Behind the Seal

Why It’s So Hard for Leaders to Say “I Need Care”

ECFA — Thu, 02 Apr 2026 05:00:00 -0400

Why is it so hard for leaders to admit they need care?

In this bonus episode of Behind the Seal, Mindy Caliguire returns to explore the internal resistance so many leaders face when it comes to their own health. Joined by ECFA President Michael Martin, this conversation moves beyond theory and into the real-life tension leaders experience every day.

From the hidden cost of constant output to the surprising discomfort of rest, Mindy and Michael unpack why leaders often avoid what they need most, and what happens when they finally choose to face it.

You’ll also hear:

Why self-awareness is the first and hardest step
What leaders discover when they stop “powering through”
The unexpected reality of sabbatical (it’s not always what you think)
Why it’s never too late for God to meet you — even in burnout

If you’ve ever felt stretched, exhausted, or unsure how to slow down, this conversation will meet you right where you are.

About Mindy Caliguire:

Mindy Caliguire is the founder of Soul Care, a ministry dedicated to helping leaders cultivate a healthy soul. With decades of experience in spiritual formation and leadership development, Mindy has guided countless leaders through seasons of burnout, renewal, and long-term sustainability.

Her work equips individuals and organizations to integrate rhythms of rest, reflection, and relational support into everyday leadership so they can flourish for the long haul.

Key Takeaways:

Leaders often struggle to admit they need care, even when the signs are clear.
Self-awareness is the starting point. You can’t address what you won’t acknowledge.
Leaders have countless ways to avoid their struggles. Busyness often masks deeper needs.
“Powering through” comes at a cost. Eventually, the system runs dry.
Sabbatical isn’t about breakthroughs — it’s about rest and letting the ground lie fallow.
The most meaningful transformation often happens in ordinary moments with God.
Leader care fuels mission effectiveness. It’s not separate from impact, it sustains it.
It’s never too late to begin. Even crisis moments can become turning points.

Additional Resources:

ECFA Leader Care Resources
Soul Care by Mindy Caliguire
Spiritual direction & coaching resources

Call to Action:

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Reflect honestly: Where am I avoiding the care I need?

Learning to Trust Again | Lysa TerKeurst

ECFA — Thu, 04 Dec 2025 05:00:00 -0500

Too many leaders assume trust should be unconditional — but Scripture tells a different story.

In this season finale of Behind the Seal, bestselling author and Proverbs 31 Ministries president Lysa TerKeurst reveals why unconditional trust is not only unbiblical, but unsafe — and how to rebuild trust with wisdom, boundaries, and Spirit-led discernment.

Lysa unpacks the difference between blind trust and wise trust, why forgiveness is ultimately about your freedom, and how to discern between a triggered fear and a legitimate red flag. She also shares from her own journey through heartbreak, healing, and surrender — and what it truly looks like to walk forward without becoming hardened, bitter, or closed off.

If you’ve ever been hurt, betrayed, or left wondering if trust is even possible again — in ministry, leadership, or life — this episode will meet you right where you are.

About Lysa TerKeurst

Lysa TerKeurst is president and chief visionary officer of Proverbs 31 Ministries and the author of eight New York Times bestsellers, including I Want to Trust You, but I Don’t, Good Boundaries and Goodbyes, Forgiving What You Can’t Forget, and It’s Not Supposed to Be This Way. She enjoys life with her husband Chaz and her kids and grandkids. Connect with her at www.LysaTerKeurst.com
or on social media @LysaTerKeurst.

Additional Resources

· I Want to Trust You, but I Don’t – Lysa TerKeurst

· Forgiving What You Can’t Forget – Lysa TerKeurst

· Good Boundaries and Goodbyes – Lysa TerKeurst

· Therapy & Theology Podcast with Lysa TerKeurst, Dr. Joel Muddamalle & Jim Cress

· American Association of Christian Counselors (AACC) – for counseling referrals

· ECFA.org/LeaderCare – Resources for healthy, trustworthy leadership

· Proverbs 31 Ministries

If this conversation encouraged you, share it with someone navigating hurt, healing, or rebuilding trust.

💬 Comment below: What part of Lysa’s wisdom on trust or forgiveness resonated with you most?

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Seen? Heard? Understood? | Bill & Kristi Gaultiere

ECFA — Thu, 20 Nov 2025 05:00:00 -0500

Most leaders push past their own emotions without ever slowing down long enough to ask, “What’s happening in my soul?” In this episode of Behind the Seal, Bill & Kristi Gaultiere—founders of Soul Shepherding and authors of Deeply Loved—share how empathy isn’t weakness; it’s oxygen for the soul.

In a conversation packed with insight and vulnerability, they unpack why emotions matter to God, how Jesus models empathy, and why healthy leaders must learn to receive empathy—not just give it. From spiritual formation to burnout prevention and the “4 A’s of Empathy,” this episode gives leaders permission to breathe again.

If you’ve ever felt pressure to be strong, keep moving, or “power through,” this conversation will meet you right where you are—and remind you that you are deeply loved by God.

About Bill & Kristi Gaultiere

Bill & Kristi Gaultiere are the co-founders of Soul Shepherding, a ministry dedicated to helping pastors, missionaries, and Christian leaders thrive in emotional and spiritual health. Together they lead the Soul Shepherding Institute, train spiritual directors and coaches, and host the Soul Talks podcast.

