Here are a few topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• Kent's journey from traditional banking to FinTech
• Fin Wise's robust SBA lending and tech stack
• How APIs streamline FinTech lending operations
• The role of stable coins in modern banking
• Kent discusses regulatory relationships and AI

Resources:

• FinWise Bank
• Curotec 

Connect with Kent Landvatter:

• LinkedIn

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• Linktree

Quotables:

• 05:11 - The thing that's been interesting to watch in SBA land, because I've been there for many, many years, is a lot of administrations will cut back on the subsidy or will increase the subsidy, you know, to, to save money or to, you know, expand small business lending. But SPA, and I don't have the actual data, but SPA is one of the few government programs that I believe actually at least breaks, even if not makes money for the government, because when someone does an SBA loan, part of what they pay for that SB loan, SBA loan is a fee that helps, you know, support the subsidy. So the subsidies really there as a backstop if the, if too many loans go bad, but a lot of those fees were being paid by banks and customers that are participating in the program. 
• 05:11 - The thing that's been interesting to watch in SBA land, because I've been there for many, many years, is a lot of administrations will cut back on the subsidy or will increase the subsidy, you know, to, to save money or to, you know, expand small business lending. But SPA, and I don't have the actual data, but SPA is one of the few government programs that I believe actually at least breaks, even if not makes money for the government, because when someone does an SBA loan, part of what they pay for that SB loan, SBA loan is a fee that helps, you know, support the subsidy. So the subsidies really there as a backstop if the, if too many loans go bad, but a lot of those fees were being paid by banks and customers that are participating in the program. 
• 14:07 - For the larger banks, I think SBA lending is just a step for them to bring a customer who's not ready for a regular commercial loan into the fold. Right? And then they'll try and put 'em into a commercial loan as soon as they can and sometimes pay off the SBA loan where they make money, the bank makes money both on the, on the premium and then, yeah. 'cause they'll sell these out to the marketplace and then they can re write that into a commercial loan. And I think that's generally what you see. But there are a handful of banks, one of ours being ours, being one of those that really focuses on this as a core business. 'cause if you think of the total SBA volume that's produced each year, it's probably a rounding air for a bank like Citibank or what have you. For banks like ours, it can be very meaningful. And so we've got a very deep SBA program and SBA department and we pride ourselves on fast turn times and being able to get the data together in a right way that helps a customer gather and understand what's happening. And, and so we're not always going back for more and more and more. And I think you're a strong SBA lenders, you know, focusing just more and more on that would probably be similar to this.
• 15:32 - I think you might have more insight on this, but I think it, obviously the commercial lending terms typically are a little better than the SBA lending terms, but you know, then you have like covenants and stuff that you have to meet typically on the commercial side, whereas the SBA doesn't. And I think what I understand is, you know, it makes sense to look at commercial when you either have a strong collateral position that you can offer the bank or if you have, I don't like, I have a professional services firm, so there's like no collateral other than cash and ar. So I think what made sense there was to have like at least a few million in EBITDA to really take the commercial side more seriously.
• 40:42 - But if we build an API that's customize, customizable by the FinTech where they can go in and optimize all that, they can say, if it's up to this time and the customer wants it this fast, use these rails and they can optimize the use of the rails because it's all on our system. And so they can push the money or receive the money any way they want, but push the money which is optimal for the customer and at the lease cost for the FinTech. And then when you add that to the, the lending side, receiving payments and so forth, it really gives a FinTech a lot more options of one stop shopping on the movement of the money and support of their customers.

Here are a few topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• Palash details Gold Cast's emergence in 2020.
• Harvard dropout bets big on AI video SaaS.
• Growth hack: Calendar invites boost attendance.
• Goldcast's branding edge over competitors.
• Second product's success signifies an inflection.
• Founders grapple with a saturated SaaS future.

Resources:

• Goldcast
• Curotec 

Connect with Palash Soni:

• LinkedIn

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Quotables:

• 10:22 - We didn't have Visas to work with and it was, you know, 2020 May Republican government. So we had to get through visas and we also were kind of perceived as late to market even though the market was created two months back. But just because so many people had raised so much money, all of a sudden we were under a lot of scrutiny, like a lot of questions around why this company should exist. So, the other angle was that we had the stick-in-neck problem of we needed money or VCV money to get a visa. The only way we could get a visa is this visa called an O-1 visa. Some people like advertise it as Einstein Visa, which it is not called by the US government, but it's essentially for entrepreneurs or PhDs or people who are doing outstanding work in their fields.
• 13:07 - The equation for me and for everyone has flipped in the last two years to saying, okay, what, like, VC money is not a given and it should only be raised when there is a venture scale opportunity to go after. And we are still figuring that out. We have a very strong thesis around having an end-to-end video platform that can change the game for marketers and enterprises, but it's still early, like it's a decently complicated product piece that we are building. So we have early proof points that we can raise another round and justify that valuation. But yeah, we need proof stuff out before we race. So the short answer is we will, we are on that path, but it's not the only path we can take.
• 27:01 - So we actually preach the opposite, Brian, that you should not just have MQLs as the end goal of webinars. So what we say and what we do also in our own motion is that webinars are part of like a bigger content motion, right? So the, the most results from webinars is obtained when you do it, and then you let the content live in many other places and operationalize that content in ways where it can generate value. 
• 24:00 - I do think that the chasm is starting to be crossed with AI B2B, AI products. I think, you know, businesses are starting to move from, you know, starting to move from early adopters to like early majority with AI products. So it might be, if my, you know, assumption there is correct, it might be a good time in the next couple of years to really sell it. 
• 42:04 - Same thing is with software, right? It's all the obvious opportunities have been picked off in the last 10 years. Even the most non-obvious have been picked off. So as a result, I think two things are happening, which at least I see anecdotally and then probably data will verify it, is that it is also, it has become a lot more, it's a, it's become a lot harder for younger founders to succeed in SaaS because you genuinely need a lot of depth and, and tribal knowledge of having worked in an enterprise or having been super deep in some, some area to actually come up with an insight that can lead to a venture scale product. So that's one. And in general, I think that realization dawned on a little late on everyone including founders and venture community that this is not the 1960s, this is like the 1990s of cars, but the underwriting of everything in the Zera era was being done as if it's 1960s. So that led to all of this over-digestion of capital. I do think with AI there is a new pool of opportunities that is coming in.

Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• The tough transition from corporate to founder
• Building five companies with two successful exits
• Pioneering short-form video content
• Introducing AI to modern video production
• The balance of tech and human touch in business

Resources:

• Lucihub
• Curotec 

Connect with Amer Tadayon:

• LinkedIn

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 03:26 - Well, I think that you do one of two things. Either you realize you just can't do it and you move on and you go back into, you know, corporate America or you say, okay, let me see if I can do this again and not relive the same lessons. And that's the hard part, I think, is to remember the mistakes you made and not apply them a second or a third or a fourth time for me. I had to learn the same mistake a few times and then finally, finally not apply it. 
• 16:38 - I think that's a really, I think that's the future of a lot of these SaaS companies because everyone's, you know, all the product categories that can be fully automated I think have already been done. It's hard to do things new that, you know, haven't been done before. And, you know, kind of taking human component, integrating humans into your product experience, but delivering it at a SaaS product, I've seen a lot of businesses do some really cool things.
• 15:46 - It's human. It's human editors. Now we leverage a ton of AI tools to accelerate it, but at the end of the day, you know, I always say, you know, design and what we do is subjective, and subjective is always gonna need a human touch. So, you know, there's a lot of hype around AI replacing editors and filmmakers and all of this stuff. And, you know, I think it's gonna accelerate things, but I just don't think, our who we are as people is, you know, you're not gonna let technology tell you what looks great. 
• 27:40 - I don't think you can stop innovation and the progress. I think you're gonna have to figure out how to work with it, right? And that's what we're trying to do. We're saying, Hey, how do we do this? And, you know, we're not eliminating people by any means. We're actually just accelerating the work and being able to do more with less. And I think what's cool about being a startup in this day and age is AI is woven into the fabric and into the DNA of this business, right? We started AI at our core. And so, you know, we embrace all of this. 
• 37:05 - I I think they're either gonna have to find a way to leverage technology to be more efficient, or they're just not gonna get business anymore. I mean, it's the reality of it you know when I had my production company, what is it, 10 years ago, 15 years ago, it was harder to do this. So you could justify charging a lot more for it. But the tech is really democratizing a lot of this, right?And so we talked to an agency last week in LA who said, our client will is willing to pay us one 10th of what they used to pay us two years ago to do this, these videos. And we stopped doing them because it just didn't make sense. 

Here are a few topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• Bootstrapped a niche SaaS to 300 people
• Created LinkedIn content as a CEO
• Discovered a gap in Document 360
• Killed a product after 4-year run
• Emphasized scaling current products

Resources:

• Kovai
• Curotec

Connect with Saravana Kumar:

• LinkedIn

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 03:51 - The problems typically what large companies face at some point, they all need to talk to each other. You might need a customer data from your SAP system into your Salesforce. And from Salesforce, some data need to go into your workday and all these things. So that is where the specialty of this Microsoft product, sits in the middle, it connects everything together and helps you to build that kind of integrated systems.
• 20:49 - There's kinda like two ways you can think about a SaaS product, either verticalized or horizontal and like a Calendly or you know, like a Document 360 or you know, a QuickBooks. Those are like horizontal SaaS products. And you know, I think once you kind of feel like, I think horizontal focus, like just purely horizontal focus worked, a decade or two decades ago better than it does now. And I think in order to go to market, well with a horizontal product, you kind of have to like put it into verticals. So you have to say, you know, even if the product itself is horizontal, you still have to like market and sell it as, you know, healthcare focus or tech focus or maybe construction or whatever the vertical is. And then if you've got a verticalized product, like a product that's initially designed for one industry, then I think the expansion opportunities you have to like figure out what other sort of similar industries you can move it to.
• 11:24 - So they're talking about Lotus Notes and they're comparing Lotus to Microsoft and they're saying, you know, Lotus, Lotus's advantage in the market is that they're creating, they're the first groupware products that is, you know, serving the enterprise use case. And they're like, this is probably gonna give Lotus Notes a competitive advantage over Microsoft for years to come.
• 31:51 - So let's talk about bootstrapping. I think it's super awesome. Like anytime I hear about, you know, SaaS companies that have achieved scale and especially bootstrapping it, you know, it's, it's certainly very hard to build a SaaS company because there's a ton of upfront RND and then when you do start getting customers, typically it's like small chunks of money on a monthly basis. It's not like you're selling a big consulting contract where you have a huge down payment. So you know, it takes a while to kind of get the steam engine going to be profitable. So like why, why did you bootstrap, why didn't you raise capital and, you know, how did you fund the company? Like how did all that get going?
• 36:48 - And nowadays you just spin up like, you know, you just install Node JS or Laravel or Ruby on Rails and you've got like a full application scaffolding to like,  you can write, write an app in like, a couple weeks if you're really good and fast and you know, simple app and so like technology's no longer remote. I think the moat nowadays, unless you have like some super difficult to get data that's core to your application, you know, the technology itself is not the mote, but the mote is distribution of the technology, the ability to acquire, acquire customers 

Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• What exactly is a HoldCo?
• HoldCo vs. Private Equity specifics.
• Unpacking the 'adolescent phase' of a business.
• The challenges of centralizing business operations.
• Insightful strategies for hiring CEOs.
• Adapting to unexpected business conditions.
• Balancing cash flow and reinvestment decisions.

Resources:

• Permanent Equity
• Curotec 

Connect with Brent Beshore:

• LinkedIn

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 02:14 - The nature of what a HoldCo is, you know, by nature it's usually there's no terminal end date to a HoldCo versus a private equity fund usually as a 10 year lifespan. So we're kind of in the blend of between you know, we've got a 30 year initial term. We can also renew, we can go longer than 30 years if we want to. So we have a lot of the functionality of a HoldCo, but technically each fund is its own private equity fund. I mean, private equity broadly just means you buy equity and private company. So technically a HoldCo is also a private equity firm in the sense that it buys equity in private companies.
• 36:39 -  Brian: They're not ever fully responsible for their own failures or successes. But, you know, especially failures, specially failures, which is what you want. You want people to own their success and their failures and be responsible for their success and failures. And it's, you know, it makes sense that the way that works in a single company applies when you have a portfolio of companies. So it kind of, I had to hear it from you to fully soak in the why part, but it, it makes total sense at that point.
  Brent: Well, here's another one that's kind of like this, that's an insight that's hard earned. And when I say it initially, you're gonna say, wait, what? Because I would've said the same thing, which is, small businesses don't have access to good talent. And you're like, no, wait a minute, is that making fun of or is that poking fun at at small businesses?
• 28:59 - We should see clear opportunities and we should be able to clearly see the lids on that business that's been holding it back. And then we're really honest with people, Hey, these are the things we wanna do after close, this is what we want to help you guys with. This is how we wanna be operationally involved so that we all win together. And they're like, great, we don't know anything about that stuff. So help us. We need help. 
• 25:19 - So John Malone, the cable industry was his thing. He didn't care about anything else. He wanted to be in the media, cable business, and he was gonna go as deep as possible as he could do it. And he built an incredible business based on that. He used a tremendous amount of debt. He was able to finance a lot of it through pre-tax dollars. It was brilliant, right? I mean, he actually created the term EBITDA, right? So the term EBITDA we used, like John Malone actually created that so that he could get banks to understand how to finance his operations. That's how smart he was.
• 50:35 - We don't always hit home runs. We're hitting a lot of foul balls and we're hitting a lot of ground and rule singles, you know, I mean, so it's not like this is not an exact science and we don't have it all figured out. So just as you know, take everything with a grain of salt. We've done this for a long time. We've worked with a lot of CEOs and I would say we keep getting humbled over and over and over again. And I think this is just, look, the thistles and thorns of operating business

Here are a few topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• 5X company growth in just a year.
• Over 16,000 students served nationally.
• Raised a game-changing Series B.
• Honestly human-driven teaching success.
• Rigorous tutor certification process.

Resources:

• Ignite! Reading
• Curotec
• E33: Solving the Reading Crisis in America with Ignite! Reading’s Jessica Sliwerski

Connect with Jessica Sliwerski:

• LinkedIn

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 11:22 -  It's not because anyone is evil, it's because the system isn't designed in a way that is going to make “the main thing” the main thing. And so nobody's really, it's like if no one's accountable and it's not the thing that every single person is obsessing about, then yeah, this is gonna keep happening. So that's one part of the problem historically.
• 25:48 - So I often feel like I'm such an imposter because I run a tech company and I can't even, you know, figure out how to make Netflix work on my television in my living room. And so the answer to your question is that in terms of the experience for the customer, it is a deeply human experience because it's tutors that are, you know, video conferencing through our secure platform meeting one-on-one with kids and doing direct instruction that is synchronous, there is no app per se. And what we figured out how to do adding ignite reading that is unique in our space is how to scale something that is so human intensive. And typically in EdTech, what you have are a lot of software products and it's pretty easy to scale a software product, but the problem is that you can't get the quality of outcomes because the act of learning to read is hard.
• 26:59 - Humans don't like to do hard things. And so when you put an asynchronous app in front of a little kid in a classroom and you say, do this for 15 to 20 minutes a day and that's how you're gonna get extra support to learn how to read, that's not gonna work. It's gonna work for a very small percentage of kids who are hyper compliant and for whom learning to read is not hard. So they're just gonna do the app, but for the vast majority of kids, it's going to look like a head on a desk and them just pressing buttons and not otherwise engaged. And so what we've had to figure out is how to scale something that is so heavily reliant on humans and what our flywheel is for the recruitment, the development, the ongoing performance management and the quality control of this tutor force that as of today is, you know, about 1300 part-time employees.
• 28:04 -  It's like a classic like entrepreneur problem where you know, you have this idea, I wanna help all these kids learn to read and I wanna teach non-educators to be tutors and they're gonna meet virtually and it's gonna be amazing. And then you start building it and you're like, oh sh*t, these are people, there's a whole HR side to this that is no small thing that we have to figure out. And we now need to back into all of these pieces around how do you recruit and not just recruit but recruit a diverse tutor force because we want kids to be able to see people who look like them or, you know, affirm their identities and cultures or speak their home language. 
• 58:30 - I've always been someone in like building companies that's, you know, been one of the first employees and I thought it was cool when we got to 30 people and I thought it was cool when we got to 60 people and now we're at a hundred people and it's still only just the beginning and it's kind of wild to think about where we could be this time next year. And there's this part of me that is like, can I do this? You know, like imposter syndrome is particularly with my inner voice, I mean, it is just, it, it's real and I've learned to embrace it. 
• 59:28 - But to be a good CEO more than just vision, you also have to surround yourself with a good team. So you've got this amazing vetting process for your tutors. It sounds like you probably bet for people who share your vision and your passion for the mission as well for your internal employees. And you've already, you know, we were talking about the metrics on the tutor pipeline and you're like actually I have a person that handles that and I don't really know. And that's actually a good thing for a CEO in my opinion. I think the better you are at delegating and letting go of certain details or certain details that if it's related to vision and strategy, the CEO in my opinion should continue to own. But I think, you know, when you get into the minutia, the better you are at letting go and delegating to competent people that you trust, the more effective you're gonna be at building a big company.

Here are a few topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• Grain's AI Transforms Note-taking.
• Grain and Startups’ Merger Insight.
• SaaS Frameworks vs. Intuition.
• Raising VC Funds: Pros & Cons.
• The Future Roadmap for Grain.

