Watermark's Church Leadership Podcast

1 Timothy 5:1–16 | How to Care for People Well

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 13 May 2026 00:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Dave Bruskas walk through 1 Timothy 5:1–16 and unpack Paul’s vision for relationships inside the church.

They discuss:

Why leadership must be relational, not just strategic
The danger of harshness in ministry
How churches can care well for vulnerable people
What this passage teaches about family responsibility

If you’re seeking to shepherd people faithfully while building healthy ministry systems, this episode offers practical wisdom and encouragement grounded in Scripture.

1 Timothy 4:11–16 | A Church Leader's Life and Doctrine

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 22 Apr 2026 00:00:00 -0500

What does it look like for a church leader to faithfully watch their life and doctrine? In this episode, John McGee and Dave Bruskas walk through 1 Timothy 4:11–16 and talk about the type of church leadership that lasts.

They discuss:

What Paul’s charge to Timothy means for young leaders
Why a leader’s example matters as much as their teaching
How to steward the gifts God has given you
Why faithful progress matters more than perfection

This conversation is a clear reminder that lasting ministry is built on sound doctrine, godly character, and a life rooted in Christ.

1 Timothy 4:1–10 | Guarding Against Legalism

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 15 Apr 2026 08:55:08 -0500

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Dave Bruskas walk through 1 Timothy 4:1–10 and unpack Paul’s warning against legalism in the church. They discuss:

How false teaching often adds rules where God gives freedom
Why leaders must be careful not to confuse personal conviction with spiritual maturity
What it looks like to train for true godliness instead of performance-based religion

1 Timothy 3:8–13 | Qualifications for Deacons

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 01 Apr 2026 00:00:00 -0500

What does a healthy church look like from the inside out? In this episode of Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Dave Bruskas dive into 1 Timothy 3:8–13 to unpack the role of a deacon—who they are, what they do, and why the church needs them.

This episode unpacks:

The difference between elders and deacons
The role of women in the church
Practical tips for assessing deacon candidates

1 Timothy 3:1–7 | Qualifications for Elders

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 18 Mar 2026 01:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Dave Bruskas walk through 1 Timothy 3:1–7 and reflect on the calling, character, and responsibility of elders in the church.

They discuss:

Why aspiring to church leadership can be a good and godly desire
Why elder qualifications are rooted more in character than competency
How leadership at home shapes leadership in the church

This conversation offers practical wisdom for current elders, aspiring leaders, and anyone who wants to serve the church with humility and integrity.

1 Timothy 2 | How Should the Church Gather?

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 04 Mar 2026 00:00:00 -0600

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Dave Bruskas walk through 1 Timothy 2 and explore what Paul teaches about how the church should gather. From corporate prayer and unity to leadership roles and cultural tension, this passage challenges leaders to think carefully about what pleases God when His people come together. They discuss why prayer should be central—not transitional—why unity is a powerful witness in a divided world.

1 Timothy 1:12–20 | How to Lead with a Clear Conscience

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 18 Feb 2026 17:04:30 -0600

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Dave Bruskas walk through 1 Timothy 1:12–20 and unpack what it means to lead from grace—not performance. The Apostle Paul calls himself the worst of sinners, and then says Jesus considered him trustworthy. What does that mean for church leaders today?

Together, John and Dave explore:

Why ministry is a gift to be received—not a goal to be achieved
The danger of becoming a “practical legalist” in ministry
Why alignment between your doctrine and your life matters

1 Timothy 1:8–11 | Avoiding Moralism as a Church Leader

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 04 Feb 2026 00:00:00 -0600

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Dave Bruskas continue through 1 Timothy, unpacking verses 8–11. They discuss how this passage shows that misusing the law leads to confusion and, ultimately, to moralism. Listen in to learn more about:

Why clarity on the gospel always matters—especially in leadership
How well-intended teaching can drift into moralism
Why obedience flows from identity, not effort

1 Timothy 1:3–7 | The Aim of Faithful Leadership

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 21 Jan 2026 00:00:00 -0600

What’s the real measure of faithful church leadership? In this episode of our

1 Timothy series, John McGee and Dave Bruskas talk through 1 Timothy 1:3–7 and press into a deceptively simple, but deeply challenging question for every church leader: what is the aim of our leadership? Paul tells Timothy that the goal of faithful leadership isn’t programs, platforms, or performance. It’s love—love that flows from a transformed heart, a clear conscience, and sincere faith. In this episode, John and Dave explore how the gospel—not fear, pressure, or control—is what actually produces that kind of love in a church.

1 Timothy 1:1–2 | A Church Leader’s Identity & Calling

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 07 Jan 2026 13:16:12 -0600

The Church Leadership Podcast is officially on video, and we’re kicking off 2026 with a brand-new series through 1 Timothy. You can now watch on YouTube and Spotify—or listen wherever you stream podcasts—as we step into this next season together. In this first episode, John McGee and Dave Bruskas reflect on what faithful leadership looks like when it’s rooted in our identity and the grace of God.

In this episode, they talk about:

Knowing who you are and who you’re not as a church leader
Why clarity of calling brings confidence without arrogance
The importance of spiritual fatherhood, friendship, and long-term relationships in ministry

Five Ways to Finish the Year Well

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 17 Dec 2025 00:00:00 -0600

As this year comes to a close, we want to share one final conversation with you—not to give you more to do, but to offer a moment to pause.

In our final episode of the year, John McGee shares five simple ways to finish the year by leading yourself well, creating space for reflection and clarity as you step into what’s next.

Key takeaways from this episode:

Attend to the people closest to you
End the year in gratitude
Simplify your habits and focus
Clarify what truly matters
Create space for joy and renewed energy

More than anything, this episode is our way of saying thank you for your faithfulness and the many unseen ways you’ve shown up to serve God’s people this year.

The Quiet Revival in the UK

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 03 Dec 2025 00:00:00 -0600

In this week’s Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Tyler Moffett, Director of Discipleship at The Porch, share what they saw on a recent trip to the UK and why it matters for churches here at home.

Finish Your Race with Great Joy

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 12 Nov 2025 00:00:00 -0600

Ministry can feel a lot like running a marathon—long, demanding, and full of moments when you wonder if you can keep going. In this week’s Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee shares what the New York City Marathon taught him about the race of ministry. From finding a sustainable pace to staying faithful in each season, he unpacks how leaders can endure—and even enjoy—the miles ahead. John reminds us that finishing well is about crossing the finish line surrounded by people you love, at peace with your relationships, and full of joy.

How to Lead Better by Saying No

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 29 Oct 2025 00:00:00 -0500

In this episode of Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee shares why learning to say “no” may be one of the most important skills you’ll ever develop as a church leader. He offers practical wisdom and real-life lessons on creating margin so you can say yes to what matters most and use your unique gifts to build up the body of Christ.

Crisis Communication for Churches

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 15 Oct 2025 00:00:00 -0500

When crisis hits your church, how you communicate can build—or break—trust. In this episode, John McGee sits down with Watermark’s Executive Director of Communications, Caitlin Van Wagoner, to talk about what it means to lead with wisdom, calm, and clarity when a crisis hits.

5 Lessons from John Calvin

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 01 Oct 2025 00:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Dave Bruskas, take listeners on a journey through the life and legacy of John Calvin. Fresh from visiting Geneva, John shares powerful reflections on walking where Calvin once preached and the lessons he carried home. Together they unpack what every church leader can learn today from Calvin’s example.

How to Lead in This Cultural Moment

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 17 Sep 2025 15:30:26 -0500

Last week was sobering. Between heartbreaking acts of violence, the anniversary of 9/11, and the shocking assassination of Charlie Kirk, many pastors and church leaders found themselves asking: How do I shepherd my people in moments like this?

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Dave Bruskas sit down for a candid, impromptu conversation. They reflect on how leaders can:

Lead with a biblical worldview
Help their people process and see the hope of Christ
Steward when people are walking into church for the first time

How Church Leaders Should View Social Media

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 03 Sep 2025 00:00:00 -0500

Social media can amplify your ministry—or quietly erode your soul. For church leaders, it raises a critical question: do you really need an online presence to be faithful and effective?

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee is joined by Dave Bruskas and Emma Dotter to explore the opportunities and dangers of social media in ministry. Together they discuss:

Why church leaders don’t have to be on social media to lead well
How online presence can disciple, encourage, or unintentionally harm others
Practical wisdom for guarding your heart and leading your staff teams online
The importance of accountability, discernment, and love in every post, like, and comment

Cultivating Zeal in Ministry

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 20 Aug 2025 00:00:00 -0500

Zeal is more than emotion. It’s an abiding passion for Jesus that sustains us in both fruitful and difficult seasons of ministry.

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee is joined by Dave Bruskas, Emma Dotter, and Kylen Perry to discuss what “zeal” really means, why it matters, and how leaders can cultivate it. Together they talk through:

The difference between “zeal” for results vs. “zeal” for Jesus
The subtle threats that cause zeal to fade—burnout, apathy, distraction, and opposition
Practical ways to reignite your heart and sustain passion for the long haul of ministry

If your fire feels dim or if you want to keep it burning brighter, this episode is for you.

Becoming a Sending Church

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 06 Aug 2025 00:00:00 -0500

In this week’s episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, J.D. Greear shares one of the most compelling leadership talks from Church Leaders Conference 2025. He challenges us to rethink how we define success in the church.

Drawing from the words of Jesus in John 14 and the explosive growth of the early church, J.D. casts a vision for something better than building big crowds: multiplying disciples and sending leaders. Learn from J.D. what it means to be a sending church.

How Godly Leaders Respond to Opportunity

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 23 Jul 2025 00:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, we’re sharing a talk that John McGee, Senior Director of Watermark Resources, gave at the Church Leaders Conference 2025. Drawing from John 15:15, where Jesus says, “I have called you friends, for everything that I learned from my Father I have made known to you,” John lays out a powerful pattern for spiritual leadership: Listen to God. Trust Him. Go. This episode is a call to spiritual attentiveness and bold obedience—because the time to lead with urgency is now.