Bill is a psychologist and spiritual director; Kristi is a psychotherapist, spiritual director, and executive leader with a passion for emotional intelligence in Christian leadership. Their newest book, Deeply Loved, guides readers into experiencing Jesus’ empathy through Scripture, prayer, and community.

Their ministry has helped thousands of leaders learn to rest in Jesus’ easy yoke, receive God’s grace in deeper ways, and lead from a whole, healthy soul.

Additional Resources

· ECFA.org/LeaderCare

· Learn more about Soul Shepherding

· Deeply Loved by Bill & Kristi Gaultiere

· Soul Talks Podcast

· Soul Shepherding Institute Retreats

· Find a Soul Shepherding spiritual director or coach

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💬 Comment below: Which of the 4 A’s of Empathy do you most want to grow in?

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Timestamps

00:00 – Intro
01:21 – Michael welcomes Bill & Kristi
05:57 – Leaders’ inner life: why “under the hood” matters
08:22 – Kristi’s story: emotions, shame, and the healing power of empathy
12:00 – Why some Christians misunderstand empathy
15:00 – How emotions and thinking are meant to integrate
18:13 – Unconscious resistance: why leaders block empathy without realizing it
21:00 – Bill’s story: learning to feel after a lifetime of stuffing emotions
27:10 – Receiving empathy vs. rushing to solutions
32:09 – The 4 A’s of Empathy (Ask, Attune, Acknowledge, Affirm)
38:04 – Empathy prayer and connecting with Jesus’ emotions
45:19 – Empathy as oxygen for the soul
47:17 – Boundaries, burnout, and stewarding empathy
50:49 – We all need a safe place to process emotions

52:48 – Empathy + Truth + Responsibility = Growth
56:17 – Empathy Fatigue: How to set healthy boundaries with empathy

1:00:04 – A word of encouragement for weary leaders
1:04:35 – Outro

Cross-Gen Leadership | David Robbins

ECFA — Thu, 06 Nov 2025 05:00:00 -0500

How do you lead when five generations share the same mission—but not always the same mindset?

In this timely episode of Behind the Seal, David Robbins, Global President of Cru, joins host Michael Martin to explore the challenges and opportunities of Cross-Generational Leadership.

From Gen Z’s boldness to Boomers’ steadfastness, David shares how understanding, repentance, and relational trust can transform generational tension into unity. Drawing from his global leadership experience and years leading FamilyLife, David offers real-life lessons on building trust, cultivating humility, and leading at the Lord’s pace.

If you’re navigating a multi-generational team, board, or ministry, this episode will help you build bridges that strengthen your mission—and your people.

About David Robbins:

David Robbins serves as the Global President of Cru, a worldwide Christian ministry helping to fulfill the Great Commission through evangelism, discipleship, and leadership development.

Over the past 25 years with Cru, David and his wife, Meg, have served in a variety of ministry contexts—from discipling college students and young professionals in New York City to leading FamilyLife, a global ministry focused on strengthening marriages and families.

David and Meg live in Orlando, Florida, with their four children. Their family embodies his leadership message: serving together, learning together, and following Jesus faithfully across generations.

Additional Resources:

ECFA.org/LeaderCare
Learn more about Cru
Learn more about FamilyLife
The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Peter Scazzero

Lost in Transition | Steve Woodworth

ECFA — Thu, 16 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Leadership transitions can either strengthen a ministry or splinter it.. The difference often comes down to one word: humility. Nearly half of all successions fail, leaving organizations fractured, donors unsettled, and missions at risk.

In this episode of Behind the Seal, Michael Martin sits down with Steve Woodworth, CEO of Masterworks and author of Lost in Transition, to unpack why succession isn’t just about replacing a leader — it’s about safeguarding the future of an organization.

From “gone too soon, stayed too long” dynamics to the five key truths of leadership transition, Steve shares hard-won wisdom and practical strategies for navigating change without chaos. You’ll learn:

Why every leader is an interim leader
When to start the succession conversation
How boards can prepare for healthy leadership handoffs
What “no-drama succession” looks like in practice
How humility, not ego, makes or breaks the process

If you’ve ever asked “How do I leave well?” or “How do we choose the right next leader?”—this conversation is essential listening.

📖 Learn more in Steve’s book Lost in Transition

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About Steve Woodworth:

With over forty years devoted to advancing Christian organizations, Steve Woodworth brings a wealth of expertise in marketing, management, and organizational development. He steered World Vision’s direct marketing and donor services through a decade of annual double-digit growth in the 1980s and 1990s. Since joining Masterworks in 1992, Steve has been instrumental in establishing it as the premier marketing agency dedicated to aiding hundreds of Christian organizations in achieving their mission. Steve also gives back as a volunteer on boards, as a convener of industry leaders and continues to lead the Communications Working Group for The Lausanne Movement.

Additional Resources:

ECFA.org/LeaderCare

Lost in Transition

Masterworks Agency

The High Cost of Ignoring Leader Care | Doug Sauder

ECFA — Thu, 02 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0400

What happens when churches prioritize productivity over people?

Doug Sauder, Senior Pastor of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale, has lived through the fallout of leader neglect—and the transformation that comes when soul care becomes a core value.