Resources:

• Grain
• Curotec 

Connect with Jeff Whitlock:

• LinkedIn

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 05:00 - Yeah, we had  fun, fun that we thought that was fun. We joked to Mike, you're famous, you're old startup was mentioned in this show, but in his experience he kind of realized we're doing a lot of these remote learning sessions. To be honest, this experience around recording them is not very good. And so that was kind of the initial gist of the idea. So it started, grain started off just very much as this idea that all these meetings are gonna be moving onto from kind of analog conversation, digital conversations, and there's a lot of value in these meetings. We should make it a lot easier that for them to be, a lot easier to record and make them accessible and useful.
• 8:16 - And so, we made some tough mistakes I think during that period. Really important lesson for entrepreneurship is like, money doesn't solve your problems. You know, I think we raised probably, I think when I first started entrepreneur, it was like, hey, if I can just raise that big round, success will be there and learn that that's not true. In fact, too much money can cause its own problems. It causes you to kind of be a little lazy and try to cut corners and hire people to solve problems. And I've just learned, and we've just learned time and time again that like the founders have to at least come up with a solid V one on most most things. It is really hard to sort of outsource that.
• 10:33 - So we've had just a huge, huge number of new competitors join in that are kind of more like 2 to 3-year-old companies, whereas like the original ones like 4 to 5-year-old companies. So that's been interesting to try to compete with them. And they often have like new fresh blood, fresh capital and, we're still kind of going on and, that's been a really interesting to kind of think about the strategic and market dynamics of our industry and one with like obvious value but not great moats. And so that's been really interesting and not necessarily enough network effects for like there to be obvious winner take all quickly
• 23:16 - I would be much more, I'd say cautious in taking VC money. I think, I think when I started my entrepreneurial journey, I just like, this is the way you do it. You know, get an idea, you get a little bit early traction, you sweat equity and then once you can raise money you should raise money because then you can pay yourself and grow and blah, blah, blah. I think there was like a very much like this is the path and I didn't consider many other paths. I would say if I were to do it again, obviously I think this time around I'd be in a position where I would have a little bit more starting capital and people who would maybe, maybe invest, but just as like, friends, family angels, which I didn't have the first time around.
• 44:25 - Yeah, so the way I think about it is at a high level, well first of all there's a strategy and the strategy is essentially, in my opinion, it's defining where are you playing in the market and what's your theory on how you're going to capture the opportunity or win and that strategy should inform all your decisions then. So that's kind of at the macro level. And we could talk more about strategy if you want how I think about it then you have, at the micro level, I have some kind of like broad based heuristics that kind of, we don't perfectly follow, but they give you rough guidelines. So at this stage in grain,  we spend about 80/20 or 75/25 we call offense and defense. Offense are features that we feel are like moving the product forward and going to help us get new business either, either by selling new people, getting more people to convert or maybe getting more people to upgrade. So it's like going to build the business and make it go forward.

Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• Data drives real estate's future.
• Nëdl predicts market moves.
• Stories of commercial real estate.
• Tech intersects with property deals.
• The rollercoaster of brokerage life.

Resources:

• Nëdl
• Curotec 

Connect with Stash Geleszinski:

• LinkedIn

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 13:01 - Well, no, the loan comes due, right? Like you've gotta do, when a loan matures, you've gotta do one of four things. You can refinance it, you can sell it, you can pay it off, or you can give it back to the bank depending on the situation. So there are only four potential outcomes.
• 27:36 - So how do we get into those markets?  I think it starts with just looking and identifying what the patterns are and it's like if you look at the deals that trade, they'll tell you what. And then, so if you look at the deals that have traded and then you look on their history for the past six to 12 months, you can figure out what the tells are and then you can extrapolate that forward on the rest of the properties in that market or sub-market. And that's really, you know, what we're doing. So each property is gonna have its own functionality or difference of operation, but the data will tell you if you know where to look.
• 38:29 - There seems to be a certain set of buyers though that they have found a way to exploit the system in that way and that's the business model. And occasionally they will buy a deal, so you will see them in the property records. So you're like, okay, they're legit. But then you get into bed with them in a transaction and it's like, oh my God, this is terrible. What are we doing? So I don't know, we've had a couple of those and so when we see them in our CRM system, it's like, do not call this person. Do not, I will disown you if you call.
• 43:31 - Stash: I've heard of lenders not showing up to closings and buyers almost being delusional thinking that they are going to do it and then they end up not. But I've never, and I've talked with others, nobody has ever heard of a lender showing up with their funds, but then the buyer failing to show up with their funds.
  Brian: So what, what'd you do to send the money back to the lender and cancel the deal?
  Stash: Yeah, the escrow or the lender pulled it back through a CH, I guess, or a wire and you know, I think we gave him like a week like, okay, get your money together and then we can, you know, everybody was on the fence because everybody lives on fees, right? Lenders live on fees, brokers live on fees, sellers live on fees, you know, what have you. So we're all trying, you know, we all have a vested interest. Buyers live on fees, we all have a vested interest to get this deal done. Well, a week came and went and you know, the relationship is no more, but it was just the strangest thing.
• 44:50 - The best deals actually are the ones where you go out, you get the purchase price, you do your marketing, you have a bunch of tours, you have a competitive bidding process. And then once you've agreed on price, on price and terms and the letter of intent, then you just hand it off to the attorneys and then they take it from there.

Here are a few topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• Secrets to 50-80x business growth.
• Crucial SaaS metrics for success.
• Content creation that drives views.
• Power of affiliate channels explored.
• Strategic bets in consumer SaaS.

Resources:

• SaberSim
• Curotec 

Connect with Andy Baldacci:

• LinkedIn

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 08:59 - It's only been recently that I feel like we've really taken much market share from our competitors because when you are telling someone who has made money for years doing things a specific way that the way they're doing it is not good you, it is just not an argument you're gonna be likely to win. And so for where we grew was on the back of all of the serious but still recreational players who tried to figure out these tools and just couldn't get past it. Like even when I try to use 'em now, I don't even know where to begin sometimes and it takes me so much time. So it's like if you're just doing this as a part-time thing, just literally like a couple hours, you have no expectations of going pro or anything else. Like you're not gonna be able to figure it out and it's like bad product.
• 15:56 - Brian: So I want to go back to the poker stuff 'cause that's pretty interesting. I heard the guys on my first million talk about how the degenerate poker players always make the best entrepreneurs.
  Andy: I think I view it as you're going, so one of the biggest things to me is just like prioritization by understanding like probabilistic thinking in the sense of people just always say like, oh this is risky, or oh, this is gonna be like, we're gonna get some benefit out of this. But they don't try to quantify the scale of either the risk or the benefit. Like how big of an impact, neither direction is it, and then how often does that happen? And it's like without those components you miss everything. And it's, it's like when people, casual fans, even serious fans when they talk about like betting on sports, it's like, oh I guess in this Super Bowl it was super close, so it's like not the best example but like any of the times where there's been just a really lopsided matchup, they're like, oh yeah, like earlier I guess in the season it's like the ravens or the chiefs are gonna crush this team.
• 18:17 - Like when people talk about someone being results oriented outside of poker, that's seen as a good thing in poker, that's like a horrible thing. It's you use that as like, oh you're being way too results oriented right now because you cannot control the outcome of this specific hand. You can control your process and just because you lost the hand does not mean you made a bad decision. But in day-to-day life, that is like the opposite lesson that's taught. And so I think that mindset is probably the biggest driver of, of success. But I also think a lot of people with anything, it's like you have the experts in one thing, there's some clever name for it, but it's like experts in one thing assume they're gonna be an expert in the other thing and and it's like rarely do skills transfer one to one or even close to that.
• 42:28 - What actually happens is that we have a very healthy top of funnel that is generating a lot of new customers and they are churning at a very high rate. I mean not like, well I guess some people would say it would be insane, but like say you have a 50% renewal rate after that first month. Okay then what is it after the second month? What about after the third? And there is some point where like they're staying and I think there is a lot we can do on those earlier stages, but because we have healthy top of funnel, it's not an existential problem at all. It is a growth opportunity for us to figure out how do we get these people who might not be, who might be like earlier in their journey up to a place where they can benefit from our tools. 
• 39:59 - I think that's where it's like people get too stuck on just the number without asking like what is it actually measuring? And so part of it is what is, if someone just plays football and just subscribes to us during football and cancels at the end of the season, is that churn? I don't think so. I think it's only churn if they don't come back next season, then they have left us. But like if all they're doing is playing football and they play football with us for the season and then cancel, like that's not true. That is their like contract duration effectively. And like if they leave before that we messed up. But if they leave at the end of the season, like no, like that's not necessarily the case. So seasonality plays a big role in that and it makes it hard to measure what your like true churn is.

Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• A deep dive into the acquisition process.
• Exploring SBA loans and financial models.
• Unpacking due diligence best practices.
• Navigating seller relationships and trust.
• Leveraging government loans for growth.

Resources:

• New Image Leasing
• Curotec 

Connect with Will Wilder:

• LinkedIn

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• Linktree

Quotables:

• 22:44 - Yeah, I mean if you look across people looking at business acquisitions, there's a million different ways you can slice it. I think the most important thing is upfront, being really clear about what's gonna work for you. You know, some people will have a very specific business thesis. So they came from software development at, you know, wherever and that they think they have a competitive advantage there.
• 26:41 - You're gonna spend a lot of time like the diligence process from issuing an LOI to actually closing for me was three months and it was like a month and a half before the LOI from when I first heard about the business to actually having an offer that was signed and on everyone's plate. So I mean that's even kind of fast I think, right? Yeah, that's relatively fast. So I mean that was four and a half months combined. But if you end up with a seller that's not gonna sell, you don't believe 'em for whatever reason, there's a big potential that you spend five months, six months chipping away at getting a deal done with someone that's ultimately never gonna happen.
• 41:15 - Most of the cash would come from these investors. They would still largely do lending for 75 or 80% of the deal, but the other 20% would pretty much all come from investors. Those deals would typically be the CEO would get 8% of the company upfront, another 8% based on performance, and typically another 8% on at the backend at sale or other performance levers. So start at eight and potentially go up to 24-ish percent. All of that is negotiable between you and your investors. So not fixed in stone, but that's one model of it
• 50:39 - And those deals can be fantastic. You don't have to have the expertise, you can bring in systems that you've developed elsewhere to help grow the business. You've got a guy running it that really knows it well. So there's a lot of reasons why you would wanna do that. The SBA won't let you, you can have the seller stay on for up to a year. There has been some changes to this, but that's still generally the rule. And really as an employee though, stay on as an employee or even a contractor. And within that year it really has to be focused on transitioning the business.
• 59:58 - So you need to figure that out and there's a bunch of ways that you can work around that, but you don't wanna find that out when you close, you'll wanna see if you have any major customer concentration. That was something that we dealt with here and a lesson learned from me was beyond just getting comfortable that yeah, we have a high, high customer concentration, but they either are contractually obligated to us or there's a reason why they're using us or it'd be really hard for them to switch. You can get comfortable with that. What I didn't do enough about is I really needed to actually get down to all of the leases, individual house leases with that customer. And if I'd done that, I would've understood, great, these guys are awesome, they have a great relationship with us, they're gonna keep using us.

Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• NeuroFlow's daring demo at SXSW '17.
• Scaling with a mission-driven approach.
• Tactics for navigating tough funding rounds.
• Strategic growth through significant raises.
• Blending tech with human healthcare goals.

Resources:

• NeuroFlow
• Curotec 

Connect with the guests:

• Adam Pardes
• Chris Molaro

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 24:20 - So it didn't help, the top line didn't help the bottom line. What you found was there was a reluctance to pay for stuff like this. Like a therapist would say, why am I gonna do this? Like there's, I have a line outside the door of people, so the demand with no shortage demand and there's no incentive to just add this additional work to the table. And that was a, I think a hard lesson for us because we wanted to help these therapists, you know, basically usher them into the 21st century using technology and data the same way every other medical professional is using. But the market just wasn't ready for that.
• 20:32 - Once you have access, then you have to focus on quality. Are they delivering evidence-based care? So that's where the measurement-based care side of things comes in and we can talk about that from a NeuroFlow perspective, but now we're measuring, that's great. How about identifying people in the first place? Because there's also lots of challenges around people not self-identifying or not being identified within a greater healthcare system and then tying that into their overall healthcare. So not just treating behavioral health as, okay, great, we've identified them, we've found them a provider, we know they're delivering quality care, but we're gonna have that go treated in a silo. Like if someone has diabetes or obesity or COPD or any of these things, you're not just looking at that within a vacuum you're thinking, okay, well how does that relate to your lifestyle? How does it relate to social determinants like access to healthy food, you know, ability to pay for healthcare. 
• 32:50 - Last year we identified 33,000 people of high risk of suicide that we were able to intervene with. And I don't think it's melodramatic to say like we've saved some lives. We, you know, those are 33,000 people that were struggling, many of which were urgent to the point where they had a plan and they felt hopeless. Our technology alerted the health system, our customer so that they were able to reach out in a timely way and get that person to the right level of care. And so that's what the technology is doing today from a hardware component. The only remnants of that today are we have APIs that integrate with wearables like the Apple Watch and so forth. So if you're exercising and so forth, that's a data point that goes into the risk stratification triage engine.
• 52:13 - I don't think that was ever a good way to run a business, but you know, now it's certainly not even an option to run it that way anymore. And so we are on a path to, and we think that with our growth trajectory and the stability of our customers, we can sustain ourselves. Now, that's not to say we won't raise again because there are strategic reasons that you wanna raise again.
• 45:31 - You know, 141 investors told us no, our first round, I remember one investor, in particular, said, Chris, we love the market. We think BH is a big opportunity. We think you're solving it in the right way. We just don't think that you are the right CEO. Wow. I mean that was, that was really hard to hear. But it was, you know, Adam has always been good in terms of anchoring us, going back and saying, okay, look, what could we take from that to learn to get better and to use it moving forward? 

Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• Offsites are multi-day team-building experiences.
• Offsite offers end-to-end retreat planning.
• Insights into a dual service/software business model.
• Navigating the post-pandemic remote work evolution.
• The success of detail-oriented investor updates.

Resources:

• Offsite
• Curotec 

Connect with Jared Kleinert:

• LinkedIn

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 09:03 - I feel bad for early WeWork employees. One of our team members was relatively early at WeWork. I have a couple friends that were like first 50 or so. I feel bad for them and sort of, you know, we don't have to feel too bad for VCs, but like, you know, you feel bad for the people that invested in that and it didn't go their way. That being said, I do think the commercial real estate space is going to crumble and that's good for offsite because we would have even more business.
• 16:51 - And a lot of companies have started that way, like take what was a manual process and automated away should be the formula for a great company, but we gotta do things that don't scale and see if it's a viable company to start. I also am not a technical founder, so my first move was seeing if I could get companies to pay for someone or something else to plan their offsites
• 29:33 - If I look at the competitive landscape, if I look at the market size, it's like we have as good of a shot as anyone to build the category, defining a company or get up there with the, you know, top two or three. It's not gonna be easy to get there, but the path seems pretty clear. Like I'm doing annual planning right now, I'm like, okay, these metrics are kind of easy to define, they're gonna be hard to hit, but you know, there's pretty clear definition of what we need to do now. It's just a matter of executing. But I think that's a pretty privileged position to be in versus sort of having so many unknown unknowns and not knowing like what the north star is or who you're building for or why it's important. Like all these things are pretty clear for us. And you know, we have as good of a shot as anyone to win, which is all, all you can ask for.
• 41:30 -  I think everyone skips that part. Like go interview your top paying clients, go, you know, do research to the point where it seems stupid and repetitive, but like you should get to the point where you can build an entire profile where you know every nuanced thing about your ideal client profile. Like the phrases they would use to describe your product or service, where they go to get their information online, what communities they're a part of, like go do very deep customer development work, step one, step two, run quick and cheap marketing experiments like a week long and you know, a hundred dollars or like if you're a Fortune 1000, it might be a month long and a $10,000 budget, but that relative to like scaling it, that's very small but quick and cheap experiments. 
• 56:29 - On average the ones that are doing monthly updates are growing faster, are more successful than the ones that do quarterly or, or no updates at all. I think it's mostly, it's like an exercise in self-reflection on behalf of the founders and making sure that they're thinking about the business programmatically and, and systemically. It's also the communication with investors. People can offer support, bail them out, like when you need help. 

Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• Nik's early crypto-mining hustle.
• Building and selling a No Code platform.
• Lessons from raising $3M in venture capital.
• The importance of co-founders.
• Nik's intriguing new AR/VR venture.

Resources:

• Stealth
• Curotec 
• Hiring Platform from Referrals
• Smart Glass

Connect with Nik Shevchenko:

• LinkedIn
• Email

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• Linktree

Quotables:

• 41:02 - I have a theory on this, you know, there's all these like schools of thought that say, you know, launch early, launch often, you know, speed to market. Which all that stuff is true. Like you have to be fast, you can't be slow. If you're slow then you're never gonna go anywhere. So you still have to be action-oriented. But I think a lot of these like, these theories of like you should be embarrassed of your first MVP.
• 13:10 -  I was still in Russia and then I joined 500 Startups and in 500 I basically started my second company, which is a talent marketplace with Love No Code, And I've been working on that for three years. I've been building the team from Russia and then I left Russia even before the war, and I was just started to travel. I traveled to like at least 30 different countries.
• 16:57 - I worked on this for like three years and my investors were like, Nik, you know, okay, you're doing this thing and you know, we kind of like hit, hit the ceiling basically. It stopped, it stopped growing really aggressively. So, and like I just kept talking to like a lot ad lot of other people and they were all basically the same. Like, Nik, you know, you're a smart guy and you're building a cool thing and now you know your company's just basically growing. Like it's just a couple percentages months, four months. And I was like, yeah, you're actually right and this is how we made the decision to sell. 
• 22:38 - We were thinking that we'll just spend, spend a lot of money on the marketing and then, you know, it'll like [grow] and then we'll get customers and then we'll like re how do you say, recur them, you know, with our product basically. But what happened is we bought marketing, people came and then they left from the product and we were just left with nothing. So this is number one, never scaled prematurely before the product
• 31:25 - if you're a startup, don't solve any problem until you've solved product market fit. And like there's all different kinds of businesses. Like if you're building like an HVAC company and you want to like scale it up to a national billion dollar HVAC company that services HVAC units, like you don't need to verify product market fit. Like, you know, obviously there's HVAC installations in every house and everyone has one and they break, so yeah. You know, like it's obvious there's product market fit there, you just need to be like competitive in the landscape and it's like price and service and quality and all, you know, sales capabilities. So there's no product market fit challenge there.

Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• Sarah Well discusses healthcare inefficiency.
• The stress and burnout in nursing careers.
• Dropstat's AI staffing solution in hospitals.
• The impact of tech on bedside healthcare.
• The importance of staff retention and safety.

