.

The episode masterfully illustrates how running can be both a serious athletic pursuit and a gateway to lasting friendships, proving that you can chase PRs (Personal Records) and still chase them with a mimosa afterward. It's a refreshing reminder that health and happiness often go hand in hand, especially when you find the right community to share the journey with.

Through Julie's stories and insights, listeners get a warm invitation into a world where fitness goals meet friendship, where hard work meets happy hour, and where everyone - regardless of pace - has a place at the (long) table. It's an episode that will make you want to lace up your running shoes and join the party... just maybe not during the Dallas summer heat!

Megan's running journey can be divided into two distinct "running lives." The first began in middle school and continued through college, where she specialized in the 800-meter event in track. After college, she took a five-year break from running before finding her way back through a social run group in 2010.

Her return to running led her to marathon training, and she completed her first marathon in Oklahoma City with an impressive time of 3:39. This sparked a deeper passion for distance running, leading her to complete multiple marathons, including four Boston Marathons. Her most recent Boston Marathon was in 2024, run as part of her 40th birthday celebration.

Megan's evolution into ultra running began around 2015 with her first 50K, followed by her first 50-miler at Rocky Raccoon in 2016. She has since completed six 100-mile races and two backyard ultras. One of her most challenging races was the Tahoe Rim 100-miler in 2023, featuring 18,000 feet of elevation gain and challenging altitude conditions.

A significant achievement came in her recent Summit Backyard Ultra victory, where she completed 175 miles over 42 hours. This was an improvement over her previous year's performance of 162.5 miles at the same event. The format required runners to complete 4.167-mile loops every hour until only one runner remained.

Throughout the interview, Megan discusses her training philosophy, which includes maintaining a mix of road and trail running, incorporating speed work, and managing weekly mileage between 60-80 miles. She balances her training with family life, including support from her running husband and managing time with their 4.5-year-old child.

Looking ahead, Megan has ambitious plans for 2025, including a 24-hour track race in February where she aims to run at least 130 miles, and she recently received an entry into the prestigious Western States 100-mile race in June.

Shantel began running in middle school, initially motivated by a desire to bond with her father, who was a talented runner. Though naturally gifted, she admits she didn't fully apply herself during her school years in Albuquerque, New Mexico, where she had access to excellent training opportunities and professional runners. Her relationship with running took a dramatic turn when her father passed away unexpectedly during her college years. After receiving news about his death the same day she had excitedly told him about joining a running class, she took several years away from the sport.

Eventually, Shantel returned to running as a way to feel connected to her father's memory. She joined the Dallas Running Club (DRC) around 2011, where she became increasingly involved, serving on the board and later becoming a pace leader for training groups. Her first marathon attempt was planned for Dallas, but hip issues prevented her from completing the training. She then targeted the Mountains to Beach Marathon in California, where she aimed to qualify for Boston but hit the wall at mile 20.

The conversation details her progression as a marathoner, including qualifying for and running the Boston Marathon in 2015, where she achieved a PR of 3:17. She maintained similar times even after having her first daughter in 2016 and twins later. A significant breakthrough came when she reconnected with Shadrach, a former high school running acquaintance who had become a coach. Under his guidance, she improved dramatically, dropping her time to 3:06 at Mountains to Beach.

Recent achievements include winning the Cowtown Marathon in challenging heat conditions, where she made a dramatic pass in the final mile to break the tape as the first finisher. Most notably, just two weeks before the interview, she achieved a remarkable sub-3 hour marathon at CIM (California International Marathon), running 2:58. This achievement came after adding a nutritionist to her support team and having all her children in school full-time, allowing for more focused training.

Throughout the interview, Shantel discusses various aspects of her development as a runner, including the importance of proper recovery, nutrition, and the mental aspects of racing. She emphasizes how having children has actually helped her mental toughness in marathoning, teaching her to break challenges into smaller, manageable goals. The conversation also touches on the value of having professional support through coaching and nutrition guidance, and how these elements helped her continue improving even as she aged.

The episode concludes with Shantel expressing hope that her running journey and achievements serve as an inspiration to her children, teaching them valuable lessons about setting and pursuing goals.

