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    <description>Every capital stack looks clean on paper until the pressure hits. Chameleon of the Capstack is a podcast from PACE Loan Group (PLG) that pulls back the curtain on real commercial real estate deals, how they were sourced, structured, and closed using C-PACE financing. Co-hosted by COO Bali Kumar and CEO Rafi Golberstein featuring the PLG team and various CRE industry guests, each episode breaks down the creative problem-solving behind actual transactions, revealing how C-PACE adapts to fit deals that traditional financing can't quite reach.</description>
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      <title>The Water Park and a 50-Day Close | Hospitality &amp; C-PACE</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Most hotel capital stacks have three layers. This one had six: ground lease proceeds, C-PACE, mezz, preferred equity, common equity, and key money, and it still closed.</p><p>PLG CEO Rafi Golberstein and Head of Loan Structuring Jerry Ellis walk through Q4's hospitality run: a Hyatt House in Orlando connected by SkyBridge to a 1.74M-attendee convention center, and an $800-a-night unflagged luxury inn in the Hudson River Valley that became PLG's first-ever New York State closing.</p><p><br>Why C-PACE beat traditional senior debt on a Hyatt where the sponsor was deciding between a bank and a structured stack. How a related-party ground lease at 7% functioned as cheaper-than-senior capital. Why tranched funding across four draws saved the sponsor from negative arb on $30M sitting idle. And how a USDA loan falling out at the last minute on the upstate deal turned into a relationship-driven save.</p><p>Plus: why New York is the largest CRE market in the country and one of the slowest for C-PACE and what it took to plant a stake there.</p><p>Learn more at paceloangroup.com</p><p><br></p>]]>
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      <title>"Energy Hog" Gets Green Financing | Data Centers &amp; C-PACE </title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Data centers consume massive power, but does that make them ineligible for green financing? This one draws 20+ megawatts daily, making it the single largest power consumer in downtown Kansas City. It still qualified for $100 million in C-PACE.</p><p>PLG CEO Rafi Golberstein and SVP Robbie Pinkas break down how direct-to-chip cooling, upgraded chillers, and Kansas City's underground chilled water infrastructure made a seemingly unlikely deal fully eligible. They also explain why PACE beat investment-grade bonds for this particular capital stack, including non-recourse structure, 20-year fixed-rate terms, and the flexibility a greener sponsor needed that traditional data center financing couldn't offer.</p><p>Plus: why PLG now accounts for over a third of Missouri's entire C-PACE production, what makes Kansas City a quietly compelling infrastructure market, and why centrally located data centers may hold more long-term value than the massive isolated complexes dominating headlines.</p><p>This is Part 2 of the Patmos Data Center breakdown. Listen to Part 1 wherever you found this one.</p><p>Learn more at paceloangroup.com</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Data centers consume massive power, but does that make them ineligible for green financing? This one draws 20+ megawatts daily, making it the single largest power consumer in downtown Kansas City. It still qualified for $100 million in C-PACE.</p><p>PLG CEO Rafi Golberstein and SVP Robbie Pinkas break down how direct-to-chip cooling, upgraded chillers, and Kansas City's underground chilled water infrastructure made a seemingly unlikely deal fully eligible. They also explain why PACE beat investment-grade bonds for this particular capital stack, including non-recourse structure, 20-year fixed-rate terms, and the flexibility a greener sponsor needed that traditional data center financing couldn't offer.</p><p>Plus: why PLG now accounts for over a third of Missouri's entire C-PACE production, what makes Kansas City a quietly compelling infrastructure market, and why centrally located data centers may hold more long-term value than the massive isolated complexes dominating headlines.</p><p>This is Part 2 of the Patmos Data Center breakdown. Listen to Part 1 wherever you found this one.</p><p>Learn more at paceloangroup.com</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2026 09:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Data centers consume massive power, but does that make them ineligible for green financing? This one draws 20+ megawatts daily, making it the single largest power consumer in downtown Kansas City. It still qualified for $100 million in C-PACE.</p><p>PLG CEO Rafi Golberstein and SVP Robbie Pinkas break down how direct-to-chip cooling, upgraded chillers, and Kansas City's underground chilled water infrastructure made a seemingly unlikely deal fully eligible. They also explain why PACE beat investment-grade bonds for this particular capital stack, including non-recourse structure, 20-year fixed-rate terms, and the flexibility a greener sponsor needed that traditional data center financing couldn't offer.</p><p>Plus: why PLG now accounts for over a third of Missouri's entire C-PACE production, what makes Kansas City a quietly compelling infrastructure market, and why centrally located data centers may hold more long-term value than the massive isolated complexes dominating headlines.</p><p>This is Part 2 of the Patmos Data Center breakdown. Listen to Part 1 wherever you found this one.</p><p>Learn more at paceloangroup.com</p>]]>
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      <title>25 Megawatts and a Printing Press | Data Centers &amp; C-PACE</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>A defunct Kansas City printing press. 25 megawatts of untapped grid power. A young developer with vision but limited liquidity. In this episode, SVP Robbie Pinkas walks through how he turned a gut instinct about data centers and C-PACE into a $100 million assessment—structuring retroactive proceeds to fund the property acquisition while financing the remaining build-out. The deal closed in under 12 months, the facility is now over capacity, and there may be room for a subsequent assessment. Robbie and Rafi unpack the sourcing, the creative deal architecture, and why this conversion model could be replicable for entrepreneurial data center developers hunting underutilized power allocations.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2026 09:00:00 -0600</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>A defunct Kansas City printing press. 25 megawatts of untapped grid power. A young developer with vision but limited liquidity. In this episode, SVP Robbie Pinkas walks through how he turned a gut instinct about data centers and C-PACE into a $100 million assessment—structuring retroactive proceeds to fund the property acquisition while financing the remaining build-out. The deal closed in under 12 months, the facility is now over capacity, and there may be room for a subsequent assessment. Robbie and Rafi unpack the sourcing, the creative deal architecture, and why this conversion model could be replicable for entrepreneurial data center developers hunting underutilized power allocations.</p>]]>
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