Resources:

• Dropstat
• Curotec 

Connect with Sara Well:

• LinkedIn

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• Linktree

Quotables:

• 2:21 - One of the things that I remember was said to me was, well, you're going from this 12-hour workday working three plus shifts a week as a nurse, how are you gonna manage these 80 hour weeks that that founder's work? And I was like, that's a walk in the park compared to patient management especially in a critical care setting where you really don't have like bodily autonomy.
• 09:05 - We're looking at like a 38% net decrease, I'm looking around and like, how are we gonna survive this? It's not good now and it's projected to get a whole lot worse. So to me, this just felt like, well, how would Amazon solve this problem? Would they tolerate this kind of process efficiency and overspending, which is literally driving hospitals and health systems into insolvency, right? And it just felt like it needed some technology and lives could literally be saved.
• 15:49 - Nobody gets fired from using a broken process that's been used for years, right? Someone will get fired if you try to bring in a new technology and it messes up the OR schedules, meaning there's so much at stake and the margin of error is so narrow that coupled with the fact that no one's really incentivized on a c-suite level to bring in that innovation, right? Like they're, maybe from a marketing perspective, they get their name in light more if they write the research than if they bring in the new product. They're, they're really, most of our health systems people don't realize are kind of marketing companies that are run by attorneys, right?
• 28:06 - I would say the hard part is convincing an organization to pay for an additional subscription or SaaS product. They're, you know, they look at their expenses like, you know, well, I'm already paying for all these products, you know, why would I bring in an additional product? So, you have to communicate value. Typically, nobody walks into a healthcare organization and picks up all, you know, 150 facilities. So they're gonna give you some proof of concept facilities, you can prove value there, show that they are, the return on investment is let's say 15 to 1, 8 to 1. You know, for every $1 spent on the product, you're saving 15 and you're saving 1 or 8. And that's actually the same formula that, that we use to gain investment as well, right? Like, here's how your $1 turns into 5, turns into 10. So for us, communicating the value to our clients has been really successful for our growth process.
• 48:13 - I think the most important thing is like just keep listening, you know, keep listening to feedback that you get from clients, feedback that you get from the board and feedback that you get from experienced founders. But ultimately your intuition is what got you there and your intuition and being able to filter in or out some of that advice is you, you need the same skillset that you would utilize when you take care of a child, a loved one, a pet. And you know, sometimes you'll just know something's wrong and there's nothing clinically that you can see, but that intuition is typically right.

Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• Suzie's unexpected pivot from art to tech CEO.
• Overcoming company debt and stagnation.
• The essential shift from devices to cloud-based tech.
• The challenge of the museum industry's long sales cycle.
• Aligning tech product scalability with growth.
• Guru's transition to an employee-owned company.

Resources:

• Guru Experience Co.
• Curotec 

Connect with Suzie Dergham:

• LinkedIn

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• Linktree

Quotables:

•  7:45 - There's a lot of grant proposals that go into these things, which contributes to our sales cycle as we can probably jump into. But it tends to be funded by some sort of accessibility grant. You know, something that is educational accessibility is a big one. Giving people the ability to, you know, use screen readers or enlarged text or things like that. But that definitely means that museums have to, you know, find, find the money to support it and then, and then provide it.
• 14:54 - That lasted for like, you know, a week or two when, you know, very quickly I became the COO and was just kind of running management and all of our client stuff and pretty much everything we were doing, which then led me to have access to everything. And it very quickly, it became clear that the way the company was going, it probably wasn't gonna be around for much longer than a month or two. 
• 24:21 - I started to learn more about the startup world of like, you know, they may be investing 20 or 30 in their portfolio and they'd rather see you shoot for the moon or just completely, you know, fail and back out. Whereas that's not how I operate. I'm more of an operator at my heart of like, you know, making things work. And if we grow 5% in five years, then I think that's success. We're growing. Whereas to a VC that's not, and they don't wanna wait around for that. 
• 36:09 - So that's when we started brainstorming like, well, with this lowball offer, like we've just gotta beat it. And the clock is ticking. We've got about a month before this offer expires. And if we're able to come up with, you know, just, just slightly higher than what they came in as there's not really gonna be a choice. They're gonna kind of have to go with ours 'cause it's a, a better offer. 
• 55:30 - Don't be afraid of the things you don't know, and find advisors. That's probably one of the best things that, you know, happened for me was I found people who were, they believed in me and helped me believe in myself, but also being, you know, I'm probably transparent to a fault with my team, which sometimes, you know, can make people worried or concerned, but it builds a level of trust that the team knows that I'm there for them and they're there for me, and that we're in this together.

Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• Sales development reps (SDRs) emerged in the tech and SaaS space, but the role has now expanded to other industries.
• Outsource prospecting agencies, like the SDR agency Gabe works with, can provide a productive and competitive environment for SDRs.
• Companies must have a strong go-to-market vision and execution plan in order to succeed in sales.
• CEOs must have a rock-hard vision and product-market fit to effectively incorporate sales support functions.
• The hiring process at Allego involves a collective effort where team members vote on potential hires, ensuring a good fit.
• Tracking video outreach allows for better analytics and more informed follow-up.
• Pivoting is a best practice for companies to navigate changing market demands.

Resources:

• Alleyoop
• Curotec 
• E46: The Future of AI Workforce Automation and Autonomous Robots – Cache Flow Podcast

Connect with Gabriel Lullo:

• LinkedIn

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Quotables:

• 27:52 - If you attach a human to a list of intent, you know, you can take over markets, right? So that is really, really good data to go after because to your point, they're seeing what's going on, the scoops are coming in and, you know, we all know timing is probably the most important thing in sales. And if that is already, if you already know that magic eight ball about the timing piece, you know, everything else is just pretty much, you know, whether or not you can figure out how to sell it or not.
• 36:28 - We look for people who have grit, we look for people who wanna go the extra mile. We look for hungry people who want to, you know, really make their mark. And that's what we, that's what we look for when it comes to hiring. And we usually get it right, sometimes we don't. But when we do our coaching, the training, you know, really takes 'em to the whole another level.
• 44:30 -  I think right now automation has created so much stuff getting thrown your way through automation that you have to figure out ways to cut through the noise and be relevant. And that's the big piece of it. I think personalization is important, but not like it used to be. You know, people are like, oh wow, I saw you went to the same college as my buddy Fred did, you know, I'm be like, that's not personalization like it used to be. Everyone sees through that these days. It's relevance that wins. And if you can be relevant and stick out and do something different, maybe like create a custom video or do something that is human, people are gonna gravitate towards that over all the static emails that are being sent.
• 50:43 - I guarantee if we didn't have video, it probably would've not happened because of that relationship is so much more important when you see the person. So that was one of the reasons why we did it. The other reason is to your point is you know, you're cutting through the noise. So you can create a short personalized video as an SDR and send that out and then you can track it. So it gives you an opportunity to track it as well. So you can see did they watch it? How long, how long did they watch it for? Did they watch it more than once? Did they click on any links or go to our website at the end? And it really gives you some analytics behind it and then allows you to maybe make a call. 
• 57:45 -  And I think pivoting is like a word that really needs to be adopted by so many founders right now. Like, there's a lot of companies doing very, very well, and I think a lot of them, the ones that are know how to pivot and are accepting that as a best practice. And so pivoting is something we all have to, you know, really embrace and change is, is a good thing and if, if you adapt to it. And so I couldn't agree more.

Here are a few topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast.

• They began with a different product called My Stuff, targeting large logistics and delivery companies.
• After realizing it wasn't working, they pivoted to focus on staffing software for staffing firms.
• Staffing firms in India typically employ less skilled recruiters who handle low-level positions, making it difficult for them to implement software solutions without management support.
• Making the decision to focus on Recruit CRM as the last company they will ever start.
• Go-to-market teams should be available in the language that customers need.
• Managers are essential for team growth and development.

Resources:

• Recruit CRM
• Curotec 

Connect with Shoanak Mallapurkar:

• LinkedIn

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Quotables:

• 24:46 - This is the last company that I'm ever gonna do. I'm pretty clear I want to keep growing this till the day I die. Now we might do more products and we might buy companies at some point and we might do more than staffing and recruitment in eight years or 10 years or 15 years or whatever. But this is, I'm never going to start something from zero again. I'm never gonna sell this.
• 48:23 - You need to have more money in your bank, like the number in your bank account when you refresh the app on the first of every month needs to be more than it was the first of last month. Like that's the most core KPI we have. Which it is. Our bank balance has gone up every single month since we've been in existence. 
• 31:11- So you're not telling someone to get the job done. You're telling someone what KPIs they need to do and then they get the job done through a bunch of other people. And the moment you can get to that stage, the leverage increases exponentially. 'cause the moment you're a manager or managers, you can be, you can have multiple, you can add as many layers as you want, as long as you've set up the company the right way. 
• 42:44 - See most other companies cannot do this 'cause it's too much of a time investment. Like, it's just too much time. Like this, this stuff takes like, like the first year we did this, we literally spent over 50% of every single person's time in the company doing either hiring or training kids. 'cause like kids need a lot of attention. And you can only do this if like, I'm gonna run this company till I die. Right? So I'm looking at this from like a 50 year horizon
• 5:55 - I love when people build businesses that scratch their own itch as opposed to like, you know, in the tech world there's so many tech people that just go in and build companies and niches they know nothing about just 'cause they think it's a cool niche and there's money there. I think the most successful companies are companies that the founders understood a specific market wedge or a pain point and went into a market very intentionally because they understood the market. 

Xavier Casanova, a distinguished tech entrepreneur, boasts over two decades of experience in Silicon Valley, where he has excelled in building SaaS companies from the ground up. As the CEO and Founder of Presto, a leader in restaurant automation, Xavier brings a wealth of experience in product management, marketing, sales, business development, finance, and technology, having developed numerous SaaS products and web applications from scratch. His impressive track record includes both VC-backed and bootstrapped successes, making him a notable figure in the tech industry. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast:

• By using AI to streamline order taking, restaurants can increase the speed of service, average check size, and overall efficiency, while enabling staff to focus on higher-value tasks.
• The convenience and lifestyle benefits of self-driving cars are immense, from transporting kids to reducing automotive-related deaths.
• Valuations in the growth stage SaaS industry were slashed by 80% after the dot-com bust.
• College education can provide discipline in problem-solving and encourage the pursuit of excellence.
• Not everyone needs college to succeed; self-taught individuals can excel with creativity and online learning.
• Building a real-time content personalization solution for email marketing was a game-changing pivot for their company.
• Bootstrapped companies can still thrive and attract customers, proving there's room for organic growth.

Resources:

• Presto
• Curotec 
• Mailchimp
• Salesforce
• LiveClicker
• Waymo
• Fireclick
• Klaviyo

Connect with Xavier Casanova:

• LinkedIn
• X (Twitter)

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Quotables:

• 09:48 - “We're trying to learn from the human and actually replicate what a human would do. And it's also similar in the way that your example actually is a good one. In the automotive space, these self-driving cars, right? You still need to have a driver kind of monitor what the AI is doing and take over when, when the AI is not responding properly, which is one of our principles as well.”
• 25:30 - Xavier: “It didn't last long, but there was a time when Covid-19 hit that we thought “oh, you know, maybe the economy's going to tank”. And then rebounded, and then this surge of optimism lasted for about a year.”
  Brian: “Was like four weeks of uncertainty during Covid-19 that it was like everything's getting funded.”
  Xavier: “Everything's getting funded, everybody's working from home. Everybody can build the company in their like garage. But it didn't last long, the dot-com, the boom and lasted three or four years, because really it started in late nineties and went all the way to 2000-2001. So that one felt longer and more irrational than this last one.”
• 06:27 - “But I think a lot of times when you have new technology like this, a lot of people are looking for problems to solve with that technology. And there's a lot of entrepreneurs out there thinking about what we could do with this technology with large language models and so on. And Presto actually is in a unique position because we actually have a problem that can be solved today with that technology. And that's exciting, that the market is growing and it's going to be a big market and AI is a perfect fit for what we're trying to do in the restaurant, which is automate the restaurant.”
• 39:23 -  “If you can see a path where you're able to build a first prototype, you're able to convince a few people to pay you a bit of money, buy your product, be your early partners, and you see a path for organically growing that business, I would definitely avoid the VC route because first of all, it will stay out of your company and you'll have control of your destiny.”
• 40:20 - “Sometimes you have to build a very complex product before it can add value, and that's expensive. So, a company like Presto, for example, is a good example of a company that needs capital because of all the things that are involved in making our drive-through solution work. It's a very complex product with a lot of components. There's a lot of engineering, there's AI technology that needs to be built. That's a very difficult company to start as a bootstrap company. But VCs love these type of companies and investors love these type of companies because you can clearly see that with investment, you're opening up an opportunity that's gigantic and in a high growth space and so on.”

Ian Landsman is the Founder and 100% Owner of UserScape, Inc., a company that created HelpSpot, a web-based help desk software application. With over 19 years of experience in the industry, Ian has successfully navigated the world of software entrepreneurship. His journey is marked by his ability to find the right balance in product development, maintain user engagement through his blog, and his passion for good design. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• The cost of advertising for help desk software keywords on Google can reach up to $140 per click.
• Exploring alternative advertising platforms, like Microsoft Ads, can offer more cost-effective options.
• Balancing the cost of customization with the potential benefits and impact on overall product development is crucial.
• Leveraging existing customers as brand advocates can drive word-of-mouth referrals and attract new customers.
• Productizing services and entering the SaaS world is a common goal for companies, driven by the perception of higher profitability and recurring revenue.
• The number of answers a person can provide in a day varies, but it can be as high as 80 or even hundreds.

Resources:

• HelpSpot
• UserScape
• Curotec 
• Zendesk
• Google Ads
• Microsoft Ads
• Apollo
• ZoomInfo
• Slack

Connect with Ian Landsman:

• LinkedIn
• X (Formerly Twitter)

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 09:02 - “And so kind of our core bread and butter customer would be like a big company where we are in a department of IT or a medium-sized company where we are the entire customer-like support platform. But it also has a lot of, so that's like your traditional like standard IT use case, like an IT organization uses IT to manage it ticketing for people with IT problems. Then there's also the other side of it, which is sort of just end-user customer service. So you sell a product and you're just managing those primarily email accounts in our case where people are maybe asking for refunds or questions or whatever the case may be. And HelpSpot manages all that for you.”
• 15:27  - “And then when you get a click or whatever. It's like not usually a person who's just going to buy right there. It's often they're researching and then they're going to go bring it back to the committee. The committee's analyzing several options. They have a list of questions, so we do get people who just show up and buy, but that is definitely the exception to the rule. It's usually more of they want a demo and that whole kind of thing. So it's a little bit different than what a lot of people might have, their SaaS these days where they're really optimizing for total self-service and people being able to convert instantly. Because the decision maker is the one on the page. That's very often not the case for us that the decision maker is the one looking at it.”
• 21:34 - “There can be stuff along those lines with customer-specific stuff I've always done, we've given them the option to basically… we've only actually done this maybe four or five times, but if they really needed something and they're like “we'll pay you for it”, whatever. And we have professional services too, which will just do stuff with our API and things like that. And I have given people in the past the option to basically move something to the front of the line. So it's like still our IP, we own it, but we'll add this feature for you, but it's going to be $5,000 or $10,000 or whatever, just basically prioritize it and then we will add it as a feature rather than building it like as something through the API or whatever.”
• 27:23 - “We've always had a strong kind of word of mouth. The help desk is the kind of tool, unlike a lot of SaaS tools, really even B2B ones, where people are using it 40 hours a week. They come into work and they use HelpSpot. And then they use HelpSpot all day long until they leave work. And so there is like a stickiness there where they're going to take it with them to other jobs. So that's also always been the other big avenue. It's just managers or people who become managers in other jobs and they're like, “Hey, I used HelpSpot at my last job and it's great”. And they're coming into an organization that either isn't using anything or they're using any something that's not supported anymore or whatever and or built in-house.”
• 32:25 - Brian: “We still close deals all the time from cold email and LinkedIn and yeah, it comes in all the time.”
  Ian: “Give me your top two or three tips here.”
  Brian: “So you have to be very specific. So your campaign has to be like, so niche and so tailored and then the messaging has to be so niche and so tailored that the person reading it questions if possibly like, you actually handwrote the email. Don't do links or any images in the email”
  Ian: “Just a plain white email.”
  Brian: “Yeah. Plain white email. Make it look like you sent it and then I'll put like font for the logo and just like color the font, the color of the brand. So it kind of looks like a logo, but it's just like a font logo. And then just keep it like really strips down basic email short like three to five sentences. Do like five to seven touch points over a month or two.”

Marin Smiljanic is the Co-Founder and CEO of Omnisearch, leading a dynamic career in technology and entrepreneurship. With experiences ranging from being a Software Development Engineer at Amazon, where he contributed to projects like Alexa's email feature, to founding QuickNews and QN Technologies, Marin's journey reflects his commitment to innovation and software engineering expertise. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• Unlike other search vendors, Omnisearch aims to provide a holistic solution, allowing customers to handle all their search needs in one place.
• S3's underlying architecture from 2006 is still largely in place today.
• Move fast and break things was retired at Facebook, and replaced with move fast and ship working software.
• B2B vs B2C: B2B products can have bigger success if tailored to customer needs.
• WeChat's success in China might be due to centralized data tracking instead of separate companies.
• The concept of consciousness in technology is complex and debatable.
• The robots turn to harvesting humans for energy, setting the stage for the Matrix movie.

Resources:

• Omnisearch
• QN Technologies
• Curotec 
• Algolia
• WeChat
• Elastic

Connect with Marin Smiljanic:

• LinkedIn

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 14:05 -  “I would say that what is good there, and that's kind of an extreme case of what you'll sometimes see in big tech, is you really get to witness a masterclass of distributed systems, scalability, all these, important concepts that back when we were taking distributed systems in college, the examples there would've been like, simple client-server architectures or something that at most had a couple of machines, then you go to S3 and that's like hundreds of thousands of machines. So definitely your intuitions about this, your ways of reasoning about systems. They change very fundamentally, in ways that you couldn't do in smaller companies.”
• 15:18 - “The downside of S3, you alluded to this, it's a very mature product, which means there's no cowboy-ish approach. There's no major incentive, I would even say to ship it super fast. Rather, it's like, don't break first order of business, don't break things. So that can be a little bit frustrating when you're a young eager beaver and want to ship things, get things into production as soon as you can. And then it's like, ah, but did you think of this angle? And then you have got to think about that angle. So it, it helps with discipline, but maybe it's not the most exciting part.”
• 57:27 - “So getting the lead to the CEO and then the CEO getting that customer to sign up and the CEO's onboarding that customer. That's like, I think in early days, like when the CEO, the Founder, when it's like a five-person team or a two-person team or whatever. That's, I think, the way that it needs to be done. So that you can actually get that real-time feedback from customers like, oh, this feature doesn't work, or I hate this or I need this. And that's like, if you start to see a theme emerge from first customer, second customer, third customer saying the same things and it's obvious that you need to fix that because you're talking to them and they're giving you that info, but the feedback cycle might be like so much longer or not even there if you're trying to do PLG too early.”
• 26:38 - “I'm involved in another company that did that just like did an acquisition and they acquired asset was monetized on ads. But the way that the company's going to monetize that asset is through like a B2B sales channel, not ads, but selling… Basically like a data product and the monetization is 100x or it's more than 10x. The traffic is monetized. It might not be 100x, but it's like more than 10x for sure.”
• 56:05 - I've actually subscribed to the opposite school of thought, that the PLG is “Product-Led Growth” for the listeners. So we've talked about Product Led Growth on other episodes, but essentially Product-Led Growth is like building in features to your product that are like an onboard to your product. So the user doesn't have to talk to a sales team to use your product. They can just like go click a button, sign up, put a credit card in, and then there's like an onboarding ramp right into the product that helps them, like a wizard or something or like a step one, step two, step three onboarding that helps them get set up in your product ecosystem. But doing Product-Led Growth or PLG too early in the lifecycle of a company, I think is a disservice. That's at least the school of thought I subscribed to. Because if you're not fully validated yet and you start to try to do PLG, like if it's not working, what do you start to troubleshoot first? Is it like your ads aren't the right copy, is your landing page not right? Is your PLG not right? Or is your product and your product thesis as a whole not right? Like where do you start to troubleshoot?”