Dr. Lopez candidly discusses his experience as a hyperactive child who found solace in movement, particularly during recess and PE classes. He describes his transition through different Dallas neighborhoods, from Little Mexico to Pleasant Grove, where street sports with neighborhood kids became his first introduction to organized physical activity. Without access to formal youth sports programs, these informal games became his training ground.

The conversation takes a meaningful turn as Dr. Lopez shares how he discovered running in middle school and high school. He details the influential roles of two key mentors: Coach Estelle, who recognized his raw talent and encouraged him despite starting as the slowest runner on the team, and Coach Bert Williams, who introduced him to structured training and the possibility of collegiate running.

A particularly poignant aspect of the episode is Dr. Lopez's discussion of running as both an outlet for his struggles and a path to opportunity. He speaks openly about running with "rage" as a young immigrant athlete, competing against more privileged schools, and how this emotional fuel, while effective, wasn't necessarily healthy. As a licensed professional counselor today, he importantly distinguishes between running as a coping mechanism and the necessity of proper mental health care.

The episode concludes with the beginning of his post-collegiate running journey, specifically his first marathon experience in San Antonio, where his college racing experience met the harsh reality of marathon distance - a story that leaves listeners eager for part two.

Throughout the interview, Dr. Lopez weaves in valuable insights about immigrant experiences in sports, the importance of mentorship, and the intersection of mental health and athletics. His story particularly highlights the untapped potential in many immigrant communities and the impact of accessible sports programs.

The episode serves as both an inspiring personal narrative and a thoughtful commentary on broader themes of immigration, education, athletics, and mental health in the running community. It's particularly relevant for runners, coaches, educators, and anyone interested in the transformative power of sport.

A significant focus is placed on Smith's dominance in the BMW Dallas Half Marathon, where she's won three consecutive years. She details her training approach for the most recent victory, maintaining 60-mile weeks while scaling back from her usual 80-mile marathon training weeks. Smith shares her race strategy, including how she mentally prepared for competition from other Olympic Trial qualifiers.

The conversation explores Smith's involvement in the Dallas running community, highlighting her participation in groups like Train Pegasus and Oak Cliff Run Crew. She emphasizes the importance of community in maintaining consistency with early morning workouts and training partnerships.

Looking ahead, Smith outlines her plans for 2024-2025, including the Boston Marathon and a half marathon in Miami. She discusses her long-term goals, particularly focusing on qualifying for the 2028 Olympic Trials, with plans to attempt the qualifying time in early 2026, possibly at the Houston Marathon.

The episode also includes a memorable anecdote about stealing track signs during her college racing days, adding a personal and humorous element to the conversation. Smith concludes with valuable advice for runners at all levels, emphasizing the importance of patience in training progression and building proper foundations before focusing on speed.

Throughout the interview, Smith demonstrates her expertise as both an elite athlete and a physical therapist, offering insights into proper training progression and the importance of building volume before intensity.

Host Chris Detzel interviews Quin Jenson, a runner and former Brooks ambassador from the Dallas area. The conversation traces Jenson's journey from his football playing days to becoming an avid runner. In 2015, after returning from college and working a warehouse job, Jenson began running to lose weight. His running journey took a more serious turn when his girlfriend gifted him an entry to the Austin Half Marathon in 2019.

Throughout the discussion, several key themes emerge:

1. **Injury and Recovery**: Jenson shares his experience with two knee surgeries in the past two years. After running the 2021 Houston Marathon, he experienced significant knee problems that eventually led to surgery. He's currently at about 70-80% recovered and able to run 3-4 miles comfortably.

2. **Brand Ambassador Experience**: Jenson discusses his previous role as a Brooks ambassador and his continued work with various running brands, reviewing products and providing feedback. With over 9,000 Instagram followers, he's built a significant presence in the running community.

3. **Running Philosophy**: Unlike many competitive runners, Jenson emphasizes enjoying the journey rather than focusing on times. He views running as a way to stay healthy and build community rather than a competitive pursuit.

4. **Trail Running Experience**: He shares an entertaining story about running his first 50K trail race at North Shore trails, highlighting his lack of trail running experience and getting lost during the race.

5. **Community Focus**: Throughout the interview, Jenson repeatedly emphasizes the importance of the running community. He discusses his involvement with various running groups like Mind Over Ballot (which evolved into Run It Up) and ZFT, and how he uses his platform to give back to the community.

