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What happens when neighborhoods wake up to chainsaws and clear-cut lots, with no clear answers about whether it’s legal? In this episode of ChangeHampton Presents, Francesca Rheannon speaks with Southampton Town Board members   Michael Iasilli and Thomas Neely about a proposed Land Disturbance Ordinance designed to protect trees, wildlife habitat, water quality, and community character by closing long-standing loopholes in town code.

The proposed law would establish a permitting process for land clearing and excavation on properties of 20,000 square feet or larger, with a 2,000 square foot disturbance threshold before review is triggered. The goal is not to stop reasonable development, but to prevent unnecessary overclearing before it happens, rather than trying to repair environmental damage later through imperfect revegetation.

The conversation explores why tree cover and healthy soils matter for aquifer protection, flood prevention, biodiversity, and carbon sequestration, and how unchecked clearing contributes to habitat loss and overdevelopment. Iasilli and Neely also discuss the extensive public process that shaped the proposal, including revisions made in response to community feedback, and why they believe this ordinance could become a model for other East End towns.

Why This Matters Now

As development pressure intensifies across the East End, the question is whether communities can preserve ecological resilience before it is too late. This ordinance shifts the focus from mitigation after damage is done to prevention at the start, a potentially significant change in how local environmental protection works.

Key Topics

• Southampton’s proposed Land Disturbance Ordinance
• Overclearing and overdevelopment on the East End
• Protecting aquifer recharge and water quality
• Trees, carbon sequestration, and flood prevention
• Wildlife habitat and pollinator protection
• Revegetation versus preservation
• Community input and environmental governance
• Balancing property rights and ecological stewardship

Quotes from Neely & Iacilli:

“If we protect the aquifer as we’re doing, but ignore the land in between the aquifer and the water bodies, we risk polluting the very water that we’re trying to save as it moves through the ecosystem.”  

“What we’re trying to do is get ahead of it at the beginning of the building process.”  

“You don’t really get what was there for 50 years or 100 years that’s been torn away.”  

“We need the pollinators. We need the insects. We need the animals to have places to live.”  

“This creates that notification system… and allows the environmental division to take a look before you go ahead and just clear everything out.”  

From Southampton Town:
The proposed Land Disturbance Ordinance is designed to curb overdevelopment by creating a Land Disturbance permitting process that gives the Town’s Land Management department the ability to limit overclearing before it happens.

Under the proposal, on properties of 20,000 square feet or larger, up to 2,000 square feet could be cleared or disturbed without additional review. Any clearing or disturbance beyond that 2,000 square foot threshold would require approval through Land Management.

This review process would allow the Town’s environmental division to assess plans before construction begins, helping prevent excessive clear-cutting and other environmental damage before alterations are made.

The ordinance also seeks to close loopholes in the Town Code, where current restrictions apply only within the Town’s APOD (Aquifer Protection Overlay District) areas, which cover less than half of the Town.

The next Town Board hearing on this legislation will be April 28 at 6 PM at Southampton Town Hall. 

More on the legislation here: https://www.southamptontownny.gov/2373/Draft-Legislation

From the “windshield effect” to the loss of habitat and widespread pesticide use, Shepherd explains what’s driving the disappearance of pollinators and other invertebrates. He also addresses common concerns about ticks and offers practical, science-based strategies for managing landscapes in ways that protect both human health and biodiversity.

Most importantly, this conversation is grounded in hope: even small changes—planting native flowers, reducing lawn chemicals, or creating habitat—can help restore the ecosystems that insects, birds, and humans depend on.

Key Topics

            •           The importance of insects in ecosystems and food webs

            •           Causes of insect decline: habitat loss, pesticides, landscape management

            •           The “windshield effect” and shifting baselines

            •           Pollinators and their role in food production

            •           Ticks and how to manage landscapes safely without widespread pesticide use

            •           Lawns vs. biodiverse habitats

            •           Native plants and their relationship to native insects

            •           The role of insects in supporting bird populations

            •           Keystone species vs. biodiversity

            •           Practical steps individuals and communities can take

In this episode of Changehampton Presents, we sit down with two men who didn’t just witness East Hampton’s environmental battles—they helped shape them.