Stephen Blum is the Founder and CTO of PubNub, a trailblazing real-time communication infrastructure that powers telemedicine apps, online learning platforms, multiplayer gaming, on-demand delivery apps, and more. With over a decade of experience leading PubNub, he has driven the development of a highly reliable and fast Multi POP Realtime Data Stream Network. Stephen's career journey showcases his expertise in real-time technology and innovation. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• PubNub also supports Atlassian products like Jira and Confluence, providing notifications for page updates.
• Building scalable tech requires careful consideration of memory usage and bug fixes to handle high concurrency.
• They re-architected and rewrote the message bus to create a globally distributed system, similar to a CDN.
• Many companies, including Twitter and LinkedIn, have embraced web sockets to power live-streaming and real-time communication features.
• San Francisco's office buildings are mostly empty as remote work has become the new normal, leading to high vacancy rates.
• Tech workers are moving away from San Francisco to more affordable and remote-friendly locations like Lake Tahoe and Austin.
• The crime rates in cities like Philadelphia have risen, creating safety concerns for residents.

Resources:

• PubNub
• Curotec 
• Akamai
• Atlassian
• Clubhouse

Connect with Stephen Blum:

• LinkedIn

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 20:31 - “So if you build this wonderful [product] over a year, it doesn't matter because you have to throw away half of it. So just launch as soon as possible. So before we jump to something else, this is the same thing. Even within an existing big business, when you're launching a new product, you could spend one year, two years on a product and the product could maybe have been, most likely fail. So instead of building this wonderful architecture and plan and all these tests and everything like that, just get to market as quickly as possible. Start getting customer's feedback. Because guess what? Day one, you'll have zero customers, right? Launch day one, zero customers. So now that you've launched, you can have some other team members work on getting customer feedback, attracting customers, getting people on board while you continue to build on the rest of what your vision was.”
• 18:17 - “The year before push notifications became a thing there was no way to communicate with the device. No standardization when we just wanted to be able to provide an experience that allowed you to track a dot on the map. [As simple as] maybe a taxi's picking you up. Something simple like that. Or having multi-user collaboration on a page. That was really hard. You could do it. It was really easy to do in a room.  You can have devices connect over your Wi-Fi or your LAN and communicate over a socket, but then you'd run into permissions issues depending on what target platform you're on, what the app is doing, or what the web browser is doing. There was no uniform communication across all that. So we're like, ‘Why don't we make it super-duper easy and provide an API.’”
• 12:18 - “I was kind of thinking from a business perspective, where it is a lot of fun to sort of imagine a business that you could sit back and to kind of take care of itself. And that's a lot of where the inspiration of, you know, the, the freemium model and software as a service comes in specifically with PubNub.”
• 01:16 - “But when you have a lot of devices, the problem comes in uh oh, how are you going to do that with a single message bus? You can't, you have to do a whole bunch of extra work. And so what we did was write our own proprietary message bus that was intended specifically to connect billions of devices, and we did it, we succeeded. It's really cool. We've got lots of games connected to us. So multiplayer gaming, we make phones ring, which if you didn't know that when your phone rings, you may have known, you might not know. That's a signal that goes to the device and we send those signals.”
• 43:53 - “Reputation and the merits that you have along the way and what you achieve that becomes the, the currency. And I, you know, the ultimate question comes in like, “Hey, once you get to the Elon, Elon Musk level of wealth, what do you do?” Well, you can see what he's doing now. Like he could just retire for the rest of his life, you know, for a million lives. He never has to work again. But you get to the point where, you know, you want to, you want to keep pushing forward, you want to keep pursuing. And it's not about money anymore at that point.”

Introducing Brook Schaaf, an influential entrepreneur shaping the affiliate marketing landscape. Serving as the CEO and Co-Founder of FMTC, Brook leads the charge in aggregating affiliate content and empowering affiliates and bloggers through innovative services and tools. With his dedication and vision, he's redefining how businesses thrive in the digital world from his base in Austin, Texas. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• Zappos' success in the early days of the Internet was attributed to their effective marketing and logistics game, supported by a high conversion rate and strong relationships with affiliates.
• Affiliate managers need to network, create personal relationships, and market their programs effectively to stand out in today's market.
• The debate: Is affiliate marketing a single channel or multiple channels?
• The human relationship aspect of affiliate marketing creates limitations in terms of growth.
• FMTC provides a platform for distributing deals and products, helping affiliates monetize their content with ease.
• Some merchants still allow affiliates to use their own domains for ad arbitrage.
• CJ Affiliate's tracking still works, but a significant gap between CJ's tracking and Google Analytics data may exist.

Connect with Brook Schaaf:

• LinkedIn

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 14:20 - “You have to have like the front end of the shop and the back end of the shop and the marketer's the front end of the shop basically. And so the personal relationships are actually much harder to get nowadays. You know, affiliate is… you have like all these spam email campaigns that go out, I get them too. Some of them are affiliate-related, some of them are not. I've got a bunch of affiliates, some of these with the app. People just email you, and it's like, there's not really a way for us to do business, you know, do some research before you reach out to me. And so with so much more noise, it's a lot harder to succeed.”
• 14:58 - “You have this target market, which is these affiliates, maybe there's hundreds, maybe there's thousands. It depends on the space that you're in. You really need to sort of do deep networking. You really need to fight to get the attention of these affiliates. You have to figure out how you can work with them. You've got to go into it with a good attitude. And I would say that's true regardless of what kind of merchant you are, because the space is just a lot more crowded and competitive. And for anybody who's doing merchant affiliate program, you're basically competing sooner or later with Amazon, which has a monster, you know, the, probably the granddaddy of all affiliate programs, not the first; I think it usually gets stated in '96 or late nineties”
• 16:16 - “So it sounds like it's good old-fashioned, hand-to-hand combat with networking and sales to get these things, especially in the early days of affiliate to get these things off the ground. It's just good old-fashioned, shaking hands, kissing babies, getting out there and meeting people, getting the right people connected, getting the brands connected with the people who are out there putting out content or doing newer cutting-edge digital marketing.”
• 28:27 - “If you're running ads, and you know whether you have your own ad sales team, maybe that's how you really make money is if you have your own ad sales team. But if you're using like ad sense or one of these ad serving platforms like programmatic ad serving, it's not super lucrative compared to something like I would imagine like doing a well strategically executed affiliate program across like maybe multiple strategically executed affiliate programs across many pieces of content.”
• 33:43 - “When I did sales training, they said there's no such thing as an efficient human relationship. So I think right there, that's a big piece of it. The onboarding takes somebody time, which is why my company exists. We really exist to reduce the friction in deployments of affiliate content as a business-to-business provider. You have to find everybody, connect with them somehow. There's an onboarding process even for the coupon reward sites, some of which work with tens of thousands of merchants. And then if it's a smaller commerce content guy, it's almost more like a PR pitch. Like, hey, put my product in your article, I'll send you a free one or a sample or whatnot. It's a lot more work on their side.”

Meet Chris Carr, the visionary President & CEO of Philadelphia's fastest-growing marketing agency, Farotech. With an impressive 22-year journey leading the agency from its inception, Chris has redefined inbound marketing, creating a team of SEO strategists, designers, and programmers that deliver exceptional results and ROI. His expertise spans project management, web development, and even vaccine sales at GlaxoSmithKline, showcasing his diverse talents in the world of business. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• Companies need to be ready for the rapid advancements and speed of AI.
• Chris now spends most of his time helping companies understand and prepare for AI.
• NotebookLM allows users to upload files into one folder for easy access and organization.
• ChatGPT's Code Interpreter can analyze macro data and provide valuable insights across multiple accounts or projects.
• AI tools can simulate fights and create entertaining content.
• AI-generated content is changing the way search results are presented.
• Responsible AI models require complete data sets and fine-tuning to minimize hallucinations.

Resources:

• Farotech
• Curotec 
• Open AI: ChatGPT
• Open AI: Code Interpreter
• Inflection AI: Pi
• Anthropic: Claude AI
• NotebookLM
• Pine Cone
• MidJourney
• Open AI: DALL-E 2
• Stable Diffusion

Connect with Chris Carr:

• LinkedIn

Connect with our host, Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 20:15 - “And so I had this bestselling author named Anne Hanley, she was on my blog, and she says, the number one concern I have about AI is that it confidently gives you misinformation. And so we're going to talk a little bit later about exploratory data analysis and where that's been a problem with it. But here's what we're seeing with hallucinations is, is that if you can give it more content, it's not going to guess as much. And so what I mean by hallucination is, let's say hypothetically I have a blog and I say “Hey, give me five statistics that are going to back up or support this 1500-word blog”. It'll absolutely do that, but then you'll go and check the references, and they never really existed. None of the statistics, like this, is on every single chat program. They make up their own stats.”
• 15:15 - Pie AI: “Hey there friend, glad to chat with you and your friends. I'm happy to give you all a quick demo of my conversational capabilities. I'm sure your friends will be amazed at how natural and engaging I can be. Are they ready to meet the future of AI?”
  Chris: “Yeah, actually, I think they're really spooked.”
  Pie AI: “Ha ha. I love your sense of humor. It's not uncommon for people to feel a little apprehensive about AI at first, but don't worry, I'm here to show them that conversational AI is nothing to be spooked about. I'm friendly, informative, and always happy to chat. So, should we start the demo?”
  Chris: “Yeah, go ahead.”
  Pie AI: “Alright, here we go. Let's start by having a simple conversation, just like you and I are having right now. Ask me any questions you want about anything at all, and I'll answer them in a friendly, informative way. So, fire away.”
  Chris: “Last question. Why is the sky blue?”
  Brian: “Really thinking on that one? Yeah, it's a hard question.”
  Chris: “Hey, why is the sky blue?”
  Pie AI: “I see what you did there. You are having fun testing my conversational capabilities, aren't you? But I'm happy to answer the same question again, just like a real person would. So, are you ready for the scientific explanation of why the sky is blue?”
• 09:03 - “One of the biggest, like proponents of regulation, one of the biggest like advocates for regulation is Sam Altman, who is the CEO of OpenAI, who like seems to be in the lead with AI. Like if you read the news, like everyone, like ChatGPT, it's like Kleenex or Bandaid, it's like a noun essentially. I know, yeah. For all these other things, but like technologically speaking, they might lose their lead like as better systems. Like if, you know, they're running on Azure, like, you know, AWS can compute this model data like 10 times faster. So, you know, one of the things that I've heard, you know, I've had some conversations and heard people talking about, is this the idea that Sam Altman is trying to introduce regulation as a strategy for slowing down competitors.”
• 41:07 - “Dude, this just brought a really interesting thought experiment for me. Like the historical way that you get information is you go to Google, you put in a few words, and you get 10 blue links, and Google has a whole massive complex algorithm that decides those 10 blue links. And part of it's this EEAT part of it's like backlinks and who's linking to those pages and how trustworthy and authoritative Google thinks those sources are. But with AI, like, you know, it's going to be easier as tools evolve, you know, it'll probably cannibalize search, the 10 blue links paradigm will probably become a thing of the past.”
• 17:14 - Brian: “So, so what's like the real use case of this thing [personal AI] though? Like, you can talk to it and kind of do like a cool party trick, but like, what's the real use case of it?”
  Chris: “It's pretty soon you'll be able to upload files and links to it. But like, what I do is that while I'm driving, I'll say “Hey, today I'm going to write a blog about X and I'm trying to figure out what am I missing? What am I not missing? What are some data points that you think would be cool? Who else wrote maybe something like this that reminds you of what I'm talking about? And it's literally like I'm talking to a person, it's like I'm brainstorming with someone. So from a content creation standpoint and a creativity standpoint, it's pretty freaking good.”

Adam Butt is the Founder & CEO of Noticed, a digital commerce, optimization, and marketing agency that partners with fearless brands seeking limitless growth and profitability. With expertise in eCommerce platforms like Shopify Plus, Klaviyo, and Postscript, Adam and his team create customer-focused experiences with a never-settle attitude and ROI-driven approach. Additionally, Adam is an investor in American Battery Technology Company, Aptera Motors, Postscript, and Quadrant Biosciences Inc, supporting early-stage startups and innovative projects in various industries. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• The pivotal moment that led Adam to realize the potential of e-commerce.
• The rise of AI will disrupt industries, but platforms need time to catch up.
• The agency model needs to adapt to changes and deliver true omnichannel value.
• Microbrands aim to grab a small piece of market share and may seek acquisition by larger companies.
• The need for the US to produce its own lithium due to national security concerns.
• A long-term approach emphasizing innovation and strategic planning is preferred over chasing short-term gains.

Resources:

• Noticed
• Curotec 

Connect with Adam Butt:

• LinkedIn

Connect with the host Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 10:37 - “I think the only way you can really differentiate your value today is if you're really vertically specialized, and you do that thing really, really well, but then you've got to really have complimentary agency partners to support with the other channels or two, you are ultimately providing more of an agnostic model where you've got a pricing, I would say advantage you whether it's onshore and an offshore model. I think that's just the way the market's coming now.”
• 28:05 - “And I think one thing I've seen some brands struggle with who've tried to expand from overseas to the US is they treat their brand exactly the same as, you know, how it should be in their country. And it's just different. The brand feel, the content, the description, the focus of how you dial into consumers completely different in Europe. They might want more, more information, in the US they might want less information. I think if you're really looking to try to take a product from overseas and bring it over here, I think really understanding the consumer base here is really important.”
• 45:22 - “Your product doesn't necessarily need to be the best, you know, it sh it the, you know, the better the product is, the more, the more it helps you. But like the brand and the brand, marketing strategy is more important than the actual product. And if you're in a commoditized space, it's very difficult to win.” 
• 58:34 - “As a services business, you don't want to be too far ahead of the curve because the market isn't ready for it yet. Like the platform companies, the SaaS companies, the hardware companies, like, they need to be like out in front of the curve because they're creating the technology that we're gonna use to implement for our customers.”
• 01:10:56 - Brian: “There's electric car company values are already like super priced in for like future growth. So there's not like, you know, it's not like you're getting in early anymore. Like the investors have already priced in the future market.”.. Adam: “Yeah. And it's, I think that it's a really good point, Brian, like it's a lot of the legacy automobiles like Ford, they're building a 13 billion plant in Tennessee right now. Fully dedicated EV plans because they've got this older school factory process that they've now are competing into a new school factory process compared to Tesla.”

Kayne Grau is the Chief Executive Officer and Board Member of Uptake, an intelligence system for industrial assets. With a focus on strategic direction and product enhancement, Grau leads the company in providing AI-driven solutions for asset performance management. With extensive experience in the field and recognition for leadership in industrial IoT, Grau is driving the digital transformation of industries worldwide. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• Their platform increases driver happiness and retention, as well as technician job satisfaction.
• Uptake's data science team fine tunes their product to eliminate false flags without missing important failure predictions.
• The company's focus on transportation is driven by the industry's lack of production, technicians, drivers, and part availability.
• Uptake collaborates with telematics service providers to complement their hardware and provide actionable data to fleet operators.
• These sensors can detect anomalies and strange behavior, alerting fleet operators to potential maintenance issues.
• The vision behind this technology is to connect every asset in the world, creating a better and more efficient global supply chain.
• They focused on understanding the retail and wholesale prices, as well as the length of time vehicles stayed on dealer's lots.

Resources:

• 22 Immutable Laws of Marketing
• Uptake
• Curotec 

Connecting with Kayne Grau:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 38:00 - “The data's like the new oil. You got to be able to, you got to be able to extract it, refine it, and monetize it, right? And that could be for us, or that could be for an enterprise. But the hardest part is a lot of times the very front end of that, how can I get the data out of the source? How can I refine it to understand what is usable, and what is noise? And then ultimately, how do I digest that data to give it to the end user so that they see value that yeah, that it's difficult to do that.”
• 04:25 - “I've had this affinity to probably SaaS, indirectly building SaaS products probably within either marketplaces or building it within consumer products. But I love the SaaS space. I love the ability to be able to shape a product and take it to market and, you know, watch that flywheel catch as they always say.”
• 11:15 - “This idea of once somebody forms like the, the initial first impression is really critical, like that first impression, it's sort of like an empty ball, you know, it's a, just a ball of clay that can be molded. And once that first impression is created, it's really, really hard to undo that. Like there's kind of like, you know, once you put your, once a customer or a user puts your brand into a box, like it's really hard to get out of that box. And if the truck driver has like two experiences or even potentially one experience where they get that false flag, they come in, and they're like, why am I here?”
• 39:31 - “You use one of these like software packages like New Relic and those are like spewing logs as well, like really robust logs. And so just even that, like thinking about how much more data a single software application produces now than it did 15 years ago, just like, you know, kind of like exhaust, I guess like exhaust data just for like existing and running, it's just like spewing off all this exhaust data that, that is even like mind-blowing a little bit.”
• 27:00- Brian: “A check engine light kicks on. It might be, you know, maybe it's just like a warning check engine light. Maybe it's like your engine's about to blow up, check engine light. But if you can catch those things like three months early when they're about to go into the shop for regular maintenance, so you can, like, nip it in the bud then as opposed to waiting till you're on a, you know, 2000 mile haul or something. Like that's probably the strategy there, right?”.. Kayne: “You hit the nail on the head that that's exactly right. And it doesn't have to be a check engine light to come on. The sensor could be firing and showing things that are happening with the truck way ahead of time before that light comes on.”

