Or rather, try to find a woman who’s never been told that imposter syndrome is to blame for her feelings of inadequacy, her doubt in her abilities, her general questioning of The System. To examine this phenomenon and how it impacts women of color specifically—and question whether imposter syndrome is really the root of problem at all—host Bella Sangar sat down with two highly accomplished, Seattle-based women: Angela Dunleavy, the CEO of FareStart, and Trish Millines Dziko, co-founder and executive director of the Technology Access Foundation.

And though she’s widely known now for her advocacy and storytelling, Li is also a mother—you’ll see her adorable toddler show up intermittently if you follow her on Instagram. When Bella’s Table host Bella Sangar sat down to talk motherhood—the good, the bad, the ugly—with a fellow parent, Li was a natural choice.

It seemed only fitting that their conversation is punctuated by the background squeals of Li’s son, as her family was snowed in during a storm, with outside childcare not an option. Moms, they get shit done, right?