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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Old-Fashioned Caramel Cake</strong></p><p><strong><em>I<br>ngredients</em></strong></p><ul><li>1 (8-oz.) container sour cream</li><li>1/4 cup milk (I used evaporated milk) </li><li>1 cup butter, softened</li><li><em>1 ¾  to </em>2 cups sugar – It depends on how sweet you like it!</li><li>4 large eggs</li><li>2 3/4 cups all-purpose flour</li><li>2 teaspoons baking powder</li><li>1/2 teaspoon salt</li><li><em>1 ½ teaspoons</em> vanilla extract <em>(Almond extract would be good too!)</em></li></ul><p><strong>Directions</strong></p><p>1.    Preheat oven to 350°. Blend sour cream and milk.</p><p>2.    Beat butter until creamy. </p><p>3.    Gradually add sugar, beating well. Add eggs, 1 at a time, until blended after each addition.</p><p>4.    Combine flour, baking powder, and salt; add to the butter mixture, alternating with the sour cream mixture, beginning and ending with the flour mixture. Beat at medium-low speed after each addition. Stir in vanilla. Pour batter into 2 greased and floured 9-inch round cake pans.</p><p>5.    Bake at 350° for 30 to 35 minutes or until a wooden pick inserted in the center comes out clean. Cool in pans on wire racks for 10 minutes. Remove from pans to wire racks and let cool 1 hour or until completely cool.</p><p>6.    Spread Caramel Frosting between layers and on top and sides of cake.</p><p> </p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong>Caramel Icing </strong></p><p><strong><em>Ingredients</em></strong></p><p>·       2 tbs butter</p><p>·       1/2 cup brown sugar, packed</p><p>·       3 tbs milk, or as needed</p><p>·       1 cup confectioners' sugar, divided</p><p>·       1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract</p><p><br><strong>Directions</strong></p><p>Melt butter in a saucepan over medium heat. Stir in brown sugar and 3 tablespoons milk. Boil vigorously for 1 minute.</p><p>Remove from heat and stir in 1/2 cup confectioners' sugar.</p><p>Cool slightly, then beat in the vanilla and the remaining 1/2 cup of confectioners’ sugar. Add additional milk, 1 teaspoon at a time, if frosting is too thick.</p><p><strong><em>Podcast Key Points</em></strong></p><p>The Calamity Club, Katherine Stockett, Southern Life, Great Depression, Audiobook, Character Analysis, Women’s Roles, Historical Fiction, Family Dynamics, Orphanage women empowerment, historical fiction, adoption, societal norms, character development, brothel, family secrets, tragedy, LGBTQ issues, 1930s<br><strong><em><br>Takeaways</em></strong></p><p>The Calamity Club is a long but engaging read.<br>Katherine Stockett's portrayal of Southern life feels authentic.<br>The Great Depression's impact on social classes is highlighted.<br>Audiobook narration enhances the storytelling experience.<br>Characters like Bertie and Meg showcase resilience and strength.<br>The orphanage setting reveals harsh realities for children.<br>The Tarts' downfall illustrates the fragility of wealth.<br>Women's societal roles are critiqued throughout the narrative.<br>The Calamity Club serves as a metaphor for female solidarity.<br>Found family emerges as a central theme in the story. Women supporting each other is a recurring theme.<br>The challenges of opening a brothel highlight societal struggles.<br>Character evolution is significant, especially for Mrs. Tarte.<br>Adoption in the 1930s had harsh realities for older children.<br>Tragedy strikes when Tom's character faces loss.<br>Family secrets play a crucial role in character motivations.<br>Societal norms heavily influenced the treatment of women and LGBTQ individuals.<br>The quest for a happy ending is complex and often unresolved.<br>Historical context enriches the narrative and character development.<br>The emotional journey of the characters resonates with readers.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Old-Fashioned Caramel Cake</strong></p><p><strong><em>I<br>ngredients</em></strong></p><ul><li>1 (8-oz.) container sour cream</li><li>1/4 cup milk (I used evaporated milk) </li><li>1 cup butter, softened</li><li><em>1 ¾  to </em>2 cups sugar – It depends on how sweet you like it!</li><li>4 large eggs</li><li>2 3/4 cups all-purpose flour</li><li>2 teaspoons baking powder</li><li>1/2 teaspoon salt</li><li><em>1 ½ teaspoons</em> vanilla extract <em>(Almond extract would be good too!)</em></li></ul><p><strong>Directions</strong></p><p>1.    Preheat oven to 350°. Blend sour cream and milk.</p><p>2.    Beat butter until creamy. </p><p>3.    Gradually add sugar, beating well. Add eggs, 1 at a time, until blended after each addition.</p><p>4.    Combine flour, baking powder, and salt; add to the butter mixture, alternating with the sour cream mixture, beginning and ending with the flour mixture. Beat at medium-low speed after each addition. Stir in vanilla. Pour batter into 2 greased and floured 9-inch round cake pans.</p><p>5.    Bake at 350° for 30 to 35 minutes or until a wooden pick inserted in the center comes out clean. Cool in pans on wire racks for 10 minutes. Remove from pans to wire racks and let cool 1 hour or until completely cool.</p><p>6.    Spread Caramel Frosting between layers and on top and sides of cake.</p><p> </p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong>Caramel Icing </strong></p><p><strong><em>Ingredients</em></strong></p><p>·       2 tbs butter</p><p>·       1/2 cup brown sugar, packed</p><p>·       3 tbs milk, or as needed</p><p>·       1 cup confectioners' sugar, divided</p><p>·       1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract</p><p><br><strong>Directions</strong></p><p>Melt butter in a saucepan over medium heat. Stir in brown sugar and 3 tablespoons milk. Boil vigorously for 1 minute.</p><p>Remove from heat and stir in 1/2 cup confectioners' sugar.</p><p>Cool slightly, then beat in the vanilla and the remaining 1/2 cup of confectioners’ sugar. Add additional milk, 1 teaspoon at a time, if frosting is too thick.</p><p><strong><em>Podcast Key Points</em></strong></p><p>The Calamity Club, Katherine Stockett, Southern Life, Great Depression, Audiobook, Character Analysis, Women’s Roles, Historical Fiction, Family Dynamics, Orphanage women empowerment, historical fiction, adoption, societal norms, character development, brothel, family secrets, tragedy, LGBTQ issues, 1930s<br><strong><em><br>Takeaways</em></strong></p><p>The Calamity Club is a long but engaging read.<br>Katherine Stockett's portrayal of Southern life feels authentic.<br>The Great Depression's impact on social classes is highlighted.<br>Audiobook narration enhances the storytelling experience.<br>Characters like Bertie and Meg showcase resilience and strength.<br>The orphanage setting reveals harsh realities for children.<br>The Tarts' downfall illustrates the fragility of wealth.<br>Women's societal roles are critiqued throughout the narrative.<br>The Calamity Club serves as a metaphor for female solidarity.<br>Found family emerges as a central theme in the story. Women supporting each other is a recurring theme.<br>The challenges of opening a brothel highlight societal struggles.<br>Character evolution is significant, especially for Mrs. Tarte.<br>Adoption in the 1930s had harsh realities for older children.<br>Tragedy strikes when Tom's character faces loss.<br>Family secrets play a crucial role in character motivations.<br>Societal norms heavily influenced the treatment of women and LGBTQ individuals.<br>The quest for a happy ending is complex and often unresolved.<br>Historical context enriches the narrative and character development.<br>The emotional journey of the characters resonates with readers.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2026 14:30:07 -0700</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p><strong>Old-Fashioned Caramel Cake</strong></p><p><strong><em>I<br>ngredients</em></strong></p><ul><li>1 (8-oz.) container sour cream</li><li>1/4 cup milk (I used evaporated milk) </li><li>1 cup butter, softened</li><li><em>1 ¾  to </em>2 cups sugar – It depends on how sweet you like it!