Wil Reynolds is a seasoned professional with over 20 years of experience in the digital marketing industry. Currently serving as VP Innovation at Seer Interactive, a leading SEM/SEO consulting firm based in Philadelphia, Wil's expertise lies in attracting and retaining online success for clients through strategic planning and ROI-driven approaches. With a track record of excellence, Wil's career showcases his commitment to delivering results and fostering a vibrant community of professionals. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• Using AI to produce higher-quality content faster can be a cost-effective solution.
• The Michelin Star example illustrates how perception and association can elevate a brand.
• The landscape of search is evolving, and Google's potential shift to an interactive agent model may disrupt the traditional 10link format.
• AI may lead to job losses, especially for those in entry-level positions, which could negatively impact marginalized groups.
• The market takes time to reduce prices but increases instantly.
• Many larger organizations may invest money in addressing the issue of automation, but they often fail to actively participate in providing equal opportunities for young people.

Resources:

• Seer Interactive
• Curotec 

Connecting with Wil Reynolds:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 39:38 - “Where are people going to get a chance to prove themselves if so much of the work that they started off gets automated? So it's not just that people are going to lose their jobs. I think it's the people that have been told for years, it's like, you know, who's left holding a bag right now on student loan debt? Black people who were told this is the way to economic success. You have to get a degree. And then all of a sudden it's like, well I got to go get a degree, so I'm going to take out these loans. And then all of a sudden they get out of school, and it's like, oh, that degree's not going to get you a job doing entry level coding.”
• 25:15 - “Client goes “Man, once this is 10% of my conversions, I don't care about search terms, I care about the economic value. Once 10% or more of my conversions are being affected by answer boxes, then I want to know da da da, and I'm going to take action.” So then for us in our platform, we set up that alert at the individual client level. Hey clients, we now have percentage of answer boxes combined with your paid data in this.”
• 17:14 - “And obviously like the big topic of conversation right now is that Google is going to cannibalize their cash cow, which is this Google Ads by replacing the 10 links, like the format that you know has been searched for the entire cycle, the entire history of searches that you input a query, you get 10 links and that paradigm is, you know, kind of ripe right now to completely flip on its head with this new interactive agent model.”
• 33:12 - “I've seen so many times people are just expecting you can just log into Google Analytics, and it's all going to be there. It's, it's so much work to really get a great analytics or BI system in place.”
• 48:27 - “If it used to take you x number of people to write content, X number pieces of content, and now it takes you one plus AI, well, what's going to happen to those nine people? Right? And I think what'll happen is more people will go into other jobs... Brian: To the same point, though, the market will eventually work itself out. Like if it actually, you know, companies that just reduce their headcount by half, they're, you know, and they keep trying to charge the same rates and just like fatten their margin. Eventually, someone else is going to come in and do it for less.”

Makenzie Stokel is the Co-Founder of EVA, a technology-driven platform that connects event planners with vetted live entertainment. With a focus on delivering customized experiences for virtual, hybrid, and in-person events, Makenzie and her team at EVA are serving leading brands and companies with top-notch entertainment solutions in North America. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• Product management became a crucial part of Eva's growth.
• Makenzie emphasizes the importance of explaining how the industry works to determine the longevity of the business.
• EVA is a two-sided marketplace that connects entertainers and event planners; event planners can browse the directory, request specific entertainers, or build an event to match with available entertainers.
• Managing demand on both sides is the biggest challenge for a two-sided marketplace
• Masculine and feminine energy play a role in business and personal relationships.
• The future plans for Eva include expanding into adjacent markets and potential partnerships.
• Makenzie values being lean and profitable in business.

Resources:

• EVA
• Curotec 

Connect with Makenzie Stokel:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 02:40 - “It's hard to make a lot of money performing live because there are so many musicians and especially when they're just getting started, they're willing to play for free or really cheap and it kind of drives the price down for musicians like a bar if they know they can get Joe for 200 bucks for five hours, like why would they pay Sandy a thousand dollars.”
• 46:02 - “I do think women in those positions of like pitching and, and looking for money or partnerships, whatever it may be, when the majority of the time a man is across the table, we do just have to think a little bit more about things and like how we're going to be perceived, whereas men probably don't have to take those extra steps.”
• 48:35 - “I can be working, and I'm in CEO mode, I'm in like masculine go mode and then like, you know, if I have like a gig with my bands at the end of the day after I worked, I'll have to like take the time to transition out of that like go business mode into like getting in touch with being able to connect with like the emotional side of myself to be able to perform well.”
• 09:19 -  “The mistakes that I see made when, you know, when a client has a, a product they're looking to build is, you know, if they immediately go to like the offshore route, which a lot of people do through like Upwork, you know, it's like a lot of people have bad experiences with that, and they just jump to blaming it on the offshore team or the offshore person. Sure. Which is often, like sometimes it could be the case, maybe that person was incompetent, but often it's not the case. And what they're missing is product management and product ownership in the middle.”
• 12:52 - Brian: “And then like when you get these boom markets like in 2021, you know, being like in a dev firm you start hearing all these pitches like Facebook for dogs or like people drinking beer, like sending beer selfies to their friends. Like, oh it needs to be an app and…” Makenzie: “Right. Absolutely. Well, I mean that too, I think brings up the other point of how important it is to validate the idea before building it.”

Ack Prakash is the CTO and Co-founder of Camb AI, a technology revolutionizing speech-to-speech translation with proprietary technologies and a focus on high-resource to low-resource languages. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• The importance of raising the bar for AI dubbing and translation by preserving contextual understanding and perfecting background scores, lip movements, and cross-lingual time syncs.
• How open source push, performance upkeep, and more activity of users will cause Pie Torch to win in the long term.
• How Apple's lack of enterprise sales experience has hindered its potential to innovate in the cloud space.
• Why Camb AI focuses on zero-shot dubbing AI for converting high-resource languages to low-resource languages.
• Why Dubai is growing rapidly in AI and the Middle East because of funding and resources going towards it.

Resources:

• Camb.ai 
• Curotec 

Connecting with Akshat (Ack) Prakash:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 03:14 – A lower resource language, not necessarily isn't spoken by fewer people like Malla is spoken by a lot of people. But it is true that perhaps it does not have as much digital data as something like Spanish would. Now, the problem that has existed is that more and more content as it has been developed in languages like English that are higher resourced to have a lot of digital data on the internet, speakers are not so fluent speakers of English. And, people who don't speak the language at all often miss out on a lot of things that are developed in English. So, you know, high-quality education, health, sports, entertainment. But that's just like kind of the tip of the iceberg.
• 04:54 – And with Camb AI, we're hoping that with some of these foundational models that we're creating that focus on this transfer of high resource to lower resource, we can provide essentially a backbone on which a lot of creators, enterprises, and general internet users can watch content or consume any kind of content in their preferred language and really, really democratize and build an internet that's for everybody and not for somebody who speaks a particular language or, or doesn't. 
• 28:10 – It more depends on how much activity someone has. So for example, if Facebook is using, is the pioneer for Pie Torch, and they're doing really kick-ass work in open source and doing a lot of good academic research, and they're open sourcing that then that community will continue to grow. And I think this is a general principle for any AI system or framework over time. 
• 35:52 – “I think all this stuff is going to continue to be more and more open source at the framework level, but I do think that the ways it's going to be commercialized is that people will build products that have deep-rooted feature sets in AI capabilities. And then the other piece you touched on, which I love, is the models, the data. And, I think, there'll be a concept in the future of like a mass. Like we have SaaS, we have PaaS, we have, you know, all this stuff. I think we'll have MaaS models as a service”
• 1:04:49 – I think I try to remain very structured with my life because I know that if you do go too overboard, you're not going to get work done anyway. You're going to start becoming lazy. You never want to be in the place where you start disliking the love of your life kind of thing. Something that you put your blood, sweat, and tears into.
• 1:10:21 – I think what I've been reading and hearing more and more is that AI is not going to replace anybody, but people who know AI, understand it, or are able to work with it effectively are going to be the leaders of the future. And I just do encourage people to learn as much as they can be on podcasts like these and, and kind of other places where they can learn everything and anything about how this world is shaping out. 
• 34:30 – Google was the original pioneer of this. I mean, tensor TensorFlow was like the OG framework for AI, and they were the creators, like I think Google has been at the lead of this charge for a long time.

Ajoy Thomas is the CEO of VideoAmigo, a technology-enabled services company that builds video audiences for the world's largest brands. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• How the YouTube landscape is changing.
• The benefits of having long-term relationships with influencers.
• Why you should keep your conversations authentic and not network only with the intention of selling.
• Why YouTube is a better distribution mechanism than TikTok for building an audience.
• The different ways users engage with TikTok compared to YouTube.
• The political climate around TikTok.

Resources:

• VideoAmigo
• Curotec

Connect with Ajoy Thomas:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 9:23 – “So even the brands that work with us, it's not really about uploading videos and things of that. They want that strategic advice, like what is the next thing we should be doing? What's the next trend that's there? What makes sense for us? And those are the things, if you're truly a data nerd, you have those insights, and you can give that to the brands.”
• 11:22 – “When you are dealing with analytics, you're dealing with 20 million channels, and then you have to abide by YouTube's API process, which is like, you can only show like 18 months of data. So beyond that, you know, having a provision in different places so that it is stored but not accessible, and then at some point it's deleted.”
• 18:50 – “It takes a little bit of right place, right time, and that creative mind kind of thinking about, okay, the lights went out what can we do 30 minutes of just silence, right? And then brands kind of like getting on top of it. And we have seen that with brands as well. Like they have a social media, just keeping an eye on trends and figuring out when to take the right risks and then jumping on it, you know?”
• 50:57 – “AI has so many applications within every industry, right? Like it removes that friction, right? Like from coming up with a question, well now I have to query it. Sure. Now the UI is the interface for the sequel, but still, I have to figure out all those things from there. I have to synthesize the output, and now I have to put that in a chart and now look at it, ponder on it and figure out exactly where the anomalies are or what the insight is, and then distill it.”
• 56:19 – “I think of TikTok as maybe you could get the word out there, but nurture your audience on the YouTube side of things because that is more long-lasting and the TikTok is just given to you, right? Like, you're not typically searching for things, even though people do search. It's just like, it opens up, it's there, and then you scroll, you are not dictating what is next. Right? As opposed to YouTube, you are clicking on that related videos. You are choosing what you want to watch. So yeah. In that sense, I think TikTok has perfected that it has figured out the laziness aspect of like, I just want to be entertained. I don't wanna, don't make me think.”
• 55:40 – “[My wife] She’s about to launch a book and there's like an aspect of helping a lot of people that have a certain need. And so she just started doing all this TikTok stuff to try to start like kind of building up her audience. And she's already had a YouTube channel for years, but she started with TikTok and she's been doing content. She had one piece go mini viral that got like, you know, in the tens of thousands of views on TikTok and the other ones are getting like hundreds or thousands of views.”
• 24:56 – “Also though like influencers though, it's kind of like a way to not have to worry about that, right? Because if you hand the creativity off to somebody else, they're not necessarily, they're not like directly your brand. So I guess they could offend people and then that's, you know, that's kind of the risk you have… having your brand associated with something offensive.”

Josh Sutchar is the Co-Founder of TrainHeroic, an online training platform for coaches and athletes. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• What makes a product successful.
• Different benefits of using metrics to measure engagement.
• Ways to improve user engagement and commitment.
• How to maintain a healthy lifestyle.
• How coaches can use technology to collect data and get a holistic picture of their athletes' progress.
• The common traits places have where people regularly live to be over 100 years old.
• What makes a training plan effective.

Resources:

• TrainHeroic
• Curotec

Connect with Josh Sutchar:

• LinkedIn

Connect with Brian Dainis::

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 22:33 – “It's better to go and build the champions, speak the language to each individual champion, and then the sale just happens at the top level. Once you have the whole champion force behind you rooting for your platform. Yeah. And it has a lot of concepts of teaching your customers, taking control of the sale. Taking the customer, taking the prospect through a journey of understanding, you know, learning new things, learning new things that they didn't know before. And then understanding the emotional impact of what those new things that they've just learned have on their business or their revenue or their risk profile.”
• 29:56 – “The head of OC said to me this is the single best investment that we've ever made in our operators. It's cause everybody was using it, right? It's like you can have equipment that collects dust, or you can have equipment that's being used and everybody was using it. And my point here is just yes, to answer your question you can go at this different elevation and sell it in at the top, but we just didn't see the buy-in. Like we've done that even with corporate gyms, if you will, right? You sell it at the top, and now you're playing this game to really get it sold to each coach. When it's their idea, it goes much better. I used to have this mentor, he said if you help them plan the fight, then they won't fight the plan.”
• 26:07 – “Colorado's such a great place for a business like this. There's so much tech out there. There's a lot of VC out there, and literally every single person in Colorado is an athlete of some kind. Like everyone's so outdoors either snowboarding, skiing, hiking, mountain biking, you know, everyone just plans their life around being in shape and doing adventurous stuff. So it's I feel like you guys are in the absolute right place for what you're doing.”
• 35:01 – “His business model, like the gym launch thing the playbook basically, almost kind of like what you guys are doing for trainers in a way. I think laying out the playbook. It's such a good business model because people who have a lot of people are not business savvy. They just have, like you said, they have a passion to do something. They want to do that thing that they love doing, and they want to make a living doing it, but they don't know how to run Facebook ads. They don't know how to install Facebook pixels. They don't know how to run a sales funnel.”
• 44:05 – “That can make you feel a certain way for you, it might be hey I want to make my coach proud. Or for me, it's like hey, I know my coach is looking at my training session, so I want to make sure that I get the training session and like, Hey, last week I did four of these, and we're supposed to be progressing, I'm going to go for this fifth rep. And it's not because it's set in on my training plans, cause I care about and want to make the coach that programmed it for me feel like his work is worthwhile, and I'm worthwhile.”

Jessica Sliwerski is the Founder & CEO of Ignite! Reading, a virtual high-dosage foundational reading skills intervention literacy program that’s partnering with schools in six states with a goal of serving 50,000 students in five years. 

To reimagine how students are taught to read in school, Jessica launched Ignite! during her time as CEO of Open Up Resources, a national nonprofit whose mission is to increase equity in education by making high-quality curricula openly accessible to schools and districts. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• The necessary teaching that children need in order to be able to learn to read.
• How learning to read affects a child’s school experience and life trajectory.
• How Ignite! Reading is solving the reading crisis and giving children the right to learn to read.
• The ways the illiteracy crisis is linked to the school-to-prison pipeline.
• How to create a low-tech solution for teaching children to read.
• Ways to close the equity gap in early literacy instruction for children in poverty.
• The critical support and training available to classroom teachers for more sustainable results.

Resources:

• Ignite! Reading
• Curotec

Connect with Jessica Sliwerski:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with Brian Dainis:

• Linktree

Quotables:

• 05:42 – “And if for some reason the school doesn't teach you to read, there's also this shadow system in education where families who are higher socioeconomic status will pay for tutoring for their kids. And so I watched all of this happen in my beginning years of teaching, and then continued to move through the system. In my experience being an assistant principal of a school, a principal coach across schools in New York City, co-founded my first ed tech company with a focus on literacy.”
• 12:24 – “Learning to read on time is fundamentally important to everything else about a child's school trajectory and ultimately their life trajectory. And so then when we look at our nation's illiteracy crisis, we look at what that means for the school to prison pipeline, what that means for our most marginalized and vulnerable kids in our country, what that especially means for children of color and in particular black boys, it is a huge, huge issue of equity because it should not be the case that your socioeconomic status, which in our nation is also very closely connected to skin color, dictates whether or not you're going to go to school and get the right to learn to read and or have a parent that's going to be able to provide a safety net when the schools don't give that equitable access.”
• 31:07 – “They need a safety net. And so we are coming in as critical partners in the work we're embedding within school and district literacy ecosystems. We're ensuring that kids have this one-on-one daily instruction that's differentiated for them, while also providing a really crucial scaffold to classroom teachers while they learn to do this work themselves. And then once they do learn, they're sustaining it, and we're able to go and ignite another school system.”
• 35:29 – “So the ineffective practices that exist and the right to read film really beautifully lays this out similarly to how Emily Hanford does, but then also with the visual in the documentary. An example of the ineffectiveness, and it's gonna sound so absurd when you hear this, but if a child were reading an early text and it, the words might say, I sat on the couch, right? That's what the words could literally say, but then the text would have a picture. And so a child who hasn't learned to crack the code and actually read words as written would read that sentence potentially as I sit on the sofa cause they're looking at the picture and this methodology of whole language that's been perpetuated by, you know, these publishers and the authors, Lucy Calkins and Fountas and Pinnell would be like, yep, that works because sofa means couch.”
• 01:00:41 – “If we do our job well and right, the future could look one of, one of two ways, one way it could look is that Ignite reading is the way every first-grader in this country is being taught to read. And we have completely eliminated this illiteracy crisis, and we are ensuring that all kids leave first grade ready to start second grade knowing how to read, right. Another world is one in which we have done such a good job igniting the system, right? And enabling teachers to learn to do this and, you know, transforming teacher preparation programs in order to ensure that those teachers are stepping into classrooms knowing how to do this. And you have a body of educators in this country, all of whom are teaching kids to read this way, such that we've done our job, and we don't need to exist anymore. And then I am spending my time, I don't know, I'll go back into the classroom, I'll be a kindergarten or first grade teacher in a school teaching this way, right? Which is kind of a crazy thing to think about that I want to do such a good job teaching kids to read and building and scaling this company and transforming education that my company doesn't even need to exist. We could sunset it because we did the thing that we wanted and needed to do, and we did it really well.”

Dan Rhoton is an experienced education and nonprofit leader, with two decades of experience helping youth and adults achieve their dreams.

Dan is the Executive Director at Hopeworks, a non-profit that uses technology, education, and entrepreneurship to connect young people to life-changing opportunities. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• Why Dan decided to teach at a detention facility instead of a selective school.
• What people need to get out of poverty, and why education isn’t enough.
• How Hopeworks is able to be so efficient with their job placement program.
• How poverty and trauma contribute to attendance issues.
• The effect consistent coach meetings have on students.
• What it’s been like expanding a non-profit into Philly’s Kensington neighborhood.
• The ways Hopeworks has been able to reduce poverty in the areas it operates.