Rick Whelan and Barry Raebeck trace the arc of East Hampton’s modern preservation movement, from the explosive growth pressures of the 1970s and ’80s to the grassroots organizing that stopped unchecked development and permanently changed land-use policy on the South Fork. Their conversation explores the abolition of the town’s Planning Department, the fight to preserve places like Hither Woods and Northwest Woods, and the innovative policies—upzoning, setbacks, and farmland preservation—that saved thousands of acres.

Before the formal start of the interview, Rick also discusses his forthcoming history of East Hampton, a sweeping project that documents the town’s hamlets, parks, preserves, and environmental struggles through archival research and interviews reaching back into the 19th century.

This is a rare, first-person account of how ordinary residents, faced with extraordinary pressure, organized to protect land, water, and community—and why those lessons matter more than ever today.

🌱 Main Topics Covered

• The environmental and political turning points of East Hampton in the 1970s–1980s
• The abolition of the East Hampton Planning Department and its consequences
• Grassroots organizing to preserve Hither Woods, Northwest Woods, and farmland
• The rise and decline of local baymen and inshore fisheries
• Brown tide and the collapse of the scallop industry
• Upzoning, setbacks, farmland preservation, and development rights
• Citizen activism across political lines
• How preservation laws reshaped East Hampton’s landscape
• Why local environmental history matters now

Quotes:
On the Abolition of the Planning Department

“East Hampton crossed the Rubicon when the town board abolished the planning department in early 1982.”

“They literally crossed the Rubicon at that point in time, and East Hampton has never really been the same.”

On Development Pressure

“At one point, every inch of space out here was for sale — and there were people that were quite happy to develop every inch of space. That includes the beaches.”

“If we didn’t do something, it was going to be gone. There would literally be high-rise hotels on the beaches in Amagansett.”

On the Rise of the Preservation Movement

“When the planning department was abolished, there was a reaction that was across the political spectrum.”

“People realized that if we didn’t act, this place would not look the way it does today.”

On Fisheries and Environmental Decline

“The real downturn began when I went away to law school… a brown tide came in and ruined the scallop industry.”

“When scallop season opened in Northwest Harbor, there were dozens of trucks lined up… people knew they could make a lot of money.”

On Innovation in Preservation Policy

“Upzoning became a great means of preservation.”

“You could sell the development rights but still farm the land — as long as it stayed in agricultural use.”

On Love of Place

“I basically fell in love with the place.”

What began as a personal effort to “transform this yard into a functioning ecosystem” evolved into a powerful local test case about how suburban communities define beauty, order, and environmental responsibility. Amy describes how her garden now absorbs floodwater, supports dozens of species of birds and pollinators, and requires no pesticides, herbicides, or fertilizers — yet was labeled “unsightly” by her village.

Amy shares how her graduate work through Miami University’s Project Dragonfly deepened her commitment to community-based conservation, and how even small suburban lots can serve as vital ecological connectors in fragmented landscapes. She explains why native plants matter more than popular non-native “pollinator plants,” how her family’s yard is registered with Doug Tallamy’s Homegrown National Park, and what she has learned about building neighbor support through education and “cues to care.”

The conversation also highlights the deeply human side of re-wilding: Amy’s young son helping to research species, neighbors stopping by to learn about bees, and the garden becoming a living outdoor classroom. Ultimately, this episode asks a larger question: How might re-imagining our lawns help re-imagine our communities in an era of climate disruption and biodiversity loss?

Together, they explore how buyer expectations, long-standing lawn aesthetics, and misconceptions about deer, ticks, and “tidy” landscaping shape what gets planted—and what gets cleared. They also discuss how realtors, by virtue of their trusted relationships with buyers, can play a pivotal role in reframing what a beautiful, valuable, and healthy landscape looks like in the Hamptons.