The Real Cost of Discipleship

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 09 Jul 2025 00:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, we’re sharing a talk that Dave Bruskas, Executive Director of Discipleship, gave at Church Leaders Conference 2025. Teaching from Luke 14, Dave reminds us of the true cost of following Jesus, and then challenges us to consider: Are we following Jesus on his terms, or ours? Dave encourages leaders to be disciples who are loyal to Jesus above all people, pursuits, and possessions. This message is an invitation for us all to rediscover the true cost and beauty of discipleship.

The State of Your Heart and Calling

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 25 Jun 2025 00:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Timothy Ateek, Lead Pastor of Watermark Community Church, shares his opening talk from the 2025 Church Leaders Conference. In a room full of ministry leaders, TA invites us to pause and reflect on three powerful questions: What’s the state of your heart? What’s the status of your calling? What’s the real win in ministry? Through 1 Chronicles 28, TA offers honest encouragement for leaders who may feel spiritually stuck or stretched thin. Whether you’re running strong or feeling weary, this episode is a timely invitation to return to your first love and reignite your passion for the work God’s called you to.

How to Invest in Young Leaders

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 11 Jun 2025 00:00:00 -0500

In this follow-up episode to "7 Ways to Develop Young Leaders,” John McGee sits down with Emma Dotter, Director of Join The Journey, and Kylen Perry, Executive Director of The Porch, to unpack practical ways to develop young leaders. In this conversation, Emma and Kylen reflect on pivotal moments from their own leadership journeys and offer wisdom for both young adults navigating their calling and for veteran leaders looking to invest well into the next generation.

7 Ways to Develop Young Leaders

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 28 May 2025 00:00:00 -0500

We keep asking why the next generation is leaving the Church, but Grant Skeldon thinks we’re asking the wrong question. Instead, we should be asking, how are we discipling the next generation? In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, recorded live at the 2025 Church Leaders Conference, Grant calls us to stop handwringing over what is wrong and to start identifying what is working. He explores key discipleship moments for raising up the next generation leaders and what you can do to help develop more young leaders in the church.

Link to the printable Young Leader CLC Handout.
Here is the link to apply to our Young Leader Cohort.

How Athanasius and Nicaea Shape Your Leadership

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 14 May 2025 00:00:00 -0500

Seventeen centuries ago, a courageous pastor named Athanasius, and the historic Council of Nicaea defended an important truth of our faith—that Jesus is both fully God and fully man. In this unique episode, John McGee sits down with Rob Barry, Garrett Wikle, and Grant Wilkie to unpack why the Council of Nicaea (325 AD) still matters for your faith, your leadership, and the life of the Church.

Recommended Books on Church History:

• Church History in Plain Language – Bruce Shelley

• In the Year of Our Lord: Reflections on Twenty Centuries of Church History – Sinclair Ferguson

• The Story of Christianity, Volume 1 – Justo González
• The Story of Christianity, Volume 2 – Justo González

• Christianity: The Biography – Ian J. Shaw

• A Pocket History of the Church – D. Jeffrey Bingham

• 50 People Every Christian Should Know – Warren W. Wiersbe

Helpful Videos and Messages:

• Irish Heresies Video (YouTube) – A fun and memorable explanation of early church heresies.

• Contending for Our All by John Piper (Desiring God)

You Have Everything You Need to Glorify God

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 30 Apr 2025 00:00:00 -0500

Have you ever felt like you needed just one more thing to truly make an impact? In this solo episode, John McGee shares a refreshing reminder from his years in ministry: you already have everything you need to glorify God—and to lead with joy. Whether you’re dealing with tight budgets, limited staff, or facility space, this episode is for you.

Financial Wisdom for Church Leaders

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 16 Apr 2025 00:00:00 -0500

Money can be a sensitive topic for ministry leaders—but it doesn’t have to be. In this episode, John McGee, Dave Bruskas, and John Cox share personal stories and practical wisdom on stewarding personal finances with integrity, cultivating contentment, and planning for the future. Whether you’re leading a church or just starting in ministry, this honest, grace-filled conversation will challenge and equip you to lead well—both in your budget and your heart.

Working with Gen Z Leaders

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 02 Apr 2025 00:00:00 -0500

In this episode, John McGee sits down with Emma Dotter (Join the Journey Director) to unpack why Gen Z works differently, how we (often unknowingly) contributed to that shift, and what you can do to build trust, call them up, and help them thrive. Whether you’re leading a team, mentoring young leaders, or just trying to understand the next generation in your church, this conversation will give you clarity, encouragement, and practical steps forward.

Are You Overcorrecting in Leadership?

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 19 Mar 2025 00:00:00 -0500

Leaders want to make the right decisions, but past mistakes can lead to overcorrection—fixing one problem while creating another. In this episode, John McGee unpacks how this happens in our hiring, theology, and leadership transitions, and how to avoid reactionary decisions. Learn to make thoughtful adjustments that lead to lasting impact.

Leading Through Church Growth

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 05 Mar 2025 00:00:00 -0600

Church growth is exciting—but it also brings leadership challenges. Maybe you’re feeling the weight of too many decisions, struggling to keep up with relationships, or realizing that what worked in the past isn’t working anymore. You’re not alone—every growing church faces these moments. The real question is: How will you lead through it?

In the latest episode of Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee, Dave Bruskas, and John Cox share insights on:

✅ Why churches stall—and how to break through

✅ How to delegate without losing control

✅ The leadership shifts every growing church must make

Combating Imposter Syndrome

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 19 Feb 2025 00:00:00 -0600

Ever feel like you don’t belong in the role you’ve been given? You’re not alone. In this episode, John McGee and Dave Bruskas dive into the realities of imposter syndrome—how it shows up in leadership, why it happens, and how to push through it. With personal stories, biblical wisdom, and practical strategies, they remind us that insecurity is a universal challenge, but it doesn’t have to hold us back. Tune in and be encouraged: what’s hard today will become easy tomorrow if you lean in.

How Leadership Gifts Shape the Church

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 05 Feb 2025 00:00:00 -0600

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee unpacks the roles of APEST found in Ephesians 4:11-13 —Apostles, Prophets, Evangelists, Shepherds, and Teachers —and how these leadership giftings shape the church. He explores their strengths and challenges, explaining why a balanced team is essential for both growth and sustainability. Whether you’re planting churches or leading teams, this episode will help you recognize, empower, and collaborate with different gifts for maximum impact. 

Knowing When to Stay

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 22 Jan 2025 00:00:00 -0600

In today’s fast-paced culture, it’s easy to feel the pull toward the next big opportunity. As a follow-up to December’s episode, Knowing When to Leave, this episode dives into the topic of knowing when to stay and the value of long-term leadership in ministry. If you’re wrestling with the decision to stay or go, this episode offers practical wisdom and encouragement to embrace the long game in ministry—and experience the joy it brings.

The Power of Urgency

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 08 Jan 2025 00:00:00 -0600

Urgency can make or break a leader. In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee unpacks the topic of urgency and why it is the secret weapon of great leaders by driving motivation and action. Tune in for encouragement and practical steps to help you lead with urgency, embrace meaningful goals, and move your organization away from complacency.

If No One Has Told You Yet...Thanks

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 18 Dec 2024 00:00:00 -0600

In the final episode of the year, host John McGee expresses gratitude to listeners for their selfless service to Christ and others. He acknowledges their impactful work and extends heartfelt thanks for their dedication, both seen and unseen. We will see you all in 2025!

Knowing When to Leave

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 04 Dec 2024 00:00:00 -0600

Struggling to discern if it’s time to step away from your current role? In the next episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Dave Bruskas (Director of Re:generation at Watermark) dive into the challenges of navigating career transitions in ministry. From recognizing the impact on your family and addressing unresolved conflicts to aligning your desires with God’s will, they offer practical wisdom and spiritual guidance for making these tough decisions. Don’t miss this insightful conversation on how to leave well—or stay with purpose.

Recommended Resources:

The History of Re|engage

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 00:00:00 -0600

Join the Church Leadership Podcast as we celebrate Watermark Community Church’s 25th anniversary by exploring the inspiring history of Re|engage. Since its inception in 2006, our marriage enrichment ministry has transformed the lives of over 137,000 couples across 650 churches. Hear powerful personal stories of change and discover how this gospel-centered discipleship program strengthens marriages, fosters community and accountability, and aims to impact one million marriages.

www.reengage.org

The Power of a Master Calendar

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 30 Oct 2024 00:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Caitlin Van Wagoner dive into Watermark's Master Calendar system. They chat about how it keeps the church mission-focused and resources in sync, tackling the ups and downs of growing organizations. Tune in to hear about the power of solid planning, the importance of leadership buy-in, and how teamwork makes ministry more impactful.

Designation Service Menu
Master Calendar Process Explained

Prioritize Your Marriage

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 16 Oct 2024 00:00:00 -0500

In this session from Church Leaders Conference, John and Pam McGee share the importance of prioritizing your marriage as your first ministry. He emphasizes evaluating one's ministry, the significance of character and competency in leadership, and the necessity of being content and intentional in your marriage.

CLC Giveaway Blocks

Things We Say Around Watermark

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 00:00:00 -0500

In this episode, we dive into “Watermarkisms;” the phrases and sayings that help shape the culture at Watermark Community Church. John McGee and Ashley Lawrence unpack the importance of the words we choose, how they influence your team, and create a culture of ownership.

Watermark's Owners Manual

Popular Phrases We Say Around Watermark:
1. Ride Along
2. Think Like an Owner
3. Last 2%/ 24-Hour Rule/ Widen the Circle
4. Preach, Pray, or Die
5. Faithfulness of the Leader, Faithfulness of the Team
6. Farkle/ That's a Way to Lose!/ High-Risk High-Reward
7. Find the One
8. How's Your Ministry?
9. Stay in the Ring With Me
10. All Hands on Deck
11. The Most Important 100 are the Next 100
Bonus: Knock Your Socks Off

Leading Through Trials and Suffering

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 18 Sep 2024 00:00:00 -0500

In this week’s episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Dave Bruskas (Director of Re:generation) shares his personal journey of working in ministry and the hardships he has faced along the way. Listen to be reminded of God's faithfulness and sustaining presence, and be encouraged of the ways He uses our challenges to shape our faith and leadership.