In this powerful conversation, Doug shares his journey from a culture of overwork and burnout to one of rest, accountability, and sustainability. He opens up about:

· Surviving the ripple effects of a senior leader’s moral failure

· Resisting the “Messiah complex” of nonstop ministry

· How Calvary Chapel restructured to prioritize Sabbath, family, and health

· Why sabbaticals are a game-changer for leaders—and how his own shaped his identity beyond achievement

· What it takes for boards and staff to cultivate healthy rhythms of work and rest

This is a hopeful, honest episode packed with wisdom for pastors, nonprofit leaders, and boards who want to protect their leaders, steward their people, and create ministries that flourish for the long haul.

About Doug Sauder:

Doug Sauder is the Senior Pastor of Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale, one of the largest churches in the U.S. He is known for his heart for families, his leadership in crisis, and his commitment to building a culture of health and soul care among leaders. Doug and his wife, Suzanne, have three sons and have served as foster parents to more than 50 children.

Additional Resources:

· ECFA.org/LeaderCare

· Learn more about Calvary Chapel Fort Lauderdale

· PastorServe – Coaching & Soul Care for Leaders

· The Emotionally Healthy Leader by Peter Scazzero

The Body We Lead From | Jedd Medefind

ECFA — Thu, 18 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0400

What if the biggest threat to your leadership isn’t burnout, bad strategy, or lack of vision — but neglecting your own body?

In this episode, Jedd Medefind, President of the Christian Alliance for Orphans (CAFO), opens up a conversation many leaders avoid: the role of physical health in shaping how we lead. From sleep and diet to movement and screen time, Jedd shares how small choices in our daily lives fuel resilience, creativity, and longevity in leadership.

This isn’t about prescriptions or checklists—it’s about learning to lead from a place of wholeness. Whether you’re a pastor, CEO, or ministry leader, this conversation will challenge how you think about leadership health and give you practical ways to build strength for the long haul.

In This Episode:

Why leaders often ignore physical health
How sleep, diet, and movement impact leadership
The hidden cost of our relationship with screens
What thriving leadership looks like over the long term
How boards and organizations can better support leader well-being

About Jedd Medefind:

Jedd Medefind serves as President of the Christian Alliance for Orphans (CAFO), which unites 300 respected organizations in joint initiatives to better the lives of vulnerable children and families. Previously, Jedd led the White House Office of Faith-Based and Community Initiatives under President George W. Bush. He also held a range of posts in the California State Legislature. Jedd has worked, studied, and served in more than thirty countries, from Christian Life Bangladesh to Price-Waterhouse in Moscow. He’s authored four books and many articles, and speaks frequently on issues related to effective leadership, child development and health, technology, and more – from large events to media outlets ranging from the Wall Street Journal and NPR to Christianity Today. Jedd and his wife Rachel live in Falls Church, VA with their five children. He loves time with his family and friends, especially flyfishing, backpacking, or anything else in the great outdoors.

Additional Resources:

ECFA.org/LeaderCare

CAFO

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Untrustworthy | Bonnie Kristian

ECFA — Thu, 04 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0400

What happens when truth itself feels up for grabs?

In this episode of Behind the Seal, host Michael Martin sits down with journalist and author Bonnie Kristian to unpack what she calls our epistemic crisis — a breakdown in how we discern truth in an age of misinformation, conspiracy, and cancel culture.

Together, they explore how fake news and social media shape our faith and politics, why Christians are especially vulnerable to conspiracism, and what it takes to reclaim a thoughtful, redemptive discourse culture. From the dangers of mob mentality to the hope of cultivating habits of discernment, Bonnie’s insights offer a path toward restoration, clarity, and Christ-centered truth in a noisy world.

Learn more about Bonnie’s book Untrustworthy and discover how to live faithfully, think clearly, and love well in the age of information overload.

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About Bonnie Kristian:

Bonnie Kristian is the editorial director of ideas and books at Christianity Today. She is a fellow at Defense Priorities and author of Untrustworthy: The Knowledge Crisis Breaking Our Brains, Polluting Our Politics, and Corrupting Christian Community and A Flexible Faith: Rethinking What It Means to Follow Jesus Today.

Additional Resources:

ECFA.org/LeaderCare

Bonnie’s Substack

How Leaders Lose Their Way | Peter Greer

ECFA — Thu, 21 Aug 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Finishing well is the exception—not the rule.
Far too many leaders start with conviction but end with compromise. It rarely happens overnight. Most drift quietly—through small compromises, unchecked ambition, and a subtle shift from purpose to performance.

In this powerful episode of Behind the Seal, Peter Greer (President & CEO of Hope International) joins us to unpack why leaders lose their way—and how to stay mission-true in the face of pressure, success, and fatigue.

From the story of Solomon to the shadow side of ministry impact, Peter offers hard-earned wisdom and practical safeguards for pastors, nonprofit leaders, and Christian CEOs who want to lead with integrity and finish faithfully.

About Peter Greer:

Peter Greer is president and CEO of HOPE International, a global Christ-centered organization working to alleviate physical and spiritual poverty in more than 27 countries around the world. Peter’s favorite part of his role is spending time with the remarkable entrepreneurs HOPE serves. A graduate of Harvard’s Kennedy School, Peter has co-authored 15 books, including Lead with Prayer, Mission Drift, and Rooting for Rivals. He lives with his wife, Laurel, and their four children in Lancaster, PA.