From addressing fears about Lyme disease to challenging the dominance of chemical-dependent lawns, from advocating for preserving mature trees to envisioning a new luxury aesthetic based on biodiversity and resilience, this conversation illuminates how real estate can help catalyze landscape change—one property at a time.

Segment Summary: What You’ll Hear

1. Buyer Attitudes, Fears & Misconceptions

Eileen and Michael describe the landscape anxieties that dominate buyer conversations—fear of deer, ticks, Lyme disease, and “messy” vegetation—and how these fears lead to excessive clearing and unexamined reliance on pesticides.

2. The Power of Aesthetics—and How to Change Them

They discuss the entrenched Hamptons “look”: clipped hedges, large lawns, sterile green carpets. They explain how offering positive visual models, like ChangeHampton’s Town Hall pollinator gardens, is far more effective than admonishment or pamphlets.

3. Environmental & Health Impacts of Conventional Landscaping

Michael outlines how fertilizers and pesticides pollute the aquifer and potentially harm humans, pets, and children. He emphasizes that the problem isn’t “lawns,” but the chemicals required to maintain them.

4. The Value Proposition of Sustainable Landscaping

Can biodiversity increase property values? Eileen argues yes—when gardens are designed beautifully and communicated in terms buyers understand: “rich, natural, non-toxic, and thriving.”

5. Tree Clearing, Regulations & Builder Practices

Both guests underline the ecological devastation caused by mass tree removal. They discuss current clearing rules, enforcement gaps, and the need for policies that protect mature trees.

6. What Real Estate Agents Need

Resources such as knowledgeable ecological landscapers, demonstration gardens, and collaborative education—rather than one-off pamphlets—would help realtors confidently advise clients about sustainable options.

7. Moving the Needle Across the Industry

They call for broader conversations within the brokerage community, more education, and more visibility for successful pollinator-garden landscapes—from modest homes to Lily Pond estates.

Key Verbatim Quotes

On Buyer Fears & Misconceptions

· “People are wildly afraid of deer and deer ticks and Lyme disease… there’s a complete misunderstanding as to vegetation and deer and Lyme disease.”

· “Many buyers have never thought about their property maintenance. They see the green carpet lawn from suburbia and think that’s the standard.”

On Reframing the Aesthetic

· “If you give people something to look at—like the beautiful gardens at Town Hall—they get on board.”

· “A natural landscape is richer. Perennials return, they multiply… it becomes a legacy.”

On Environmental Harm

· “Pesticides and fertilizers contaminate the aquifer—the very water you drink.”

· “These chemicals are harmful not just to water, but to your dogs and your children.”

On Value & Beauty

· “A biodiverse landscape can absolutely increase value when people understand it’s beautiful and non-toxic.”

· “There’s a way to make pollinator gardens and indigenous grasses look elegant—but most people don’t know what they’re looking at yet.”

On the Need for Better Regulations

· “It’s shocking that you can take trees down so indiscriminately here. In many states you need a permit for mature trees.”

· “Builders overclear because it’s easy—then they just revegetate. But you’ve destroyed natural nitrogen filters that clean the water.”

On Educating the Industry

· “We need to open this conversation with the real estate community. Buyers say ‘100% cleared,’ and no one thinks about what that means.”

· “If there were examples—big homes with beautiful pollinator gardens—people would jump on. They love to follow a trend.”

McKibben underscores the stakes of climate change, praising the Inflation Reduction Act as a long-awaited but partial step forward. He imagines how different the world might have been had Jimmy Carter’s renewable energy vision prevailed. He also describes his work organizing seniors through **Third Act**, mobilizing their political and financial influence to protect democracy and the climate.

Although this is a repurposing of a 2022 interview with McKibben by host Francesca Rheannon, it is timely for an upcoming talk by McKibben in East Hampton.  He is on a speaking tour promoting his new book:  Here Comes the Sun:  A Last Chance for the Climate and a Fresh Chance for Civilization.  In the book McKibben reveals what is shocking news to many -- in the past two years solar energy has become the popular choice of energy around the world.