Navigating Faith Deconstruction

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 04 Sep 2024 00:00:00 -0500

On this week’s episode of the Church Leaders Podcast, explore the reasons behind faith deconstruction and gain insight on supporting those going through it. Key themes include church hurt, justification for sin, politics, intellectual doubts, cultural pressures, and personal experiences, with in-depth discussion on understanding truth, authority, and offering empathy. The discussion highlights the importance of being pastoral, patient, and loving while pointing individuals back to scripture during this process.

The 6 C's of Crafting Culture

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 21 Aug 2024 00:00:00 -0500

Creating a strong culture is crucial for any organization, including churches. In this week’s episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Dave Bruskas explore how leaders must clearly define and communicate the desired culture, recognize and correct behaviors that align or conflict with it, and consistently reinforce it over time.

Leading Your Church in Economic Uncertainty

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 07 Aug 2024 00:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee is joined by Luke Friesen (Senior Director of Operations) and John Cox (Executive Pastor) to discuss strategies for navigating economic slowdowns and decreased giving. Learn how strong communication, building reserves, and finding creative solutions will help you lead confidently through financial uncertainties.

How to Lead Creatives

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 24 Jul 2024 00:00:00 -0500

People who see the world in unique ways and have original problem-solving approaches are a huge asset to any team. But if you want to help your creatives reach their full potential, you need to understand how to best engage with them. John McGee, Caitlin Van Wagoner (Senior Communications Director), and David Penuel (Creative Director) discuss maximizing creative gifting in the church on this week’s episode of the Church Leadership Podcast.

Downloads:
CLC Breakout Slides - The Creative Process

How Creativity Really Works

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 10 Jul 2024 00:00:00 -0500

Creativity matters because we are called to reflect our Creator God. Many of us, however, think of creativity as being accessible only to the talented few who fit a certain stereotype. This week on the Church Leadership Podcast, we gathered some of our staff’s best creative minds to demystify the creative process and explore how we can harness it for God’s glory.

Downloads:
Creativity is a Remix by Kirby Ferguson (Ted Talk)
A Technique for Producing Ideas by William Young

How to Lead Yourself After the Fall of Another Leader

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 26 Jun 2024 00:00:00 -0500

When news of a pastor’s moral failure breaks, it’s appropriate to grieve for the pain the sin has caused and the damage God’s reputation has suffered. On this week’s episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Dave Bruskas wrestle with their own complicated feelings about recent scandals and explore how we can lead ourselves well—avoiding self-righteousness and reorienting ourselves to truth.

Sowing Seeds of Ministry

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 12 Jun 2024 00:00:00 -0500

None of us are capable of making ministry fruitful, but we’re still charged with putting in the work and waiting in faith for God to bring the growth. In a special message at the Church Leaders Conference this Spring, John Elmore encouraged us to work alongside God’s Spirit and His other faithful workers in this great “co-mission.”

Cultivating Community

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 29 May 2024 00:00:00 -0500

Church leaders are the first to extol the importance of biblical fellowship, but we aren’t always the best at practicing it. This special message from Harris Creek Baptist Church pastor Jonathan “J.P.” Pokluda, first given at CLC 2024, calls leaders to drop any pretenses and embrace the God-given gift of Christian accountability. This isn’t a race you can run well alone.

The Priority of Prayer: A Course Correction

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 15 May 2024 00:00:00 -0500

If you weren’t able to join us at the Church Leaders Conference this year, check out pastor Timothy Ateek’s opening mainstage message on prayer as a spiritual checkpoint. Without attentive care, it’s easy to let your spiritual priority drift from enjoying God’s presence through prayer. We kicked off our time together by taking a hard look at ourselves and discussing how we can get back on-course if we’ve drifted.

Things I Didn't Learn in Seminary: The Art of Leading and Serving Your Family

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 17 Apr 2024 00:00:00 -0500

We wrapped up the “Things I Didn’t Learn in Seminary” podcast series this week with an episode on how to lead and serve in your first and most important ministry: your family. Shepherding your family well--listed in 1 Timothy as a leadership qualification--can be challenging. Whether you have a spouse and kids or hope to someday, it’s worth preparing to face these occupational hazards with eyes wide open.

Things I Didn't Learn in Seminary: The Art of Personal Interactions

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 03 Apr 2024 00:00:00 -0500

Ever heard the joke, “I love ministry—it's people I can’t stand”? It’s funny because interacting with people can be difficult, but people are our ministry, and the way we interact with them matters immensely. In this week’s episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Dave Bruskas talk about the nuances of interpersonal exchanges, drawing from years of real-life ministry experience.

Things I Didn't Learn in Seminary: The Art of Administration

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 20 Mar 2024 00:00:00 -0500

Incompetence isn’t always a moral issue, but it will hobble your ministry just as quickly. People are inherently skeptical of churches, and if you don’t keep the trains running on time, you’ll erode their trust. In the fourth installment of this series, John McGee and Dave Bruskas discuss how the X’s and O’s of ministry administration, from complying with government regulations to maintaining excellent facilities, can either support or detract from the message of the Gospel.

Things I Didn't Learn in Seminary: The Art of Leading Yourself

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 06 Mar 2024 00:00:00 -0600

Ministry has a definite and appropriate outward focus. But you can’t lead others well if you aren’t leading yourself first—spiritually, practically, and physically. In this week’s episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Dave Bruskas and John McGee discuss how stewarding your own time and gifts, from your schedule to your personal spiritual walk, can hugely impact your ministry’s fruitfulness.

"The Rule of Life" Reference

Things I Didn't Learn in Seminary: The Art of Organizational Leadership

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 21 Feb 2024 00:00:00 -0600

A lot of us go into ministry unconsciously believing that we just need to know how to teach and preach well, when in fact, leadership involves a huge amount of team management and goal-setting. In this week’s Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Watermark Director of re:generation Dave Bruskas return with more things they didn’t learn in seminary that have been invaluable in their pastoring careers.

Things I Didn't Learn in Seminary: The Art of Pastoring

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 07 Feb 2024 00:00:00 -0600

Seminary is invaluable for a pastor, but some aspects of ministry can only be learned through hands-on experience. This week’s episode of the Church Leadership Podcast kicks off a new 6-part series covering things we’ve learned on the job: how to handle a confession, what to say at a hospital visit, and much more.

The One Thing You Must Do This Year

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 24 Jan 2024 00:00:00 -0600

Many of us have set ambitious goals for 2024. While it’s great to learn new skills and accomplish new things, the best way to have an impact is simply to be faithful. In this week’s episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee reminds us that Jesus honors faithful servants—not accomplished servants or goal-crushing servants.

How to Operate Under a Leadership that You Don't Respect

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 10 Jan 2024 00:00:00 -0600

At some point, most of us will end up working under someone we don't see eye-to-eye with. In this week’s Church Leadership Podcast, Watermark Resources Project Coordinator Ashley Lawrence breaks down how examining your motivation and mindset can empower you to take the right action steps.

Actionable Steps:
1. Be a champion, not a criticizer
- Are you gossiping and complaining or praying for your leadership and bringing solutions?
- Commit to put effort behind the decision that was made, even if it wasn't your first choice.
2. Receive and give feedback
- We need to be able to receive feedback before we can give it.
- It's important for leaders to have people in their corner who can tell them the hard truth. Be one of those people.
- When you have feedback, always ask "Can I ask you a question" or "Are you open to feedback?"
- It's not loving to withhold feedback from people you care about, if you love your leadership, help refine them.
3. Assume the best about your leadership team
- If you consistently negatively interpret their actions or motives, that's only going to make you more bitter
4. Find people that are thriving
- Who around you is highly motivated, loves what they do, and wants to encourage others?
- Ask these people questions and learn from them!
- If you don't have anyone like this around you, be the catalyst! It's contagious.
5. Pray constantly
- If you feel frustrated by your leadership team, pray for them - it's much harder to be bitter towards someone when you pray for them.

Staff Value #4 - Having Fun

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 13 Dec 2023 00:00:00 -0600

The joy of the Lord is our strength, and lighthearted fun strengthens a team. In this week’s episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Braun Brown and Sean Hill share the importance of not taking yourself too seriously and how church leaders can harness the power of fun to bring people together for effective Gospel work. The last of Watermark’s four staff values, having fun is one of our defining traits—and one we think any church can adopt.

Watermark's Staff Values

Staff Value #3 - Team Unity

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 29 Nov 2023 00:00:00 -0600

Just like a finger won’t survive long if it’s severed from the hand, our spiritual health depends on connection to the rest of Christ’s body. We’re meant to function together, and without unity as one of our core values, our mission will fall apart. Caitlin Van Wagoner and David Penuel join this week’s Church Leadership Podcast to talk about how church staff can not only avoid gossip and division, but also pursue each other relationally and prioritize collaboration.

Watermark Staff Values - Download
"Resolving Staff Conflict" - David and Caitlin's Talk from CLC
Conflict Roadmap - Download

Staff Value #2 - Excellence in What We Do

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 08 Nov 2023 00:00:00 -0600

Churches that do not encourage their staff to excel are missing an opportunity to honor God and inspire others. On the other hand, churches that pursue excellence for the wrong reasons have made an idol out of something that should be an offering. On this week’s Church Leadership Podcast, Watermark teaching pastor John Elmore joins John McGee to talk about faithfully executing our work to the best of our abilities without losing sight of our mission.

Watermark Staff Values - Download

Staff Value #1 - Dependence on God

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 25 Oct 2023 00:00:00 -0500

Too often, we assume that we don’t need to tell church staff to rely on God. But Christians routinely affirm spiritual dependency as a concept without living it out practically, valuing strategy over sensitivity to the Spirit. This week’s podcast covers why dependence on God is at the top of Watermark’s core values for its staff and what this looks like practically.

Watermark's Staff Values - Download

Resolving Staff Conflict

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 11 Oct 2023 00:00:00 -0500

Even in full-time ministry, when imperfect human beings work closely together, conflict is bound to arise. As leaders, we have the opportunity to reflect Christ in a uniquely tangible and powerful way through how we resolve conflict. In this talk, first given at CLC 2023, two of our veteran staff members walk through a conflict they personally experienced and how they were able to restore peace biblically.