Additional Resources:

ECFA.org/LeaderCare

How Leaders Lose Their Way

Lead With Prayer

Learn more about Peter Greer

Learn more about Hope International

Spiritual Integration Resource

15:5 Weekly Check-in

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Leading Without Loneliness | Walter Kim

ECFA — Thu, 07 Aug 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Is your leadership costing you connection?

In this honest and thought-provoking conversation, Walter Kim, President of the National Association of Evangelicals, joins ECFA President Michael Martin to explore the emotional and relational challenges leaders face behind the scenes. From the illusion of transparency to the power of biblical vulnerability, this episode uncovers what it really takes to build meaningful friendships in ministry—and why you can’t lead well without them.

Whether you're a pastor, nonprofit leader, or executive, you'll find practical insight and deep encouragement to help you lead from a place of connection, not isolation.

About Walter Kim:

Walter Kim is President of the National Association of Evangelicals. He earned his PhD at Harvard, was a chaplain at Yale, and has served in diverse pastoral ministries. He is on the board of World Relief, Christianity Today, and The Salvation Army, USA. He is often sought out for his theological and cultural commentary on issues facing the church and society.

Additional Resources:

ECFA.org/LeaderCare
WalterKim.org

National Association of Evangelicals
NAE Podcasts

Call to Action:

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The Guardrail Gap | David Ashcraft

ECFA — Thu, 17 Jul 2025 05:00:00 -0400

What happens when no one’s asking the hard questions?
ECFA President Michael Martin talks with David Ashcraft, CEO of the Global Leadership Network, about the urgent need for accountability, care, and clear guardrails in leadership.

From the isolation many pastors and nonprofit leaders face to how transparency can rebuild trust, this episode offers practical insights and a call to action for leaders, boards, and teams alike.

Discover why vague expectations create hidden risks—and how intentional conversations and well-defined boundaries can protect leaders and strengthen organizations.

If you care about healthy leadership and culture, this episode is a must-listen.

Before the Boiling Point | Dr. Jeramy Clark & Jerusha Clark

ECFA — Thu, 03 Jul 2025 05:00:00 -0400

What if your pastor is one conversation away from burnout—and no one knows it?

In ministry, the warning signs don’t always look like collapse. Sometimes, they look like silence, fatigue, or a slow drift from intimacy with God.

In this episode, we sit down with Dr. Jeramy and Jerusha Clark of Standing Stone Ministry to talk about the emotional and spiritual toll leadership can take—and what it looks like to care for pastors before crisis hits.

With decades of experience in leader care, the Clarks share powerful insights on:

✔️ The early signs of ministry implosion
✔️ How leadership stress impacts marriages and families
✔️ Why many pastors don’t know how to care for themselves
✔️ The role of boards in fostering a culture of care
✔️ How trusted friendships—not resources—make the difference

Whether you're a pastor, spouse, board member, or just someone who loves your church—this is a conversation every church needs to hear.

About Jeramy & Jerusha Clark:

Dr. Jeramy Clark received his Masters of Divinity and Doctorate of Ministry from Talbot Theological Seminary. After pastoring for nearly thirty years, Jeramy became the President of Standing Stone Ministry, an organization that offers soul care for pastors and other ministry leaders. Jeramy savors coffee of all varieties, plays the drums, and enjoys golf.

Jerusha Clark is the author, co-author, or collaborative writer of twenty books. She co-authored five books with Jeramy, including three bestsellers, prior to launching her own writing and speaking ministry, focused on helping others glorify and enjoy God, one thought at a time. On quiet days, you can find Jerusha at the beach, her absolute favorite place.

Jeramy and Jerusha have two adult daughters and love ministering together as shepherds to pastors and ministry leaders through Standing Stone Ministry.

Additional Resources:

ECFA.org/LeaderCare

Standing Stone Ministry

God Meetings Course

The Leader's Edge | Gabe Lyons

ECFA — Thu, 19 Jun 2025 05:00:00 -0400

What if the key to leading others well starts with healing your own heart?

In this powerful conversation, Gabe Lyons—author, speaker, and founder of THINQ Media—joins us to talk about leadership, marriage, emotional health, and why being grounded in your identity as a child of God is more important than your title or metrics. From cultivating honest spaces for leaders to wrestle with hard questions, to sharing the deeply personal story behind his new book The Fight For Us (co-written with his wife, Rebekah), Gabe offers wisdom and practical insight for leaders who want to stay healthy and last for the long haul.

Whether you’re navigating burnout, wondering how to measure success, or simply craving honest leadership conversations, this episode offers hope, clarity, and practical next steps.

Subscribe for more conversations on leadership, trust, and building healthy teams.

About Gabe Lyons:

Gabe Lyons is a bestselling author, sought-after speaker, and the founder of THINQ, a groundbreaking media company dedicated to exploring the intersection of faith, culture, and the next generation. Through his work, Gabe equips thought leaders to create conversations that lead to greater wisdom and societal transformation.