</li><li>4 large eggs</li><li>2 3/4 cups all-purpose flour</li><li>2 teaspoons baking powder</li><li>1/2 teaspoon salt</li><li><em>1 ½ teaspoons</em> vanilla extract <em>(Almond extract would be good too!)</em></li></ul><p><strong>Directions</strong></p><p>1.    Preheat oven to 350°. Blend sour cream and milk.</p><p>2.    Beat butter until creamy. </p><p>3.    Gradually add sugar, beating well. Add eggs, 1 at a time, until blended after each addition.</p><p>4.    Combine flour, baking powder, and salt; add to the butter mixture, alternating with the sour cream mixture, beginning and ending with the flour mixture. Beat at medium-low speed after each addition. Stir in vanilla. Pour batter into 2 greased and floured 9-inch round cake pans.</p><p>5.    Bake at 350° for 30 to 35 minutes or until a wooden pick inserted in the center comes out clean. Cool in pans on wire racks for 10 minutes. Remove from pans to wire racks and let cool 1 hour or until completely cool.</p><p>6.    Spread Caramel Frosting between layers and on top and sides of cake.</p><p> </p><p><strong> </strong></p><p><strong>Caramel Icing </strong></p><p><strong><em>Ingredients</em></strong></p><p>·       2 tbs butter</p><p>·       1/2 cup brown sugar, packed</p><p>·       3 tbs milk, or as needed</p><p>·       1 cup confectioners' sugar, divided</p><p>·       1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract</p><p><br><strong>Directions</strong></p><p>Melt butter in a saucepan over medium heat. Stir in brown sugar and 3 tablespoons milk. Boil vigorously for 1 minute.</p><p>Remove from heat and stir in 1/2 cup confectioners' sugar.</p><p>Cool slightly, then beat in the vanilla and the remaining 1/2 cup of confectioners’ sugar. Add additional milk, 1 teaspoon at a time, if frosting is too thick.</p><p><strong><em>Podcast Key Points</em></strong></p><p>The Calamity Club, Katherine Stockett, Southern Life, Great Depression, Audiobook, Character Analysis, Women’s Roles, Historical Fiction, Family Dynamics, Orphanage women empowerment, historical fiction, adoption, societal norms, character development, brothel, family secrets, tragedy, LGBTQ issues, 1930s<br><strong><em><br>Takeaways</em></strong></p><p>The Calamity Club is a long but engaging read.<br>Katherine Stockett's portrayal of Southern life feels authentic.<br>The Great Depression's impact on social classes is highlighted.<br>Audiobook narration enhances the storytelling experience.<br>Characters like Bertie and Meg showcase resilience and strength.<br>The orphanage setting reveals harsh realities for children.<br>The Tarts' downfall illustrates the fragility of wealth.<br>Women's societal roles are critiqued throughout the narrative.<br>The Calamity Club serves as a metaphor for female solidarity.<br>Found family emerges as a central theme in the story. Women supporting each other is a recurring theme.<br>The challenges of opening a brothel highlight societal struggles.<br>Character evolution is significant, especially for Mrs. Tarte.<br>Adoption in the 1930s had harsh realities for older children.<br>Tragedy strikes when Tom's character faces loss.<br>Family secrets play a crucial role in character motivations.<br>Societal norms heavily influenced the treatment of women and LGBTQ individuals.<br>The quest for a happy ending is complex and often unresolved.<br>Historical context enriches the narrative and character development.<br>The emotional journey of the characters resonates with readers.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The Recipe</p><p><strong>For the Apple Pizza:</strong></p><ul><li><strong>Ingredients:</strong> 1 pack of puff pastry, 1 pack of marzipan, 3 large apples, and 1 jar of apricot jam. </li><li><strong>Preparation:</strong> Roll out the puff pastry, then layer a circle of marzipan on top. Arrange the sliced apples overlapping on the marzipan. </li><li><strong>Baking:</strong> Bake at 200°C until the pastry is cooked and the apples are golden brown. </li><li><strong>The Glaze:</strong> While the pizza bakes, heat the apricot jam on the hob. Once out of the oven, pour the warm jam over the pizza and let it rest. </li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The Recipe</p><p><strong>For the Apple Pizza:</strong></p><ul><li><strong>Ingredients:</strong> 1 pack of puff pastry, 1 pack of marzipan, 3 large apples, and 1 jar of apricot jam. </li><li><strong>Preparation:</strong> Roll out the puff pastry, then layer a circle of marzipan on top. Arrange the sliced apples overlapping on the marzipan. </li><li><strong>Baking:</strong> Bake at 200°C until the pastry is cooked and the apples are golden brown. </li><li><strong>The Glaze:</strong> While the pizza bakes, heat the apricot jam on the hob. Once out of the oven, pour the warm jam over the pizza and let it rest. </li></ul>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2026 13:21:38 -0700</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The Recipe</p><p><strong>For the Apple Pizza:</strong></p><ul><li><strong>Ingredients:</strong> 1 pack of puff pastry, 1 pack of marzipan, 3 large apples, and 1 jar of apricot jam. </li><li><strong>Preparation:</strong> Roll out the puff pastry, then layer a circle of marzipan on top. Arrange the sliced apples overlapping on the marzipan. </li><li><strong>Baking:</strong> Bake at 200°C until the pastry is cooked and the apples are golden brown. </li><li><strong>The Glaze:</strong> While the pizza bakes, heat the apricot jam on the hob. Once out of the oven, pour the warm jam over the pizza and let it rest. </li></ul>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>Dolly Alderton, Everything I Know About Love, AOL, Apple Pie Pizza, Female Friendship, Romantic Love, books, Jane Austen, Coming of Age, Small Towns.</itunes:keywords>
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      <title>Episode Five - The Frozen River</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>J.S. and Just Kim cultivate a lively discussion of the historical fiction novel 'The Frozen River' by Ariel Lawton, exploring its themes, historical accuracy, and character insights.</p><p>Chapters</p><p> </p><p>00:00 Introduction to The Frozen River</p><p>02:19 Martha Ballard: The Eighteenth Century Midwife</p><p>06:35 Themes of Gender and Justice</p><p>12:51 The Role of Small Town Dynamics</p><p>20:21 Historical Context and Its Relevance Today</p><p>26:06 Conclusion and Final Thoughts</p><p> <br>Blueberry Sorbet recipe: </p><p>Ingredients</p><p>1 small lemon or half of a large one</p><p>1 ⅔ cups (350 g) sugar<br>2 pounds (1 kg) blueberries, fresh or frozen</p><p>Directions:</p><ul><li>Trim the ends off the lemon and cut in half. Remove the seeds and chop the lemon into chunks.</li><li>Puree the lemon and sugar in a food processor and puree until very smooth, about 1 minute. Transfer to a bowl.</li><li>Put the berries in the food processor bowl and puree, then stir into the lemon mixture until blended. </li><li>If you want a smoother sorbet without bits of blueberry and lemon, push the mixture through a strainer. Otherwise, pour into your ice cream maker and freeze according to the directions of your machine.</li><li>Transfer to a container and store in the freezer until ready to serve.</li></ul>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>J.S. and Just Kim cultivate a lively discussion of the historical fiction novel 'The Frozen River' by Ariel Lawton, exploring its themes, historical accuracy, and character insights.</p><p>Chapters</p><p> </p><p>00:00 Introduction to The Frozen River</p><p>02:19 Martha Ballard: The Eighteenth Century Midwife</p><p>06:35 Themes of Gender and Justice</p><p>12:51 The Role of Small Town Dynamics</p><p>20:21 Historical Context and Its Relevance Today</p><p>26:06 Conclusion and Final Thoughts</p><p> <br>Blueberry Sorbet recipe: </p><p>Ingredients</p><p>1 small lemon or half of a large one</p><p>1 ⅔ cups (350 g) sugar<br>2 pounds (1 kg) blueberries, fresh or frozen</p><p>Directions:</p><ul><li>Trim the ends off the lemon and cut in half. Remove the seeds and chop the lemon into chunks.