Conflict Roadmap PDF
Video Download

5 Biggest Ministry Regrets

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 27 Sep 2023 00:00:00 -0500

As fallible humans, anyone who serves in ministry for a significant length of time will have some regrets—opportunities they should have taken, relationships they should have invested more in, and words they should have said (or not said). In this week’s Church Leadership Podcast, Watermark Director of re:generation Dave Bruskas reflects on the things he would do differently if he could go back, and how other church leaders can minimize their own regrets.

7 Things I'm Glad We Did Early On

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 13 Sep 2023 00:00:00 -0500

The seeds you plant when your church is still young can grow into a life-giving, God-honoring community in the years to come. On this week’s episode, John McGee recalls the ideas that shaped the early days of Watermark Community Church, the fruit that’s come from them, and how you can identify the values that are most important to focus on in your church body.

Don't Quit - We're Not Home Yet

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 30 Aug 2023 00:00:00 -0500

This week, John McGee broaches a topic that many church leaders grapple with but hesitate to speak about: feelings of discouragement and burnout in ministry. The weight of guiding a congregation, meeting expectations, and constantly pouring yourself out can sometimes be profoundly exhausting. If you've ever found yourself on the brink of giving up, you might need to be reminded of the truth we shared with thousands of church leaders at CLC 2023: "Don't quit - we're not home yet."

Cultivating Staff Culture

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 16 Aug 2023 00:00:00 -0500

Your team can be a place of gratitude, where people feel seen and celebrated--or a place of discouragement and drudgery. It largely comes down to what you cultivate. On this week’s Church Leadership Podcast, veteran Watermark leaders Braun Brown and Joey Tisdale discuss how to craft a vision for your staff’s culture and then nurture it into being.

Do This, Not That

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 02 Aug 2023 00:00:00 -0500

God has clearly revealed his moral will to us in the Bible. But what about the “should I?” questions that leaders encounter every single day? How do we make decisions that aren’t morally black or white, but gray? Watermark Lead Pastor Blake Holmes spoke at CLC this year about a framework for godly decision-making. (Want more content like this? Don’t miss CLC 2024--early registration is open now.)

Show Notes:
Should I? PDF Download
Should I? Sermon Series - Part 1
Should I? Sermon Series - Part 2

Every Shepherd Needs a Shepherd

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 19 Jul 2023 00:00:00 -0500

Let’s be real: at times, ministry can leave us feeling stressed-out, overwhelmed, and out of control. Watermark teaching pastor Timothy Ateek has learned that when it's a struggle to shepherd others, it’s more important than ever to find our peace and identity in God’s identity as Shepherd.

How to Turn Around Underperforming Teams

Watermark Community Church — Thu, 06 Jul 2023 00:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leader's Podcast, John McGee and Watermark's Senior Director of Community and Pastoral Care, David Dzina, sit down to discuss what it looks like to step into leadership on an underperforming team.

Building Effective Teams

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 21 Jun 2023 00:00:00 -0500

Could you be wasting your most valuable resource? On this week’s episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, special guest Jonathan “JP” Pokluda of Harris Creek Baptist Church shares how to maximize your ministry’s potential by building a healthy team.

How to Deliver a Sermon

Watermark Community Church — Thu, 08 Jun 2023 00:00:00 -0500

In our last Church Leadership Podcast, Watermark teaching pastors Timothy Ateek and John Elmore walked us through the ways they prepare messages. This week, we’re behind the curtain again to see how they continue to improve their actual sermon delivery. Understanding your audience, getting useful feedback, finding your own unique style—it's all here.

How to Prepare a Sermon

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 17 May 2023 00:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the Church Leader's Podcast, John McGee sits down with Watermark's teaching pastors Timothy "TA" Ateek and John Elmore to discuss their methods of planning when it comes to sermon preparation.

Trading Ambition for Faithfulness

Watermark Community Church — Mon, 01 May 2023 00:00:00 -0500

Before he led at Watermark’s Young Adult Ministry or preached at Harris Creek in Waco, Jonathan “JP” Pokluda was money-driven and success-obsessed. In this week’s Church Leadership Podcast, JP shares how he found himself in vocational ministry with no ladder to climb and had to rethink his whole approach to life.

What Leaders Look For - Part 2

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 05 Apr 2023 00:00:00 -0500

Last week, John McGee and Caitlin Van Wagoner shared some qualities that make people stand out on a team. Now they’re back with more habits of exceptional employees—like following through, challenging the status quo, and soliciting feedback—and how you can develop them. (You can find Part 1 here.)

What Leaders Look For - Download

What Leaders Look For - Part 1

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 22 Mar 2023 00:00:00 -0500

Certain people stand out as exemplary teammates, and it can be hard to put your finger on why. In this week's Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee and Caitlin Van Wagoner examine the qualities that make these people so exceptional, how to use them to distinguish yourself on a team, and how leaders can cultivate them in an organization.

How to Onboard New Staff and Volunteers

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 08 Mar 2023 00:00:00 -0600

In many ways, the way you bring an employee or volunteer on board sets the tone for their experience going forward. It goes beyond just setting them up with a key card or a lanyard with a name tag; it’s a chance to introduce them to the culture they’re joining and communicate how valuable they are to the team. Special guests Josiah Jones and Lanie Eberhard joined this week’s Church Leadership Podcast to share their best practices for starting things on the right foot.

Onboarding Documents from Watermark's HR Department:
Onboarding Document - Hosts and Guests
Onboarding Document - Events and Ministries
Onboarding Document - Contacting Facilites, IT and Production
Onboarding Document - Writing Your Website Bio

What to Do After a Win

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 22 Feb 2023 00:00:00 -0600

Responding to failure gets a lot of attention– but what about success? What’s the right response of a Christ-follower when things go well? What’s the difference between confidence and arrogance? In this week’s podcast, John McGee shares the six things you should always do after a win.

Leading From the Inside Out

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 08 Feb 2023 00:00:00 -0600

The last few episodes of the Church Leadership Podcast talked about physical health and growth, but internal health is just as important. Leadership can be lonely, and the constant pressure to produce and perform can push “inside health” to the bottom of the priority list. If you strip away all the external results of your efforts and instead examine just your heart, how are you actually doing?

10 Ways to Be Your Own Chief Development Officer

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 25 Jan 2023 00:00:00 -0600

Most of us hope to continue growing and developing throughout our lives. However, without taking conscious steps, it's easy to become complacent in our daily routines and habitual ways of thinking. In this week's podcast, John McGee shares ten actionable strategies to foster your own growth and self-improvement.

Physical Health and the Church Leader

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 11 Jan 2023 00:00:00 -0600

Most of us acknowledge our bodies as temples to be stewarded for God’s glory, but it’s easier said than put into practice. In today’s episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Luke Friesen and Bobby Rodriguez explain some of the spiritual implications of physical health and some measurable steps you can take toward being a healthier leader.

Strategy Made Simple

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 14 Dec 2022 00:00:00 -0600

When is the last time you thought about strategic plans? For many of us, it's probably been a little while. On this episode, we're joined by Harvard MBA and Executive Pastor of Watermark Community Church, John Cox as we dive into the key elements of crafting a strategic plan and common pitfalls to avoid.

Managing Your Emotions as a Leader

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 30 Nov 2022 00:00:00 -0600

Even competent employees won’t last long if they can’t manage their own emotions. Unfortunately, most of us can't even identify our emotions, much less realize when we’re allowing them to drive our decisions. On this week’s podcast, Jeff Ward, Watermark Director of External Focus, shares six tips for understanding, embracing, and managing the God-given gift of emotions.

The Value of Setting Strategic Priorities

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 16 Nov 2022 00:00:00 -0600

In a time of growth and transformation for Watermark, leaders invested extraordinary amounts of time and prayer into identifying, articulating, and reinforcing the church’s four strategic priorities. Elder and senior pastor Blake Holmes shares his takeaways on bringing clarity and focus and securing team buy-in.

How to Leave a Job Well

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 02 Nov 2022 00:00:00 -0500

The job isn’t done just because you’re moving on. How you leave is how you will be remembered; it starts long before you leave and doesn’t end the day you resign. John Cox draws from his own experience to share insight about building an environment of trust and navigating transitions with godliness.

The Leader's Most Important Job

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 19 Oct 2022 00:00:00 -0500

There’s no shortcut around spending time with God. Theology, visions, and strategies don't matter if you aren’t leading yourself well and personally abiding with Christ. This week, T.A. and John McGee share why our defining characteristic must be that we have been with the Savior.

Finding Your Voice as a Leader

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 05 Oct 2022 15:26:31 -0500

How can you develop your own God-given communication style? It's natural to mimic the voices of the leaders who inspire you. In today’s episode, Timothy "T.A." Ateek explains how to go a step farther and develop your own communication style that utilizes the way God has uniquely wired you to lead.

Quiet Quitting?

Watermark Community Church — Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:00:00 -0500

The cultural attitude toward work has shifted—and no, that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Join John McGee and Adam Tarnow for a look at how church leaders can help next-generation leaders navigate this season and continue to strive for and inspire excellence (all without compromising their values or selling their souls).

Why Your Plan May Not Be Working

John McGee — Wed, 07 Sep 2022 08:00:00 -0500

By the end of his story, Joseph testified to the incredible way God had worked through all his trials. But had you caught Joseph at any other point in his life—say, in the pit, in slavery, or in prison—would he have known that things were going to end up that way? This week, John McGee explores how apparent failure can be a matter of temporal vantage point, as well as possible reasons your plan might not yet have come to fruition.

The 8 Habits of Highly Successful Managers

John McGee, Robert Green, and Holly Carpenter — Wed, 24 Aug 2022 08:00:00 -0500

National Director of re|engage, Robert Green, knows a thing or two about running a team. This week’s Church Leaders podcast covers his personal management best practices, how to align your team’s goals with your church’s broader vision, and why it’s worth it to be "extra.”

Productivity and Time Management Tactics

John McGee and John Cox — Thu, 04 Aug 2022 08:00:00 -0500

Every leader wants to help their team be productive—but what is productivity? How can we be good stewards of the time and energy God gives us? How does a Vespa scooter help John Cox keep things moving? All of this and more on today’s Church Leadership Podcast.