He hosts the UnderCurrent podcast and co-hosts the Rhythms for Life podcast with his wife, Rebekah. Gabe has written several influential books, including Good Faith (2016), The Next Christians (2010), and unChristian (2007). He is also the creator of the global Q Commons event series, a platform that fosters meaningful dialogue on faith and cultural issues, impacting millions.

Gabe and Rebekah, a bestselling author and national speaker, released their first book together The Fight For Us: Overcoming What Divides to Build a Marriage that Thrives. Together, they have four children and live in Franklin, Tennessee.

Additional Resources:

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The Trust Factor | Dr. Henry Cloud

ECFA — Thu, 05 Jun 2025 05:00:00 -0400

What does it take to build—and rebuild—trust in leadership? In this powerful episode, Dr. Henry Cloud, bestselling author of books like Boundaries and Trust, reveals why trust is the foundation of every healthy relationship, team, and organization—and what leaders can do when it’s been broken. From identifying the key elements of trust to recognizing barriers like defensiveness, fear, and narcissism, Dr. Cloud offers practical insights for leaders in any setting.

Whether you're leading a church, ministry, nonprofit, or business, this conversation will challenge and equip you to lead with greater self-awareness, emotional health, and relational integrity.

Subscribe for more conversations on leadership, trust, and building healthy teams.

About Dr. Cloud:

Dr. Henry Cloud is an acclaimed leadership expert, clinical psychologist, and New York Times best-selling author. His 46 books, including the iconic Boundaries, have sold over 20 million copies worldwide. He has an extensive executive coaching background and experience as a leadership consultant, devoting the majority of his time to working with CEOs, leadership teams, and executives to improve performance, leadership skills, and culture.

Dr. Cloud lives in Los Angeles with his wife, Tori, and their two daughters, Olivia and Lucy.

Additional Resources:

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Restless Devices | Felicia Wu Song

ECFA — Thu, 15 May 2025 05:00:00 -0400

As leaders in a digitally driven world, how do we balance productivity with presence?
How do we create space for silence, reflection, and meaningful connection in an always-on world?
What role do faith communities play in shaping healthier digital habits?

Felicia Wu Song, cultural sociologist and author of Restless Devices, joins host Michael Martin to explore these pressing questions.

Felicia unpacks the profound ways digital culture influences our identity, attention, and spiritual formation. From the transactional nature of online interactions to the hunger for real communion, she challenges us to rethink our engagement with technology.

Join us for a thought-provoking conversation on cultivating "counterliturgies" to our daily tech practices and reclaiming the beauty of presence in a hyperconnected age.

About Felicia:

Felicia Wu Song (PhD, University of Virginia) is a sociologist and author of Restless Devices: Recovering Personhood, Presence and Place in the Digital Age and Virtual Communities: Bowling Alone, Online Together.

With almost twenty years’ experience as a professor at Louisiana State University and Westmont College, she combines her training in history, communication studies, and sociology with a personal interest in theology to speak and teach on matters of spiritual formation and well-being in a digitally-saturated society. Living in the Pacific Northwest, she enjoys a good food truck with her husband and two teenaged children.

Additional Resources:

ECFA.org/LeaderCare

Restless Devices – Felicia Wu Song

feliciawusong.com

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Burnout to Breakthrough | Mindy Caliguire, Soul Care

ECFA — Thu, 01 May 2025 05:00:00 -0400

Leadership doesn’t have to come at the cost of your soul. In this compelling episode, ECFA President Michael Martin sits down with Mindy Caliguire, founder of Soul Care and author of Ignite Your Soul, for a candid conversation on the growing crisis of burnout—and what we can do about it.

Together, they unpack ECFA’s new Standard for Leader Care, explore the warning signs of soul neglect, and share practical rhythms for spiritual and emotional health. Michael opens up about his own journey toward deeper soul care and what it’s meant for his leadership. Mindy offers wisdom, hope, and encouragement for leaders navigating fear, exhaustion, or isolation.

The conversation doesn’t stop at personal growth—this episode also offers a clear challenge to boards and leadership teams: Leader care is not optional—it’s essential. Learn how boards can create a culture of safety, support, and sustainability before a crisis ever hits.

Whether you're leading a ministry, church, or organization, this episode is a must-listen for anyone who wants to lead with integrity, longevity, and a soul that’s fully alive.

About Mindy:

Mindy Caliguire is the co-founder and president of Soul Care, which exists to help leaders personally flourish and achieve missional impact. Mindy serves as an Ambassador for the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability (ECFA), and in the past has served in executive leadership at Gloo and the Willow Creek Association (now GLN). Soul Care serves ministries and organizations across the US and beyond including C-12, Compassion International, The Navigators, Christ Church of the Valley, Dallas Theological Seminary, Plum Creek Church, and many more. Mindy’s most recent book is Ignite Your Soul: When Exhaustion, Isolation, and Burnout Light a Path to Flourishing.

Additional Resources:

ECFA.org/LeaderCare
soulcare.com
Ignite Your Soul – Mindy Caliguire
Renovation of the Heart - Dallas Willard

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The Making of a Lasting Leader: Season 3 Trailer

ECFA — Thu, 24 Apr 2025 11:06:12 -0400

This season, we explore what makes leaders last, from humility to impact and the care that carries them there.