</li><li>Puree the lemon and sugar in a food processor and puree until very smooth, about 1 minute. Transfer to a bowl.</li><li>Put the berries in the food processor bowl and puree, then stir into the lemon mixture until blended. </li><li>If you want a smoother sorbet without bits of blueberry and lemon, push the mixture through a strainer. Otherwise, pour into your ice cream maker and freeze according to the directions of your machine.</li><li>Transfer to a container and store in the freezer until ready to serve.</li></ul>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2026 11:15:53 -0700</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>J.S. and Just Kim cultivate a lively discussion of the historical fiction novel 'The Frozen River' by Ariel Lawton, exploring its themes, historical accuracy, and character insights.</p><p>Chapters</p><p> </p><p>00:00 Introduction to The Frozen River</p><p>02:19 Martha Ballard: The Eighteenth Century Midwife</p><p>06:35 Themes of Gender and Justice</p><p>12:51 The Role of Small Town Dynamics</p><p>20:21 Historical Context and Its Relevance Today</p><p>26:06 Conclusion and Final Thoughts</p><p> <br>Blueberry Sorbet recipe: </p><p>Ingredients</p><p>1 small lemon or half of a large one</p><p>1 ⅔ cups (350 g) sugar<br>2 pounds (1 kg) blueberries, fresh or frozen</p><p>Directions:</p><ul><li>Trim the ends off the lemon and cut in half. Remove the seeds and chop the lemon into chunks.</li><li>Puree the lemon and sugar in a food processor and puree until very smooth, about 1 minute. Transfer to a bowl.</li><li>Put the berries in the food processor bowl and puree, then stir into the lemon mixture until blended. </li><li>If you want a smoother sorbet without bits of blueberry and lemon, push the mixture through a strainer. Otherwise, pour into your ice cream maker and freeze according to the directions of your machine.</li><li>Transfer to a container and store in the freezer until ready to serve.</li></ul>]]>
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      <title>Episode Four: The View From Lake Como</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, J.S and Just Kim share insights into family dynamics, Italian American culture, and the journey of self-discovery through literature and personal stories. She reflects on a novel set in Lake Como and Jersey, exploring themes of family, tradition, and personal growth.</p><p>EASY Lemon Tart Recipe -<br><strong>Ingredients:</strong></p><p>1 16-ounce package sugar cookie dough (I used the Pillsbury break-apart kind, but you can also use the roll) OR 1 recipe of your favorite prepared sugar cookie dough</p><p>1 about 8-10-ounce jar <a href="https://www.crazyforcrust.com/easy-lemon-curd-recipe/">lemon curd</a></p><p>Fresh fruit for topping, optional</p><p><strong>Directions</strong>:</p><p>Preheat oven to 350°F. Spray mini muffin pans with cooking spray that contains flour. If using the break-apart sugar cookie dough, break each square apart, roll into a ball, and press into the bottom and up the sides of each cavity in the mini muffin pan.  Using a roll of cookie dough or dough from scratch, use 1 tablespoon-sized balls and do the same. Bake cookie tarts for about 10 minutes, until they just start to turn golden around the edges. Cool, then remove from the pans carefully. They should pop out if you’ve sprayed the pan well, but using a butter knife to pop them out might help. Fill cooled cookies with lemon curd and top with a raspberry, blueberry, or strawberry. Store loosely covered in the refrigerator for up to 3 days.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, J.S and Just Kim share insights into family dynamics, Italian American culture, and the journey of self-discovery through literature and personal stories. She reflects on a novel set in Lake Como and Jersey, exploring themes of family, tradition, and personal growth.</p><p>EASY Lemon Tart Recipe -<br><strong>Ingredients:</strong></p><p>1 16-ounce package sugar cookie dough (I used the Pillsbury break-apart kind, but you can also use the roll) OR 1 recipe of your favorite prepared sugar cookie dough</p><p>1 about 8-10-ounce jar <a href="https://www.crazyforcrust.com/easy-lemon-curd-recipe/">lemon curd</a></p><p>Fresh fruit for topping, optional</p><p><strong>Directions</strong>:</p><p>Preheat oven to 350°F. Spray mini muffin pans with cooking spray that contains flour. If using the break-apart sugar cookie dough, break each square apart, roll into a ball, and press into the bottom and up the sides of each cavity in the mini muffin pan.  Using a roll of cookie dough or dough from scratch, use 1 tablespoon-sized balls and do the same. Bake cookie tarts for about 10 minutes, until they just start to turn golden around the edges. Cool, then remove from the pans carefully. They should pop out if you’ve sprayed the pan well, but using a butter knife to pop them out might help. Fill cooled cookies with lemon curd and top with a raspberry, blueberry, or strawberry. Store loosely covered in the refrigerator for up to 3 days.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2026 10:55:24 -0700</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, J.S and Just Kim share insights into family dynamics, Italian American culture, and the journey of self-discovery through literature and personal stories. She reflects on a novel set in Lake Como and Jersey, exploring themes of family, tradition, and personal growth.</p><p>EASY Lemon Tart Recipe -<br><strong>Ingredients:</strong></p><p>1 16-ounce package sugar cookie dough (I used the Pillsbury break-apart kind, but you can also use the roll) OR 1 recipe of your favorite prepared sugar cookie dough</p><p>1 about 8-10-ounce jar <a href="https://www.crazyforcrust.com/easy-lemon-curd-recipe/">lemon curd</a></p><p>Fresh fruit for topping, optional</p><p><strong>Directions</strong>:</p><p>Preheat oven to 350°F. Spray mini muffin pans with cooking spray that contains flour. If using the break-apart sugar cookie dough, break each square apart, roll into a ball, and press into the bottom and up the sides of each cavity in the mini muffin pan.  Using a roll of cookie dough or dough from scratch, use 1 tablespoon-sized balls and do the same. Bake cookie tarts for about 10 minutes, until they just start to turn golden around the edges. Cool, then remove from the pans carefully. They should pop out if you’ve sprayed the pan well, but using a butter knife to pop them out might help. Fill cooled cookies with lemon curd and top with a raspberry, blueberry, or strawberry. Store loosely covered in the refrigerator for up to 3 days.</p>]]>
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      <itunes:keywords>Leemon tarts, Jackie (00:02.126) And we're live or something like it. We're going to give a whirl to the view at Lake Como, which is probably backwards for you guys, we can read. Yeah, figure it out. We can figure it out as we go. And we'll be homeage to our lemon tarts. Adriana Trajani. So very good pronunciation. I hope we got that right. I think it's pretty close. Pretty close. You did you listen to the author interview at the end.  Did. Is she Italian American? She's very Italian American and I think.  wrote a lot from personal experience with family members. Well, that's what they tell us you're supposed to do. That's what I tell my class you're supposed to do. that's right. That is hard to do sometimes because it gets a little too personal. She said she did change the hair color for some of the characters. So that helped. I'll remember that because I just recently had to decide if I wanted to put in because I was submitting queries. So was submitting one manuscript about my time at Target. So it was kind of like that.  Paint in place, but for you guys, probably don't know what that is because that's a way old reference. The original soap opera of time, but just a lot of interesting action in between 25 year olds. So I was a married old woman when we were doing this and I was one of only married couples. However, there's a lot of sex going on around. So do I want to that in my book or don't I? Do I want to keep it PG? Do I want to write in that? It's a hard call. I think we all agree sex sells.  