Quotes from the interview:

* *“The average American has about half as many close friends today as the average American in the 1950s.”*

* *“We ended the work of trying to build a better society… and took up the work of just looking out for ourselves.”*

* *“Every time we double the amount of solar energy that we install, the price goes down another 30%.”*

* *“If we had re-elected Jimmy Carter, the world would be in a very different spot—China’s boom might have been powered by sun and wind, not coal.”*

* *“Our generation won these fights once—civil rights, women’s rights, clean air, voting rights—we can do it again.”*

* *“Both the flag and the Bible are radical documents, if you look closely.”*

This episode of Change Hampton Presents: Save the Planet One Yard at a Time features high school students Shirley Jiang and Griffin Beckmann, interns and youth organizers with Rewild Long Island’s Summer Intern Program. They share their hands-on experiences in ecological restoration projects across East Hampton, including planting native species, removing invasives, composting, and maintaining community pollinator gardens. Both reflect on their motivation to fight climate change, the skills and community they’ve gained, and the hope they find in seeing peers and neighbors join the movement. They also discuss the challenges of balancing commitments, transportation, and time while remaining committed to environmental stewardship. The conversation closes with inspiring personal stories about food security work at Share the Harvest Farm and building the Change Hampton Community Pollinator Garden.

Quotes:  

• “I really felt so motivated to do anything I could to help our environment… and seeing all the excellent work that Rewild has done… I was really inspired to take on a greater role in mitigating climate change in my community.” — Griffin
• “Just knowing that taking my part in the program can make a bigger change in the community has been a really rewarding experience.” — Shirley
• “Every time we pull a mugwort out, it’s really rewarding and satisfying… at the end when you see the mountain of mugwort, it’s like, oh my gosh, we did that.” — Shirley
• “Rewild is really special in that you really do learn how to be a professional… seeing the end goal is really special because you’re seeing the impact you’re having firsthand.” — Griffin
• “Even though what we do now might be on a small scale… maybe we can make more change. Seeing the younger generation being more involved can bring awareness to the older generation.” — Shirley
• “In the past, people passionate about helping the environment were called tree huggers… but you really never hear that anymore. Our generation is switching towards a more active and positive role.” — Griffin
• “Even though the times are changing, I feel like we’re going to be the change that we want to see in the future.” — Shirley

Segments / Themes

1. Introductions & Motivation
    
   • Griffin and Shirley explain how they joined Rewild and why environmental work matters to them.
2.  
3. Hands-On Work
    
   • Invasive removal (mugwort)
4.  
   • Bioswales for flood mitigation
5.  
   • Composting and food waste reduction
6.  
7. Connection to Climate Change
    
   • Reducing lawns, chemicals, and fertilizers
8.  
   • Promoting biodiversity and pollinator habitats
9.  
   • Compost as a methane reduction strategy
10.  
11. Role of Youth Organizers
     
    • Behind-the-scenes logistics: spreadsheets, applications, events, communications
12.  
    • Mentoring and leadership
13.  
14. Challenges
     
    • Transportation/time conflicts
15.  
    • Balancing school, work, and activism
16.  
17. Community & Peer Influence
     
    • Recruiting friends and siblings
18.  
    • Shifting generational attitudes about climate activism
19.  
20. Hope for the Future
     
    • Small-scale community impact as a foundation
21.  
    • Belief in Gen Z’s ability to lead future climate solutions
22.  

In this episode of ChangeHampton Presents, host Francesca Rheannon explores the "new land ethic" with Filipina Dahan, founder of HealthyYards.org, and Midge Iorio, Program Director of Bedford 2030. The discussion centers on transforming suburban landscapes to be more environmentally friendly, focusing on biodiversity, reducing emissions, and promoting sustainable practices. The guests share insights on community engagement, legislative efforts, and shifting perceptions around landscaping.