Why Leader Care Can't Wait: Season 3 Trailer

ECFA — Wed, 16 Apr 2025 11:51:13 -0400

What if leadership wasn’t just about performance but about wholeness? This season, we’re having the real conversations every leader needs—about burnout, trust, soul care, relationships, and leading with integrity. Featuring insightful voices like Mindy Caliguire, Dr. Henry Cloud, Lysa TerKeurst, and more, we’re exploring the unseen challenges leaders face and the wisdom needed to overcome them. Whether you’re navigating difficult circumstances, protecting your leadership culture, or simply trying to stay healthy in the midst of chaos, these episodes will challenge, encourage, and equip you to lead with strength and authenticity. Don’t just lead—lead well.

The Three H's that Drive Culture | Kim Williams, ECFA

ECFA — Thu, 28 Dec 2023 08:00:00 -0500

A thriving culture drives a staff and organization to new heights. Kim Williams shares how to cultivate such a culture that can spread like wildfire in a workplace. Specifically, she explores ECFA’s own intentional pursuit of three key organizational values: Humble, Hardworking, and Healthy.

📻 Listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts: https://www.ecfa.org/Content/Podcast

One Way to Bless the Next Generation of Leaders | Harold Moore, ECFA

ECFA — Thu, 14 Dec 2023 08:00:00 -0500

Harold Moore's story of hard work and striving is all too familiar. After a marketing and pastoring career, the Lord led him uniquely to ECFA as the Executive Administrator to the President. Harold exudes joyous serving while also exhorting ECFA staff towards healthy leadership. Michael and Harold talk candidly about their professional, personal, and spiritual dynamic as humility, honor, and legacy overlap.

Find out more about ECFA: https://www.ecfa.org

The Leadership and Trust Connection | Michael Martin, ECFA

ECFA — Thu, 30 Nov 2023 07:00:00 -0500

Michael Martin, ECFA's President, takes us back to 2021 when ECFA's Board started digging into how a leader's health affects financial integrity and trust. In the past two years, ECFA has surveyed and researched this connection. The ECFA board has applied these findings to better support the health of its own leadership and staff. With each conversation, ECFA was encouraged by ministry and church leaders to continue this research and bring leadership health to the forefront of the Trust conversation.

Stick around until the end, as Michael has practical takeaways and next steps for you and your organization. Also, we react to a few of the highlights from this year's excellent thought leaders!

Enjoyed the clips in this podcast? Here are the links to those full episodes:

David Kinnaman, Barna: https://share.transistor.fm/s/03c0b5ae
Carey Nieuwhof: https://share.transistor.fm/s/df964729
Ruth Haley Barton, Transforming Center: https://share.transistor.fm/s/68be24da
Glenn Packiam, Rockharbor Church: https://share.transistor.fm/s/5dfc1f1e
Jedd Medefind, CAFO: https://share.transistor.fm/s/9059608c

A Growing Church, a Healthy Church, or Both? | Bishop Derek Grier, Grace Church

ECFA — Thu, 12 Oct 2023 06:00:00 -0400

We’re blessed to speak with Bishop Derek Grier of Grace Church. He’s the top leader at Grace and a Board Member here at ECFA. He dives into why supporting pastors is so vital right now and how the board can prioritize relationship building with top leaders! His leadership in the National Unity Weekend has spurred Christ-Centered conversations and action on race and diversity nationwide. Finally, he's been involved in ECFA's Board research on leadership health, and his desire to see healthy relationship between boards and top leaders.

https://www.gracechurchva.org/
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Healthy Governance is Living Authentically | Rob Hoskins & David Branker, One Hope Ministries

ECFA — Thu, 28 Sep 2023 07:00:00 -0400

Rob Hoskins and David Branker of One Hope Ministries have developed a reputation as a ministry with excellence in board and leader relationships, staff culture, and Christ-centered vision. Intentionality underscores all parts of their culture as leadership seeks intergenerational accountability. To live for Christ in your personal life and your public life, if they all look the same, is the most authentic you can be!

One Hope Ministries: https://onehope.net/

Women will Manage the Largest Generational Wealth Transfer | Julie Wilson, Women Doing Well

ECFA — Thu, 14 Sep 2023 07:00:00 -0400

Women Doing Well's purpose is to activate women towards purposeful generosity. 95% of women will, at some point in their life, be the primary financial decision maker for their family, yet a larger percentage do not feel confident and equipped to to handle what God has given to them.

https://womendoingwell.org/

Restoring a Leader for their Next Chapter | William Vanderbloemen

ECFA — Thu, 24 Aug 2023 08:00:00 -0400

What do job interviews reveal about the current character of a candidate? William Vanderbloemen and his search firm have a unique knowledge of the staff at many Christian organizations and churches because they interviewed and recruited many of them! What do they look for when talking to a potential church or ministry leader? Ownership, transparency, excuses. No one is perfect, and how we approach our past failures defines our aim not to repeat them.

Learn more about Vanderbloemen at https://www.vanderbloemen.com
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100 Years of Preparing Leaders, God Willing, 100 More | Mark Yarbrough, DTS

ECFA — Fri, 11 Aug 2023 07:00:00 -0400

Mark Yarbrough was a student, professor, and now President of Dallas Theological Seminary. For 100 years, DTS has held the word of God high in training young men and women to go into ministry and shepherd flocks worldwide.