Recommendations from this podcast:
"Do More Better" by Tim Challies,
"At Your Best" by Cary Nieuwhof,
"Atomic Habits" by James Clear,
"The 7 Habits of Highly Effective People" by Stephen R. Covey,
"The Productivity Project" by Chris Bailey,
App: Coffitivity (coffee shop background noise),
App: Bento (time management),
App: Waterminder (water reminders),
Website: https://alifeofproductivity.com/

7 Ways to Fight Church Leadership Fatigue

John McGee — Wed, 27 Jul 2022 08:00:00 -0500

Ask any church leader to summarize how they have felt over the past few years, and they will more than likely say “Tired.” Weariness decreases effectiveness and leads to burnout. On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee shares why leaders are so tired and draws strategies for ministry longevity from 1 Kings 19.

How to Change Your Church Culture

John McGee and Jonathan Pokluda — Tue, 12 Jul 2022 08:00:00 -0500

Interested in how church cultures shift over time? Want to see your own culture change or improve? On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Jonathan Pokluda (Lead Pastor of Harris Creek Baptist Church) shares from first-hand experience how cultures change and what strategies leaders need to make that happen. For show notes and more, visit: https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/9338-how-to-change-your-culture

Dealing with Discouragement and Distance

Blake Holmes — Wed, 01 Jun 2022 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, enjoy this special talk by Blake Holmes (Lead Pastor of Watermark) from the 2022 Church Leadership Conference. For resources and more, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/9242-discouragement-and-distance

How You Should Measure Success

John McGee and Timothy "TA" Ateek — Wed, 18 May 2022 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast John McGee sits down with Timothy "TA" Ateek (Teaching Pastor at Watermark Community Church) to talk about how to measure success. For show notes and more, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/9203-measuring-success

The Art of Saying No

John McGee and David Penuel — Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, David Penuel and John McGee discuss the importance of saying no and why creating healthy boundaries is crucial in ministry. For show notes and more, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/9072-saying-no

Why Membership Matters

John McGee, David Penuel, Emma Dotter, and Blake Holmes — Tue, 05 Apr 2022 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee is joined in the studio by David Penuel (Creative Director), Emma Dotter (Join the Journey Coordinator), and Blake Holmes (Elder and Lead Pastor). Together, they are covering the topic of church membership and discuss why it is both biblical and useful for the local church. For show notes and more info on church membership, please visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/9038-biblical-church-membership

10 Questions to Help You Problem Solve When You Are Stuck

John McGee and Caitlin Van Wagoner — Mon, 14 Mar 2022 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee is joined in the studio by Caitlin Van Wagoner to discuss a proven method for solving problems. If you are looking for more resources, please visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8992-solving-problems

How to Stand Out by Showing You’re All In (For Emerging Leaders and Those Who Lead Them)

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Wed, 16 Feb 2022 08:00:00 -0600

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John and Adam discuss what success looks like for young leaders. Listen in to find out how to stand out by showing you are all in. For a downloadable PDF and to find more resources, please visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8894-success-for-young-leaders

Adaptive Leadership with Tod Bolsinger

John McGee — Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:00:00 -0600

On this special, 100th episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee is joined in the studio by Tod Bolsinger (professor at Fuller Theological Seminary, author of several excellent books, and experienced church leader). Together, they discuss the importance of adaptive leadership and how it can help organizations lead effectively through change. For show notes, resources, Tod's books, and more, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8843-adaptive-leadership

Things You Would Miss If You Didn’t Lead

John McGee — Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:00:00 -0600

On this mini-episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee shares an important reminder for everyone in leadership. We pray that you will be encouraged to continue faithfully serving wherever you are at. For show notes and more, visit: https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8827-privilege-of-leadership

The Power of Empathy

John McGee and Mandy Bagdanov — Wed, 15 Dec 2021 08:00:00 -0600

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee sits down with Mandy Bagdanov (Director of re|engage) to discuss empathy. Listen in for reasons why empathy is crucial for leading well. For show notes and more, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8768-empathy

How to Spot, Squash, and Prevent Silos

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:00:00 -0600

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John and Adam discuss silos: what they are, how to spot them, and what to do about them! If your teams seem to struggle to work together, then this episode is for you! For show notes and a downloadable PDF, please visit: https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8734-how-to-spot-squash-and-prevent-silos

Finding Freedom from Anxiety

John McGee and David Marvin — Wed, 10 Nov 2021 08:00:00 -0600

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee is joined in the studio by David Marvin, Young Adults Director at Watermark and leader at The Porch. Together they discuss anxiety and what leaders need to know to step into conversations on the topic. For show notes and more, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8715-freedom-from-anxiety

Training the Next Generation of Leaders

John McGee, Blake Holmes, and John Cox — Wed, 27 Oct 2021 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee is joined in the studio by Blake Holmes and John Cox to discuss the Watermark Institute and explain why training the next generation is so vital. Are you or someone you know feeling called to vocational ministry? The Watermark Institute may be your next step. Find out more at https://www.watermarkresources.com/ministries/institute

Should You Take A Sabbatical?

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Wed, 22 Sep 2021 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Adam and John sit down in the studio to discuss John's experience taking a sabbatical this summer and why intentional time off is crucial for church leadership. For snow notes and more, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8598-sabbaticals

Obscurity is not an Obstacle

John McGee — Wed, 01 Sep 2021 08:00:00 -0500

On this mini-episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee shares his reflections on why obscurity in ministry should not discourage us. For more, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8549-obscurity-is-not-an-obstacle

Team Leadership

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Wed, 11 Aug 2021 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John and Adam take a break from talking about individual leadership to discuss the importance of teams working together to accomplish something. For show notes and more, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8479-leading-teams

Rethinking the Multi-site Model

John McGee and John Cox — Wed, 28 Jul 2021 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee is joined in the studio by Watermark Campus Pastor John Cox. Together, they discuss the multi-site church model, Watermark's history with it, and what they have learned along the way. For show notes and more, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8471-multisite

Feedback: What To Do When It Goes Wrong?

John McGee and Caitlin Van Wagoner — Fri, 02 Jul 2021 08:00:00 -0500

This episode of the Church Leadership Podcast is part two on the topic of giving and receiving feedback. John McGee and Caitlin Van Wagoner discuss what to do when giving feedback goes poorly. Download the Principles For Feedback PDF Resource at https://watermarkresources.lpages.co/cpl-principles-for-feedback-resource

Feedback: How to Give It, How to Receive It, and Why It Matters

John McGee and Caitlin Van Wagoner — Wed, 30 Jun 2021 08:00:00 -0500

This special episode of the Church Leadership Podcast is part one of two on the topic of giving and receiving feedback. Enjoy this recording of Caitlin Van Wagoner and John McGee’s mainstage panel from CLC 2021 and additional discussion on why feedback is so important. For show notes and more, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8443-feedback-part1.

The Importance of Optimism

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Wed, 16 Jun 2021 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Adam and John discuss the importance and practicality of optimism in the life of the leader.

What Older Leaders Want You To Know

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Wed, 02 Jun 2021 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Adam and John are in the studio to discuss the 8 things they wish they knew when they were younger and what they younger leaders to keep in mind.

What Young Leaders Want You To Know

John McGee, JD Rodgers, Emma Dotter, and Gabrielle Odom — Wed, 19 May 2021 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee is joined in the studio by three young leaders: Emma Dotter, JD Rodgers, and Gabrielle Odom. Together, they discuss what younger leaders want older leaders in the church to know.

Letting People Go

John McGee, Todd Wagner, and Luke Friesen — Wed, 14 Apr 2021 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee is joined in the studio by Luke Friesen (Director of Operations) and Todd Wagner to discuss the difficult topic of firing. Together they discuss how to go about firing graciously, and why doing it well is important for leadership. For show notes and more visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8233-how-we-think-about-firing

A Leader's Online Presence

John McGee, Todd Wagner, and Jonathan Pokluda — Wed, 31 Mar 2021 08:00:00 -0500

How should a leader engage with social media? What is a practical way to think about your online presence? On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John is joined in the studio by Jonathan Pokluda (Lead Pastor of Harris Creek Baptist Church in Waco, TX) and Todd Wagner (Campus Pastor at Watermark). Together they discuss best practices for leading well online. For show notes and more, visit www.watermarkresouces.com/clp/8202-leaders-and-social-media

A Leader and Their Marriage (feat. Pam McGee)

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Pam McGee — Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Adam interviews John and Pam McGee about their leadership, marriage, and ministry. Listen in for practical advice about what it takes to be faithful both at home and in the church. For show notes and more, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8114-a-leaders-marriage

Gospel-Informed Leadership (ft. Paul David Tripp)

John McGee — Wed, 24 Feb 2021 08:00:00 -0600

On this special episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John is joined for the first time by an outside guest: Dr. Paul David Tripp. Together, they discuss Paul's new book Lead: 12 Gospel Principles for Leadership in the Church and what it means to truly have a gospel community. We assure you that listening will leave you both encouraged and convicted. Show notes and more at https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8042-interview-with-paul-tripp

A Leader's Prayer Life

John McGee, Nathan Wagnon, and Blake Holmes — Wed, 10 Feb 2021 08:00:00 -0600

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John is joined in the studio by returning guests Nathan Wagnon and Blake Holmes to discuss prayer. Together, they talk about some misconceptions leaders have about prayer and provide some practical steps for improving your prayer life. For show notes and more, visit www.watermarkresources.com/clp/8027-a-leaders-prayer-life

Five Temptations Leaders Are Facing

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Wed, 27 Jan 2021 08:00:00 -0600

With a global pandemic bringing new challenges, many leaders are facing a whole new set of temptations. In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Adam Tarnow and John McGee discuss 5 new temptations characteristic of those in leadership and what leaders can do to remind themselves of truth. For show notes and more, visit www.watermarkresources.org/clp/8004-new-temptations.

