AFTERWORDS: A Riverview Church Podcast

We Won't Move On

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 06 May 2026 05:00:00 -0400

This episode of the AfterWords Podcast digs deeper into Noel's recent sermon from 2 Corinthians 8 and 9, exploring the tension between cheerful giving, pressure, and spiritual formation. Jason and Noel talk about what it’s like to preach the same passage years later in a completely different context, why generosity is more about grace than obligation, and how habits of giving shape our hearts over time. The conversation also wrestles with practical questions from college students about cultivating generosity when resources feel limited, and what it would look like for the church to truly function as a “currency of grace” community.

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I Want to Talk About Dragons

Alex McGraw, Jordan Allen, James Granger, Justin Detmers, Tony Pyle — Wed, 29 Apr 2026 14:43:34 -0400

In this episode, Alex sits down with James, Tony, Justin, and Jordan (in his first appearance as a Riv Pastor) to reflect on a weekend focused on stewardship and an eternal mindset. The conversation weaves together Jordan’s pastoral recognition, the growth of the MSU venue, and the deeper tension of what it means to live as if nothing we have is truly ours. The group explores how money, time, and habits quietly shape us—often exposing where we place our security—and why obedience rarely waits for perfect motives. Finally, they wrestle with awareness versus action, the challenge of forming better patterns over time, and how an eternal perspective can bring peace to present pressures.

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The Best Conversation You'll Never Hear

Riverview Church — Wed, 29 Apr 2026 06:42:40 -0400

Alex had a great conversation this morning with Jordan, Justin, Tony, and James, but due to a technical glitch, it didn't get recorded. It really was a great conversation, though, you're just going to have to take my word for it. We're working on the possibility of dragging them all back into the studio and making them do it over again, or maybe something a little bit less onerous. If that happens, we'll drop it in the feed. Otherwise, we'll be back next week.

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Just Run the Other Way

Alex McGraw, Tony Pyle, James Granger, Hezekiah Trevino, Jon Kenney — Wed, 22 Apr 2026 05:00:00 -0400

In this episode, Alex sits down with James, Tony, Hezekiah, and Jon to unpack a weekend of messages centered on contentment and the tension between ambition, wealth, and faith. The conversation explores how desire shapes our lives, why contentment is something learned rather than found, and how both scarcity and abundance can pull us away from trusting Christ. Drawing from Scripture, personal stories, and cultural observations, they examine the subtle ways discontentment shows up—from everyday comforts to deeper questions of identity and security. The group also reflects on how community, perspective, and lived experience help re-anchor our hearts in what actually lasts.

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Riverview Has a River

Alex McGraw, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 15 Apr 2026 12:51:36 -0400

In this Episode, Alex talks with Noel about what turned out to be a chaotic but revealing weekend, as a flooded auditorium at the Holt Venue forced us to scatter across venues and live out its “one house, many rooms” identity in real time. From there, the conversation turns to the launch of the Rivals series, where Jesus Christ teaching about money as a competing master becomes the focus. Noel reflects on the difficulty of confronting money as a “rival god,” both personally and pastorally, and the subtle ways it shapes fear, anxiety, and decision-making. The discussion highlights how easily people miss or deflect these challenges, and why self-awareness is the real goal of the series. By the end, the episode frames the deeper question: what do we actually trust, and what are we afraid to lose?

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We Didn't Get You a Helicopter

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen, Jordan Allen — Wed, 08 Apr 2026 05:00:00 -0400

Jason sits down with Noel and Jordan to unpack Easter weekend, from the challenge of preaching to a mixed crowd of regular attenders, first-time guests, and “Christmas and Easter” visitors to the joy of seeing lives changed through baptism. They reflect on why the Easter message does not need a fresh twist as much as it needs a clear, faithful retelling, and they compare the different ways Noel and Jordan approached that same central question: Is it worth it to follow Jesus?

The conversation also highlights what has made the MSU venue so remarkable this year, especially the clarity students are finding in following Jesus and the unusual number of baptisms that have come from that community. At the end, they talk about Jordan entering the final stage of the elder process and what it means for Riverview to recognize someone God has already shaped for pastoral ministry.

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Just Ordinary Faithfulness

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 01 Apr 2026 05:00:00 -0400

In this episode of AfterWords, Jason and Noel wrap up the church’s long journey through Acts and reflect on what surprised them most about the One More series, especially the way it captured the imagination of the church and led to more than 200 baptisms (including this upcoming Easter weekend). They talk about the intentionally unresolved ending of Acts, whether Paul ever actually got his audience with Caesar, and why Luke may have chosen to leave the story hanging. The conversation also digs into two of the message’s most compelling ideas: how sin can become something we love too much to let go of, and why the mission of Jesus is sustained not by hype but by ordinary faithfulness. They close by reflecting on Riverview’s deeper sense of calling and the “hope of Israel” that still pulsed through Paul’s heart even in chains.

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I Aggressively Love Cruises

Alex McGraw, James Granger, Tony Pyle, Hezekiah Trevino, Jordan Allen — Wed, 25 Mar 2026 07:33:38 -0400

This episode of AfterWords unpacks Acts 27 through a lively group conversation about cruises, storms, and what it means to trust God when life feels out of control. Alex is joined by Jordan, Tony, Hez, and James, and they explore how God’s sovereignty and human responsibility meet in the middle of suffering, and why Paul’s confidence rested not in calm circumstances but in God’s promises. The conversation moves from theology to pastoral wisdom, with thoughtful reflections on perseverance, community, and the passages each of them returns to for courage. It is a rich and surprisingly funny discussion about what it looks like to cling to what is true when the storm does not stop.

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Schrodinger's Salvation

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 18 Mar 2026 05:00:00 -0400

Jason talks with Noel about Paul’s trial before Agrippa and what it reveals about purpose in difficult circumstances. Noel explains how Paul’s situation wasn’t just something to escape, but a position God was using, even when the outcome was uncertain. The conversation explores the tension of interpreting narrative Scripture without turning it into a formula, while still drawing meaningful principles. They also clarify “works worthy of repentance” as the natural result of a changed mind, not a way to earn salvation. The episode closes with a practical challenge: to actively look for gospel opportunities, even when they interrupt your plans.