6. **Current Goals**: Looking ahead, Jenson plans to run the Houston Half Marathon in 2025, taking a relaxed approach to training while focusing on recovery and having fun.

7. **Family Life**: The conversation touches on how Jenson balances running with being a parent to a seven-year-old daughter, and how his girlfriend's CrossFit training has influenced his own recovery and training approach.

The  conversation provides an authentic look at the running community in Dallas-Fort Worth while highlighting the importance of persistence, community, and finding joy in running regardless of speed or competition level. The tone is casual and conversational, making complex running topics accessible to listeners of all experience levels.

Interview Overview:
- Travis Dowd won the Dallas Marathon in his first-ever marathon attempt, finishing in 2 hours and 26 minutes
- The conversation covers his athletic journey, training approach, and race experience

Background & Early Career:
- Started as a soccer player who transitioned to running in middle school
- Chose running over soccer in high school due to the collaborative nature of the running community
- Attended Rice University on a running scholarship
- Competed in 5K and 10K events in college with a personal best of 14:47 in the 5K

Training & Preparation:
- Maintained 75-80 miles per week during marathon training while attending medical school
- Structured training included:
  - One hard workout on Tuesdays
  - One workout within long runs on weekends
  - Rest of the week focused on easy mileage
- Faced several injury scares during training, including back problems and calf issues
- Worked with Dr. Logan Sherman for injury treatment and recovery

Race Day Experience:
- Started conservatively, running with Mimi Smith for the first four miles
- Targeted 5:30-5:35 pace for the first eight miles
- Found himself alone after the half-marathon split
- Trained extensively around White Rock Lake, which helped during the race
- Struggled from mile 23 onwards but maintained composure
- Had strong community support throughout the course

Post-Race:
- Experienced severe muscle cramping after finishing
- Required about 30-60 minutes of recovery before being able to move properly
- Currently focusing on proper recovery
- Looking ahead to potentially running the Cowtown Half Marathon
- Has future goals of possibly qualifying for the Olympic Trials (OTQ)

Personal Philosophy:
- Uses running as a tool to maintain balance with medical school
- Emphasizes the importance of nutrition and sleep in training
- Advocates for the Dallas running community
- Encourages new runners to start gradually and find supportive running groups

The interview provides an intimate look at both the technical and emotional aspects of marathon training and racing, while also highlighting the balance between athletic pursuits and professional education.

Woodward shares her evolution from a college track athlete at the University of Central Arkansas, where she focused on shorter distances and steeplechase, to becoming a marathon champion. With only two marathons under her belt - Houston and Dallas, both in 2024 - she has already achieved remarkable consistency, running 2:46:22 at Houston in January and winning the Dallas Marathon with a time of 2:46:51 in challenging, humid conditions.

The interview delves into Woodward's training approach under coach Sean Weirich of Arkansas Track Club. She discusses her preparation for Dallas, including three-hour training runs and specific workouts like double thresholds. Woodward also openly addresses the challenges she faces, particularly with nutrition due to gastroparesis, and how she manages these obstacles during races.

A particularly interesting segment covers her race-day experience at the Dallas Marathon, where she maintained a positive attitude through the first half, hitting the halfway mark at 1:22, and interacting with crowds and other runners. Despite facing difficulties after mile 18 and being unable to take nutrition after that point, she persevered to claim victory in challenging conditions with 98% humidity.

The conversation also touches on her future aspirations, including potential Olympic Trials qualifying attempts in both the marathon and steeplechase. Woodward discusses her immediate plans to return to track racing while balancing her upcoming wedding and her work at Gray Matter Human Performance, a comprehensive athlete care facility she co-founded.

Throughout the interview, Woodward comes across as both highly accomplished and remarkably humble, offering insights valuable to runners of all levels while sharing her inspiring journey from college track athlete to marathon champion.