**Segment Summaries:**

*   **(0:00-0:02:31) Introduction to HealthyYards.org:** Filipina Dahan discusses her journey from landscaping to advocating for sustainable yards, highlighting the lack of life in typical American yards and the need to change conventional practices.

*   **(0:02:31-0:03:31) The Problem with Gasoline Leaf Blowers:** Filipina expresses her strong feelings against gasoline leaf blowers, emphasizing their environmental impact and the availability of alternatives. "I'm not even irritated by the noise so much, it's just what it stands for it stands for robbing the soil from its nutrients, it stands for creating emissions, these machines are very old and unregulated that means that there are really really dirty engines and we don't need them, we have alternatives."

*   **(0:03:31-0:07:22) Bedford 2030's Climate Action:** Midge Iorio shares her personal journey into climate activism and provides the foundation for Bedford 2030, emphasizing the importance of community partnership and action.

*   **(0:07:22-0:08:38) Local Action on Climate Change:** The conversation emphasizes the importance of local initiatives in moving climate action forward, particularly in the face of federal setbacks.

*   **(0:08:38-0:10:29) Healthy Yards' Focus Areas:** Filipina details the various environmental concerns addressed by Healthy Yards, including emissions, biodiversity, water usage, and invasive species.

*   **(0:10:29-0:12:31) Redefining Landscaping:** The discussion explores what it means to create restorative landscaping, contrasting American lawn care practices with the vocational landscaping profession in Europe.

*   **(0:12:31-0:14:04) Shifting Business Models:** Filipina acknowledges the challenges of changing business models based on harmful practices, emphasizing the need for education and new incentives.

*   **(0:14:04-0:15:30) Meeting People Where They Are:** Midge discusses the importance of connecting with people on shared interests and relevant issues, such as health and cost savings, when promoting sustainable practices.

*   **(0:15:30-0:16:18) Working with Municipal Government:** Filipina shares how a sensible policy helped them get a lot of things done with their town board.

*   **(0:16:18-0:17:24) Legislation:** They discuss gas powered leaf blowers and how it affected the town, which lead to a partial ban on gasoline leaf blowers.

*   **(0:17:24-0:18:47) The Importance of Leaves: The Love the Leaves campaign is discussed, which turns out to actually be called Leave Leaves Alone.

*   **(0:18:48-0:20:23) Mulching the leaves: Learn the importance of mulching the leaves, chopping them up in little pieces so they can feed the soil and they can protect the little grass roots from drying out.

*   **(0:20:24-0:22:58) Municipal Government Collaboration:** Midge shares Bedford 2030's collaborative relationship with their local government.

*   **(0:22:58-0:24:24) Communicating and Listening:** Communicating and listening is a key and super productive aspect,

*   **(0:24:25-0:25:08) Motivational Factors:** Concentrate on motivation, not on the things that people are doing wrong, but the things that we can do right.

*   **(0:25:08-0:26:15) Advice:** Advice to those who may want to create a 2030 initiative in their own town.

*   **(0:26:15-0:27:04) Follow up advice:** Set some kind of goals and come together and work towards a shared goal, I think, is really a good motivator.

*   **(0:27:04-0:29:25) Envisioning the Future:** An eye opening conversation on how urban and suburban landscapes would look in 20 years if every municipality adopted this approach.

*   **(0:29:25-0:30:34) Well-being:** Well being has another face, it doesn't look like a mansion with a lawn in the front.

*   **(0:30:34-0:31:33) Changing the aesthetic:** An effort to change the aesthetic of really reaching everybody.

In this special episode of Changehampton Presents, we take you on an immersive audio tour of the ReWild Woodland Garden for Uncommon Pollinators at LongHouse Reserve in East Hampton, NY.