I keep thinking.  Jackie (01:39.181) If my kids read this, if my kids watch this, they will watch this. Who am I kidding? I said I was doing a video and they thought, oh, mama. I got the, oh, mom, like, it's not that old. But then I had somebody in my class today tell me that their grandpa was really old. 50. Held straight face. So, oh goodness. Goodness. So back to our fun thing. This book, which I found an interesting take on Italian American life.  Yes, and it starts with Jess, our main character, protagonist, is a 30 something year old recently divorced, living in her parents basement. And when we say basement, don't think of like a your basement or my basement. Right. You know, carpeted and has plumbing and TV. And you know, basically, I could live down there.  No, it's very, very rustic. And she's kind of in an interesting spot with her family. How would you describe it? So is she the youngest? She's the youngest. She's the youngest. She's definitely treated like the youngest. She's kind of babied. But she's a very strong-willed person when her backstory comes out. When her voice is on the page, she's very strong. But she is the youngest of the family and tends to do what everyone needs her to do. Yeah, so the youngest.  the baby, also like bears a lot of responsibility as the caregiver too, which is an interesting. I don't think she gives herself credit for that. I her being someone that's the youngest and has failed at her marriage. Didn't get to go to college, is working this job with her uncle that just gave it to her. But in all those cases, she's done some very big things. I mean, she left her husband. That was very hard in a family where marriage was so important for her to walk away. was a tough decision.  And not only was he like her husband, but he was the town, like the catch. The catch of the town. Yeah. um, but I thought was interesting with the author is she didn't make him a bad guy. I love that when they do that because they've been married for a while. have you. Yeah. So it was, you know, it's not like, be nice. Not like he cheated on her or was necessarily a bad guy. They experienced a trauma that they  Jackie (04:04.172) kind of just handled differently and ultimately that led to her decision that he wasn't her person. Yes. You wonder what's going to happen. It seems like kids are the lack thereof is the one thing that either makes or breaks a marriage. You how do you handle that? Right. And this came up pretty early in hers. So that was an interesting take on it. And then she also ends up taking care of everybody else and she doesn't really think she's doing it along the way, which is interesting, but.  She takes care of everybody. She really takes care of her parents. She moved back to help them as they were going through hip surgery. They had some ailments that she was helping them recover from and PT. she works for her uncle that's getting up there and aging as well. She goes to all these huge family dinners and plans them, sets them, does all the stuff. So she is very vivacious within that family, but doesn't give herself a lot of credit. Yet. Yet. That's my favorite new word in the English language. Yet. So that means that you can do something eventually.  Yes, you don't know that yet is what I always tell my class, but you're gonna get there. one thing that I really liked about this book was it's an Italian family. It's much different than my hybrid Norwegian German family came together, which is very similar to much around here. Yes, or my Finnish family. We have some Scandinavian roots, other continental roots, and it was interesting to see that they were also similar.  But different. So you could see things that were exactly the same and some things that were different, but families tend to operate like families tend to operate. There was a lot of overlap, which was kind of fun to see where those Venn diagram circles came together and these big family dinners. And it was set back a little bit earlier in time. So it was really familiar, lot of stuff that they were going through in the book in the time period. Big Christmases with plastic decorations.  Family gatherings with weird foods. I have to say one of my favorite parts of this book was there was a reference to if a family member, if they weren't on speaking terms, that member was on the island. So that was their euphemism for I'm not speaking to that person. They're on the island right now. And I just, I just thought that was so clever and I liked  Jackie (06:28.083) I liked the picture of that and the fact that, you know, are they on the island or off the island right now? Am I speaking to this person or not speaking to this person? And I think we all do that to some degree with family members. Like there's certain family members, maybe you don't, it's not like you're putting them on the island per se, but you're setting some distance or, you know, establishing some boundaries. Some boundaries to those gatherings that sometimes  go awry. Things that are said that shouldn't be said. I think we would say around here since we live so far up north, we don't, they're on the island, but maybe they're iced out for a little bit. That's a very Minnesotan. It's a very Minnesotan thing. I feel that there, sometimes you have somebody that just, yeah, it's in the fish house, they're sitting out in the ice house. Yes. That'll be our new thing. They're in the fish house right now. We've had that happen a few times, but who knew? So  Some of my favorite lines came from Louis, which was kind of crazy because he, if you don't know the book, he is not in the book the whole way. I don't know much. to get away. Yeah, there's a kind of a tragedy. Which really kind of kicks off a pretty momentous change in her life. Denise. She has to take over a business while being a  a divorcee in a town where everybody else is married and ready to have kids and she is unmarried is working this job that now she is the boss of and on top of everything there were some surprises with that job that she was unaware of. So everything kind of came all at once and pretty fast. So when she is sitting, I thought that was interesting. were talking again off camera, which we shouldn't do, but when we were talking about her having to give the text call to the family when the tragedy strikes.  Man, that took me right back. That took me right into then when I had to do that for my family. And it's like, man, you're just trying to figure out what words. And not too many of them, they don't come. And I was a writer, so it was really hard. like, I just couldn't get the words down to explain them to anybody. But my father had died. And I'm like, I just couldn't do it. And I had to take a beat. But I was the one in charge of sending that message out. And that's a hard message. Right. So hard that when my mother passed, I didn't do it. I made my sister do it.  Jackie (08:55.018) I feel like you had your turn. was somebody else's turn to step up. Actually, it was the wonderful, wonderful hospice hospice nurse that helped out. But yeah, when when she had to give it, I think she said her whole text, her whole family was uncle Louis gone. He went peacefully at 313 AM. I mean, what else are you going to say without you're getting a text in the middle of the night? What do you want to say? Everybody's gonna feel bad that they weren't there. Obviously.  Tragedy or conveying so short to the point, but still she had a hit set. Right. And maybe keep it limited so you're not bombarded with a thousand questions. That too. Right away. Here's the specs. He's gone and it was three in the morning. What else do you want to know? Come by tomorrow and we'll have a chat. But it was an interesting just little connection. I love that in the book where you can see yourself a little bit in part of the book.  Yeah, my little inflection to been there. Now I feel for you. Now I feel for the care. Now I want to see what happens to her because I have kinship to her. Yeah. And can I say when I first started listening to the audio book, which I'm going to do a shout out to Mira Sorvino, who does the she's the narrator and she does a great job. I was I was starting to get annoyed with the book. I'm like.  