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He's Doing a Lot of Math

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 11 Mar 2026 05:00:00 -0400

In this episode of AfterWords, Jason and Noel talk through a passage in Acts that initially felt “administrative,” but unexpectedly resonated with many people who feel like life is heading in the wrong direction. Their conversation centers on the tension between God’s promises and the long seasons of waiting that often come before those promises are fulfilled. They reflect on how God’s faithfulness is often hidden inside ordinary events rather than dramatic miracles, and why trusting God’s character matters when the timeline doesn’t make sense. They also look at Paul’s steady focus on the resurrection—even during two years in prison—and what that persistence teaches about living with eternity in view.

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You Don’t Have a Case

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 04 Mar 2026 14:42:36 -0500

Jason sits down with Noel to unpack the weekend message from Acts, starting with Noel’s brand-new status as a grandfather and ending with a deeper look at how Paul navigated conflict and opposition. The conversation explores why fear often leads people to silence, how to “drop the temperature” in difficult conversations, and what it looks like to speak about faith naturally instead of treating people like projects. They also dig into Paul’s surprising shrewdness—how wisdom, situational awareness, and pure motives can work together in service of the gospel. The result is a practical conversation about curiosity, conviction, and how to make Jesus believable in everyday interactions.

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I Am Outside of the Trunk

Jason Aten, Hezekiah Trevino, James Granger, Justin Detmers, Jordan Allen — Wed, 25 Feb 2026 05:48:38 -0500

In this episode, Jason and the teaching team unpack the tension in Acts 21 around Paul’s decision to go to Jerusalem despite repeated warnings of suffering. They explore whether anyone was “wrong,” how to interpret prophecy faithfully, and what it means to test our understanding of suffering rather than avoid it. The conversation moves into the difference between contextualizing the gospel and compromising it, and why faithfulness does not guarantee comfort or acceptance.

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He Just Keeps Going

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle, James Granger, Jordan Allen, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 18 Feb 2026 05:00:00 -0500

In this episode, Jason sits down with Tony, James, Jordan, and Hezekiah to unpack Acts 20, including Paul’s farewell to the Ephesian elders and the late-night gathering where Eutychus falls from a window. They reflect on what it reveals about the early church’s rhythms, Paul’s long obedience to his mission, and what it means to say, “my life is of no value to myself.” The conversation also explores leadership under pressure, cultural engagement without outrage, and why winning hearts matters more than winning arguments.

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The Ice Buckets Came Out

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 11 Feb 2026 05:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the Afterwards Podcast, Jason and Noel unpack Acts 19, focusing on what it means to have an incomplete understanding of faith and why the Holy Spirit matters in the life of a believer. They explore baptism—where it came from, what it signifies, and why belief in Jesus comes before having everything figured out. The conversation widens to the idea of the gospel not just changing individuals, but destabilizing entire cities, as seen in Ephesus. The episode closes with reflections on discipleship, identity, and how lasting change takes shape over time.

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Healthy Dose of Imposter Syndrome

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 04 Feb 2026 05:00:00 -0500

In this episode, Jason and Noel unpack the sermon from Acts 18, moving behind the scenes to talk about sermon prep, manuscripts, teleprompters, and why experienced pastors still feel panic before preaching. Noel reflects on imposter syndrome as a possible means of grace, how God works through weakness, and why humility and confidence often coexist in faithful leadership. The conversation also explores Priscilla and Aquila, bi-vocational ministry, and the powerful role ordinary faithfulness—like opening your home—plays in God’s mission. Throughout the episode, they emphasize that God’s purposes are not fragile and do not depend on perfect people.

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Poor Random Jason

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 28 Jan 2026 04:00:00 -0500

Jason and Noel dive into Acts 17, exploring how Paul masterfully adapted his message to different audiences without compromising the Gospel. They discuss the tension of maintaining a "cross-eyed" perspective—holding fast to Scripture while remaining culturally fluent—and address listener questions about idols and engaging with secular art. The conversation also highlights the importance of becoming a "digital Berean" by prioritizing the Bible over YouTube algorithms and online opinions.

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It Was Actually Aliens

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle, James Granger, Jordan Allen, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 21 Jan 2026 04:00:00 -0500

This week, Jason talks with all four teachers to unpack one of the most layered stretches in Acts, where a single passage could have turned into a dozen different sermons. The conversation explores how pastors decide what to emphasize, how audience and venue shape application, and why disagreement, blocked plans, and hardship can still be part of God’s direction. The group digs into Paul and Barnabas’s conflict, the Spirit’s surprising guidance, and the tension between freedom and faithfulness in the prison narrative. It’s a candid look at how ministry stays faithful to the text while navigating real people, real limits, and real pressure.

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I Actually Vibe With That

Alex McGraw, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 14 Jan 2026 05:00:00 -0500

Alex fills in for Jason again and dives deep with Noel into Acts 15 and why it represents a pivotal, make-or-break moment for the early church. Noel unpacks how the Jerusalem Council wrestled with grace, law, unity, and cultural difference, and why that tension still matters today. The conversation explores how good preferences can quietly turn into expectations and even requirements, often without us noticing. They also reflect on leadership, liberty, and what it really looks like to protect the gospel without flattening people’s cultures or consciences.

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Refusing to Match Our Algorithm

Alex McGraw, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 07 Jan 2026 15:04:32 -0500

In this episode, Noel and Alex dive into the challenges of living authentically in a culture that often tries to "neutralize" the edges of Jesus to fit a personal or social algorithm. They discuss the biblical account of Paul in Lystra, exploring what it means to truly deny oneself and prioritize Christ over the modern idols of politics, money, and comfort. The conversation also touches on the cost of vulnerability in leadership and practical ways to break free from the digital discipleship of social media.

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Interruption Is God’s plan

Jason Aten, James Granger, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 31 Dec 2025 05:00:00 -0500

Jason sits down with Hezekiah and James to debrief Christmas Eve at the venues and talk about what made the night feel like a full-family celebration. From there, the conversation moves into Acts 13, including the very real geography of Paul’s journey and why seeing “scripture in stone” changes how you read the text. They wrestle with how the early church balanced planning with Spirit-led pivots, and why resistance does not automatically mean you’re off track.

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Literally at the Crossroads

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle, James Granger — Wed, 24 Dec 2025 05:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the AfterWords Podcast, Jason sits down with Tony and James to talk through their Acts messages, starting with the church in Syrian Antioch as a strategic, multicultural “launching pad” for the gospel. They trace how persecution in Acts repeatedly backfires on the opponents of the church and becomes “rocket fuel” for the spread of Jesus’ message, often through unnamed believers. The conversation turns to Acts 12 and the question everyone asks: why James is executed while Peter is rescued, and how to hold grief and God’s sovereignty in the same hand. They finish with Herod’s downfall, “glory theft,” and what it looks like to redirect praise in a way that’s real, not performative.