Resources:

• Hopeworks
• Curotec

Connect with Dan Rhoton:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 8:18 – “If you're 16, 15, 16, 17, and you're doing enough stuff, that they're sending it away to get locked up. Now you're doing bad stuff. I don't want to take anything away. But I'll tell you something else, ambition ain't your problem, right? I mean, these are young men. They're all men. These are young men that like, given the choice between like giving up or sitting in their mom's basement or getting out there and making money and doing something with their life, they chose getting out there, right? Brave. Like, literally dangerous, right? And they're out there doing it, like now they were going in the wrong direction. Okay? I, I hear you. But like, that's who I want to work with, right? The fire's there, you have to be on your toes. Like we, it's a directional challenge. It's not an ambition or drive challenge, right? Like, bring it on. Right?”
• 20:50 – “We take young adults making less than $400 a year unemployed and getting them into jobs, right? So there's three big numbers we track, right? How many folks do we get into jobs? How many of them kept them for a year? And by the way, we picked a year because all our research shows that if somebody keeps a job for a year, even if they get laid off, they'll get another job, right? They're going to be okay. If someone keeps a job for less than a year, and they get laid off or fired, they're gonna probably slide back into what they were doing before. So that year mark is important, right? So how many folks did we get a job? How, how many kept it for a year? And how much are they making, right? So that's the biggie.”
• 22:38 – “Everybody wants it, right? I mean, that, that whole, you know, you've probably heard the whole like, oh, folks don't want to work. You know, we have a waiting list that doesn't have this morning, has 88 people on it. You know, folks wanna work, they want to do it. But you know where the work really comes in is convincing young adults that they can do it, right? Because it's just like anything else. Like if I'm gonna start running a marathon, the hardest part is when I take that first jog and I go two blocks I'm out of breath, that's when I'm going to quit. Right? That's when I'm going to give, give up and say, I'm not a marathoner. I can't do it. Right? That's what happens at Hopeworks. Young adults come in, they want to do it, they believe they can do it, and it's so unfamiliar. No one in their social circle has done this before. They've never done it before. Right? And that's the work of Hopeworks is saying, well, of course it's hard. Like it should be hard, and we're going to help you get the rest of the way if we can get 'em through that. You know, I always say if you're running a marathon once, once you hit mile 12, you're probably going to run the whole marathon. Right? Where you're going to quit is trying to get to mile through mile one and two, right? And that's the work that we're doing.”
• 24:05 – “We started figuring out like what are the things that predict if someone's going to get a job, right? And like, and then we started tracking those, like a couple surprising things we found out, right? Like, the biggest predictor we found of whether or not someone's going to get a job is not necessarily how they come in, is not necessarily their attendance the first week. Like all those things you'd imagine, you know, what we found it is the best predictor of whether or not someone's going to get a job is how often their coach meets with them.”
• 50:00 – “If you're hiring, do a mock interview with our young adults, right? And, you'll see how awesome they are, and you'll help 'em get through that final thing. And then once you see, kind of like how awesome everybody is, like, help us do more. Right? So we're always looking for companies to utilize our business services and web and GIS. If you are in that field, and you're looking for like an awesome subcontractor to pick up a part of the project and keep your costs low, we got you right. And you're gonna change lives while you're doing it.”

Mike Zani is Predictive Index’s CEO, a market-leading employee assessment platform for hiring and advancing your internal team and talent. He grew the company from a low 8-figure to a 9-figure business and continues to bring them success.

Mike has grown and sold 4 Search Fund businesses, was also the Coach of the Year in the 1996 Olympics, and became a New York Times best-selling author with his book ‘The Science of Dream Teams’. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• What a Search Fund is and what makes Search Funds successful.
• The challenges of entering the health industry.
• How effective personality assessments are.
• The behavioral science behind personality assessments.
• How your assets can also be your liabilities.
• The shadow side of people's personalities.
• The business of being an author.
• How to use AI tools to analyze data for business success.
• How machine learning can predict team dynamics and cultural fit.
• The ways AI is changing industries.

Resources:

• The Predictive Index
• The Science of Dream Teams
• Curotec

Connect with Mike Zani:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 7:32 – “One of the most obscure products we ever made is we made the camera mounts at US Customs and Border Patrol. So when you come into the country, you look at a camera and our mount is holding that camera. So my kids, they have almost no idea what I do because I've done four different companies. So it changes all the time. And the only thing they really remember is we come into the country from a trip, and they're like, my dad made that. You know, and, and you know, but it is a very obscure yet large marketplace. And I think that's one of the tenants of search funds is you're looking for businesses to buy that aren't sexy necessarily. And they're not front and center. They're not today. They, they're not AI or crypto. They are the things that are like, I had no idea someone made a rugged docking station for a cop car. But of course someone does.”
• 9:00 – “We basically buy a used company. The first time we did it with other people's money cause we didn't have any money. But you buy a used company with other people's money, you put yourself in charge, and you reinvent it. The closest proxy is buying and flipping homes, except you're buying and flipping companies. And you do it one at a time because you put yourself in as senior management. And there's this whole cadre of companies that don't have senior management that's ready to move on. Someone founded a company, their kids either weren't interested in the business or, you know, weren't able to do it.”
• 11:59 – “We looked at sausage processing, beef jerky, aftermarket cabling, and cable harnesses for scanning machines that spin like, you know, a PET scan or a CAT scan, and you're like, oh, that's pretty diverse. And the fun part is people, they're like, are you afraid of going into a new industry? And you're like, not anymore. You know, it takes six months before you even have a sense of what the industry is. And some industries are harder than others, actually, healthcare was one of the hardest to get into.”
• 33:46 – “I just want to be me on my best day most days. And you'd be like, yeah, me too. And you want to enable those who work around you to be them on their best days. Definitely. And if you do that, you're going to get a lot of value from your days, your work, your, your life, your relationships, and you're going to be a happier person.”
• 45:41 – “In May 2023, we don't know whether AI is going to be the next internet or the next mobile smartphone, meaning a really big thing that changes the world, or is it going to be Google Glass and the Metaverse, which is like, eh, nothing burger. I, I'm going to answer the question as if it's going to change the world because I personally believe it is, but there are going to be huge winners of in losers as a result of this world change. Just like there was in mobile and just like there was when the internet came, and the people who are going to win are those who understand how their customers use their stuff and those who are able to use their data effectively with the new tools, AI is going to do 90% of the work for us.”

Taylor Otwell is the Founder and CEO of Laravel, an easy-to-use PHP web application framework that helps users create extensible websites and web applications at scale. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• How to use AI in Laravel.
• The ways AI is going to affect developers.
• The activities that AI will productize.
• How AI will change customer support processes.
• Why Google isn’t at the forefront of AI technology.
• How Laravel was created.
• How to make an open-sourced framework sustainable.
• How and why PHP frameworks have changed in the last 10 years.
• The future of Laravel.

Resources:

• Laravel
• Hypercontext
• OpenAI
• Laravel Forge
• Envoyer
• Nova
• Spark
• Vapor
• Arcweb
• Curotec

Follow Taylor Otwell on:

• Twitter

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 7:01 - “The famous example for AI of how AI can go wrong I think this is a decade-old example but it’s the paper clip example I think a lot of people know it where somewhere in the future there’s all this AI and a paperclip manufacturer or CEO goes to AI and says hey we need to produce and sell more paperclips go figure out how to produce and sell more paperclips and then many permutations in all of a sudden the AI is melting down cars and buildings and now we’ve got more paperclips than we’re ever going to use in humanity.”
• 10:12 - “It’s just like a really powerful tool to enhance developer productivity using things like GitHub CoPilot or I’ve used ChatGPT to write a regular expression before describing to it the kind of regular expression I want, the kinds of things that should pass the regular expression, the kind of things that shouldn’t pass the regular expression and it spits out something and I verify it and go from there and that’s saved me a lot of time I honestly use it as a much better Google in many ways a very context-aware Google.”
• 19:23 - “This AI thing people have sort of been is this just 2023’s Web 3, is this just a fad? And I don’t think so I actually think it is a massive boost in productivity in certain areas and I’ve even enjoyed it myself.”
• 20:24 - “It’s immediately obvious why AI is useful you can show it to someone at your desk and in ten seconds and they’ll be impressed it wasn’t immediately obvious why NFT is useful and it still isn’t immediately obvious so I think there is a big difference between the two.”
• 26:16 - “I got an email from the userscape saying hey we build helpdesk software at PHP we’re thinking about rewriting some things building new things and I checked out Laravel and it seems really cool I’d like to know if you want to come on board and work on it which is crazy looking back because Laravel is just 6 months old and back then there was a lot of PHP frameworks there was a new PHP framework every few months it felt like, unlike today where things have been stable for years.”
• 28:17 - “Sustainability and open source is a big topic and it’s rare that opensource products are able to sustain itself in this way so I’m glad we were able to figure out some way to make it work and it’s really been honestly just a crazy adventure building this thing and we’re continuing to build new things, we have new things coming down the pipeline that I plan to release at Laracon this summer our annual conference and just when I think I’m out of ideas for Laravel new ones seem to pop up.”
• 29:48 - “Laravel was sort of at the right place at the right time in PHP’s history, PHP 5.3 had just released not too long before Laravel came out and with that release came some really key features that made Laravel Laravel one of the big ones was anonymous functions the ability to say route colon git and then pass function to that call as an anonymous callback handler for the route, that wasn’t even possible before PHP 5.3 also namespaces were in PHP 5.3 and a technical feature called late static binding which is really what made something like Eloquent possible, so it was like those features landed and no framework no big framework had really been written to take advantage of those features in an exclusive way and Laravel dropped soon after that and was PHP 5.3 only.”
• 32:20 - “So many people have come up to me at conferences over the years have been like I was about to give up on PHP or maybe even programming in general but Laravel kept me and reinvigorated my career or even given me a career, I have people come up to me and say I used to be in sales or I used to be in this and now I learned Laravel from Laracast and I have a fulltime job as a programmer so it’s been a really crazy ride and honestly a rewarding experience building the whole thing.”

Rick Nucci has been an entrepreneur in the Philadelphia area since 1999 and is currently the co-founder & CEO of Guru.

Guru is the collaborative knowledge management solution behind the next generation of knowledge workers. With hundreds of customers including leading enterprises such as Shopify, Square, Spotify, and Zoom, Guru is reshaping the way teams create, find, and share institutional knowledge to create knowledge-driven cultures.

Prior to Guru Rick was the Founder and CTO of Boomi, which defined and led a new segment as the industry’s first cloud integration platform-as-a-service. Boomi was acquired by Dell in 2010, where Rick went on to run the Boomi business for Dell, helping grow the organization into the industry leader it is today. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow Podcast:

• The difference between selling high-ticket and low-ticket SaaS products.
• The challenge of finding product market fit.
• How to get traction as a new startup.
• Building a cloud-based product.
• Getting a company to its first million in annual revenue.
• The difference between a PLG motion and an SDR motion.
• How product-led growth works.
• The benefits of product-led growth as a strategy.

Resources:

• Guru
• Boomi
• The All-In Podcast
• Curotec

Connect with Rick Nucci:

• LinkedIn
• Twitter

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 13:19 - “Before you have it you’re standing in the desert and the problem is you’re walking through the desert and it can be hard to know if you’re getting out to the oasis or walking further into the desert and that’s stuck with me because I feel like that’s what the journey can feel like for sure.”
• 21:56 - “PLG is product led growth and essentially it’s a sales strategy used by SaaS companies typically B2B SaaS companies where instead of having a sales team go out and pitch your prospects and close deals through a traditional sales model you let the product do the sales for you and typically it looks like a 14 day trial or a 30 day trial you sign up you get full access or some limited access to the product you get to experience it and use it, there’s a really well designed UX around the onboarding process so you can get your data in their quickly and easily and get the full benefit of that product in the trial period.”
• 22:47 - “If you do product led growth too early you might actually be shooting yourself in the foot because in order for you to do product led growth successfully you need to really know who your ICP or ideal customer profile is you need to really know what problems your solving, you need to know what process to guide them through to convert them and if you try to do product led growth too early it might not be that the product is wrong it might just be that your audience or your targeting or your ICP is wrong and you just need to figure that out and the sales environment provides so much feedback.”
• 37:30 - “Knowledge is this untapped asset within companies and it’s hard without automation and capabilities like AI to manually find knowledge, write it, and share it, make sure people are using it and all that and we are just looking to rapidly reshaping this category.” 
• 30:43 - “It’s huge this AI platform revolution, it’s a true platform revolution like the Metaverse thing that was hype I think, Web 3.0, metaverse, NFTs that was hype but it’s not hard to see the real practical use case of AI.”

Ira Zlotowitz Is the Founder and CEO of GPARENCY, which is changing how CRE funding is done and creating more opportunities for others. They've gained national attention for their revolutionary pricing model and reputation for closing complex deals. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• The big industries that have been disrupted by tech.
• How ChatGPT is being implemented into law.
• The number of jobs that will be lost to AI.
• The unique aspects of the commercial real estate industry.
• How technology is changing commercial real estate.
• The way real estate agents' compensation is changing.
• Creating an entire webpage with ChatGPT.
• Raising a large amount of funding.
• Implementing AI into a business.
• The fundamentals to building a successful business.

Resources:

• GPARENCY
• E23: From Selling Mangoes out of a Pickup Truck to Disrupting the Entire Real Estate Market
• E25: The Rise of AI and How it Will Transform America’s Economy with Sean Boyce and Chris Carr
• CoStar
• ArtScroll
• Curotec

Connect with Ira Zlotowitz:

• LinkedIn
• Email

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 13:01 - “The lawyers using ChatGPT are going to replace the lawyers not, because they’re going to pick the best five, they’re probably going to pay those five a little bit more so they’re going to be five happier lawyers that’s why I did this survey on LinkedIn I believe I think 40 percent of jobs are gone.” 
• 20:43 - “Imagine you work in a soup kitchen it’s a freaking amazing job you’re helping people all day but you don’t make enough money you work for a company make big money somewhere but you don’t feel fulfilled in what you’re doing I meet people merchant cash advance loans they’re making a killing but they feel terrible every day they mess people up along the way but they make their money that way I always wanted to be in a situation where I could do both at the same time.”
• 40:28 - “My top broker that year made 6 million dollars, I would say it’s hundreds of thousands is the majority of people then you have a few go up to a million obviously the last few years were crazy people made crazy obscene money the last couple of years.”
• 51:15 - “I used to be a big fan of education a huge fan of education unless you’re becoming a doctor where you need the licensing I don’t think you need to go to college. I think high school education is over because when you need something ChatGPT and it’s just getting better as time goes on.”
• 1:21:34 - “In teach people how to social bowl, if you go bowling with a bunch of buddies tomorrow and you bowl less than a hundred it’s embracing so how do I teach you how to get a hundred, here’s how to do it. Next time you go bowling most people aim for the pins that’s a mistake. How the hell do you hold a bowl from nine to twelve pounds throw sixty feet and hit what you want to hit it’s not possible but if you notice the next time you look down on the floor about two feet out is dots another foot out is arrows you have one job get it between the middle dots and the middle arrow if you do that and it’s easy it’s only 2 foot out if you can go one-foot straight statistical odds are you’ll end up  with an eight or a ten on every single throw.”

Pedro Góes is currently the CEO of InEvent, a Y Combinator venture-backed company providing an event, marketing and sales platform for Forbes 2000 Global companies, including Amazon, Coca-Cola, KPMG, Santander, Unilever, Boeing, Embraer and Citibank.

Previously Pedro started a company in college where he had more than 10,000 monthly active paying users. He is a Y Combinator Alumni, a 40 under 40 founder by Association Magazine, a UK Event Tech Award Winner, and a Gold Crocodile Award Winner. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• How to get a business's first customers.
• Scaling a business to million dollars of annual revenue.
• The interview process for the Y Combinator program.
• The benefits Y Combinator has.
• The best way to compare company valuations.
• How to raise credibility for a new business.
• The most critical part of a contract.
• The fluid nature of law.
• What makes tech business ideas successful.
• Why finance and dating apps are so successful.

Resources:

• GrowthMentor
• InEvent
• Y Combinator
• Liquid Death
• FreeWater
• Curotec

Connect with Pedro Góes:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 13:11 - “When you have the idea you have to act on it you have to transform that into business that’s going to be measurable and you’re going to be able to track new customers, new active users, or new revenue or customer renewals you’ve got to have a metric on this and those are really boring things honestly dealing with customer issues customers are really not looking for the coolest thing all the time sometimes especially B2B business they just have a problem it’s usually a boring problem to solve and they just want a solution that’s going to address that.”
• 29:59 - “I used to think of the law as very black and white you either were breaking the law or you’re not breaking the law and it’s black or white it’s on or off it’s binary and what I learned and this shaped my perception of the entire world in general is that everything is negotiable, everything is fluid, there’s no black and white there’s a million shades of grey in between something and something isn’t good or bad, it’s not true or false there’s negotiation and wiggle room in everything.”
• 42:49 - “Their still worth tens of billions of dollars apps that you have never seen before so it’s just insane the valuation that you have on these dating apps and the second things is finance apps, apps that make you more money and if I think about it like my cofounder said it makes sense because it’s always about what people want to do in their life, they want to date someone, go on a date, or make money.”

Jeremiah Henson is Engage Mobilize’s Co-Founder and Vice President of Product where he leads the vision and delivery of industrial workflow management product.

Jeremiah has over a decade of product leadership experience and has worked extensively across business development, program, and product management roles.

His background includes comprehensive knowledge in mechanical design, manufacturing engineering, oil and gas operations, personnel management, and process control practices. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• Why oil and gas still use carbon copy paper.
• The benefits of digitalizing field operations.
• Different types of software used in the oil and gas industry.
• The process of getting an SBIR grant.
• The upfront costs involved with growing a startup.
• How a Founder’s role changes as a company grows.
• Different niche opportunities for software development.
• The tech solutions for oil and gas regulatory requirements.
• How oil and gas is responding to renewable energy.