There's a of setup. a lot of setup. I can get into this. Like the story hasn't really grabbed me yet. And then it does. And I finally, I started getting more and more interested to see where this character was going to go. Because she starts out, I don't know that I found her very appealing or sympathetic. She almost seems like a bit of a pushover. Yeah, I remember walking over and I'm like, some gumption.  Yeah, so I liked that this tragic event, you know, uncovers some other family secrets and really is the impetus for her to be like, you know what, I'm putting you guys on the island because I got to take control of my life and figure this out. And there's the island, now they can't get off of it. Yes. She was galvanized through that time, for sure. And I was in the, you told me that it was a slow start and  Jackie (11:16.521) It did, it started off slow, but then when you set up the characters like that, then you kind of care for them a little bit more once you know where everybody's at. And that's the trick today. Do you spend time on character development? So you care for the people or do you want to get right into it? mean, we've both read books on both ends of that and I'd like both kinds, but there seems to be more payoff. You have a slow burn if you can get into it and really care for these people. Yes. Then it kind of sticks with you longer.  I guess that's my opinion as a writer because it's really hard because I'll go right in. just got told you need to get to the story faster. I just got told by that by an editor like, okay, I thought I had a nice gentle little segue into this story and now you want me to do something. I don't even know what you want me to do.  Yeah. So I appreciated her a little bit for the slow burn. Yeah, it was worthwhile. She did a good job of setting up those little coincidental meetings. For your first meeting, you think something is the way it is, and all of a sudden at the end of the book, oh, that really was a lot different because then you pull back a little bit and see what's going on around you. So her new little interest, her little Italian man. Yeah. Yeah. She wasn't too happy with him the first time she met him, but...  Things happen. Yeah, things definitely progressed. And it wasn't what I thought when I first met, but that's my favorite kind of book when they kind of pull back and tell you something you didn't know that I should have guessed. Yeah. And I like it when I can't guess. Yes. I'm horrible. Like plot lines. I'm like, I knew that was going to happen. I figured that out three chapters ago. You know, like, so I like when I'm... Be surprised. I like to be surprised. And...  Yeah, so this family tragedy ends up taking her from Lake Como, New Jersey. Jersey. To easy. We had to work on our. I mean, you do it. I apologize for everyone who's in Jersey. That's poor on my part. I'll let you get a free Minnesota one anytime. Yes, that's right. Takes her to Lake Como, Italy or Carrara, Italy. The business that she was working with her uncle who.  Jackie (13:26.268) who passed, they had been planning this trip and then she decided to take it upon herself to go anyway. So there's some question like, would she just stay back and run the business as is or would she actually take this trip to Italy to go to where they mined the marble? And it really set her off on a whole different journey. But then she also had a little, forgot the other  input that she kind of had, you know, FBI on her tail too, a little bit, which was kind of a little let's get out of Dodge quickly. Yeah. On her tail. don't know. Do you think the book needed that storyline? I don't think it was fleshed out. It kind of came in and out. Yeah. Didn't really produce a lot on it, but could have been more. I never thought she was going to go to jail. I never thought that that would come about. I didn't. I didn't either. And she didn't feel like she was going to go either for some reason. So  Yeah, I mean, but if it was a factor in getting her to Italy, I guess that probably is all the tie in that you really need. But sure, I'd go to Italy. You've been to Italy. So briefly, briefly, I want to go back. So let me know when you're ready. Let's go to Lake Como. I would definitely enjoy a little Lake Como at this point. Yes. Go hang out with George and Amal Khundi. Yeah, I'm sure we'll be right on their top of their list.  We are in their age bracket, so maybe. No, he's older than us. But we're too old for him. This is so true. So true. I did like finding out because she was a little bit of a pushover, like you said in the beginning. And you kind of wondered why, because she seemed like she had a lot of gumption at some point, or just she seemed like she was there, but she didn't know it. I don't know. Then to come to find out after everything said and done and they did some  Her parents did some things to her that as a parent myself, having been in situations like that with my own kids, I'm like, I just could have never done that. Like that was wide out there, but by the end of the thing, you could see what they loved her. It was flawed for sure. Yes. But when it was first revealed that they took all of her college money that she earned herself and gave it to their son without telling her. Yeah. Without asking, without telling her. Just took all of her.  Jackie (15:53.935) for summer money. Yeah, that she had worked very hard for. She was there head down, head down, work hard, good work ethic, work, work, work, work, work. And then all of her money was gone. Yeah. Which I know I feel like I'm getting off on a tangent here, but again, just getting into those family dynamics. So is there, you know, is there, do most families have like the golden child or  the child that seems to get a little bit more than their siblings. I suppose our children would say that. But yeah, I always think that. I also wonder in this environment with this family, this big Italian family, if they did it because he was obviously the boy. It was the boy and the oldest. yeah, going to law school, going to law school, the double, you know, that was that was a double. They're on stream. They're going to a lawyer in the family. He was the oldest. Let's get him off and get him started. And then here's this youngest one that's like  Now she's just gonna have to work a job. Yeah. I don't know. They would have been on the island for a really long time.  Jackie (17:02.341) do come back. They seem to navigate that at the end a little bit, I, yeah, I would have been, that's not the lesson I would have wanted to teach my children. Right. I'm going to keep this from you. I'm going to take it from you and I'm going tell you what to do. It's like, want to, guess raising kids to be meant, you you want to make them ready for the world and give them as many tools as they can. So you gotta be honest and let them make their own decisions, not just do them all for them. But yeah, definitely don't take their money. Yeah. In case you're watching, I've never taken your money.  all yours all the time. can have any of mine if you want. And clearly mine is also yours. And always and always. So I did find that interesting when they came down to trying to justify what they're doing. They kind of revealed small little pieces to why they did this and you come to find out that she was a NICU baby and they were just very nervous for her and very overprotective of her. Which is  That's not how I felt at the beginning. I felt they disregarded her and just used them to get stuff done. And then along the way you find out they were very protective of her. didn't think that she was going to be able to do things on her own as much. she was this wheezy little kid that was having problems. so that was an interesting twist. Yeah. And maybe one way to keep her tied so closely to them was for her to believe they were dependent on her.  