Key Topics Covered:

1. Personal Running Journeys:
- Buddy shares how he started running at age 17 during a lonely period after moving in with his aunt and uncle
- His first marathon experience in 2010-2011, completing it in challenging conditions (37 degrees and rain) with an impressive time of 3:32
- Chris's journey back to running in his late thirties, inspired by Buddy during a difficult period post-divorce

2. Mental Health Benefits:
- Discussion of running as a coping mechanism
- The importance of exercise in regulating the nervous system
- How physical strength can contribute to mental resilience
- The role of exercise in managing depression and anxiety

3. Community Aspects:
- The significance of running groups in building relationships
- How organic connections form through shared activities
- Personal stories of friendships and relationships formed through running communities
- The evolution of running groups into social connections

4. Psychological Insights:
- The concept of the "dictator within" versus compassionate self-talk
- Dealing with mental blocks in performance
- The importance of psychological flexibility
- Handling injuries and setbacks with a balanced mindset

5. Family Impact:
- How their running habits have influenced their children
- The importance of modeling healthy behaviors
- Their children's developing interest in running and exercise

6. Professional Perspective:
- Buddy's insights as a licensed counselor on exercise and mental health
- The relationship between physical activity and therapy
- The importance of living according to one's values
- Strategies for maintaining psychological flexibility

The episode provides a unique blend of personal experiences, professional insights, and practical advice about the relationship between physical activity and mental well-being. The brotherly dynamic between Chris and Buddy adds an authentic and relatable element to the discussion, making complex topics more accessible to listeners.

The conversation concludes with information about Buddy's practice at Authentic Therapy Solutions, where he specializes in acceptance commitment therapy and bioenergetics therapy.

Running Time: Approximately 37 minutes

The episode successfully bridges the gap between running as a physical activity and its broader implications for mental health and community building, offering valuable insights for both experienced runners and those interested in the psychological aspects of exercise.

Key Discussion Points:

1. Running Backgrounds & Achievements:
- Brent Woodle's impressive 2:28:04 marathon PR
- Javier Trilla's 2:50:00 marathon PR and 1:21:40 half marathon PR
- Their involvement with White Rock Running Co-op

2. Training Insights:
- Brent's high-volume training (110-120 miles per week at peak)
- Javier's training approach (peaking at 88-89 miles per week)
- Discussion of race preparation and tapering strategies
- Pre-race nutrition and fueling strategies

3. Race Experiences:
- Detailed discussion of local races including Run Dallas, Cowtown Marathon, and Turkey Trot
- Race strategy and psychological aspects of competition
- Experiences with pacing other runners in marathons
- Insights into the competitive 5K scene in Dallas

4. Running Community:
- The evolution of running groups in Dallas
- Discussion of White Rock Running Co-op's role in the community
- Training group dynamics and the challenges of finding training partners at elite paces
- The importance of community in maintaining motivation

5. Personal Insights:
- Discussion of what motivates them to maintain high-volume training
- Balancing competitive running with other life commitments
- The challenges of winter training and early morning runs
- Their approach to racing and recovery

The conversation provides both technical insights for serious runners and relatable moments for recreational athletes, offering a well-rounded view of elite-level running in the Dallas area. The chemistry between the hosts and their shared experiences in the local running scene make for an engaging and informative discussion.

The episode stands out for its honest discussion of both the challenges and rewards of competitive running, while maintaining an accessible tone for listeners of varying experience levels.

Key storylines from the episode include:

Early Life and Running Origins:
- Born in Dallas to a runner father who was motivated by his own father's cardiac-related death
- Started as an overweight kid who discovered running through a memorable punishment from his PE teacher, Coach Holiday, who made him run two miles
- Developed under coach Terry Jessup, who initially questioned what to do with "this fat little kid" but helped shape him into a serious runner

Athletic Development:
- Dealt with heart arrhythmia issues throughout high school and college
- Won state championships in high school, including a dramatic story about being added as an unprecedented ninth runner in a state meet
- Attended Texas A&M, where he achieved a notable 29:41 10K time but struggled with various personal challenges
- Won his first Dallas Half Marathon in 2003 after his father literally pulled him out of bed to race

Professional Career:
- Inspired by his college chiropractor to pursue chiropractic medicine
- Attended Parker University for his chiropractic degree while continuing to race
- Won the 2015 Dallas Marathon after 16 years of pursuing that goal
- Finished second to Keith Pierce in 2016 in another memorable race

Leadership Role:
- Joined the Dallas Marathon board in 2017
- Currently serves as Chairman of the Board
- Works with a small but effective team of four people who manage an event drawing over 30,000 participants
- Emphasizes the marathon's connection to Scottish Rite Hospital for Children

The episode provides intimate details about Sherman's personal struggles and triumphs, including his battle with heart issues, academic challenges, and the mentorship he received throughout his journey. It also offers insight into the current state of the Dallas Marathon and its significance to the local community.