3 Approaches to Goal Setting

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, Caitlin Van Wagoner, and John Cox — Mon, 11 Jan 2021 08:00:00 -0600

At the start of a new year, we are all reconsidering what it looks like to set goals. In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John and Adam are joined by John Cox (Director of Staff Development and Special Projects) and Caitlin Van Wagoner (Senior Director of Communications) to discuss 3 different approaches to practical and effective goal setting. For show notes and more, visit www.watermarkresources.com/clp/7984-3-approaches-to-goal-setting

Saying Thanks

John McGee — Mon, 28 Dec 2020 08:00:00 -0600

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John McGee extends a special thank you and reminds you that even when others forget to say thanks, God does not. Even if people do not know who to thank, God does. For other episodes and more, visit www.watermarkresources.org/clp

Reinventing Yourself

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and David Penuel — Mon, 21 Dec 2020 08:00:00 -0600

One of the most important aspects of leadership is the ability to change and grow. On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, David Penuel joins Adam and John to discuss his process of reinventing himself. By taking an intentional look at his own flaws, committing to learn, and prioritizing the success of others, David had been able to achieve transformation in his life and ministry.

How We Think About Women in Leadership

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Caitlin Van Wagoner — Mon, 09 Nov 2020 08:00:00 -0600

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Caitlin Van Wagoner (Senior Director of Communications) joins Adam and John in the studio to discuss women in church leadership and why the church should be an incredible place for women to utilize their gifts. For show notes and more visit www.watermarkresources.com/clp.

Visionaries and Integrators

John McGee and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 28 Sep 2020 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Adam and John are joined in the studio by Eric Hassfurther to discuss the importance of pairing visionaries with integrators on your team. Listen in for an explanation of these two crucial roles. Show notes and more available at www.watermarkresources.com/clp

The Weight of a Leader's Words

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Mon, 31 Aug 2020 08:00:00 -0500

As a leader, your words have more weight than you think. On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John and Adam discuss the impact of a leaders words and best practices for communicating wisely. For show notes and downloadable resources visit: www.watermarkresources.com/clp

Great Questions Leaders Ask

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Tue, 11 Aug 2020 08:00:00 -0500

In moments of indecision or uncertainty, it is often a question that gets people unstuck. On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, John and Adam discuss great questions that every leader should be asking and why doing so is an incredible value to your and your team. For show notes and downloadable resources visit www.watermarkresources.com/clp.

How to Care for People in Crisis

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Blake Holmes — Mon, 20 Jul 2020 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Blake Holmes joins Adam Tarnow and John McGee to talk about how to care for people in crisis. Note, that while this episode was actually recorded pre-COVID-19, we believe it is more applicable than ever. For show notes please visit www.watermarkresources.com/clp

Getting Out of a Slump

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Mon, 15 Jun 2020 08:00:00 -0500

Have you ever been in a slump? In this episode, Adam and John sit down to talk about what leaders can do to get out of a season of discouragement, apathy, or ineffectiveness. For show notes and other podcast resources, check out www.watermarkresources.com/clp

Leading Through Uncertainty

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Mon, 01 Jun 2020 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Adam and John discuss how to lead during seasons of uncertainty. For show notes and other resources visit www.watermarkresources.com/clp

Managing Stress During COVID-19

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Mon, 18 May 2020 08:00:00 -0500

The Church Leadership Podcast is BACK! John and Adam return to the studio to discuss managing stress during COVID-19. In this unprecedented season, it is more important than ever for leaders to understand how stress is affecting them and combat it with truth. For show notes --> www.watermarkresources.com/clp/7484-managing-stress

Community Groups in COVID-19

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and David Dzina — Fri, 03 Apr 2020 08:00:00 -0500

Wondering how to best facilitate small groups and keep people connected to community amid COVID-19? David Dzina (Senior Director of Community and Connecting) joins Adam and John to discuss all things community.

Q&A with Todd Wagner

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Todd Wagner — Fri, 27 Mar 2020 08:00:00 -0500

On this episode of CLP Live, Adam, John, and Todd answer live questions about church leadership, finances, and devoting daily.

Leading Yourself Well

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:00:00 -0500

In times of crisis, leaders cannot forget to lead themselves well. On today's CLP Live, Adam and John discuss practical ways for remaining emotionally, spiritually, physically, and relationally healthy.

Responding to COVID-19

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:00:00 -0500

Wondering how to best lead the church amid COVID-19? Adam and John sit down to discuss! This episode was recorded LIVE on the new Church Leadership Podcast Liveshow, a part of Watermark TV.

When a Leader Fails

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Todd Wagner — Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:00:00 -0500

Todd Wagner joins Adam and John to discuss how the church should respond to the moral failure of staff or key leaders.

How We Think About Church Budgeting

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Brett Billman — Mon, 02 Mar 2020 08:00:00 -0600

Brett Billman (Director of Finance at Watermark Community Church) joins Adam and John in the studio to talk about church budgets and financial stewardship. And this isn't just a topic for accountants. Brett shares practical information relevant to every church leader! For show notes and a downloadable Application Guide, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/7261-church-budgets

Communicating with Clarity

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Mon, 17 Feb 2020 08:00:00 -0600

Adam and John discuss one of the most important skills a leader can develop: communicating with clarity. Clarity inspires change and motivates a team to take action. To download this episode's Application Guide and find more about the Church Leadership Podcast visit: https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/7233-communicating-with-clarity

Contrarian Leadership

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Todd Wagner — Mon, 03 Feb 2020 08:00:00 -0600

There is no playbook for leadership. Leaders face a continuously changing environment that sometimes requires decisions that might seem unusual. In this episode of the Church Leadership Podcast, Adam and John listen back on an interview with Todd Wagner at CLC 2018. He shares stories of when unconventional thinking helped him solve complex leadership problems. For more information and other resources, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/7155-contrarian-leadership

Responding to Criticism

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Todd Wagner — Mon, 20 Jan 2020 08:00:00 -0600

Simply put, if you do not learn how to handle criticism, you will not remain a leader for long. Todd Wagner, Adam, and John discuss what it looks like to respond to criticism well. For access to the show notes and a special downloadable PDF worksheet, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/7121-responding-to-criticism.

The Leadership X-Factor

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Mon, 06 Jan 2020 08:00:00 -0600

Why is it that some organizations completely transform after a change in leadership? What is it that truly makes leaders stand out and instill confidence and trust? In today's episode, Adam and John discuss the leadership "X-Factor" and put practical terminology to this somewhat intangible concept. Ultimately, while God looks at heart, people inevitably look at outward appearance.

Our Favorite Things in 2019

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Mon, 23 Dec 2019 08:00:00 -0600

As 2019 comes to a close, Adam and John talk about their favorite books, tweets, documentaries, and stories of the past year. Listen in for some excellent recommendations and helpful leadership principles. This is much more than just a list of favorites.

Leading Teenagers

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, David Penuel, and Rebe Long — Mon, 09 Dec 2019 08:00:00 -0600

David Penuel and Rebe Long (Watermark's Student Ministries) join John and Adam in the studio today to talk about leading teenagers. They provide 3 practical principles for being successful with youth ministry.

A Leader's First 90 Days

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Blake Holmes — Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:00:00 -0600

Beginning a new role is often an overwhelming process. But it doesn't have to be. Blake Holmes (Dallas Campus Pastor & Director of The Watermark Institute) joins Adam and John once again to talk about a leader's first 90 days. Whether you are starting a new job, were just promoted to a new role, or have been faithfully serving in the same place for decades, listen in to these 5 practical principles. Find the show notes and more at www.watermarkresources.com/clp.

Leadership Best Practices We Are Currently Trying

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Blake Holmes — Mon, 11 Nov 2019 08:00:00 -0600

In this episode, Blake Holmes (Dallas Campus Pastor & Director of The Watermark Institute) joins Adam and John to talk about leadership best practices. Each of them comes to the table with something new they are currently implementing. What about you? What are you currently trying? For show notes and more information, visit https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/6963-leadership-best-practices-we-are-currently-trying

The Key to Focusing on the Right Things

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Mon, 28 Oct 2019 08:00:00 -0500

On today's Church Leadership Podcast, Adam and John discuss how to stay focused on the right things. Understanding the difference between "goals" and "desires" is a crucial skill for every leader. Listen in as Adam provides us with a simple and practical framework that starts with folding a piece of paper in half. For show notes and more from the Church Leadership Podcast, visit: www.watermarkresources.com/clp/6886

How to Be All In

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Mon, 14 Oct 2019 08:00:00 -0500

John and Adam are in the studio today talking about engagement. Listen in for practical advice on communicating you are "all in" on the mission of your organization. Downloadable PDF --> https://watermarkresources.lpages.co/how-to-be-all-in Show notes --> https://www.watermarkresources.com/clp/6854-how-to-be-all-in

Church Discipline

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Todd Wagner — Mon, 30 Sep 2019 08:00:00 -0500

Todd Wagner joins Adam and John in the studio to discuss church discipline. Care and correction is absolutely core to shepherding God's people. Church leaders must be willing to step into these situations with courage and compassion. Listen in for practical insights on what church discipline should look like. Also be sure to check out the recommended resources in the show notes: watermarkresources.com/clp/6753

Five More Bad Habits of Leaders

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Mon, 16 Sep 2019 08:00:00 -0500

In this episode, Adam and John return to the topic of leadership habits. Listen in for practical ways to improve your leadership and refine your bad habits. Find the show notes at watermarkresources.com/clp/6726

Speaking With Candor

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Blake Holmes — Tue, 03 Sep 2019 08:00:00 -0500

Blake Holmes (Dallas Campus Pastor and Director of The Watermark Institute) joins Adam and John to talk about having candid conversations. People need to know the whole truth, and it is your job as a leader to communicate that to them. Listen in for best practices on what candor should look like in the life of a church leader. Show notes --> watermarkresources.com/clp/6698

The Importance of Your 20s and 30s

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Todd Wagner — Mon, 19 Aug 2019 08:00:00 -0500

Todd Wagner joins Adam and John in the studio to discuss the importance of leading well in your 20s and 30s. These are some of the most formative years in a leader's life and getting them right will be a blessing to both yourself and others. Listen in as Todd shares how to practically make the most of your 20s and 30s. Show Notes --> www.watermarkresources.com/clp/6655-the-importance-of-your20s-and30s

CLP Unscripted: Vulnerability, Culture, and Anger

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Braun Brown — Mon, 05 Aug 2019 08:00:00 -0500

Braun Brown (Director of Single Adults & Institute Discipleship) joins John and Adam in an episode of CLP Unscripted. Instead of planning the topic in advance, everyone brings a leadership principle to share. Listen in for insights into how church leaders should think about vulnerability, organizational culture, and anger. Show notes --> www.watermarkresources.com/clp/6602