And to some degree they were dependent on her, again, it gets into those interesting dynamics of a parent-child relationship. Yeah, I think back to when you get to the end, I love those flashbacks. I'm actually teaching flashbacks right now. They're a great device. And they talk about the basement that she lived in.  And I forgot some of those early scenes where they talked about her being parked next to a lawn mower that they parked inside. And it was basically a garage that they slapped a bed into and they said, you get to come stay with us. home. You don't have to worry about it. Like, oh my gosh. Yeah. Just picture like a dark damp basement with like one maybe hanging air bulb and you've got your lawn equipment over here. You probably had your washer and dryer down there and then like a bed.  Jackie (19:14.917) That's kind of what I imagined. And that's your home and you're 30. Yeah. And were they stairs or were they like a ladder? I couldn't tell you right. It wasn't very... It wasn't like nice stairs to get down. It was some sort of weird, like very steep. Interesting little thing. So when they go down, when they come back from Italy and they have to go back down to this basement, I think we get to see it through fresh eyes. And she realizes this is a really horrible way to live. And I did it for a long time for my folks. So then I find out, took my money. It's like...  That was a head scratcher and a head spinner for sure. Yeah. And then some, but those flashbacks help you figure out some stuff differently. Like I said, you back up, you pull back the lens a little bit and you get a little bigger picture. So you get a big picture of Louie's life too when they get over to Italy and you thought that Louie was, you know, all talk about this woman that he liked over there. You know, he's just young and he liked a woman in Italy and then he came home with a love of his life and then they...  They lived happily ever after for a long time. But they did not have children. They did not have children. Yes. Which probably explains his fondness for his niece and why they were very close. I think she was kind of their surrogate. Yeah, and she did. And they left the business to her. So they did appreciate her quite a bit. And she did do quite a bit. And if she only knew where all the money was, that would have been.  Uncle Louie in his car. Yes, uncle Louie in their car with some interesting stuff. So it was a fun book. It was a fun book just to have in two locations. Yeah, they did like the really nitty gritty Jersey stuff in the back and then this beautiful landscape of Italy. I felt like the author did a really nice job of taking us to both places and kind of painting that visual of what each place was like and  You know, the just, just to position. can't say that word. you know, that's a hard one. Just to positioning is Wednesday. So it's a hard word to say. Halfway through the week. I'm exhausted. But anyway, between the two Lake Como's, which was an interesting take. And then, know, the stuff in Jersey was good too, because it felt like any kind of neighborhood around here to do the same. If you're running down a neighborhood, you would have, you knew everybody on the block or you knew where you grew up. You grew up in the country, but you knew everybody lived in.  Jackie (21:39.267) The town next to you and the grocery store and you're not hiding from anybody. They all know you. Right. For better or worse. Better or worse, yes. Everybody knew who they were. As we're preparing for Halloween right now, I'm expecting a lot of people from the neighborhood coming to the house. One, I think two, there's a sense then of understanding old world versus new. mean, we all understand the United States is relatively  a young country and when you look at countries in Europe and across the world and you know, like those, are fast way of doing things. You know, everything's like quick, quick, quick versus kind of the old craft craftsmanship, you know, and the work that goes into something like now how they get the marble. How they actually got it off the mountain and how they carved it off and cleaved it. So you got really nice pieces. Yeah. It was.  It was very interesting, especially because we are, you know, such different nations, so many different states. So I could pick out things that were kind of similar here, which felt like home. And you want a cozy place to read from, but also little things like, well, I didn't know that's what happened. I didn't know that's what they ate. So I learned a little something too, like all the weird foods that they were eating. Yeah. For their gatherings. Yeah, we don't do that, but you know, cool. Well, and even like doing things at a slower pace, you know.  having dinner later, having dinner at a slower pace and sitting out in the piazza in middle of having nice little, you know, espresso and relaxing before you run to do everything was crazy walking everywhere. Yeah. Well, and how often do we like sit at a window and admire our view? I don't think I've done that recently. It's been a while. It has been a while. Yeah. Like we're in constant motion almost, or even if we are  sitting down, you know, usually we have our phone in our hand too. It you don't, you don't take as much time to just sit and be present. No. And I think she found some of that in Italy. Yeah. I was jealous of that part of the night when you can, you can feel her almost just let go and finally let it all go. Cause she's pretty ramped up by the time she gets over there. There's a lot that's happened to her. You know, she's runs into her husband again, ex-husband that brings back some memories and then an old classmate.  Jackie (24:04.428) Then of course, Louie going away and then having to come over here and then the bombshell with her parents. And there's just a lot of tension building up. And then she gets over there. It seems to just kind of really. Yeah. She finds a sense of calm. I know. And I thought I want that. Yeah. But you can take that. You just have to force it. You have to force yourself to sit still. that's hard. Good luck. We're we're.  Yes. Yes, I have learned that you do have to take time. Actually, I taught health today, eighth grade health. And my lesson was how to sleep to get good sleep. Because they always tease me about the middle of week. It's like, there's exhausted. go, man, so am I. Well, let's sleep in health class. I'll tell you the first half of the hour. I'm going to teach you about sleep and why it's important. And then the next half of the hour, we're going to practice sleep. Does that sound good? I go, yeah.  You're really less asleep. Oh, yeah, you don't do it very well as a generation. So better than us. I'll grant you that. So let's try it. And three quarters of the class fell asleep. Wow. They needed the sleep. I could tell actually by Wednesdays I've noticed recently they just need their exhausted. And then the other ones were just get the giddles and they can't sit still. It's like, it's really hard just to sit still. So I was teasing, well, you have to let your mind rest because it can't process everything. It's in constant motion. Right. So you have to figure out to take some time to just sit.  without a device, without lights, without distraction. And it was encouraging to see that, like I said, three quarters did. So that was a pretty healthy number. I would have loved you as my eighth grade teacher. you and I, I have a basketball hoop in my room. And guess we have some fun time.  I even had pillows and blankets that I had to pull away today because, you know, it's that time of the year where you gotta fumigate them. Just came through a stinky football season anyway. Sitting still is tough. I am fortunate enough to work in a Catholic school. So I have big words in my classroom that said, be still. I I'm God. And I basically tell them every day, you just need to be still. Just try 10 minutes of stillness with nothing else. And I think that would help America greatly. Just sit still.  