The conversation feels particularly timely as it was recorded just before the upcoming Dallas Marathon, with Sherman now serving in a leadership role for the event he once won as an athlete. Throughout the interview, Sherman's passion for running and his commitment to the Dallas running community clearly shines through, making it a compelling listen for both runners and community members interested in local sports leadership.

The episode effectively balances personal anecdotes with insights into race organization and community building, providing listeners with both entertainment and valuable information about one of Dallas's premier sporting events.

Throughout the episode, Wendi delves deep into several crucial topics for runners:

- The importance of proper protein intake for runners, recommending 1.4 to 2 grams per kilogram of body weight daily
- Race-day nutrition strategies, including practical advice about pre-race meals and debunking common myths about carb-loading
- Budget-friendly fueling options for ultra-distance events, including natural alternatives to expensive energy gels
- The critical role of protein in maintaining muscle mass, especially for runners over 40
- The relationship between sleep and nutrition in athletic performance
- Real success stories from her practice, including transformative weight loss cases

Wendi also addresses common nutritional misconceptions in the running community and provides specific recommendations for:
- Quality protein sources and timing
- Proper creatine supplementation (including why not to mix it with coffee)
- Pre-race nutrition strategies
- Ultra-running fueling approaches
- Age-specific nutritional considerations

The conversation showcases Wendi's passionate, no-nonsense approach to nutrition while providing practical, actionable advice for runners of all levels. She emphasizes the importance of working with qualified professionals and shares resources for listeners to learn more about proper sports nutrition.

This episode is essential listening for any runner looking to optimize their nutrition for better performance, recovery, and long-term health. Whether you're training for your first 5K or your fiftieth ultra-marathon, Wendi's expertise offers valuable insights for taking your running journey to the next level.

📱 CONNECT WITH WENDI:
Website: https://www.nutritionwithwendi.com/  
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/nutrition_with_wendi/ 
Twitter: https://x.com/Wendi_Irlbeck 

Watch it on YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@DFWRunningTalk  

Libby's story begins in 2005 with her first race, the St. Paddy's Dash, and evolves through her transformation into the president of the Dallas Running Club, where she grew membership from 1,000 to 4,000 members. She candidly discusses her progression from road races to ultramarathons, completing 38 marathons and ultras before a serious leg injury during the pandemic changed her path.

As the founder of The Active Joe, Libby offers insight into creating some of Texas's most beloved racing events, including the New Year's Double and Dinosaur Valley Endurance Run. She discusses the challenges and triumphs of race directing, from losing venues to building inclusive spaces for underrepresented communities in running.

The conversation takes an exciting turn as Libby reveals her recent move to Montreal and hints at potential future expansion of The Active Joe into Quebec. Throughout the episode, she emphasizes the importance of creating safe, welcoming spaces in trail running for all communities, including women, LGBTQ+, and people of color.

Listeners will appreciate Libby's honest discussion about the business and community aspects of race directing, volunteer management, and the evolution of trail running in DFW. Her passion for the sport and commitment to inclusivity shines through as she shares both personal stories and professional insights from nearly two decades in the running community.

Whether you're a seasoned ultrarunner, a race director, or someone interested in the development of running communities, this episode offers valuable perspectives on leadership, community building, and the future of trail running in Texas and beyond.