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Everybody Lost Their Minds

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 17 Dec 2025 06:51:25 -0500

Jason and Noel unpack a pivotal passage in Acts where baptism, obedience, and the gospel’s expansion collide in real time. They talk through Riverview’s decision to offer spontaneous baptisms whenever they appear in Acts and share stories of lives changed on the spot. The conversation widens to Peter, Cornelius, and the uncomfortable work of letting go of deeply held beliefs when God does something new. Along the way, they reflect on why this moment may be one of the most important turning points in the entire book of Acts.

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Dead Things Don’t do Anything

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle, Jordan Allen, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 10 Dec 2025 05:00:00 -0500

In this conversation, Jason talks with Tony, Jordan, and Hezekiah, and unpacks Acts 9:32–10:8. They start by exploring how each wrestled with finding the “thread” that ties together a set of seemingly disconnected stories. They discuss the purpose of miracles, why they often weren’t for the person healed, and how that shapes the way we think about suffering and unanswered prayer today. The group dives into the parallels between Peter’s actions and Jesus’ ministry, the communal nature of intercession, and the challenge of teaching passages that act as narrative “pivot points.” Along the way, they debate Christmas movies, getting canceled, and whether Peter knew what was about to happen when he cleared the room.

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This Thing Is Real

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 03 Dec 2025 06:39:10 -0500

In this episode, Jason and Noel unpack Saul’s surprising transformation in Acts 9, exploring how a man who seemed spiritually flawless—and deeply dangerous—could be so radically redirected by Jesus. They discuss Saul’s early influence, his role in the persecution of the church, and why his conversion required such extraordinary trust from the first believers. Noel explains how Scripture frames misguided zeal, suffering, and transformation, offering a lens for understanding both ancient and modern examples of dramatic faith change. The conversation closes with reflections on skepticism, influencer culture, and how genuine encounters with Jesus still overturn expectations.

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Came Dry, Left Soggy

Jason Aten, Justin Detmers, Tony Pyle, Jordan Allen — Wed, 26 Nov 2025 05:00:00 -0500

This episode of the Afterwards Podcast starts with a lighthearted debate about Christmas decorations—real vs. fake trees, timing, and “country living”—before pivoting into a deeper conversation about two consecutive weeks of baptisms across Riverview’s venues. Jason, Tony, Justin, and Jordan share stories of planned and spontaneous baptisms, including students at MSU, families driving in from out of state, and people who responded in the moment.

From there, they unpack Acts 8 and Philip’s encounter with the Ethiopian man, exploring how quickly the gospel begins to reach “the ends of the earth” in ways that don’t always look obvious or spectacular. They also talk about how to discern when God is prompting you to do something, how to “test” those promptings with Scripture, community, and wisdom, and what it means to be faithful in seemingly small moments that God can turn into deep transformation. They close with a behind-the-scenes look at how they handled the more complex parts of the passage (like the eunuch) and how they think about sermon titles, tone, and what does—or doesn’t—make it into a Sunday message.

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The Shadowy Figure

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 19 Nov 2025 05:00:00 -0500

This week, Noel recaps a whirlwind weekend that included church planters, Harley rides, and the unexpected guest star of the morning: a spider swimming in his water cup. Jason and Noel unpack the message from Acts 8, exploring why Philip went to a place everyone assumed was irredeemable—and how God upended those assumptions. They dive into persecution, joy, baptism, Simon the Sorcerer, and why early Christians scattered and preached instead of hiding. Along the way, they touch on wacky preaching moments, revival, and why no one is beyond redemption.

When Do We Go Back to Normal?

Alex McGraw and Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 12 Nov 2025 07:07:08 -0500

In this episode of the Afterwards Podcast, Alex and Noel talk about the message from Acts 7 and how Stephen’s boldness, forgiveness, and faith in the face of death challenge believers today. Noel explains how Stephen’s sermon before the Sanhedrin exposed Israel’s history of resisting God’s work, connecting it to how the church today must fight comfort and remain open to being sent out. They discuss Riverview’s history of church planting, the tension between nostalgia and next-generation ministry, and how forgiveness—like Stephen’s final prayer—is about releasing others even when they don’t repent. The episode ends with a call to consider participating in church planting and a reminder that humility and forgiveness keep us from getting in God’s way.

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The Thing Behind the Thing

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 05 Nov 2025 05:00:00 -0500

In this episode of the AfterWords Podcast, Jason and Noel unpack Acts 6, where rapid growth in the early church led to tension, complaints, and the creation of a new leadership structure. They discuss how the apostles handled the challenge of unmet needs without losing focus on prayer and preaching, and how that model still shapes church life today. The conversation ranges from coffee cleanups to deacon roles, trust, leadership, and the humanity that inevitably comes with growth. It’s a practical, down-to-earth look at how systems and people work together in the body of Christ.

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Then the Angel Shows Up

Jason Aten, James Granger, Jordan Allen, Tony Pyle — Wed, 29 Oct 2025 07:14:48 -0400

This week on the AfterWords Podcast, Jason sits down with Jordan, Tony, and James to talk about Acts 5 and what it means to obey God rather than people. They unpack what faithful obedience looks like when authority and conviction collide, how the apostles found joy in suffering, and why Gamaliel’s words still echo in the church today. Along the way, they imagine the Book of Acts as an action movie, debate who would direct it, and wrestle with what real persecution and faithfulness look like in 2025.

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Still Smell Like Smoke

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 22 Oct 2025 06:24:39 -0400

Jason and Noel open with a conversation about Riv’s decision to stop passing the red buckets. They unpack why the shift lowers guilt, improves service flow, and still calls people to conviction-driven generosity even if the budget dips. From Acts 4–5 they contrast Ananias and Sapphira’s deceit with Jesus’ generosity, argue that every sin is foremost against God, and urge us to more loosely hold our possessions. They finish by talking about the “Peter’s shadow” verses and why that section didn’t make the sermon.