5 Reasons Nobody Is Listening To You

Adam Tarnow and John McGee — Mon, 22 Jul 2019 08:00:00 -0500

Adam and John discuss some of the most common mistakes communicators make. This podcast will give you practical advice on improving your communication. Also, be sure to check out Adam's Seven Days to Better Communication at www.watermarkresources.com/7days. Show notes --> www.watermarkresources.com/clp/6560

Staying Motivated

Todd Wagner, Adam Tarnow, and John McGee — Mon, 08 Jul 2019 08:00:00 -0500

Todd Wagner joins Adam and John in the studio to talk about motivation. Together, they discuss how to stay motivated when doing the work of ministry. We pray this conversation provides practical wisdom, leadership advice, and encouragement for staying in the race. Show notes --> watermarkresources.com/clp/6509

Longevity in Ministry

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Braun Brown — Mon, 17 Jun 2019 08:00:00 -0500

Braun Brown (Director of Single Adults & Institute Discipleship) joins Adam and John in the studio to talk about longevity in ministry. Together, they discuss what it looks like to stay faithfully deployed for years to come. Show notes --> www.watermarkresources.com/clp/6460

How We Grow

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Nathan Wagnon — Mon, 03 Jun 2019 08:00:00 -0500

Nathan Wagnon (Director of Equipping & Apologetics) joins Adam and John in the studio to talk about how we grow as disciples. Together, they discuss the journey of faith and point out where people tend to get stuck. Show notes --> www.watermarkresources.com/clp/6425

What We Are Learning About Communications

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, and Caitlin Van Wagoner — Mon, 20 May 2019 08:00:00 -0500

Adam and John are joined by Caitlin Van Wagoner (Senior Director of Communications) to discuss what we are learning about communication. Together, they share practical tips for church communication in a wide variety of contexts. Show notes --> www.watermarkresources.com/clp/6407

From First Timer to Fully Deployed

Adam Tarnow, John McGee, Derek Mathews, and Kyle Kaigler — Mon, 06 May 2019 08:00:00 -0500

In this episode, Adam and John are joined by Kyle Kaigler (Plano Campus Pastor) and Derek Mathews (Men's Equipping Director) to discuss what leadership development looks like in the local church. Show notes --> www.watermarkresources.com/clp/6367

CLP Unscripted: 3 Thoughts on Leadership

Greg Crooks, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 22 Apr 2019 08:00:00 -0500

Greg Crooks, Executive Pastor, joins John and Adam in a new, special podcast. The trio doesn’t have any planned agenda for today. Instead, they each bring a leadership principle to discuss. Show notes --> www.watermarkresources.com/clp/6249

Helping Others Determine Their Next Step

Blake Holmes, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 08 Apr 2019 08:00:00 -0500

Blake Holmes, Director of Dallas Campus Ministries & The Watermark Institute, joins the podcast to discuss how to help others determine their next step. Show notes --> www.watermarkresources.com/clp/6220

Leading Through Change

John Elmore, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:00:00 -0500

Adam and John interview John Elmore, Director of Community & re:generation at Watermark Community Church, about how to lead in the midst of change.

Encouraging Others

Todd Wagner, Blake Holmes, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 11 Mar 2019 08:00:00 -0500

Adam and John interview Blake Holmes, Director of Dallas Campus Ministries, and Todd Wagner, Senior Pastor of Watermark Community Church, about how to effectively encourage others. Show Notes --> www.watermarkresources.com/clp/6096-encouraging-others

Decision Making Questions for Leaders

John McGee and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 18 Feb 2019 08:00:00 -0600

Following the previous conversation with Todd Wagner, Adam and John now discuss questions that church leaders should be asking when making decisions.

Decision Making

Todd Wagner, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 11 Feb 2019 08:00:00 -0600

Adam and John interview Todd Wagner, on the topic of decision making.

5 Marriage Trends and How They Affect Your Church

Scott Kedersha, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 22 Jan 2019 08:00:00 -0600

Scott Kedersha, Director of Marriage Ministry at Watermark, joins Adam and John to discuss five trends he’s seeing in marriages.

How We Think About Strategic Planning

Greg Crooks, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 07 Jan 2019 08:00:00 -0600

John and Adam are joined by Greg Crooks (Executive Pastor of Watermark Community Church) to talk about the role strategic planning has in the church. They talk about five best practices for effective strategic planning and then walk through Greg’s strategic planning worksheet.

Five Bad Habits of Leaders

John McGee and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 18 Dec 2018 08:00:00 -0600

John and Adam discuss five bad leadership habits and what leaders can do to overcome them. It is through addressing bad habits that leaders can begin to move from good leadership to great leadership.

Hiring the Best

Becca Nail, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 03 Dec 2018 08:00:00 -0600

John and Adam talk with Becca Nail, an HR Coordinator at Watermark Community Church. She focuses on hiring new staff members and the on-boarding process. Together, the three of them discuss what the hiring process looks like at Watermark and what to keep in mind when thinking about new staff.

Leading with a Limp

Jonathan Pokluda, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 19 Nov 2018 08:00:00 -0600

John and Adam talk with Jonathan “JP” Pokluda about leading with authenticity. Show notes --> http://churchleadersconference.com/blog/leading-with-a-limp

A Leader and Their Family

Todd Wagner, Kirby Wagner, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 05 Nov 2018 08:00:00 -0600

Todd Wagner (Watermark Senior Pastor) and two of his children, Cooper and Kirby, join Adam and John to talk about leadership in the family.

Giving and Receiving Feedback

Jonathan Pokluda, David Marvin, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 23 Oct 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Jonathan “JP” Pokluda (Dallas Campus Pastor) and David Marvin (Young Adults Director of Programs) join Adam and John to discuss the importance of feedback.

Casting Vision

Jonathan Pokluda, David Marvin, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 09 Oct 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Jonathan “JP” Pokluda (Dallas Campus Pastor) and David Marvin (Young Adults Director of Programs) talk with John and Adam about the 5 C’s of Casting Vision. As leaders of the largest young adult gathering in the country, JP and David show leaders how to practically and authentically share a heroic vision to change the world, even with a small group of people.

INTRODUCTION - WHY CASTING VISION IS IMPORTANT (00:38)

“Leaders live in the future.” — John McGee

JP shared that people don’t follow a leader. They follow a vision. Leadership is people moving a common direction behind a person. One of the best ways to communicate this is to start with the words, “Imagine if…” Leaders must paint a vision of a future that their followers want.

HEROIC VISION STARTS WITH THE WHY (1:31)

“If God is not a part of it, it will fail.” - David Marvin

“People don’t want to just show up; they want to change the world.” - John McGee

The Porch, Watermark’s young adult ministry, emphasizes heroic vision for their people. This means calling them to something bigger than the ordinary that moves them to action.

JP gave an example of picking up trash. If leaders live in the practical, they’ll just ask people to pick up five pieces of trash in the parking lot. But the heroic vision starts with the why. It would start in the beginning, explaining that God gave us this earth to steward it. More specifically, he gave us this property to take care of, but someone has littered it. Can you imagine what it would look like for us to move through this place and redeem it, make it what it should be? We’re going to restore Eden in this parking lot. This is a different, more inspiring call to action.

The heroic vision for the Porch is, “Surrendered to God, we are changing the world through young adults.” Another vision that originated out of a message from the Porch is a bold prayer, asking God to save every single young adult in Dallas and Fort Worth. People responded to it because of how big of an ask it was.

MISTAKES LEADERS MAKE (5:50)

One of the biggest mistakes leaders make is by starting with the “what” or the “how.” Although that’s necessary, JP recommended not starting there. Instead, start with the “Imagine if” statements. “Imagine if our parking lot is an example to the rest of the world?”

David also shared that this should trickle down even to every day tasks asked of volunteers. As an example, when David was early on in his ministry at the Porch, JP suggested that instead of simply asking a volunteer to change a graphic on Facebook, he should remind her of the “why.” The email could have read something like this, “Facebook is one of the most strategic opportunities that we have. With a click of a button, thousands of people can be impacted. As you steward this page, will you help us think through increasing ways that we could be more effective in our Facebook page? Here’s the new graphic for the upcoming series, but if you don’t think changing it is the most effective, then don’t do it.” This gives her ownership and reminds her of the vision. Although it takes time, it’s worth it.

5 C’S OF CASTING VISION (8:30)

Cast It Convincingly (8:43)
Cast It Constantly (9:48)
Celebrate It (12:51)
Communicate It Personally (14:22)
Call Them Heroically (20:04)
Cast It Convincingly (8:43)

Identify the problem that you are trying to address and help your followers connect the dots to what is at stake should the problem not be solved. An example of this is passing out flyers or bulletins at the front door. The Porch does not tell their volunteers that they are simply passing out flyers. They’re handing out hope that comes in a little piece of paper. They’re on mission by engaging with the people who walk into the doors. It’s important for volunteers to attach what’s at stake if they don’t play their role.

CAST IT CONSTANTLY (9:48)

People easily forget, so vision should be communicated at all times. Your goal should be that people make fun of you because you repeat it so often or they cut you off mid-sentence because they’ve heard it a thousand times.

John McGee also encouraged leaders to remember that the vision is the most clear to them. Leaders have spent more time with it than their people, so remember to repeat it often.

CELEBRATE IT (12:51)

“What’s rewarded is repeated.” - David Marvin

Vision is emphasized when it’s celebrated. An example of this is when Porch volunteers initiate conversations with people who are sitting alone. When leadership sees a volunteer doing this, they take the time to write a note or celebrate it during a volunteer meeting. It’s through their small actions that the overall vision of the ministry is lived out.

COMMUNICATE IT PERSONALLY (14:22)

A mistake leaders sometimes make is trying to speak outside of their voice. If a leader isn’t funny or challenging, but tries to be either of those things, they will come off as inauthentic and ineffective. People want authenticity and transparency. They want a vision that is put in front of them poured through the leader’s personality.

JP took a small detour in the podcast from the 5C’s to encourage leaders to not take it personally if their people ask questions that have been answered over and over again. Just say it again even more loudly.