Originally produced by our friends at ReWild Long Island—who generously granted us permission to share it—this episode explores how native plantings can restore biodiversity, even in shady, often-overlooked corners of the landscape. Host Francesca Rheannon is joined by ReWild South Fork co-leads Lurie Petroske and Chris Liem, as well as native plant advocates Nancy Erber and Len Green (a member of both Changehampton and ReWild), to discover how this garden supports moths, ants, bats, and other unusual pollinators.

Whether you’re a native plant novice or seasoned habitat gardener, you’ll find inspiration—and practical wisdom—in this walk through a lush, living classroom.

👥 Guests:

·       Betsy McCully – Environmental writer, activist, and author of At the Glacier’s Edge: A Natural History of Long Island.

·       Bruce Horwith – Ecologist and conservation biologist with experience in native grassland restoration on Long Island.

🌿 Topics Covered:

·       The origins of Long Island’s grasslands and their pre-colonial history

·       The role of Native American land management and controlled burns

·       What defines a grassland: native grasses, forbs, woody species

·       Fire as a critical tool for maintaining biodiversity

·       How grasslands sequester carbon—sometimes better than forests

·       Biodiversity loss: insect and bird population collapse

·       Restoration projects like Montauk grasslands and Town Hall meadow

·       Climate change, water conservation, and ecosystem resilience

·       DIY tips for starting a backyard grassland or pollinator patch

·       The link between ecological restoration and community healing

Notable Quotes:

“Grasslands are like upside-down forests. Most of their biomass—and their carbon—is stored underground.” — Betsy McCulley

“If we stop fertilizing, mowing, and watering, native grasses begin to return. The first thing to do is: nothing.” — Bruce Horwith

“Lawns are monocultures that use more water and chemicals than most people realize. Grasslands filter water and protect our aquifer.” — Francesca Rheannon

“We are the environment. The environment is us. Restoration is not just ecological—it’s emotional and social.” — Betsy McCulley

“Native grasslands aren’t gone—they’re just waiting to come back if we give them the chance.” — Bruce Horwith

🔗 Resources Mentioned:

·       📘 At the Glacier’s Edge by Betsy McCulley – Search at writersvoice.net

·       🌱 Changehampton Grassland Project – changehampton.org

·       🔥 Fire ecology and prescribed burns in restoration work

·       🐦 National Audubon Society 2019 Report: “Birds are vanishing from North America”

💡 Practical Takeaways:

·       🌾 Grasslands sequester carbon underground and require no fertilizer or irrigation.

·       🐝 Native bunch grasses and wildflowers support dozens of pollinator species.

·       🚫 Stop using synthetic fertilizers and pesticides—let nature rebalance itself.

·       🌻 Don’t mow everything. Let parts of your yard go “wild” and observe what grows.

·       🔥 Fire (or mimicking its effects) is essential for many native plants to regenerate.

·       🧑‍🌾 Restoration starts small: even a sunny patch can support a mini grassland.

📌 Call to Action:

Want to help restore grasslands? Visit changehampton.org to learn how you can create a native patch in your yard or join local restoration efforts like the Town Hall Meadow Project. Small steps build big resilience.

👥 Guests:

• Edwina von Gal – Founder of Perfect Earth Project; internationally known landscape designer and ecological advocate.
• Tim Wheeler – Ecologist and educator with Perfect Earth’s Living Lands program, providing direct homeowner support.

🌱 Topics Covered:

• The origin story of Perfect Earth and its mission to promote chemical-free, nature-based land care.
• The Global Ground Rules: “Minimize Harm, Maximize Habitat.”
• What it means to “close the loop” in your yard.
• Challenges of transforming traditional landscaping culture—and why fear drives resistance.
• Why spraying for ticks is not the answer (and what to do instead).
• The rise of the Living Lands homeowner site visit program.
• The need for a new workforce: land carers, not landscapers.
• Launching Earth School and the Amber Waves “seed pod” kiosk.
• Water-wise gardening and why drip irrigation may not be ideal.
• DIY tips for eco-conscious yard design on a budget.
• Rewilding as a spiritual, cultural, and ecological act.