Jackie (26:21.044) for 10 minutes a day, but. And I think that was one of the takeaways from the book too. think that's a good. I think so. It was interesting. I liked the way it was a nice, I call it a slow burn. wasn't a bodice ripping love story, but yet it was a slow build where you could see that it could go in a good direction for her and her new man. Yeah. I was. Softly and. Happy to see her find herself and, and find herself, especially on a path that I think.  would make her happy ultimately. Yes. Which actually I do have a quote from the book. It says the worst lies are the ones that we tell ourselves. Those lies keep us in jobs we hate. In marriages that suffocate us and in places where we cannot thrive. It takes guts to change. So true, because I think having to make a decision to go against your family, I mean at this point in.  the book with her. I mean, they're all she has left. You know, husband's gone. She doesn't have a career. She didn't get to go to college. She wanted to. She's had some opportunities that have gone by. Her business affairs are kind of up in the air because she doesn't know about the whole Uncle Louie thing. And what are you going to do? She took a big gutsy move. Yeah. Yes. I don't know if you, if you ever taken a big gutsy move in your life, but the times that I have, they've paid off what? But they're hard to do. Yes.  And I feel like there's sometimes there's a trade off, the payoff is worth it in the end. Yes. Getting out of your comfort zone, getting out of your comfort zone. This is out of my comfort zone. Yeah. Video is out of my comfort zone. I don't mind talking. I could talk forever. Ask my class. I can ramble, but it's the Scooby Doo eyes. Bear with us. We're newbies.  The scooby-doo eyes that get me, so I'm getting better at it. So the idea is out of your comfort zone, I can see that's the reason I did my latest book. It's like, let's just do it. And I'm going do everything I can do to figure out how to do it this time. And it's already bearing fruit, but it's been a lot of learning. Yeah. Putting a lot of pieces together at a time when I'm just tired. Got to keep following that path. Keep following it and keep going on. I agree. I agree.  Jackie (28:45.161) But I would definitely recommend the book. was an interesting landscape book. It took you some nice places, both in family and in actual physical places. It took you some really nice, I enjoyed it. Like I said, I was a little skeptical about the first quarter of the book. And then I really started getting into it and kind of embracing this character's journey. I like saying. And I've watched a lot of movies. don't know if you've watched movies. Family is a movie watching.  Maiden, oh we watched so many. But I got a moonstruck just stuck in my head every time I saw. I just thought someone was gonna come out of the woodwork and say snap out of it. Like Sheridan. To Nicholas Cage and like come on. And it's just the way they talk to each other in this book that was kind of fun too. was just, it was different. It was very Italian at front and in your face and very not timid. I mean she was, we say she's a timid character but they talk to each other just.  very freely. Yeah, there was there was a lot of humor and love. Yes. In the book. Which was kind of fun. So I would recommend it. Yes. And, know, I don't think anyone's family is perfect. So what? You know what I really thought after I got done, I thought this this book, The Marrying of the Two Lake Como versus Como.  is like getting married. I mean, when you get married, you acquire a whole new family and they're different. Even around here, we all think we're exactly the same. No family operates the same. And you have different ways that you celebrate everything. And the way you have different ways of talking about things that it takes time to get that to work in a marriage as far as bringing it all on in. Very true. Very interesting part. So good recommendation. The View from Lake Como.  I can't say her name. What's her name again? Adriana Taggiani. That was very beautiful. You said that really nicely with your Finnish time. Do you say Finnish names too? Because they're very hard to say. No, no, I actually do better with the Italian names. That is a very good, a very good one. And I'm going to plug my book because I just had new one coming out. And the reason I'm going to do it is because I read a line in here and I said, this made me feel so much like myself.  Jackie (31:07.678) And authors have their own moments too that you don't know about. You just don't know. So in my new book, I was like, my niece illustrated it. He went, so every time I read this out loud, it's a book about a cat. If you listen to other podcasts, I alluded to talk with a cat and yes, talk with a cat made it to a book finally. It's written in Haiku. I've got 24 of them in here. But when you're sitting down and you're trying to do illustrations, man, we did this page like 10 times. And  And it was all doofy things that you don't think about. So the verse itself is in haiku. So that's it means three line poems. The first line is five syllables, the second seven and the third five. So the whole thing is written that all the way through. And it was all because my children and I, honestly, this book was written because my children had a cat book called crazy cool cats. What are your kids? What do we got our first cat? And you're supposed to go through this notebook and X in which kind of cat you want.  or what their behavior was like, know, do you like a crazy cat? Do you like a cool cat? Do you like the cat sits? And at the end, it was supposed to tell you what kind of cat you're supposed to buy. So this is a result of that. So on this particular page, the verse is cat koo wakadoo, which I use all the time. My name is Taco the cat. I am fluffy fun. I like to dress up. Frankenstein is my favorite. Big bolts, black hair. So I like that part. But he's looking in a mirror and it's on separate pages.  So we went back and forth, arms up, arms down, arms up, down, arms this way, arms that way. And we were just laughing by the time we got done with this thing. Where, where do I put this poor Frankenstein arms? Not even think about that when I wrote it. We just had to illustrate it up. My favorite line of all time is my other book. Every time I read this one, I laugh because it rhymes. And at the very last page, it's about a little boy that doesn't want fall to go away, but his mom convinces him that summertime is good.  Spring is good and winter is awesome and it's coming so you should like winter. So on the very last page she's convinced him and she says, hearing the question mom said with the wink, my little John, I like the way you think. And she's winking at him. Okay, it's a cute little thing. But my illustrator, Megan Hagel, if you're watching this, goes, man, it took me a long time to do that. I couldn't tell if I was making her wink or making her look constipated. So every time I read this to kids, I call this the constipation page and I just can't help but giggle.  Jackie (33:27.325) Every time I read it to a preschooler, this is the page where she's pooping. Or trying to poop, but it's not happening. So you never know what the, in some of these lines that we're doing, I wonder what she was thinking too. And I always go there myself. like, I wonder where her mind was at. Where'd she get that one from? And go back and watch some of the videos of her interviews. She's a fun lady. She's a fun lady. think. Yeah. I think you would enjoy it. We'll give her a shot. We wanted to have a wonderful lemon tart to dessert because.  Lemons were everywhere as you attested to for how it was sent to Italy that it's an Italian. Lemons are big in Italy. I would like that because I love, actually lemon is my favorite, favorite, favorite of all time. In fact, my grandma used to me lemon meringue pie for my birthday because it was my favorite. I didn't have the heart to tell her that I hated the meringue, just like the lemon. So she was a great baker. So every year the meringue got higher and higher. Scoop it off the plate.  When she wasn't looking, I felt so bad. I love your lemon meringue, but I don't like the meringue. We should have hung out back then. would have eaten the double meringue. She was a double ring kind of baker. this was our test. We did. Well, we bought Tarlets. You are an awesome baker. So I'm sure you could have came up with something, but you know, working is really hard. And I have a few at my sleeve. have a few good ones at my sleeve. Lemon bars I do very well. So I could have whipped up some lemon bars.  or a cannoli. A tiramisu is easy to do. I almost considered before we recorded just stopping to get gelato because that was going to be my contribution to Italian desserts tonight. Well, that's very Italian and very, very good as well. So I thought this was a good visual. I like, I like like, yeah. Lemon tarts on the lemon yellow plate. There you go. And there's our book, The View on Lake Como. Good for the day. Till next time. Till next time.</itunes:keywords>