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A Pittance Compared to Glory

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 15 Oct 2025 05:56:45 -0400

Jason and Noel talk about Acts 4, beginning with a running pineapple-pizza joke that frames a larger point about unity and “buckets of belief” (orthodoxy vs. preferences) and why many church fights are trivial. The episode contrasts American discomfort with real persecution abroad and argues that bold witness grows from re-scaling our “pittance” of suffering against the “weight of glory.” Practical boldness starts small: tell someone the name of your “One More,” invite them, and let that accountability fuel your courage. They also spotlight Riverview’s local strategic partners, and Noel's "one thing that didn't make the message" takes an unexpected turn.

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We're Gonna Keep Talking

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 08 Oct 2025 07:13:34 -0400

In this episode of The AfterWords Podcast, Jason and Noel start lightheartedly—with new Riverview merch and some good-natured teasing—before diving deep into Acts 4. They explore how Peter and John’s boldness before the Sadducees reveals the tension between human control and divine truth, and how the Holy Spirit empowers ordinary people to speak with extraordinary courage. The conversation unpacks civil disobedience, spiritual gifts, and why the Sadducees’ obsession with control feels surprisingly modern.

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Flow Through and Flow Out

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 01 Oct 2025 05:00:00 -0400

In this episode of the Afterwards Podcast, Jason and Noel dive into a message from Acts 3 that sparked more feedback than usual. They discuss why the early church’s devotion in Acts 2:42 wasn’t meant to be an end but a launching point for sharing Jesus outside the walls of the church. The conversation explores the river-versus-lake metaphor, how to recognize and engage with people in everyday places, and the tension between faith, evangelism, and meeting real needs. Along the way, Noel reflects on evangelism as both a gift and a calling, and shares practical ways to have conversations that point toward Jesus.

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Led by Mission First

Jason Aten, James Granger, Tony Pyle, Justin Detmers — Wed, 24 Sep 2025 06:57:09 -0400

This week on the Afterwards podcast, Jason sits down with Tony, Justin, and James to reflect on Acts 2:42–47 and how the early church compares with our modern experience of church. The conversation covers everything from the romanticized view of the first-century church to the challenges of living out devotion, fellowship, and mission in today’s culture. They talk about why community is necessary, how distractions and individualism pull us away, and what it looks like to stay devoted together. Along the way, there’s humor, a mea culpa, and plenty of practical reflection on what it means to be the church now.

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Just More on Quantum Mechanics

Jason Aten, Jordan Allen, James Granger, Tony Pyle, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 17 Sep 2025 05:00:00 -0400

This week’s episode of Afterwards brings together five teachers for a wide-ranging conversation on Peter’s first recorded sermon in Acts 2. The group unpacks how Luke recorded the message, what it means that “with many other words” Peter kept going, and how oral tradition and the Spirit’s inspiration shape our understanding of scripture. They also wrestle with whether baptism is part of salvation, how preachers should respond to heavy cultural events, and why the gospel always remains the central focus. Along the way, they share stories of recent baptisms, moments of hope, and the challenge of preaching faithfully in difficult times.

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Gotta Bring Back The Holy Ghost

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 10 Sep 2025 06:21:03 -0400

In this episode of the Afterwards Podcast, Jason and Noel record from Jacksonville, Florida while attending a conference. They unpack what it really means for a church to be Pentecostal—united in prayer, empowered by the Spirit, and focused on the gospel. The conversation dives into common confusions about the Holy Spirit, speaking in tongues, and how spiritual gifts function in the church today. Along the way, they draw connections from Pentecost to cultural engagement, the Tower of Babel, and what it means to speak the language of the next generation.

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Promptings, Whispers, and Voices

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 03 Sep 2025 06:38:34 -0400

In this episode of the AfterWords Podcast, Jason and Noel dive into Acts 1:12–26 and wrestle with what it means to find meaning in a passage that at first seems sparse. They unpack how the disciples responded after seeing the risen Jesus face to face, why replacing Judas mattered, and how Scripture plus prayer gave them a plan. Along the way, they discuss the role of the Holy Spirit, the dangers of misusing verses, and what it means for the church today to be continually united in prayer. The conversation blends humor, theology, and practical insight—including chainsaws, unfinished summer projects, and even the awkward question of “who’s Peter?”

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One More Time

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 27 Aug 2025 07:07:42 -0400

In this episode of AfterWords, Jason and Noel reflect on the launch of Riverview’s new teaching series, called One More. They talk about "why Acts?" as well as the excitement of returning to Michigan State’s campus with a packed service. They also discuss the vision behind the “One More” theme, the unstoppable story of the church in Acts, and the role of eyewitnesses and the Holy Spirit in shaping bold faith. They also explore tough questions about martyrdom, baptism, and why churches often talk less about the Spirit.

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Kind of Like Ninja Warriors

Jason Aten, James Granger — Wed, 20 Aug 2025 06:18:56 -0400

In this episode of AfterWords, Jason and James reflect on the final message of the Upvote series, which explored the ultimate question: what happens after we die? They discuss how the Bible speaks to eternity, heaven, and misconceptions about the afterlife, and why it can be so difficult for us to grasp eternal realities. The conversation ranges from the challenges of teaching topical sermons to the hope of resurrection, the tension between grief and joy, and the comfort of Paul’s words about being “at home with the Lord.” Finally, they consider how an eternal perspective reshapes how we live right now.

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This Ain't It

Jason Aten, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 13 Aug 2025 05:00:00 -0400

In this episode of AfterWords, Jason sits down with Hezekiah to unpack his recent message from Acts 17, where Paul addresses the people of Athens about the “unknown god.” They discuss what sets Christianity apart from other religions, why the difference is ultimately about Jesus, and how to navigate conversations in a world full of competing beliefs. They explore Paul’s approach to evangelism, the importance of relationship over religion, and how to speak to people who are turned off by the label “Christianity.” Plus, Jason gets the backstory on Hezekiah's amazing cereal-box “Word-Os” shirt.

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An Overly Simplistic View

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 06 Aug 2025 08:41:48 -0400

In this episode of AfterWords, Jason and Noel dive into a challenging and often controversial topic: the biblical distinctions between men and women. They reflect on the message from the weekend, discuss the cultural and theological tensions surrounding gender roles, and explore why Riverview Church holds a complementarian view. From clapping quirks to 10,000-word sermon drafts, they unpack the seriousness, the nuance, and even the joy found in this conversation. Plus, Noel shares the best question he got all weekend—and why it caught him off guard.