David also shared that it takes time to find “your voice” as a leader. He struggled with finding his voice under JP’s shadow because they both speak differently. JP’s advice for finding your voice is to look at your life and see when you were most effective. When did people listen? What did you do well? Also, ask for feedback from your community group or your staff. Usually, however, most people know their strengths and weaknesses when it comes to communication.

Going back to the communicating vision personally, JP encouraged leaders to live out their vision because they will be ineffective if they don’t. The definition of leadership is found in Mark 10, when Jesus says that he came to serve, not to be served.

John shared that JP models this well when he both encourages his staff to share their faith, then explains a recent experience he had doing just that.

CALL THEM HEROICALLY (20:04)

People who have done significant things had heroic visions for their lives. Martin Luther King showed people a future reality. Steve Jobs told everyone he was going to redefine communication for everyone, everywhere, which dramatically altered how companies now release products. People’s hearts were moved by their boldness and as the church, we have the opportunity to communicate the greatest message ever given to the world.

Leaders should push people to excellence. In Matthew 16, Jesus started with just 12 inadequate guys and told them that he was pulling them into an unstoppable movement that was so strong the gates of Hades wouldn’t even come against it. And they changed the world. Heroic vision is central to communicating the gospel, preaching, leading, and all forms of communication.

If you’re struggling to know how to apply this to your church context because it’s too small or you’re fearful to “get too heroic”, remember principle #4. Are you believing the lie that what you do doesn’t matter? That it’s too hard? If God wanted to do everything He could through your small group of people, what would it look like? Let that dream and narrative build.

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Productivity and Getting Stuff Done

Greg Crooks, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 24 Sep 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Greg Crooks (Executive Pastor of Watermark Community Church) joins Adam and John to discuss six principles to help church leaders be more productive.

Mobilizing the Church

Jeff Ward, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 04 Sep 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Every church leader desires to see their members living a life on mission, both inside and outside the church. In this episode, Jeff Ward (Director of External Focus) joins John & Adam to discuss some of the ways he and his team work hard to mobilize the church.

Leading Through Crisis

John McGee and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 21 Aug 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Leadership is rarely more difficult than when facing a crisis. In this episode, John McGee reflects on a recent crisis that impacted his family and what he learned about leadership in the midst of navigating some very difficult circumstances.

What We Are Learning About Community

John Elmore, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 06 Aug 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Community Groups are a big deal here at Watermark and a ministry we take very seriously. In this episode, John Elmore (Director of Community and Director of re:generation) jumps into the podcast studio to share what we've been learning about how to lead a healthy Community Group ministry.

Dealing with Team Conflict

Todd Wagner, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 24 Jul 2018 08:00:00 -0500

If your church staff or volunteer team is made up of more than one person, then you've experienced conflict. In this episode, Todd Wagner discusses practical ways to deal with conflict and how to best embrace the opportunity conflict provides.

Can You Lead Yourself?

John McGee and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 10 Jul 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Is self-leadership even possible? Adam & John jump into the podcast studio to discuss this popular leadership topic and try to clear up some common misconceptions.

Celebrity Pastors

Todd Wagner, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Thu, 21 Jun 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Todd Wagner once again jumps into the podcast studio with John & Adam. The topic of discussion this time is the idea of "celebrity pastors" and why many pastors fall, regardless of whether or not they are a "celebrity pastor."

Building Teams

Kyle Kaigler, Adam Tarnow, and John McGee — Wed, 06 Jun 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Kyle Kaigler, the campus pastor in Plano, joins Adam and John to discuss seven principles of building teams. This podcast will challenge you to build teams, give ministry away and be intentional about developing others.

Why is this topic so important (4:00)

1) It makes disciples.
2) Builds ownership for people.
3) You get more work done.
4) You have more fun.

Seven Principles of Team Building

1) Be courageous (5:10)

One of the things Watermark is known for is the courage of our senior leaders. When you build teams with lay leaders, it build courage. We sometimes fire volunteers and that takes courage, but it sets the bar for what we expect.

2) Bring energy (6:24) Regardless of whether or not you are in introvert or extrovert, you need to be excited about what you are leading. That comes from your walk with Christ. As you recruit teams, look for those who are excited.

3) Have fun (8:32) "Life’s too short to not do ministry with people you love." – Kyle Kaigler 'Be creative with your team to have fun.

4) Know yourself (9:56) Pay attention to your own heart. To build teams you need to know your strengths and weaknesses and build teams around those. Have your identity in Christ, know your gifts and give things away. Get to the point where you have more fun watching lay leaders lead.

5) Play chess, not checkers (11:33) Know your people. In checkers all pieces do the same thing. In chess every piece does something different. People are different and you need to know them and deploy them well. Pray for it, wait for it. Wait for God to bring along the right people.

6) You set the bar (13:35) As you are building lay leaders, you have to tell them your expectations. You need to delegate responsibility and authority. When Jesus sent out the 70, he delegated authority and responsibility. This gives people ownership. What people own usually grows.

7) Provide candid feedback (14:35) You need a culture of handling conflict well. We want to build a culture where people freely, yet lovingly, share candid feedback. People will only get better if they get quality feedback. Expect what you inspect.

8) Why don’t more church leaders do this? We feel like we need to be the man or the woman, because we are insecure. Study Exodus 18:17-26 – this passage is so full of team building principles. Questions or comments? Email clp@watermark.org.

Application Questions

1) Do you struggle to give ministry away? If so, why do you think that is?
2) Which of the seven principles do you feel like you are doing well? Where could you grow?
3) What volunteer or staff member needs you to give them feedback?
4) What are some practical ways you can help your team have more fun?

Recruiting Volunteers

Benson Hines, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 22 May 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Benson Hines, Director of External Mobilization, joins Adam and John to discuss recruiting volunteers. This podcast will challenge you to not simply fill needs within or outside the church. Instead, view opportunities to serve as a path towards discipleship.

Mistakes Young Leaders Make

Blake Holmes, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 08 May 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Blake Holmes shares five common mistakes young leaders make.

Dealing with Discouragement

Jonathan Pokluda, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Fri, 20 Apr 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Jonathan Pokluda discusses how to lead through seasons of discouragement.

BONUS: Get Ready for CLC 2018

John McGee and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 16 Apr 2018 08:00:00 -0500

BONUS EPISODE: John & Adam provide some quick tips for those of you joining us at the 2018 Church Leaders Conference (April 24-26, 2018 here in Dallas).

A Conversation with Watermark's Elders - Part 2

Todd Wagner, Dean Macfarlan, Beau Fournet, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 03 Apr 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Part 2 of 2 - Three of Watermark's elders join John & Adam to discuss the installment process for new elders and other questions they're asked on a regular basis.

A Conversation with Watermark's Elders - Part 1

Todd Wagner, Dean Macfarlan, Beau Fournet, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Wed, 21 Mar 2018 08:00:00 -0500

Part 1 of 2 - Three of Watermark's elders join John & Adam to discuss our church's elder model, how they view their role, and how they function week-to-week.

Faithfully Playing Your Role

Tyler Briggs, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Wed, 07 Mar 2018 08:00:00 -0600

Tyler Briggs, the Watermark Fort Worth campus pastor, discusses how to faithfully play whatever role God has for you.

The Value of Trust

Scott Kedersha, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Thu, 22 Feb 2018 08:00:00 -0600

Scott Kedersha jumps in with John McGee & Adam Tarnow to discuss trust and why it is so important to the health of your church staff.

How to Build Culture

John McGee and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 06 Feb 2018 08:00:00 -0600

John McGee & Adam Tarnow discuss how to build, protect and change your staff culture.

How to Improve Your Meetings

Jeff Ward, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 15 Jan 2018 08:00:00 -0600

Jeff Ward (Watermark's Director of External Focus), John, and Adam sit down to discuss how you can improve your meetings.

Leading Yourself Spiritually

Kyle Kaigler, Rob Barry, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Wed, 03 Jan 2018 08:00:00 -0600

Kyle Kaigler and Rob Barry discuss practical ways to lead yourself spiritually.

Navigating Staff Transitions

Todd Wagner, John Cox, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Wed, 08 Nov 2017 08:00:00 -0600

John Cox and Todd Wagner discuss three principles designed to help you and your church navigate staff transitions.

Leading Up

David Marvin, Jonathan Pokluda, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Wed, 25 Oct 2017 08:00:00 -0500

In this episode, David Marvin and Jonathan "J.P." Pokluda discuss five ways you can proactively engage with your boss.

Ideas To Help You Lead Your Staff - Part 4

Todd Wagner, Jonathan Pokluda, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 01 Aug 2017 08:00:00 -0500

Todd Wagner and Jonathan ("JP") Pokluda wrap up their discussion of practical ideas to help you in leading your staff or your team. This is the final part in a series of podcasts on this topic.

Ideas to Help You Lead Your Staff - Part 3

Todd Wagner, Jonathan Pokluda, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 17 Jul 2017 08:00:00 -0500

Todd Wagner and Jonathan ("JP") Pokluda discuss practical ideas to help you in leading your staff or your team. This is part three in a series of podcasts on this topic.

Ideas to Help You Lead Your Staff - Part 2

Todd Wagner, Jonathan Pokluda, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Tue, 13 Jun 2017 08:00:00 -0500

Todd Wagner and Jonathan ("JP") Pokluda discuss practical ideas to help you in leading your staff or your team. This is part two in a series of podcasts on this topic.

Ideas to Help You Lead Your Staff - Part 1

Todd Wagner, Jonathan Pokluda, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Wed, 31 May 2017 08:00:00 -0500

Todd Wagner and Jonathan ("JP") Pokluda discuss practical ideas to help you in leading your staff or your team. This is part one in a series of podcasts on this topic.

Ministering to Millennials

Jonathan Pokluda, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 15 May 2017 08:00:00 -0500

Jonathan ("JP") Pokluda shares ten best practices to keep in mind when ministering to millennials. JP is the Watermark Dallas campus pastor and also leads The Porch (Watermark's Young Adult Ministry).

A Leader's Inner Circle

Todd Wagner, John McGee, and Adam Tarnow — Mon, 01 May 2017 08:00:00 -0500

In this first episode of Watermark's Church Leadership Podcast, Sr. Pastor Todd Wagner discusses the important role friends play in a leader's life. Leadership is only as lonely as a leader wants it to be.