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      <title>Episode A - 2025 IN REVIEW</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Alexis and I discuss teaching literature and writing today as well as cover the following books: Hamnet by Maggie O'Farrell, book and movie; A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens, book, play, and movies (including Jim Carey, The Muppets, and Mickey's Christmas Carol adaptations); The Housemaid by Frieda McFadden - book and movie, Animal Farm by George Orwell, book and movies, and Atmosphere by Taylor Jenkins Reid. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Alexis and I discuss teaching literature and writing today as well as cover the following books: Hamnet by Maggie O'Farrell, book and movie; A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens, book, play, and movies (including Jim Carey, The Muppets, and Mickey's Christmas Carol adaptations); The Housemaid by Frieda McFadden - book and movie, Animal Farm by George Orwell, book and movies, and Atmosphere by Taylor Jenkins Reid. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2026 13:11:56 -0700</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Alexis and I discuss teaching literature and writing today as well as cover the following books: Hamnet by Maggie O'Farrell, book and movie; A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens, book, play, and movies (including Jim Carey, The Muppets, and Mickey's Christmas Carol adaptations); The Housemaid by Frieda McFadden - book and movie, Animal Farm by George Orwell, book and movies, and Atmosphere by Taylor Jenkins Reid. </p>]]>
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      <title>Epidsode Two: The Women by Kristin Hannah</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we tackle Kristin Hanna's The Women. We also discuss Dylan Thomas's " Do Not Go Gently Into That Good Night and my poem, Gentle Sets the Sun, as well as specialty pizza pies!</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>In this episode, we tackle Kristin Hanna's The Women. We also discuss Dylan Thomas's " Do Not Go Gently Into That Good Night and my poem, Gentle Sets the Sun, as well as specialty pizza pies!</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 18 Mar 2026 18:30:27 -0700</pubDate>
      <author>J.S. Jenson and Just Kim</author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Summer Beach Reads: The Five Star Weekend by Elin Hilderbrand and Just For the Summer by Abby Jimenez. Foods, friends, and sights of Minneapolis.</p><p>Atlantic Beach Pie<br><strong>Ingredients</strong></p><ul><li>1 1/2 cups finely crushed saltine crackers (from 1 sleeve, about 37 crackers)</li><li>6 Tbsp. unsalted butter, melted </li><li>3 Tbsp. granulated sugar</li><li>1 large egg white, lightly beaten</li><li>1 (14-oz.) can sweetened condensed milk</li><li>4 large egg yolks</li><li>1/4 cup fresh lime juice (from 2 large limes)</li><li>1/4 cup fresh lemon juice (from 2 lemons)</li><li>1 1/2 cups heavy whipping cream</li><li>1/4 cup powdered sugar</li><li>Lemon and lime zests, for garnish</li></ul><p><br><strong>Directions</strong></p><p>Crust:</p><p>Preheat oven to 350°F. Stir together crushed crackers, melted butter, sugar, and egg white in a medium bowl until combined. Transfer the mixture to a 9-inch glass pie plate; firmly press it into the bottom and sides. Freeze for 10 minutes. Bake in preheated oven until crust is lightly browned, about 20 minutes. Transfer to a wire rack and cool slightly for about 10 minutes.</p><p><br>Pie Filling:<br>Whisk together condensed milk and egg yolks until smooth. Whisk in lime juice and lemon juice until combined. Pour the lime mixture into the warm crust. Bake at 350°F until the center is just set, about 15 minutes. Transfer to a wire rack; cool 1 hour. Refrigerate until chilled, about 2 hours. Top with whipped cream.</p><p><br></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Summer Beach Reads: The Five Star Weekend by Elin Hilderbrand and Just For the Summer by Abby Jimenez. Foods, friends, and sights of Minneapolis.</p><p>Atlantic Beach Pie<br><strong>Ingredients</strong></p><ul><li>1 1/2 cups finely crushed saltine crackers (from 1 sleeve, about 37 crackers)</li><li>6 Tbsp. unsalted butter, melted </li><li>3 Tbsp. granulated sugar</li><li>1 large egg white, lightly beaten</li><li>1 (14-oz.) can sweetened condensed milk</li><li>4 large egg yolks</li><li>1/4 cup fresh lime juice (from 2 large limes)</li><li>1/4 cup fresh lemon juice (from 2 lemons)</li><li>1 1/2 cups heavy whipping cream</li><li>1/4 cup powdered sugar</li><li>Lemon and lime zests, for garnish</li></ul><p><br><strong>Directions</strong></p><p>Crust:</p><p>Preheat oven to 350°F. Stir together crushed crackers, melted butter, sugar, and egg white in a medium bowl until combined. Transfer the mixture to a 9-inch glass pie plate; firmly press it into the bottom and sides. Freeze for 10 minutes. Bake in preheated oven until crust is lightly browned, about 20 minutes. Transfer to a wire rack and cool slightly for about 10 minutes.</p><p><br>Pie Filling:<br>Whisk together condensed milk and egg yolks until smooth. Whisk in lime juice and lemon juice until combined. Pour the lime mixture into the warm crust. Bake at 350°F until the center is just set, about 15 minutes. Transfer to a wire rack; cool 1 hour. Refrigerate until chilled, about 2 hours. Top with whipped cream.</p><p><br></p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2026 10:05:59 -0700</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>J.S. Jenson and Just Kim</itunes:author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Summer Beach Reads: The Five Star Weekend by Elin Hilderbrand and Just For the Summer by Abby Jimenez. Foods, friends, and sights of Minneapolis.</p><p>Atlantic Beach Pie<br><strong>Ingredients</strong></p><ul><li>1 1/2 cups finely crushed saltine crackers (from 1 sleeve, about 37 crackers)</li><li>6 Tbsp. unsalted butter, melted </li><li>3 Tbsp. granulated sugar</li><li>1 large egg white, lightly beaten</li><li>1 (14-oz.) can sweetened condensed milk</li><li>4 large egg yolks</li><li>1/4 cup fresh lime juice (from 2 large limes)</li><li>1/4 cup fresh lemon juice (from 2 lemons)</li><li>1 1/2 cups heavy whipping cream</li><li>1/4 cup powdered sugar</li><li>Lemon and lime zests, for garnish</li></ul><p><br><strong>Directions</strong></p><p>Crust:</p><p>Preheat oven to 350°F. Stir together crushed crackers, melted butter, sugar, and egg white in a medium bowl until combined. Transfer the mixture to a 9-inch glass pie plate; firmly press it into the bottom and sides. Freeze for 10 minutes. Bake in preheated oven until crust is lightly browned, about 20 minutes. Transfer to a wire rack and cool slightly for about 10 minutes.</p><p><br>Pie Filling:<br>Whisk together condensed milk and egg yolks until smooth. Whisk in lime juice and lemon juice until combined. Pour the lime mixture into the warm crust. Bake at 350°F until the center is just set, about 15 minutes. Transfer to a wire rack; cool 1 hour. Refrigerate until chilled, about 2 hours. Top with whipped cream.</p><p><br></p>]]>
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