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They're Not Patient With Us

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle — Wed, 30 Jul 2025 05:00:00 -0400

In this episode of the AfterWords podcast, Jason and Tony unpack the sermon about emotions and explore the role they play in our spiritual lives. From World Emoji Day to the writings of Paul, they reflect on how emotions are both a gift from God and a battleground between flesh and spirit. The conversation touches on anxiety, anger, joy, and how scripture helps us process and respond to emotions in healthy, gospel-centered ways. With honest reflections and practical wisdom, they remind us that emotions are gauges—not guides—and that spiritual habits and godly community are key to navigating them well.

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Borrowing Trouble

Alex McGraw, James Granger — Wed, 23 Jul 2025 08:15:20 -0400

This week on the Afterwards Podcast, Alex and Pastor James unpack the intersection of faith, mental health, and physical well-being, reflecting on Elijah’s breakdown and the tender response of God. James shares personal experiences with anxiety, grief, and PTSD, and explores how we can live whole lives by stewarding our minds, bodies, and souls. The conversation touches on addiction, gluttony, rhythms of rest, and the importance of scripture and community in navigating struggle.

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Gleefully Inconsistent Theology

Alex McGraw, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 16 Jul 2025 06:59:36 -0400

In this episode of the AfterWords podcast, Alex McGraw sits down with Pastor Noel to explore one of the most theologically loaded and emotionally charged questions in Christianity: Does God choose us, or do we choose Him? They unpack the mystery of God’s sovereignty and human free will through the story of Jonah, salsa dancing, motorcycles, and the butterfly effect. Along the way, they discuss how this tension brings comfort, how our failures fit into God’s plan, and why embracing mystery is often more faithful than forcing certainty. It’s a conversation that will make you laugh, think deeply, and maybe even rethink your theology—gleefully inconsistently, of course.

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Broken Handles

Jason Aten, Jordan Allen — Wed, 09 Jul 2025 07:45:44 -0400

This week, Jason sits down with Jordan to discuss his message on the history and purpose of Christian denominations. Using Jordan’s extensive shoe collection as a metaphor, they explore how different "brands" of Christianity can all be valid while having distinct philosophies. They also cover RIV's non-denominational status, how the church maintains theological accountability, and how to approach conversations with people from different faith backgrounds.

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The More Ordinary Ways

Riverview Church — Wed, 02 Jul 2025 12:32:11 -0400

In this episode of AfterWords, Jason sits down with Justin to unpack the message with the most listener questions ever, on the topic of spiritual warfare. They explore what was left out of the sermon (by design), why people tend to over-credit Satan for their struggles, and how to see and counter the enemy’s work not just in the extraordinary, but in the everyday. They also talk about mental health, the influence of ideology, and why C.S. Lewis’ Screwtape Letters might be the most chillingly insightful book he ever wrote.

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A Regular Dose

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle — Wed, 25 Jun 2025 05:00:00 -0400

In this episode of AfterWords, Jason and Tony kick off the new “Upvote” series by reflecting on the topic of doubt—and why it doesn’t have to be the enemy of faith. They explore the difference between honest, faithful doubt and the kind that leads to apathy or isolation. Drawing from personal experience, scripture, and Gary Habermas’s framework on doubt, Tony shares practical ways to “diagnose your doubt” and move toward deeper trust in God. They also touch on the importance of community, the dangers of apathy, and how even when our faith feels small, the object of that faith remains strong.

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A Year-Round Griller

Jason Aten, James Granger, Tony Pyle, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 18 Jun 2025 08:01:44 -0400

In this Father’s Day episode of The AfterWords Podcast, Jason sits down with Hezekiah, Tony, and James to reflect on the sacred calling of fatherhood. They talk about what it means to reflect the heart of God as a dad, how their own experiences as fathers shape their understanding of God’s love, and the challenges of being present, not perfect. From grilled kebabs to deep conversations about cultural portrayals of dads, this honest and encouraging conversation speaks to every stage of parenting.

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Not a Small Thing

Jason Aten, Justin Detmers, Tony Pyle, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 11 Jun 2025 07:16:33 -0400

This episode of AfterWords dives into one of the most challenging and deeply personal topics yet: what to do when family hurts. Jason sits down with Justin, Hezekiah, and Tony to talk through the message on forgiveness, boundaries, and the complexities of family wounds. Together, they explore how pastors approach such emotionally charged topics with both empathy and truth, and how forgiveness is essential—but not synonymous—with reconciliation.

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No Wiggle Room

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen, Alex McGraw — Wed, 04 Jun 2025 04:00:00 -0400

In this episode of the AfterWords Podcast, Jason, Noel, and guest host Alex McGraw have an honest and hopeful conversation about parenting through a gospel lens. They explore the tension between law and grace, the myth of perfect parenting formulas, and the freedom in pointing our kids to Jesus rather than trying to save them ourselves. Whether you’re a young parent, an empty nester, or somewhere in between, this episode invites you to rest in God’s grace and embrace the beauty of multi-generational community.

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You're Talking to Me?

Jason Aten, James Granger, Justin Detmers, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 28 May 2025 07:48:06 -0400

In this episode of the AfterWords Podcast, Jason is joined by James, Justin, and Hez to unpack the latest sermon on marriage from Ephesians 5. They discuss the biblical model of mutual submission, the cultural baggage we carry into marriage, and how Christian marriage differs from consumerist expectations. The conversation touches on singleness, unity, truth-telling, and why reframing authority and headship is crucial for both spouses.

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A Place of Sisterhood (Bonus Adelfi Conference Episode)

Jason Aten, Wendy Smith, Karen Ehman, Alex McGraw, Julie Partridge — Mon, 26 May 2025 10:17:22 -0400

Join the women behind the Adelfi Women's Conference, including Women's Ministry Director at Riverview, Wendy Smith, as well as keynote speakers Alex McGraw, Julie Partridge, and Karen Ehman, as they dive into the inspiration and impact of this special event. Discover how the theme of "Adelfi" (sisterhood) came to be, and hear firsthand accounts of the conference's focus on women encountering Jesus. This episode explores the power of shared stories, biblical application, and the diverse ways women can connect with God's word and each other within the church community

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The Better Option

Jason Aten, Jordan Allen, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 21 May 2025 07:51:54 -0400

This week on the AfterWords podcast, Jason talks with Noel and Jordan about their sermons on singleness. They explore why singleness is often misunderstood and undertaught in the church, challenging the misconception of marriage as the "finish line." Discover how the church has historically treated singleness and delve into what it truly means to affirm and support single individuals today.