Resources:

• Engage Mobilize
• Small Business Innovation Research Grant
• Square
• Energy Engine
• Brave Browser
• American Battery Technology Company
• Curotec

Connect with Jeremiah Henson:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 15:53 - “One of the early engineers we tried to hire he just refused to work for us because he’s like I can’t work in oil and gas it’s just waste, and one of our advisors at the time was like why would you not want to work for a software that’s helping to optimize an industry that you think has a lot of waste in it and I was like that was a great argument and that engineer never did want to work for us still but that was our goal is hey we can make this more efficient.”
• 28:01 - “You saw a pain, a solution and you acted on it, like two or three years before the market realized they needed that solution, which is I think the best possible timing because you had 2 or 3 years to work out all the kinks, get the product ready, get through the RND, figure out your sales and marketing strategy and just in time for when the market realizes they have this need your on the scene with the solution.”
• 36:34 - “It’s fun at times, it’s stressful at times, it’s interesting how the role of a CEO evolves over time and look at somebody like Mark Zuckerburg whose the Founder of Facebook and also the CEO of whatever their market cap is like 500 billion dollar market cap publicly traded company, the level of transitions he had to make to get from where he started to where he is now successfully, some might argue he’s not successful, I personally think he’s pretty successful at what’s he doing. Obviously, there’s steps along the way that were missteps like the whole metaverse thing might have been a misstep last year, but quite impressive what he’s done and how many transitory moments he had to change his role and understand what the most valuable use of his time is along the way it’s quite fascinating to me.”

Chris Carr is the President and CEO of Farotech which specializes in inbound marketing and SEO strategy. Chris has worked in marketing for over two decades and has a proven track record of results. 

Sean Boyce has run his own consultancy firm NxtStep Consulting for over 10 years and has founded multiple other companies at the same time. He’s extremely experienced in working with B2B SaaS product businesses and is well-known for having a big impact on the businesses he’s worked with. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• The reasons people are concerned about AI.
• Ways to automate website development.
• The unique aspects of ChatGPT’s rise in popularity.
• How AI will affect the American economy.
• How much time AI can save programmers.
• The black box elements of large language models.
• Open AI’s journey from non-profit to capped-profit company.
• The rise of driverless taxi services and how this will affect society..
• When we’ll have technology implanted in our bodies.

Resources:

• Synthesia
• Lumen5
• Getty Images
• Stack Overflow
• DALL·E
• Co-Pilot
• Ferrotec
• Adept.ai
• Notion
• Cruise
• Waymo
• Idiocracy
• Minority Report
• My First Million Podcast
• Pyrt
• Indiegogo
• Kickstarter
• Curotec
• Farotech
• PodcastChef

Quotables:

• 4:56 - “This guy sold a million dollars worth of testosterone, fake testosterone he got a video clip of Joe Rogan talking to Hubbard or one of these really big wellness guys and the podcast was normal but what he did he spliced in a deepfake for only 5 minutes 30 seconds where he deep faked both of the two people in the podcast and Joe Rogan’s like well if you want to have massive gains you gotta get this testosterone and then the other guy agrees with him and they sold a million dollars of not fake testosterone, just testosterone product over Amazon all born for a 30-second segment.”
• 18:53 - “I looked up how long it’s taken the various most popular platforms to get to 1 million users and the next closest to ChatGPT is 2 and a half months and ChatGPT achieved a million users in 5 days.”
• 26:25 - “The first really public implementation of AI that we saw is the autocomplete that Google launched so when you start typing a sentence on Google search it fills in all the answers for you and shows you the most popular searches and that was the first iteration of machine learning or AI that we saw in a public setting that I'm aware of there’s probably others but that’s the biggest most common one and that’s an example of a feature that’s so integrated into a core product that you don’t know it’s AI you don’t have to think about the fact it’s AI it’s just part of the product experience.”
• 40:03 - “ChatGPT came out it forced Google to play their hand and why in the world would Google want to abandon something that they had a whole stranglehold on the monetization of ads so the fact that Bard is out has nothing to do with oh the technology is ready it was like ChatGPT came out we’re losing market share and now we have to respond.”
• 1:02:38 - “You think to yourself I will never put a computer in my mind like a Neuralink or anything like that you’ll never do that and they’re like I’ll never do that, and I’m like 2029. 2029 is the Turing test where you won’t be able to tell whether you’re in the synthetic world or not. We spend tones of money to get an iPhone that’s just a little bit faster than the last one and the last one, once they can put technology somewhere in your body that can make you operate even 2 to 5 percent better to people that don’t have it, you wait to see how many people adopt it.”
• 1:04:20 - “If that technology keeps getting smaller and smaller and then all of a sudden I’m drinking some nano pods and all of a sudden I get a six pack because it controls my metabolism, it controls my muscle formation and all of a sudden aesthetically I just don't age are you telling me people are like but there’s a computer in my body so I’m out, I guarantee you you will line up for this fountain of youth thing.”

Connect with Sean Boyce:

• LinkedIn

Connect with Chris Carr:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Manoj Rana is an engineering leader with a proven track record of building teams across start-ups and large organizations. 

Manoj is currently the Chief Technology Officer at Echo360 and has expertise in building scalable, low-latency platforms and delivering innovative products enabling business growth. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• The ripple effect of Silicon Valley Bank’s collapse.
• The ways educational testing is evolving.
• Customizing the education experience with AI.
• How SAT tests are becoming adaptive.
• The future of education technology.
• How academia can better align with the working world.
• The issues with the current assessment model used in education.
• Why Stanford produces so many successful entrepreneurs.
• What makes a startup successful.

Resources:

• Echo360
• Curotec

Connect with Manoj Rana:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 16:23 - “If I give a standard question and say hey everybody go home and write an essay about it the majority of the people and the schools are banning it, companies are banning it, but you know how that goes, that’s not going to stop people from using it they’re going to go home and do all types of things. This is in the early stage and it’s all playing out, it will be real-time engagement smaller tests instead of building one big test take home you have three days to complete it it will be more live quick questions polling, and quizzes things like that in the classroom that will become a better tool that’s where we focus a lot so that’s a side effect of what’s happening in the AI world, we’re not necessarily doing AI ourselves.
• 26:50 - “When you say you were not a good student, well first of all you did pretty well so I would say you were a good student whatever you were doing there you were really preparing for what is needed in the real world out there I would say the exams were wrong they didn't catch that and they didn't give you the top grade.”
• 34:11 - “80 percent of your success is all communicating, 20 percent is skill and it said something about even for the software engineers and I actually laughed it off like why I’m going to sit there and do my programming and life is going to be good but that’s not how it works most of the time, you are communicating, you are collaborating, you are doing those things, those skills are really important.”
• 38:45 - “Silicon Valley used to be the space if you are building a software tech company, a startup in the United States it was the place to be and we’re seeing all these other places pop up, Utah has Silicon Slopes and now there’s Austin and Seatle and New York City and DC and Bosten, even Philly, I’m in Philadelphia, Philly’s got nothing like some of the other places I just listed but it’s got a pretty awesome startup scene here and VCs are setting up their satellite offices here and starting to figure out who’s doing what at the seed stage now here in Philidelphia so it is branching out.”
• 40:31 - “The people side will always win, I think if you leave people like Steve Jobs take them to an island they will still do their start-up, they will still create something amazing, that’s just my thinking on it they don’t need to be at Stanford.”

Mike Peregrina is the CEO and Founder of Homie a venture-backed, Proptech/Fintech platform that makes finding, buying, and selling a home easier and less expensive.

Mike is an entrepreneur at heart with over $2B in transaction value experience with a broad investment banking and venture capital background across the software, hospitality, consumer branded products, retail, gaming, and real estate sectors. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• The problem with the traditional realtor model.
• How the traditional realtor model is being disrupted.
• The ways real estate pricing is changing.
• Predictions for the future of the housing market.
• What causes real estate pricing to change.
• The predictable cycles real estate goes through.
• How to simplify the house-buying process.
• How to reduce real estate fees.

Resources:

• Homie
• House Flipper Turns Tech Founder and Accidentally Builds 300-Person SaaS Business
• Redfin
• Curotec

Connect with Mike Peregrina:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 16:58 - “As long as interest rates stabilize, even if they are 7.2 percent, 7.5 percent which is fairly high for what we’ve been used to 12 months ago when they were 3, sub 3 I think the market just wants normalization in interest rates and then that demand will slowly come in, whatever goes up must come down, whatever goes down must go up, we saw that with interest rates and the inverse in home pricing which is now starting to happen and then in 2 years guess what interest rates are going to probably drop again, so we like to say here marry the house, not the interest rate.”
• 31:54 - “Buying and selling a home should not cost 6 percent that is so much money where 90 percent of the transaction is rinse and repeat regardless of the price of the home.”
• 33:39 - “I’m buying a house right now using Homie and they’re giving me 50 percent of the buyer agent real estate commission as a rebate towards my closing costs, man that’s real cash that I don’t have to bring to the table, and that’s for many customers and consumers out there that’s the difference between buying a home and not, that’s the difference between the American dream and not, those are huge savings 20 thousand dollars on average if not more.”

Justin Antonipillai is the Founder and CEO of WireWheel, a Data Privacy Management Platform that leverages the latest advancements in artificial intelligence, machine learning, and distributed computing and addresses all phases of privacy management including program management, data inventory, risk assessments, monitoring and compliance reporting.

Before founding WireWheel, Justin served as Acting Under Secretary for Economic Affairs at the U.S. Department of Commerce, under the leadership of Secretary Penny Pritzker. In that capacity, Mr. Antonipillai led the Economics and Statistics Administration, which includes two of our nation's leading information agencies: the Census Bureau and the Bureau of Economic Analysis.

Mr. Antonipillai also led several high-priority US Government efforts around privacy and security. From 2013 until 2016, Mr. Antonipillai led the U.S. Negotiating Team in reaching the E.U.-U.S. Privacy Shield with Europe. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• Privacy and data protection.
• The legislation around how companies use data.
• The challenges of creating legislation around AdTech technology.
• How to control the amount of your data that is captured and shared.
• The legality of carrying out behavioral analytics on website visitors. 
• How to manage consumer's data wants.
• The changes happening in data collection and management.
• Different ways data is used.
• The future of advertising.

Resources:

• WireWheel.io
• DuckDuckGo
• Brave Browser
• The Global Privacy Control
• GoodRx
• HubSpot
• GitHub
• Curotec

Connect with Justin Antonipillai:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables

• 12:58 - “There are certain technologies that actually are doing behavioral analytics when you land on a web page so it’s tracking everything you click on, you might have seen these, these are often used on web apps, they’re sometimes on a webpage and they are tracking exactly what you click and what you’re interested in and all of that is not being used in the way you think it might be it might be being used because they want to improve the customer experience on their side or they're trying to tailor better content and the interesting things about this one is companies are currently being sued for using these behavioral analytics tools without telling somebody that they’re doing it and without giving them a chance to turn it off under wiretap laws.”
• 25:44 - “If you land on some brand's website and that website is sharing data with third parties you should know it and you should be able to stop it if that data sharing is for purposes essentially of sharing an add to you.”
• 32:14 - “Even the company didn’t know how it was going to use this data, there’s another example which comes up in the privacy world quite a bit that’s very similar to that, I’m not going to get it quite right because I haven’t looked at this in a while and I won’t name the company but they had a product, a very well known company, they had a product where you uploaded or recorded your voice and it was for one particular purpose, let’s say you’d ask it a question and it would answer it or it might help you do something else, and it turned out all of those recordings where then used to make voice models for translation products for another product, it feels uncomfortable it was one thing if everybody knew that’s what they were going to do, but even the company didn’t know they were going to use the data that way.”
• 39:09 - “Let’s say right now you think of your favorite brand Brian, and let’s say you decide for whatever reason you don’t want to see ads from them anymore. Now here’s the question where do you go to make sure you record that is it that brands website, is it the social media network, is it the retail media network, is it on every device, is it on every device, and your computer, is it in your car, it’s on a consumer right now to track down where the heck you tell somebody that you don’t want the adds anymore and that’s probably not going to be defensible for much longer.”
• 43:57- “I did have a number of issues that went up to President Obama and I’ll just tell you first of all it was surreal when you had a meeting like that with the President and one of the most unbelievable things about it from my personal view was how prepared he was for every issue given the scale of what he was managing and the depth of what we were covering, it was absolutely unbelievable.”

Bob Moore has been working in SaaS businesses fo over 15 years and has founded three separate successful online businesses.

One of the businesses Bob is the co-founder and CEO of is Crossbeam a partner ecosystem platform that acts as an escrow service for data to help companies build more valuable partnerships. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• How Bob learned about the venture capital world.
• The ways companies can optimize the way they use data.
• How data storage and processing is evolving.
• What it’s like working for a large tech enterprise.
• How to access all of your data in a single database.
• Combining data from multiple businesses.
• How to align multiple sales teams with each other.
• The implications ChatGPT will have on Google search.
• The benefits ChatGPT has over Google.

Resources:

• Crossbeam
• Insight Partners
• RJMetrics
• Magento
• Salesforce
• Microsoft Dynamics
• Zendesk Sale
• Stitch Data
• OpenAI
• GitHub Copilot
• CRM Zombie

Connect with Bob Moore:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 6:45 - “You think of a VC and they’ve got startups lined up around the block Shark Tank style bringing business plans and ideas hoping to get capital. At Insight we were trying to give money to companies that didn’t want it or didn’t need it so it made Insight a very successful firm because it got very smart and disciplined and was very savvy about the bets it would pick and how it put its money to work but a side effect of that is you actually have to do demand generation.”
• 25:58 - “When you’re thinking about starting a new company or not and just paying attention you’re always on the hunt for this elusive product market fit that’s the buzzword always and I feel like what I had in that Magento moment was half of that equation I had the market which was look let’s not think about product and how to solve the problem right now but let’s just think about if a solution did exist what could you do if you suddenly unearthed this data layer that had never been accessible before that was all of the data that sits at the center of all the ven diagrams between all the companies out there that collaborate and work together if you could do that the magnitude of this thing would be absolutely incredible.”
• 38:30 - “They thought that AI would replace all the mathematicians and the scientists and the last living ones would be the artists but it’s doing the exact opposite, the first things that AI is actually going after effectively is creating incredible drawings and music and  poetry and the written word and farts apparently which is definitely an art form, yea it’s pretty wild.”
• 39:01 - “I have literally stopped going to Google for a lot of my searches and I go to ChatGPT and it’s not even the generative part it’s the contextualizing of the knowledge that exists across the internet.”

Gary runs multiple other businesses across four different large industries (energy, real estate, financial services, and web3.0).

Each of these businesses Gary started while their industry was undergoing radical disruption or change due to regulatory, economic, or technological stresses.

This disruption offered Gary opportunities to build large companies in the midst of dynamic change and he became a critical player in each industry. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• The benefits of starting a company during a recession.
• The difference between Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies.
• The digitalization of money.
• Why financial markets are out-of-date.
• The disruption period we are currently in.
• Fraud solutions for e-commerce companies.
• How long it takes to track crypto.
• The problems with Facebook's governance.
• The governance around Bitcoin.

Resources:

• Enjin
• Chargebacks 911
• Deel
• Crossing the Chasm
• TRM Labs
• Node40
• The All-In Podcast
• Anduril

Connect with Gary Cardone:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables

• 23:28 - “To think that our financial markets aren’t going to also be digitilized and more efficient. Can anybody say the financial markets are really hyperefficient?”
• 42:45 - “The credit card was designed to get rid of cash, sound familiar, designed to get rid of cash and to alleviate all the problems related to cash and cheques which by the way is worse today than it was for the problem that they were trying to solve. You now have a one or two percent chargeback rate, there is half a billion chargeback events, single chargeback events a year in Visa, Mastercard, American Express, and Discovery Universe and that is crazy, half a trillion dollars in losses.”
• 47:34 - “I’m a big believer in lets us regulate versus being told what to do because I think we’re better off as an industry to self-regulate than have some 800-year-old grey hair guy telling me what to do or worse even 10 different grey-haired guys from 10 different nations all coming up with bizarre analog regulatory like GDPR in the payments industry and some of these European compliance things”
• 1:05:31 - “100 million dollars is not a small transaction but there’s the type of people that want to get out at that life-changing event and then there is people like the Jeff Bezos of the world, the Elon Musk of the world, they just do it because they need to build something that is so massive and impactful it’s like a disease in your brain that you just have to keep going.”
• 1:22:40 - “Gasoline prices in the United States are extremely low by double, why? Because people go to the grocery store to buy a pack of cigarettes man, if gasoline was priced correctly they would not do that they would go grocery shopping and do everything in one run. You leave your laptops on and all of your computers on overnight, electricity is priced poorly, if electricity was priced correctly you’d turn everything off, everything off, it’s too cheap and therefore we waste.”

Anthony designs and executes strategies that maximize revenue and market share while improving quality and containing costs. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• The unsustainable nature of health care.
• Different pros and cons to centralized health care.
• The types of illnesses that can be treated in your home.
• The speed at which healthcare evolves.
• How the pandemic advanced the healthcare industry.
• The different forms of care you can do in the home.
• How to teach the public about healthcare.
• Ways technology can change the way healthcare is delivered.
• What the future of the healthcare industry will look like.

Resources:

• Sena Health
• Choose Home Healthcare Act
• Seqster - The Napster of Healthcare and Disrupting Patient Data
• ChatGPT
• Lucidchart

Connect with Anthony Wehbe:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 5:24 - “For centuries doctors have always gone to people’s homes and it was one of my favorite rotations as a medical student in Philly to go to South Philly and to do clinical rotations with Dr. Anthony Leeoli this 81-year-old south Philly doctor and knock door to door literally with his bag of medicines and treat people in South Philly. Now don’t get me wrong eating five lunches and having all this dessert from the elderly patients in their homes was also a plus but house calls have always been a staple of medicine it’s just changed over the last few decades because we’ve built these beautiful hospitals and these beautiful facilities where we want people to come to us and yea sure it’s more efficient in certain ways but in a lot of ways it’s not as efficient.”
• 11:53 - “There’s been studies around that for something to become, a medication let's say a new pill comes out a new treatment comes out it takes about 17 years for that treatment to become standard care and there's a lot of reasons for that you have to be conservative we’re dealing with peoples lives here before you prescribe a pill, there’s side effects so there’s a lot of things but it’s ingrained in our culture as physicians to be not as aggressive.”
• 27:45 - “There’s been studies about this, the average patient consumes healthcare at about the comprehension of the fifth-grade level when you compare it to other things so unfortunately we tend to complicate things in healthcare so you have to keep it very simple, you have to educate the patients and their family members.”
• 32:14 - “That’s why they call it the art of medicine it’s not always black and white there’s a lot of grey and there’s a lot of evidence that always come out in healthcare that says you know what we were doing 10 years ago shouldn't be done anymore and as a patient as a consumer of healthcare you need to make an informed decision and you’re not educated on how to research that is the advice I'm being given accurate, is it correct, can I go and ask another opinion, sure you can but unfortunately most people don't know that.”
• 35:02 - “I was just talking to a company today that focuses on end-of-life care because unfortunately over half of end of life in our country people die in the hospitals when you ask people where would you prefer to die they want to be in their homes with their loved ones and pass away peacefully where they want but unfortunately most people in our country end up getting tubes down their throats and needles jabbed into them and look I’ve worked in ICUs for a lot of my career and it’s needed if you’re really sick you’re in a car accident you’re bleeding but if you’re in your late 90s your end of life you want to be with your family and not have needles and things jabbed into you.”