What's next for Pastors? How do cultural influences challenge private seminaries? How does a seminary take on the challenge of teaching integrity to future leaders?

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The Pain in Pastoring | Sam Chand, SRC Consulting

ECFA — Thu, 27 Jul 2023 07:00:00 -0400

Raised as a Pastor's kid, then going in the ministry himself for over 35 years, Sam Chand has seen the changes in the church firsthand. His book, Leadership Pains, dials into the challenges that have resulted in failure among pastors. He's come alongside leaders as a first responder after a fall.

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Best Workplaces Have Trust | Al Lopus, Best Christian Workplaces

ECFA — Thu, 13 Jul 2023 13:05:47 -0400

Best Christian Workplaces Co-Founder and Board Chair Al Lopus has seen it all. Anonymous surveys reveal the heart of health in organizations. He shares telling signs of unhealth and examples of leaders who took it head on, even as they were the problem.

Check out the Flourishing Culture Leadership Podcast here: https://workplaces.org/podcast

The Tough Questions, The Needed Answers | Brian Kreeger

ECFA — Thu, 29 Jun 2023 07:00:00 -0400

Ministry Lead Brian Kreeger worked hard. He was doing the Lord's work at all costs. Listen to his reflections from The Courageous Ask, a book considering how a leader finds support from his board, friends, and fellow brothers and sisters in Christ.

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Global and Biblical Perspective on Leaders | Gary Hoag, Global Trust Partners

ECFA — Thu, 15 Jun 2023 07:00:00 -0400

Gary Hoag sees and hears about the global church every day. As CEO of Global Trust Partners, birthed from the heartbeat of ECFA, Gary witnesses how ministry work is done worldwide and how different cultures and governments perceive financial integrity, good governance, and leadership. Biblically, Gary has spent time as a New Testament scholar considering the Jerusalem council and its leadership structure.

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http://www.sowerbook.org
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The Lord's Calling You to Lead, Answer Humbly | Jacob Bland, Youth for Christ

ECFA — Thu, 01 Jun 2023 09:29:40 -0400

Jacob Bland answered the call. As a young leader in a storied ministry, his wisdom in humbly leading and balancing a young family is relatable for so many of us. The relationship between Youth For Christ's Board of Directors and senior leadership is thoughtful, caring, and saturated in prayer. The God-honoring succession transition Jacob stepped into is one we all hope can be repeated in our own churches and ministries.

Check out more from Youth For Christ: https://yfc.net

Where the Soul Goes, All Will Follow | Steve Macchia, Leadership Transformations

ECFA — Thu, 18 May 2023 08:00:00 -0400

The spiritual formation of Christian Leaders can get deprioritized in the face of other metrics of success. Steve Macchia has spent his career teaching the importance of a nurtured soul. As he says, where the soul goes, so goes the leader.

Check out more of Steve's writing here: https://www.stevemacchia.com/

A Literal Employee Handbook for a Healthy Team | Jedd Medefind, CAFO

ECFA — Thu, 11 May 2023 07:00:00 -0400

CAFO Leadership released a document to staff that spells out how to have a balanced and healthy work, personal, and spiritual life. It's working! They call it the Strategic Plan for Thriving Souls. As Jedd Medefind discusses, good fruit comes from good roots.

Find Jedd's Podcast here: https://resources.cafo.org/series/justice-and-the-inner-life/

and the Thriving Souls Plan here: https://cafo.org/souls/

S.O.S. For Our Souls | Mindy Caliguire, Soul Care

ECFA — Thu, 04 May 2023 11:12:21 -0400

Mindy Caliguire leads Soulcare.com and frames Soul Care as a personal resolve to build a life deeply connected to God—the path to true flourishing. Most important, her work imagines the “what if?” of a future where the new norm is one in which leaders thrive, integrity thrives, and churches and ministries thrive because of better soul care.

Take the integrity assessment! https://www.soulcare.com/integrity

Shadow Side of Why We Are What We Are | Gary McIntosh, Church Growth Network

ECFA — Thu, 27 Apr 2023 08:00:00 -0400

Our motivations are a shadow to us and others. Not always good or bad, but present. Know them, Redeem them.

Gary L. McIntosh is President of the Church Growth Network and Professor of Christian Ministry and Leadership at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University. He has forty years of experience consulting non-profit organizations, coaching of leaders, and seminar presentations.

Find more of Gary's work at https://www.churchgrowthnetwork.com/

Processing Leadership Failures. Start by Looking Within | Glenn Packiam, Rockharbor Church

ECFA — Thu, 13 Apr 2023 08:00:00 -0400

Good and Bad Leadership can push us towards knowing the Lord deeper. Glen shares how to find new wells to drink from, to stay resilient as a Christian leader in these times.

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Executive Pastor’s Role in Leadership Integrity | David Fletcher | XPastor

ECFA — Thu, 06 Apr 2023 08:00:00 -0400

Over 2/3's of larger churches in America have an Executive Pastor. There is opportunity to be effective and efficient in church business, all while increasing integrity with a pastor's heart. David Fletcher of Xpastor.org shares the trends and practical insights all churches can benefit from.