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Only Mother's Day Sermon

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 14 May 2025 04:23:00 -0400

In this special Mother’s Day edition, Jason talks with Noel about his message focusing on three lesser-known mothers in the Bible whose stories reflect quiet faithfulness in the midst of suffering. They explore how these women—Timothy’s mom Eunice, Rufus’s unnamed mother, and the widow in 2 Kings—embody strength, resilience, and trust in God, often behind the scenes. The conversation touches on what it means to be faithful even when unnoticed, how spiritual motherhood shapes lives, and why Jesus—not even the moms—is ultimately the hero of the story.

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Bring Someone With You

Jason Aten, James Granger, Tony Pyle — Wed, 07 May 2025 07:10:33 -0400

In this episode of the AfterWords podcast, Jason is joined by Tony and James to talk about their weekend messages centered on the church as a multi- and next-generational family. They explore the beauty and the challenge of building a community where older generations empower younger ones, and younger generations honor and learn from their elders. From basketball metaphors to real-life ministry stories, they share practical ways to “bring someone with you” and intentionally invest in others. They also tackle key questions from Titus 2 about submission, cultural context, and biblical interpretation.

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An Absolute Mess

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 30 Apr 2025 07:01:51 -0400

In this week's AfterWords podcast episode, Jason and Noel unpack the new sermon series titled Rooms, exploring the idea of family as a model for God's relationship with the church. They discuss the complexity and imperfections within families, how these reflect God's redemptive work, and why it's essential for the church to embrace diverse family dynamics. Noel addresses the cultural shift in family structures, shares personal anecdotes, and emphasizes treating relationships within the church with purity and intentionality.

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Vibe Shift

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 23 Apr 2025 06:47:24 -0400

Jason and Noel close out the Exodus series with thoughts on the book as a whole, as well as this past weekend's Easter services. Noel shares insights on connecting the resurrection to the recently completed Exodus series and reflects on the theological tension of living "in-between" Christ's victory and final return. They also explore the concept of Jesus as the "better Moses" and give a sneak peek into the next sermon series focusing on the family and its crucial role in the church and society today.

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Too Much Gold

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle, Jordan Allen — Wed, 16 Apr 2025 04:00:00 -0400

In this episode of the AfterWords Podcast, we reach the conclusion of our journey through Exodus with teachers Tony and Jordan. They reflect on what they’ve learned, how the series has shaped them, and why Exodus echoes throughout the entire Bible. From LEGO metaphors and golden calf callbacks to the surprising generosity of the Israelites, the conversation highlights how God’s presence and provision continue to shape His people. Plus, Jordan fills us all in on the news of the return of the MSU venue and what it means for Riverview’s core value of being multi and next-generational.

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He Ate the Sprinkles

Jason Aten, James Granger, Tony Pyle, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 09 Apr 2025 05:00:00 -0400

This episode of AfterWords features a discussion about the challenges of choosing how to cover such a large passage of scripture and figuring out which elements to focus on. A central point of discussion revolves around the Israelites' impatience and forgetfulness in the absence of Moses, leading to the creation of the golden calf. The teachers also grapple with the complex and difficult passages regarding God's actions and Moses's intercession, exploring themes of sin, justice, and God's character.

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Suitable for Consumption

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 02 Apr 2025 05:00:00 -0400

In this episode, Jason and Noel talk about the Tabernacle, exploring why God gave such detailed instructions for its creation and the significance of beauty and creativity in worship. They discuss the tension between reverence and casualness in approaching God, reflect on the difference between the Tabernacle and the Temple, and highlight why art and aesthetics matter deeply to God and the church.

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Hyper-Fast Society

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 26 Mar 2025 07:02:40 -0400

This week on the AfterWords podcast, Jason and Noel dive into the message from Exodus 23 and 24. They explore God’s slow and intentional process in dealing with evil and fulfilling His promises—and why that might be frustrating to us. From generational promises to unexpected appearances of Jesus in the Old Testament, they unpack what patience and perspective can teach us about God’s character. Plus, they answer some listener questions, nerd out about burning mountains, and debate whether 40 is just a number or a biblical mood.

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Five Years in the Making

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 19 Mar 2025 07:16:17 -0400

In this episode of The AfterWords Podcast, Jason and Noel dive into a particularly weighty message, tackling one of the most challenging questions in scripture: Does the Bible condone or even command slavery? Noel shares his years-long journey of studying this difficult topic, the historical and theological implications, and how Christians today can approach scripture with humility and honesty. They also discuss the importance of confronting hard passages head-on and how faith has historically led the charge in abolishing injustice.

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Bonus Episode: Blake If You're Listening, I'm Sorry

Jason Aten, Kyle Rodriguez — Thu, 13 Mar 2025 04:00:00 -0400

In this special bonus episode of AfterWords, Kyle Rodriguez from Union Church joins us to talk about the weighty and often-overlooked 10th Commandment: “Do not covet.” We dive into what it really means to desire the wrong things (or the right things in the wrong way), how our culture fuels discontentment, and why God’s command is not just advice—it’s a call to trust Him fully.

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I Really Like Your Shoes

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 12 Mar 2025 07:05:46 -0400

As we wrap up our 10-week journey through the Ten Commandments, Jason, Tony, and Hezekiah dive into the heart of the final command: “Do not covet.” They explore how coveting is often the first step toward breaking other commandments, how it reveals the condition of our hearts, and how contentment is found not in things, but in trusting God’s provision.

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Between a Pinky Toe

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 05 Mar 2025 05:00:00 -0500

In this episode of The Afterwards Podcast, Jason sits down with Noel, who has just returned from a sunburn-inducing trip to Australia. They discuss Noel's recent sermon series on the Ten Commandments, focusing on the ninth commandment - bearing false witness. They explore the significance of this commandment in the context of social media and the current cultural climate where truth is often disregarded. The conversation also touches on the importance of church discipline and the role of truthfulness in representing Jesus.

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It Feels So Binary

Jason Aten, James Granger, Justin Detmers, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 26 Feb 2025 06:41:51 -0500

In this episode of The AfterWords Podcast, Jason sits down with James, Justin, and Hezekiah to unpack the Eighth Commandment: “Do not steal.” What seems like a straightforward command quickly reveals deeper implications about trust, stewardship, and the human heart. The team explores how stealing goes beyond simple theft—touching on issues of generosity, faith, and integrity. They also tackle modern-day challenges, from tax season to workplace ethics, and ask the tough question: Do we really trust God to provide?