Key Narrative Threads:

1. Personal Transformation
- Goyen's battle with alcoholism and journey to sobriety (12 years sober)
- Discovery of running as a replacement for addiction
- Accidental introduction to trail running through Houston's Memorial Loop

2. Business Innovation
- Creation of Trail Racing Over Texas (TROT) from informal group runs
- Expansion from 2 to 17 races annually
- Revolutionary marketing approaches including Facebook Live events and sign-up-a-thons
- Strategic focus on social media and community building
- Detailed insights into race economics and business operations

3. Operational Excellence
- Emphasis on volunteer management and appreciation
- Development of ambassador programs
- Strategic approach to race scaling and growth
- Focus on consistent race experiences across events
- Innovation in race technology and communication

4. Personal Cost & Challenges
- Impact of losing a runner at Brazos Bend
- Mental health struggles and anxiety
- Balance between business success and family life
- Decision to step away from race directing
- Transition to Ultra Signup role

5. Industry Insights
- Evolution of trail running community in Texas
- Importance of business acumen in race directing
- Role of volunteers in race success
- Future of race technology and communication
- Balance between growth and maintaining community feel

The episode provides both inspirational personal narrative and practical business insights, making it valuable for aspiring race directors, trail runners, and anyone interested in the intersection of business and outdoor sports. Goyen's candid discussion of both successes and struggles offers a rare glimpse into the realities of building and running a successful trail racing company while managing personal challenges and family obligations.

This episode stands out for its raw honesty, practical business insights, and the compelling story of personal transformation through trail running. It serves as both a cautionary tale and an inspirational guide for those interested in the business side of trail running events.

Duration: Approximately 50 minutes
Format: Interview/Conversation
Notable Quote: "My job is to put really big races on that feel like really small races."

At just 24 years old, Briston has defied conventional wisdom by building a thriving race management company that now operates 35+ events across Texas. His story begins in a college dorm room with just $300 to his name and unfolds into a testament to entrepreneurial spirit and dedication to the trail running community.

KEY DISCUSSION POINTS:

HUMBLE BEGINNINGS
• Started with Apache Running clothing line in high school
• Conceived Texas Outlaw Running (originally Texas Devil Running) in a college economics class
• Initial funding through creative micro-investments from dorm mates

BUSINESS GROWTH & DEVELOPMENT
• Evolution from controversial first race to professional race management
• Strategic approach to race selection and locations
• Innovative marketing strategies using limited resources
• Development of multiple revenue streams: races, coaching, and merchandise

OPERATIONAL INSIGHTS
• Building and maintaining a dedicated volunteer community
• Creating exceptional race experiences through three key principles:
  - Best aid stations
  - Perfect course markings
  - Most encouraging staff and volunteers
• Expansion into road racing with the upcoming Gainesville Marathon

PERSONAL JOURNEY
• Balancing multiple roles: Race Director, CEO, Coach, Teacher, and new father
• Near-quitting moment in 2023 before breakthrough success
• Current training for Houston Marathon
• Integration of faith and business principles

INDUSTRY PERSPECTIVE
• Discussion of trail vs. road race dynamics
• Strategic decisions behind race distances and locations
• Insights into the future of Texas trail running

BUSINESS PHILOSOPHY
• "One brick at a time" approach to building the business
• Focus on simplicity and user experience
• Commitment to reinvesting in the business
• Emphasis on genuine connections with the running community

The conversation provides valuable insights for:
• Aspiring race directors
• Entrepreneurs in the sports industry
• Trail and road runners
• Anyone interested in building a community-focused business

This episode stands out for its raw honesty about the challenges of building a business in the running industry, while offering practical insights into successful race management and community building. Briston's story serves as both inspiration and practical guide for anyone looking to turn their passion into a successful business venture.

Running Time: 53 minutes

Rachel shares intimate details about her athletic evolution, beginning with her high school achievements including a 59-second 400m and competing in state-level cross country. She discusses her transition to professional cycling, including her experience racing for Lee's McRae College and several professional teams, before a pivotal career shift led her to Texas law enforcement. The episode explores how running re-entered her life through police academy training, where she had to rebuild her running foundation despite her cycling fitness.

Key segments include:

Professional Athletic Career:
- Early running achievements in Virginia high school athletics
- Transition to professional cycling and collegiate racing
- Experience with professional cycling team dynamics and challenges
- Return to running through law enforcement career requirements

Running Achievements and Setbacks:
- Detailed account of her 2:44 marathon PR at Houston Marathon
- The emotional Olympic Trials qualifying attempt story
- Comprehensive discussion of her insertional Achilles tendinopathy
- In-depth explanation of her surgical journey and six-month recovery process
- The importance of seeking multiple medical opinions for sports injuries