 Notable Quotes:

🔗 Resources Mentioned:

• 🌍 Perfect Earth Project
• 🌱 @perfectearthproject on Instagram
• 🌾 Living Lands Free Site Visit Program (for South Fork homeowners)
• 🛍️ Native Plant Sale with Glover Perennials
• 📚 Paul Hawken’s “carbon flow” concept
• 🌸 Amber Waves Seed Pod Info Kiosk (Fridays in Amagansett)

💡 Practical Takeaways:

• ❌ Stop buying mulch — use your own leaves and branches to feed your soil.
• 🪴 Choose native plants grown without neonics or pesticides.
• 🐛 Don’t spray for ticks — protect yourself, not your landscape.
• 💧 Water seldom, but deeply. Avoid automated sprinklers and reconsider drip systems.
• 🌿 Make a habitat pile with fallen branches — perfect for birds, rabbits, and soil health.
• ✂️ Mow less and let some areas grow wild. Keep wide paths to reduce tick exposure.
• 📲 Get an app-based irrigation system to manage watering manually and more wisely.

📌 Call to Action:

Ready to start reimagining your yard? Sign up for a free one-hour Living Lands site visit or stop by the Amber Waves kiosk in Amagansett every Friday afternoon to speak directly with a Perfect Earth educator.

**Hosted by:** Francesca Rheannon 
 **Guests:** Leonard Green (Co-founder, Changehampton; Board Member, ReWild Long Island), Paul McIsaac (Actor, Director, Journalist)
 
 ### 🗣️ Episode Highlights
 
 - **The ecological importance of native plants**
   - Why "native" means more than just local—it means symbiotic, essential, and time-tested.
   - Native plants create healthy soil, purify groundwater, and support pollinators and wildlife.
 
 - **The role of keystone species**
   - Oaks support over 485 insect species and are fundamental to local ecosystems.
   - Other keystone plants include wild black cherry, river birch, and blueberries.
 
 - **Personal yard transformations**
   - Leonard and Paul share how their suburban lawns became pollinator-friendly habitats.
   - Tips for low-cost rewilding: from cardboard lawn removal to planting clover and native shrubs.
 
 - **Launching the 1,000 Healthy Yards Campaign**
   - A community-driven movement inspired by Bellport’s Healthy Yards model.
   - Aims to celebrate and document properties using sustainable, toxin-free landscaping.
 
 - **Overcoming cultural resistance**
   - The “chem-lawn” aesthetic is deeply embedded in suburban norms.
   - Shift begins with education, visible yard signs, and accessible local projects.
 
 - **Natural tick management**
   - Len and Paul share practical methods to avoid spraying harmful pesticides while staying safe.
 
 - **Landscaping as a social justice metaphor**
   - Biodiversity in nature parallels diversity in human communities—both are essential to resilience and beauty.
 
 Notable Quotes: 
### 💬 Notable Quotes
 
 > "We’ve essentially replaced very complex systems with very simplified systems—and the odd thing is, we have to keep these simplified systems on life support." – **Leonard Green**
 
 > "When people ask me what I do, I say, 'I’m a gardener—and I do other stuff.'" – **Paul McIsaac**
 
 > "If we just gave back a little of that 40 million acres of turf lawn in the U.S., we could give something back to nature." – **Leonard Green**
 
 > "The world we’re leaving for our children doesn’t look very attractive. I wouldn’t want to leave it to any children if I had any." – **Leonard Green**
 
 > "Diversity in ecology and society alike is not just about justice—it’s about strength, beauty, and resilience." – **Paul McIsaac**
 
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 ### 🔗 Resources & Mentions
 
 - **Changehampton**: [https://www.changehampton.org](https://www.changehampton.org) 
- **ReWild Long Island**: [https://www.rewildlongisland.org](https://www.rewildlongisland.org) 
- **Paul McIsaac’s Video**: *Grass, Kick the Habit* (available via Changehampton’s site)
- **Nature Notes by Larry Penny** (East Hampton Star columnist)

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### 🐝 Join the Movement

Learn how to transform your yard—and your community—by joining the **1,000 Healthy Yards Campaign**. Visit [Changehampton.org](https://www.changehampton.org) for how-to guides, native plant lists, and community success stories.