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The Lion Grows Up and Then Eats You

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen, Tony Pyle — Wed, 19 Feb 2025 07:55:58 -0500

In this episode of Afterwards, Noel and Tony unpack their weekend messages on one of the heaviest topics yet—adultery. They explore its implications beyond just marriage, diving into the spiritual aspect of faithfulness to God. Along the way, they share stories of conviction, grace, and redemption, as well as some practical insights on safeguarding relationships.

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I Threw a Coconut

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 12 Feb 2025 06:49:37 -0500

In this episode of The Afterwards Podcast, Jason and Noel dive into one of the shortest yet most profound commandments: “Do not murder.” What seems like a straightforward command turns out to have deep theological and practical implications. They explore how this commandment connects to the concept of Imago Dei—being made in the image of God—and what that means for our posture toward preserving life. They tackle tough questions about justice, sin, and the ripple effects of our actions, and then a brief follow-up from the previous episode.

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How Unenlightened Could They Be?

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 05 Feb 2025 06:28:42 -0500

In this episode of Afterwards, Jason and Noel talk about this weekend’s message on honoring your father and mother. What starts as a lighthearted conversation quickly dives deep into how this commandment applies to adults, not just kids. They reflect on why this message hit harder than expected, the cultural shifts around family dynamics, and the tension between honoring parents while setting boundaries.

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Not Good at Doing Nothing

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 29 Jan 2025 07:09:00 -0500

In this episode of The AfterWords Podcast, Jason and Noel dive into one of the most misunderstood (and misapplied) commandments: the Sabbath. They explore its original intent, why it’s not explicitly commanded in the New Testament, and how it connects to Jesus as our ultimate rest. Along the way, they discuss ancient workarounds, accidental deep dives into Leviticus, and whether modern work-life balance is actually missing the point.

Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy: You are to labor six days and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God. You must not do any work you, your son or daughter, your male or female servant, your livestock, or the resident alien who is within your city gates. For the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and everything in them in six days; then he rested on the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and declared it holy.

Exodus 20:9-11

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Variations on the Same Theme

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 22 Jan 2025 06:57:25 -0500

In this episode of The Afterwards Podcast, Jason talks with Noel about his message from Exodus 20:7, taking a look at the Third Commandment, from its weightiness to its cultural implications. They unpack how revering God’s name ties to living with integrity, reflect on the role of words in shaping faith, and share personal stories that bring humor and humanity to this profound topic. Along the way, they discuss the changing cultural perceptions of profanity and its etymology.

"Do not misuse the name of the Lord your God, because the Lord will not leave anyone unpunished who misuses his name." Exodus 20:7

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God’s Not Against Arts and Crafts

Jason Aten, James Granger, Tony Pyle, Justin Detmers — Wed, 15 Jan 2025 11:01:55 -0500

In this episode of The Afterwards Podcast, Jason sits down with teachers Justin, Tony, and James to unpack the weekend’s messages and explore the second commandment’s relevance in modern life. Together, they discuss the distinction between worship and idolatry, how ancient principles apply today, and why God’s covenant love demands exclusivity. They also tackle deep listener questions about the Ten Commandments’ enduring significance and the nature of God’s jealousy. This conversation dives into Scripture, challenges cultural assumptions, and encourages practical steps toward faithful worship.

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Still Have My Converse

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle, Hezekiah Trevino, Jordan Allen — Wed, 08 Jan 2025 11:04:22 -0500

In this episode of the AfterWords Podcast, Jason sits down with Tony, Hezekiah, and Jordan to discuss their recent messages on the first commandment: "Do not have other gods beside me." The group dives into a thoughtful discussion about how this ancient command applies to modern life. The teachers explore how today's "gods" might look different from ancient idols but still compete for our devotion while sharing practical wisdom about helping people - from college students to parents - keep God at the center of their lives.

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Don't Let Your Animals In Here

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 01 Jan 2025 11:39:48 -0500

In this special holiday edition of The Afterwords Podcast, we dive into a conversation about Noel’s recent message, “A Christian’s Relationship to the Law.” With some humorous tangents about New Year’s traditions and deep reflections on the role of the law in faith, this episode unpacks how the law serves as both a mirror of our sinfulness and a signpost to grace. Also, Noel has conflicted feelings about his relationship to soccer.

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Grinch Pajamas

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle — Wed, 25 Dec 2024 05:00:00 -0500

In this special Christmas edition of the Afterwards Podcast, Jason and Tony play another game before diving into John 14, and Jesus' claim that He is "the truth." Join them as they reflect on John’s Gospel, unpacking the profound connection between grace, truth, and Jesus’ birth.

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There's Grace for That

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 18 Dec 2024 07:15:35 -0500

In this episode of the Afterwards Podcast, Jason talks with Hezekiah and Tony to discuss the concept of grace, exploring its profound meaning and complexity through a conversation about their recent sermons. They delve into how grace is a gift from God that we don't deserve, examining the challenges people face in understanding and accepting this unmerited favor. They also answer the question, "What is a parable?"

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Exactly the Size I Imagined

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 11 Dec 2024 04:00:00 -0500

In this 50th episode of the podcast, Jason talks with Noel about his message The Law Came Through Moses. They discuss the biblical concept of the Mosaic law, exploring its purpose and significance. They delve into how the law was not merely a set of rules but a reflection of God's character and a precursor to Jesus Christ. The conversation highlights how the law ultimately serves to demonstrate humanity's inability to be perfect and points toward God's unconditional love and grace.

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Are You Allowed to Do That?

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 04 Dec 2024 05:00:00 -0500

This week, Jason and Noel unpack Noel's message from John 1, exploring how the story of Moses in Exodus connects with Jesus in the New Testament in surprising ways. They discuss the nature of grace and truth, the metaphor of light and darkness, and even venture into quantum mechanics to reflect on God’s eternal nature. Along the way, they tackle intriguing questions like whether anyone has truly “seen” God and how the Christmas story is woven into the grand narrative of Scripture.

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Cranberry Sauce Trauma

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 27 Nov 2024 08:17:01 -0500

Jason talks with Hezekiah, and Tony as they dive into Exodus 18 and explore Moses’ encounter with his father-in-law, Jethro, who delivers a critical reality check about leadership and delegation. Along the way, the team unpacks the fascinating dynamics of biblical names, the wisdom of shared burdens, and how this ancient story applies to our modern lives. Plus, you’ll hear their takes on controversial Thanksgiving foods and practical lessons on avoiding burnout in ministry and life.