Legal Risks for Unhealthy Leaders | Erika Cole | The Church Attorney

ECFA — Thu, 30 Mar 2023 07:00:00 -0400

What are the legal risks of unhealthy leadership? Erika Cole, The Church Attorney, gives insight to how important a pastor's role is and how that can be isolating, taxing, and can lead to pastoral burnout. The importance to stay spiritually and emotionally healthy as a pastor seems obvious, but the legal ramifications of un-health can affect entire churches and communities.

Find Erika's courses and Podcast at www.erikacole.com

Avoiding Burnout and Other Integrity Traps | Carey Niewhof

ECFA — Thu, 16 Mar 2023 07:00:00 -0400

You don't know what you don't know, and those unseen traps can catch any of us. Carey has spoken with thousands of leaders and lived through a burnout period in his own life, so glean the wisdom and warnings for a full life of healthy leadership.

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Why the Soul of Every Leader Needs Rest | Ruth Haley Barton | Transforming Center

ECFA — Thu, 02 Mar 2023 07:00:00 -0500

You are not made for work alone. Embrace the rhythms your Creator designed for you. You are not made for the Sabbath; the Sabbath is made for you.

Ruth Haley Barton | CEO Transforming Center
https://transformingcenter.org/

Research Insights on Healthy Leadership | David Kinnaman | Barna Group

ECFA — Thu, 16 Feb 2023 07:00:00 -0500

Change, change is the only constant. That's what thousands of interviews and surveys confirm about Christian culture in the U.S. With access to this data The Barna Group has a finger on the pulse of the big C church and its Pastors. David Kinnaman reveals the trends he sees and how pastors without healthy leadership practices have a higher probability to leave the ministry.

David Kinnaman and The Barna Group: https://www.barna.com/

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Leading a Dangerously Soft-hearted Ministry | Edgar Sandoval, World Vision

ECFA — Thu, 28 Apr 2022 05:00:00 -0400

Edgar Sandoval's amazing story of hardship, hard work, and surrender is filled with God's continued work in each of us and this world! As CEO of World Vision, a large, tenured Christian Humanitarian Aid Organization, Edgar discusses the organization's willingness to respond to dangerous situations because of soft hearts, calling it the "right kind of dangerous". As generations change, Edgar describes focusing on holding the values that started World Vision, as he says, "the fruits are in the roots, and our roots are in the church, we were started by a youth pastor." From his personal story to pursuing diversity to how leadership sets the tone for stewardship - you won't want to miss this one.

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Eternal Mindsets Create Generous Hearts | David Wills, NCF

ECFA — Thu, 21 Apr 2022 05:00:00 -0400

When David Wills was growing up, every time he took a spiritual gift test he always seemed to score lowest in "generosity," but that didn't stop the Lord from working in his heart.

Listen in as Michael Martin sits down with the President Emeritus of the National Christian Foundation, which serves as a global generosity movement, and discusses his passions around generosity and eternity.

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Redemption Happens with Accountability | Jake Lapp, ECFA

ECFA — Thu, 14 Apr 2022 05:00:00 -0400

Being accountable to someone doesn't mean you'll achieve perfection. Accountability, particularly in a Christian organization, looks like a relationship built on trust with "course correcting" conversations happening regularly.

Sit down with Michael Martin and Jake Lapp as they dig in to what accountability looks like with ECFA accredited members.

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Trusting Leaders Who Trust God | Tami Heim, CLA

ECFA — Thu, 07 Apr 2022 06:00:00 -0400

"Trust is the bedrock. Out of good trust comes productive conflict management, clarity on goals and objectives, people feel like they can speak into something, and you begin to see outcomes. Outcomes that really are transforming a leader. Transforming your organization. Transforming communities. And now we're even witnessing how it's transforming nations."

Michael goes "Behind the Seal" with Tami Heim, President/CEO of the Christian Leadership Alliance, to discuss the pivotal connection between Christ-centered leadership and trust.

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Do Evangelicals Have A Trust Problem? | Walter Kim, NAE

ECFA — Thu, 31 Mar 2022 06:00:00 -0400

Does the name "evangelical" do more harm than good in today’s culture? What role is "deconstruction" playing in the Christian community? Do Christian ministries have a trust problem, and how do we respond?

Join the conversation as Michael Martin sits down with Walter Kim, the President of the National Association of Evangelicals, as they work through these questions together.

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00:55 - Walter stepping into the role as President of the NAE
07:25 - United as evangelicals in polarizing times
16:29 - The word "evangelical" historically
31:16 - Ex-vangelicals and deconstruction
44:46 - Do evangelicals have a trust problem?

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Going Behind the Seal | Michael Martin

ECFA — Thu, 24 Mar 2022 06:00:00 -0400

Nonprofits and churches were experiencing a “crisis of confidence” in the late 1970s. Scandal after scandal highlighted the great need for standards and accountability, and from it, the ECFA seal was born to help regain and enhance trust.

In episode one, Michael Martin unpacks a little of the seal's history and gives a taste of the conversations coming over the next few weeks.

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06:33 – History of ECFA and the origin of the Seal. Inspiring credibility and confidence.
14:03 – Integrity does not mean perfection!
17:32 – What’s behind the seal? Trust.

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Behind the Seal - Trailer

ECFA — Fri, 04 Mar 2022 16:53:48 -0500

ECFA is announcing our new Podcast. Subscribe now! Episodes are released every week starting in late March!