Coaching Philosophy and Experience:
- Partnership with renowned coaches Sandy and Sage Kennedy
- Transition from cycling coach to running coach
- Detailed approach to athlete development and progression
- Experience coaching runners across multiple continents
- Emphasis on individualized training approaches
- Integration of both running and life demands into training plans

Running Community Insights:
- Discussion of DFW area running groups and communities
- Importance of proper progression for new runners
- Balance between competitive goals and long-term health
- Real-world examples of athlete success stories
- Integration of law enforcement work with running pursuits

Technical Training Aspects:
- Detailed discussion of training periodization
- Importance of recovery in training cycles
- Approach to helping runners return from injuries
- Methods for building sustainable running habits
- Tips for balancing high-level training with career demands

Whether you're a beginner runner looking to safely start your journey, an experienced athlete seeking to optimize your training, or someone interested in the intersection of law enforcement and competitive running, this episode provides comprehensive insights from someone who has succeeded at multiple levels of athletic achievement. Rachel's unique perspective as both a law enforcement professional and elite coach offers valuable lessons about balancing serious athletic pursuits with career demands.

But this isn't just another "how I became an ultra runner" story. Greg spills the dirt on building DFW's trail running community, where post-run craft beers are just as important as mile splits. He breaks down why he thinks marathon training is harder than ultra training (yes, you read that right), and why he prefers mountains where you can "take breaks" during 35-hour races (we see what you did there, Greg).

From coaching newbies to veterans, dodging copperheads at Rowlett Creek (nature's interval training), to building a community that turns road runners into trail lovers, Greg shares how he's helping shape DFW's running scene. Whether you're a seasoned trail warrior or someone who still thinks running sucks, this episode proves that sometimes the best journeys start with just making it around the block - and maybe a post-run beer or two.

Warning: This episode may cause sudden urges to sign up for ultra marathons, buy trail shoes, and join Tuesday night runs in Plano. Side effects may include an inexplicable desire to run up mountains and a new appreciation for snakes as training partners.

Here's Greg Sisengrath's contact information:

Social Media:
- Instagram: @ultraninjarunnr
- Facebook: Greg Sisengrath

Groups:
- Facebook Group: Team Dirt and Vert

Website:
- www.GregSisengrath.com (mentioned for race calendar)

For anyone interested in joining Team Dirt and Vert group runs:
- They post their weekly runs every Monday on their Facebook page
- Runs are free and open to anyone
- Locations typically include:
  - Tuesday: Plano (Oak Point)
  - Thursday: Plano (hill repeats)
  - Friday: Rowlett Creek (ladies' group run)
  - Sunday: Erwin Park ("Struggle Bus Sunday")

Episode Overview
This inaugural episode of DFW Running Talk features host Chris Detzel interviewing Javier Trilla, a local runner and coach in the Dallas-Fort Worth area. The conversation covers Javier's running journey, his coaching experiences, and insights into the local running scene.

Key Topics Discussed

Javier's Running Background
- Started running about 10 years ago
- First race was the Plano Balloon Fest 5K in 2015
- Quickly progressed to longer distances, including marathons

Motivation and Community
- Importance of running groups and community in staying motivated
- Discusses various local running groups in DFW area

Training and Injuries
- Talks about the importance of proper pacing in training
- Shares personal experience with injuries, including a stress reaction

Coaching
- Began coaching about a year ago
- Discusses approach to new clients and setting realistic expectations

Race Experiences
- Favorite local races include DRC Half and YMCA Turkey Trot
- Has run Boston Marathon multiple times

Training Tips
- Emphasizes the importance of easy runs and recovery
- Discusses incorporating strength training into running routines

Nutrition and Lifestyle
- Shares insights on balancing running with social life
- Favorite pre-race meal is pizza

Gear and Technology
- Uses various shoes for different types of runs
- Prefers Garmin watches for running

Future Goals
- Still focused on chasing PRs
- Interested in potentially running more international marathons

Advice for New Runners
- Recommends Couch to 5K program for beginners
- Emphasizes patience and consistency in building up mileage

Closing Thoughts
The episode concludes with Javier sharing his contact information for coaching inquiries and Chris encouraging listeners to rate and review the podcast.

Connect with JT:
Website: https://jtendurance.com
Instagram: @JTendurancetraining 
Email: JTendurancetraining@gmail.com