Detailed Show Notes

🌿 Segment 1: Designing for Pollinators and People

Guests:

• Abby Lawless, Landscape Designer, Farm Landscape Design
• Jason LaGarenne, Owner, Whitney's Landscaping

Highlights:

• The East Hampton Town Hall Pollinator Garden was designed with both ecological and aesthetic goals: 4,000 square feet of native-rich planting that welcomes people and wildlife.
• The design incorporates formal geometry to appeal to traditional tastes while championing native biodiversity.
• The garden includes about 79% native plants, with the remaining 21% non-native but non-invasive, like Russian sage, chosen for beauty and resilience.

Key Quote:

“We had two clients: humans and nature.” — Abby Lawless

Key Topics:

• Designing with deer-resistance and low maintenance in mind
• Using formal design to increase native plant garden acceptance
• Why it's not “all or nothing” with native plants

Keywords:
East Hampton Pollinator Garden, native plant design, sustainable landscaping, deer-resistant plants, low-maintenance gardens, Abby Lawless, Jason LaGarenne

🌱 Segment 2: From Static Lawns to Dynamic Landscapes

Highlights:

• Ecological landscaping challenges the outdated “mow-and-blow” model of lawn care.
• Jason emphasizes “management over maintenance”—creating evolving, healthy ecosystems instead of static yards.
• Native plant communities are more resilient and better adapted to local climate, reducing the need for chemical inputs.

Key Quote:

“Maintenance implies something static. Management implies life.” — Jason LaGarenne

Key Topics:

• Building living landscapes rather than static scenery
• Overcoming resistance from conventional landscapers and clients
• Combatting landscape myths: disease prevention, fertilization, pest control

Keywords:
ecological landscaping, organic lawn care, sustainable horticulture, plant community dynamics, lawn alternatives, living landscapes, regenerative design

🌾 Segment 3: Grassland Meadows and Climate Resilience

Highlights:

• A new native grassland meadow is being installed on the East Hampton Town Hall campus as a model of non-toxic, biodiverse land management.
• The meadow avoids synthetic chemicals like Roundup and uses closed-loop soil regeneration practices.
• Changehampton provides DIY resources, including plug planting guides and designs for homeowners on a budget.

Key Quote:

“If it’s not modeled, it can’t be replicated.” — Abby Lawless

Key Topics:

• Pollinator meadows as climate adaptation tools
• Affordable native landscaping through plug planting
• Closed-loop composting and microbial soil health
• Connecting soil health to water quality and human health

Keywords:
native grassland meadow, climate change landscaping, closed-loop composting, regenerative gardening, plug plants, meadow installation, non-toxic gardening

🐝 Segment 4: Hope in the Garden—Why This Work Matters

Highlights:

• Even small native plantings can become “islands of biodiversity” that support pollinators, birds, and soil life.
• Changing how we view landscapes—from ornamental to ecological—can shift public behavior and policy.
• Both guests emphasize the power of joyful experimentation and the importance of modeling success at every scale.

Key Quote:

“We’re building hope plot by plot.” — Abby Lawless

Key Topics:

• Creating backyard biodiversity oases
• Inspiration from natural meadows and native ecosystems
• The importance of visible, tangible success stories
• Fighting climate despair with hands-on action

Keywords:
backyard biodiversity, climate hope, native bees, pollinator habitat, ecological education, homeowner landscaping, Changehampton, Save the Planet One Yard at a Time

📚 Resources Mentioned

• Changehampton.org: Designs, plant lists, and guides for starting your own pollinator garden
• Doug Tallamy’s Bringing Nature Home
• Perfect Earth Project: Organic landscaping support
• Pete Oudolf & New Perennial Movement (design inspiration)