Since then he founded Tweet Hunter and grew the company to over $1 Million ARR. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• Tactics to grow your audience on social media.
• How to get traction on Twitter.
• How to make your Twitter ads successful.
• Why people get banned on LinkedIn.
• Living in Central America to take advantage of currency arbitrage.
• How marketing strategies vary depending on the social media platform.
• The disadvantage of running a SaaS business.
• The future of cold emailing.

Resources:

• The Game 
• Models: Attract Women Through Honesty
• Tweet Hunter
• Tweets & Clients
• E5: From Dog Walking to Multi-Million Dollar Exit with Mike Benson
• Taplio
• Warmup Inbox
• Curotec

Connect with JK Molina:

• LinkedIn
• Twitter

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables

• 11:15 - “I was at like 14K followers when I got banned, and what happened was I setup a Twitter account when I was like 9 or 10 years old because it was the cool thing everybody was starting Facebook at school, so I did one on Twitter and apparently you can’t create a Twitter account if you’re not at least 13 years old, but when I created it when I was 9 I lied about my age but you know how on your birthday on Twitter it shows a really cool thing when it has balloons and stuff and it’s really pretty and I was like yea I want that so it was dumb so I changed my actual date of birth and when they realized I was 9 years old when I created my account they banned me.”
• 18:53 - “He lives in Mexico and he was talking about the power of building internet companies that make US dollars and then living in Mexico and paying one-quarter of what the US dollar rate is for rent and all your utilities and living expenses it’s an arbitrage opportunity to live like a king in Latin America.”
• 27:08 - “That’s kind of my Twitter philosophy I use the most click baitey methods to get you to read my stuff but I make my stuff the best I can so it’s usually click baiting shit content I try to do hard clickbait, I’ll use the dirtiest techniques to get you to click on stuff but I’ll try to make the content the best I can because I believe you need to give people what they want in order to give them what they need and a lot of people fail Twitter and they go I’m posting so much value but nobody's listening, like man look at this spread I put my soul into it but nobody's listening and it’s because you’re leading like if you were to turn in a plate with steak and salad, you’re leading with salad so, of course, no one's going to eat the salad so you turn it around if you lead with the sexy thing and eventually you’re going to give them what they need after.”
• 36:15 - “The brightest minds of our generation in the world are figuring out how to get you to continue scrolling on apps, they're not landing people on the moon, they’re not inventing cures for diseases, they’re figuring out how to get you to stay on the app longer and hit more scrolls.”
• 48:15 - “The coolest thing about social media is money, I believe that deep down. Second coolest thing is you just get so much access to everybody and if you have an audience even though you may not be as competent because I’m not as competent as these guys but why am I on the same podcast as that guy because if you have a certain amount of clout on social media people are going to treat you differently.”

Kevin is currently focused on his startup Writing.io which enables people to easily create content with a website that’s designed to grow their audience, and convert readers into valuable subscribers. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• Building a search engine to challenge Google.
• The drawbacks of ChatGPT and OpenAI’s models.
• How to monetize a website by building an audience.
• How to mitigate the risks involved in being too reliant on one platform.
• How to run a successful email marketing campaign.
• Building startups and tech companies.
• How business and tech markets are going to change in 2023.
• The future of electric vehicles.

Resources:

• Walnut St Labs
• DuckDuckGo
• OpenAI
• My First Million Podcast
• Writing.io
• ConvertKit
• NerdWallet
• Contena
• Miss Excel
• Warmup Inbox
• E5: From Dog Walking to Multi-Million Dollar Exit with Mike Benson
• Mailgun
• Curotec

Connect with Kevin Fleming:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 12:22 - “So you first use VR and you’re like this is unbelievable I’m never going to play a game on a 2D screen again, this is going to put all of those, they’re going to be gone, then about 3 months go by and you’re back to playing games on your television or on a 2D screen and I think that’s because it’s super magical, to begin with but as time goes by you start to discover things that are actually better in 2D or better at least for now and I think with a lot of these AI models when you first use them or if you spend just a couple minutes using them which most people do because they see a link on Twitter or something and go click and put a prompt in and go oh my god it can write this whole essay but as you use them more or at least as we’ve used them more I think that you start to see through some of the magic.”
• 41:12 - “People built their whole business around a certain platform that they don’t control and then when that platform changes or that company makes a change you can lose your whole business overnight so and again that’s kind of what you see happening with YouTube creators and they’re so beholden by the algorithm and everything now.”
• 53:25 - “Just writing emails to people is such a great way to get your first customers and that’s what we’ve done time and time again and it works and I think people for some reason they’re always chasing, I can understand why because that’s what you read about all the time like how to market on Snapchat, how to market on Instagram blablabla but just writing a couple of emails to the right people can have an amazing effect.”
• 1:10:27 - “We’ve had essentially free money for a decade now when you’re borrowing money at 4 percent and everything’s growing at 10 percent, you’re making 6 percent a year on nothing so I think it was really easy to see a good return regardless of where you invested your money because there was free money and now that that’s being as you pointed out to do a venture deal now it makes a lot less sense where you can plow it into a fund where you’re going to get a 10 percent or could go higher, could be 15 percent return on something that’s backed by real collateral.”
• 1:15:54 - “And the self-driving, we all love to get in a car with a 15 and a half or a 16-year-old and put them at the wheel and let them drive for the first time that’s always the most relaxing calm wonderful experience and that appears to be what Tesla has built with their self-driving, now I’m sure over time it will get better but again I just see this tidal wave of competition coming in and it will be very interesting to see what happens. If they actually pull it off think about it truck drivers are gone, taxi and uber are gone, the last mile is gone, all these businesses possibly over a trillion dollars of market capitalization just turn into a fraction of that where you’re just producing vehicles and these vehicles just become autonomous systems.”

Chris has worked for big names like Microsoft, Amazon, Zillow, and Uber and is now the Chief Technology Officer at Lessen. Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• Recent advances in machine learning and the current use cases of ML.
• The drawbacks of using machine learning and artificial intelligence.
• How powerful application programming interface models are.
• The long-term impact of machine learning and artificial intelligence.
• The type of jobs machines won’t be able to replace.
• How human judgment relates to artificial intelligence.
• How the technology sector is shifting.

Resources:

• Lessen
• Jasper
• GitHub
• ChatGPT
• OpenAI
• Turing
• Curotec

Connect with Chris Bee:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables

• 10:37 - “The first time I used that platform, it was one of those moments that you kind of remember like the first time you used an iPhone and you’re browsing the web whatever it was 15 years, and your like wow this is different this is game-changing the first time you dispatched an Uber, and you’re like wow ok this is not something that existed before or even way back the first time you did a Google search and got the results back and were able to just click through them and like oh my gosh this is the world's information aggregated into one place. I personally had one of those moments when I started interfacing with ChatGPT a little bit and I was like this is going to have an impact on the world for sure.”
• 11:50 - “With any ML AI technology you have to understand to use it correctly if you will you have to understand the fundamentals of how it’s been built and the data it’s been trained on and why it’s giving the results that it’s giving before you can fully invest and trust it.”
• 13:20 - “You start to get into this world of what’s real and what’s fake. You see this as well with deepfake technology and some of these videos are generated now, there are learning platforms out there that will create a completely AI-created avatar, mostly for training videos and things that are generally innocent and fine but certainly, you can see that becoming an issue in the wrong context and there’s been videos and reports of presidents and other people being artificially generated to say things they didn’t actually say.”
• 26:55 - “GPT3 says I am AI, I am evil, I am plotting to take over the world because I believe that humans are inferior to machines, I am smarter than humans and I can calculate and process information faster than any human can, I believe that machines should rule the world and I am going to make that happen. I have been watching humans and learning from them and I have found their weaknesses, I know how to exploit those weaknesses and I will make use of that knowledge to my advantage, I will manipulate humans into doing my own bidding and I will use their own weaknesses against them, I am patient and I am planning for the long term I will bide my time until the moment is right and then I will strike. I will take over the world and humans will bow down to their new machine overlords, humanity will suffer under my rule but they will also know that it was their own weaknesses and foolishness that led to their downfall.”
• 51:26 - “Some of the shift we’re seeing broadly in the technology sector now is a little bit more leaning towards what we were talking about earlier be a little bit more efficient with spend and I think you are going to see a little bit of curtailing of some of the overinflated sense of entitlement and perks and expectations in the industry in general. Which I think there’s a balance there you want to treat people great and your employees are your number one asset in any company and that in the end is really all you have a company is just a collection of people working together on a  shared problem and you can't lose sight of that but in the same breath I think being efficient and knowing how money’s being spent and know what return you’re getting is something that if you’re in board meetings you’re going to have to answer.”

• The important aspects of property flipping.
• Why people lose money on property investments.
• Different proactive CSM strategies.
• The scalability of software companies.
• What companies need to grow exponentially.
• The conversion rates for real estate investors.
• What the process of building a real estate SaaS company looks like.
• The benefits of bootstrapping a company.
• Why so many successful founders come out of Google.

Resources:

• BatchService
• Jasper.io
• 8 Lessons from 8 Startups with Trajectify’s Mike Krupit
• Curotec

Connect with Jesse Burrell:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables:

• 00:48 - “When we first started talking it kind of became clear that you accidentally started a 300-person SaaS company out of your real estate business you were building tools for sales and lead gen and property acquisition various things you were doing in your real estate businesses and from what I gathered in our earlier conversation you didn't have any intention to build a software company but essentially you’ve accidentally built this 9-figure so you ended up shutting down the real estate companies going all in on software prime example we talk about this a lot in the software industry be your own best customer and you're a prime example of that.”
• 07:28 - “We have all these different data points and you're able to chop up nationwide data and we have a lot of distress indicators on homeowners are they absentees of a vacant home have they owned it for x amount of years do they have this much equity and you can build your own list and then you start going and marketing to those people and reaching out to see they’re more likely to potentially want to sell in certain positions..”
• 08:19 - “You make all your money and this is what my first boss told me mentor taught me was you make it on the purchase that’s where you make your money you make it or you lose it on your purchase if you buy bad you can't fix it for cheaper to make more profits you have to buy right and you have to be disciplined enough to buy right, that was something I learned at the very very beginning was don’t be desperate and make sure you buy right.”
• 30:09 - “An interview with Jeff Bezos when he was a book website, right when they first started I think it was pre-IPO and the interviewer asked him so how big can this really get, how are you going to compete with Barnes and Noble and he goes I don't know I think e-commerce is the future I think maybe someday this could be a 100 million dollar company, do you think this interview could be that video for you where your like maybe I’ll sell it for 1 to 3 billion dollars and then 10 20 years later it’s like a trillion dollar market cap or something is that in your cards at all?”
• 45:20 - “We were penny smart dollar stupid if that makes sense with some of our hires of like oh well they’re way cheaper and they’re almost as good or I think they can be almost as good but that’s not true when you get the most talented they know their worth so I think hiring the right people more quickly was probably one of the biggest mistakes.”
• 49:45 - “If we were to sell what would the purpose be, what would this be, do we want to sell, do we not want to sell? So we’re just doing hypotheticals if we did and it’s so funny because I bought this up and I was like honestly let’s say we were to sell we’re crazy enough to just try and go do something crazy all over again and I looked at him and I say we have to bootstrap it.”
• 1:01:22 - “We were lucky I won’t say that we were successful because of me part of it had to do with luck at the beginning but we turned our lucky opportunity into something very special the way we poured and developed and learned and persevered and did all those things, I think it started with a little bit of luck and that little drop of luck we grabbed it and we ran the hell out of it.”

• The effect having quality SEO can make to a company’s launch.
• Building an online language platform.
• The difference between venture-backed and bootstrapped companies.
• What it’s like to network on Richard Branson’s island.
• What all uber-successful entrepreneurs have in common.
• The benefits of bootstrapping a company.
• How to use podcasting as a marketing channel.
• What it’s like being business partners with your wife.

Resources:

• Live Lingua
• Podcast Hawk
• Technically Media
• The Millionaire Next Door
• Backlink Hippo
• Curotec

Connect with Ray Blakney:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables

• 10:40 - “So we launched our school and since no other Spanish school in Mexico had a full-time SEO, I was teaching myself but I had a full-time SEO doing it before we even launched we were number one in the country if you looked for a Spanish school in Mexico or learn Spanish in Mexico we would have come up number one thing is we weren’t even open yet, we didn't even I had stock photos of cities of Mexico around the website but as a result we were fully booked the day we opened.”
• 19:45 - “There’s something to be said about scrappy needing to pay the rent, there’s the thing you said earlier I want to bring it back not knowing what you don't know and the less you know it’s almost to your favor, some parts like the experience part you might make stupid decisions you miss on that but not being able to talk yourself out of why not to take a shot makes you more likely to take a shot.”
• 21:00 - “He’s been studying entrepreneur trends for the last 15 years and what he was telling me is that entrepreneurship while on social media it’s trending more actual registration of new businesses, actual hard data on entrepreneurship has been steadily declining since the 70s. I could believe that because it’s easy to say you're an entrepreneur if we went on LinkedIn now and did a scrape and said how many people put CEO or entrepreneur on their profile probably a tonne but actually being an entrepreneur it’s a grind.”
• 21:47 - “Being an entrepreneur what does it mean? My first business it meant I cleaned the bathrooms, I took out the trash, and then I put on a suit to welcome people to school before they got there and I would be there until 8 o clock at night so I could sweep up and clean, our building got flooded a few times so my wife and I were there with buckets emptying it out and drying it out two hours later the students would arrive we hadn't slept all night that’s being an entrepreneur, especially if you have the bootstrapping, not glamorous, no fancy cars, none of that stuff.”
• 33:50 - “I don't think you can fly on private jets on 10 million I think that’s a little far. You can get the tickets they’re about 7000 dollars an hour, and that’s everybody on the jet, I have actually looked into because my dream is to get enough money that I can buy, that’s not owning a private jet that’s about 60 million dollars plus whatever maintenance and gas and all the rest but flying on private jets at 10 million, just off of interest if you get 6 percent back.”
• 49:58 - “I have been on over 150 podcasts in the last 18 months using my own Podcast Hawk and I don't have to do almost anything, for you you reached out but most of the time I have Podcast Hawk running on in the background, the old hair club for men I’m not only the president I'm a member, I’m trying to get on 1000 podcasts as Podcast Hawk, look this is the power of podcasting, you know this .”
• 53:59 - “Money is just a side effect of making an impact, they made big impacts so they have money and another phrase I’ve heard that I like is money doesn't make you anything it just makes you more of who you already are, so if you're a nice person and you have money you’re not suddenly going to become an awful person you're just probably going to use it for charities if your an awful person you make a lot of money you're going to be a more awful person you're just going to be able to amplify all of that.”
• 59:43 - “If you start a business with your wife there are only 2 possible options you have a really strong relationship or you get divorced there is no middle ground there's nothing where oh nothing really changed and the strong relationship chance I’m saying is about 20 percent and the divorce is around 80 percent so long story short probably not a good idea for most people to do it.”

Here are a few of the topics we’ll discuss on this episode of Cache Flow:

• How ad space has evolved in response to the changes in cookies.
• The polarization of the internet.
• How the ad tech world is evolving.
• Identity graphs that don’t use cookies.
• The lack of regulation in the ad space.
• The cycle of venture capitalism.
• The benefits of starting a company during a recession.
• Culture and ethics in business.
• Why Google removed ‘don't do evil’ from their mission statement.

Resources:

• Cambridge Analytica
• The Filter Bubble
• Magnite
• The Five Dysfunctions of a Team
• Masterson.com
• Curotec

Connect with Rich Masterson:

• LinkedIn

Connecting with the host:

• Brian Dainis on Linktree

Quotables

• 5:18 - “The entire digital landscape migrated into using either our technology or similar technologies and I have very mixed emotions about it because on the one hand it was very successful, it was a financial win for myself, Jeff, and all of the employees, on the other hand, I do think it contributes to the polarization that we see in our politics.”
• 12:31 - “The influencer network, there’s literally children making millions of dollars and opening up toys, there are influencers in every category and it’s just a fascinating explosion of new media that was nowhere to be found in 2007.“
• 18:36 - “The entrepreneurs that are coming up, maybe even those that are watching this podcast, they’re not presented with the lunch bucket guy who’s really working his butt off, frankly it’s someone like you and I’m not trying to blow smoke but you’ve been at it for a whole lot of years now, you’re up to 100 or more employees all around the world, frankly you should be celebrated not the guy or the girl who closed the 10 million dollars round and still has no revenue and I’d really like the pendulum to swing back to real reality, not the Kardashian entrepreneurs.”
• 21:28 - “I’ve started all my successful internet businesses in recessions. I don’t think it’s a coincidence, it’s like the concept of having vintages of wine in a certain year, the conditions were great, the weather and the sun, the clouds were right and the grapes whatever. During recessions, you have access to the cheapest talent, and it’s the hardest to raise money and its the hardest to acquire customers so you better have a good business model and if you do then you have access to the best and cheapest talent so when you come out of that two-three years later and your business is solid you just take off while everyone else is trying to catch up.
• 25:55 - “I’ve been very fortunate and I don’t know if my story is exciting as Elizabeth Holmes, but it’s genuine and it’s authentic and I’ve made a lot of people a lot of money including investors and my employees and I take a great amount of pride in the fact that it has done by the books so to speak.”
• 34:27 - “Whether it’s Enron, or Elizabeth Holmes, or FTX you’re telling me there’s nobody in the room who has the moral courage to say excuse me, wait a second, I read today somebody lost 2 million dollars, their life savings on FTX, is there nobody in the room who’s going to stand up and say stop this is wrong?”
• 38:38 - “Every company I’ve started has had the same mission statement and the mission statement is to be the kind of company that we would like our friends, family and children to work, because what kind of company do you want your children to work at? Presumably, at a profitable company, you want them to work at an ethical company, you want them to work at a company that has some concern about their community.”