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Not Exclusively an Idiot

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 20 Nov 2024 08:47:35 -0500

This week, Jason and Noel unpack themes of trust, leadership, and God’s faithfulness from the weekend’s message, “I Got You.” They explore the Israelites’ journey through the wilderness, their repeated struggles with trust, and how God’s grace meets them every time. We also dive into leadership lessons from Moses’ experience at the rock and the battle with Amalek, reflecting on the importance of supporting those called to lead.

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Burn It Down

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 13 Nov 2024 05:00:00 -0500

In this episode Jason chats with Pastor Noel about his recent message on the "most famous story in the bible," Israel’s crossing of the Red Sea. They dive into the timeless lessons of faith and trust when faced with seemingly insurmountable challenges, drawing parallels to the Red Sea as a metaphor for moments in life that require deep reliance on God.

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Stand Where Scripture Stands

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 06 Nov 2024 08:55:33 -0500

In this episode of the Afterwards podcast, Jason talks with Noel about his sermon from Exodus 13:1-16, focusing on the significance of firstborn offerings and the symbolism of unleavened bread during Passover. They explore how the hasty exodus from Egypt, symbolized by bread without yeast, serves as a reminder for Christians to live with readiness for Christ's return. The conversation also delves into the powerful metaphor of the donkey redemption law, where an unclean donkey could be redeemed by a lamb's sacrifice, drawing parallels to Christ's sacrifice for humanity.

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An Incomplete Identity

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle, Jeff Brewer, Joe Swords — Wed, 30 Oct 2024 07:25:52 -0400

In this episode, Jason talks with Pastor Tony, and guest teachers, Jeff Brewer and Joe Swords. Jeff and Joe are both with Word Partners, and organization that "exists to elevate God's life-giving Word in the hearts, lives, and ministries of pastors and their people."

The four of them talk through their messages from Exodus 11:1-12:29, covering the final plague of Egypt: the death of the firstborn son. Their conversation explores the plague's emotional and theological weight, the need for Israel to act in faith, and how it shapes their identity as God’s chosen people. They also invite listeners to wrestle with difficult questions, look at the significance of Passover, and reflect on how we find our own place in God’s story.

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Not Nearly Enough Frogs

Jason Aten, James Granger, Tony Pyle, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 23 Oct 2024 06:48:25 -0400

In this episode of the Afterwords podcast, Jason sits down with Hezekiah, Tony, and James to unpack the deeper significance of the first nine plagues from Exodus. We dive into the practical applications of this ancient story, reflecting on how we might have our own “Nile Rivers” today. The conversation explores the tension between God’s sovereignty and human free will, and how we can sometimes be like Pharaoh—slow to listen, quick to harden our hearts.

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Spiritual Teenagers

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 16 Oct 2024 05:41:02 -0400

Jason talks with Noel about his message, Power in the Names. They reflect on the importance of relying on God, even when we don’t feel His presence or understand His plan. They discuss the challenge of hearing from God in a culture that often prioritizes feelings over truth and share personal stories about pushing through moments of doubt and silence. The conversation also explores the significance of God’s names and how they reveal different aspects of His character, encouraging listeners to deepen their relationship with God through understanding His attributes.

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About That Mug (The Live Show)

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 09 Oct 2024 06:13:48 -0400

We did a live show.

This episode of AfterWords was recorded live after the Saturday night service on October 5, 2024. Jason talks with Noel about his message from the weekend, and they take questions from the audience.

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Less Than Nobody

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 02 Oct 2024 06:58:07 -0400

Jason and Noel dive into the recent weekend message, reflecting on themes of identity, insecurity, and imposter syndrome. They discuss how God uses ordinary people, often feeling unqualified, to fulfill His purpose. They also unpack the idea that God’s plans are far greater than our own understanding, encouraging listeners to trust in God’s sovereignty and to be open to the transformative power of His presence.

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Two Steps Out of Egypt

Jason Aten, James Granger, Tony Pyle, Justin Detmers — Wed, 25 Sep 2024 06:04:38 -0400

In this episode of The Afterwards Podcast, Jason is joined by Pastors James, Tony, and Justin, to dive deeper into the third week of the Exodus series. Together, they look at Exodus 2:11-25, and explore how it seems like Moses' life has just gone off the plan. They also look at how God uses times of preparation to work His plan, and how the book of Exodus parallels so much of the New Testament story. Finally, the teachers provide encouragement for those of us who might feel like we're in a similar situation.

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Swiss Cheese Brain

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 18 Sep 2024 04:00:00 -0400

In this episode of the Afterwords Podcast, Noel reflects on the impact of reintroducing the Saturday night service, highlighting the renewed excitement and energy from members who have returned to worship after a long absence. They also dive into the significance of names in scripture, especially how names reflect identity and connection with God. The discussion touches on Moses’ parents, their fearless faith, and how we too can trust in God’s promises, even when they unfold in ways we don’t expect. Tune in for a thoughtful conversation on faith, community, and following God’s timing.

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Interesting but Unhelpful

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 11 Sep 2024 07:21:17 -0400

In this episode of the AfterWords podcast, Jason talks with Noel about our new sermon series based on the book of Exodus. They also talk about the launch of the new Saturday night service, including stories from the weekend. The conversation covers why Exodus was chosen for the new series, exploring its cultural relevance and how it fits into the larger narrative of scripture. They also unpack the significance of God’s faithfulness and how it resonates with our modern lives.

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Skinny Non-Bearded Noel

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 04 Sep 2024 04:45:37 -0400

Jason talks with Pastor Noel about his message Connecting with Outsiders, They discuss the significance of connecting with outsiders, exploring how the church can be more intentional in reaching those beyond its walls. Noel reflects on the cultural moment where knowledge often overshadows the pursuit of true spiritual life, and how churches can sometimes get it wrong by focusing on information rather than offering Jesus. The conversation wraps up with a look at the exciting return of the Saturday Night Service and how it can help foster deeper connections within the church community.

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They Were Frying Donuts

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle — Wed, 28 Aug 2024 06:31:39 -0400

Jason talks with Pastor Tony about his sabbatical and some of the things he learned and experienced over the summer. Then, they talk about week 3 in the Connect series, focusing on how we connect with the church through service. Tony explains the importance of understanding that we all have gifts, and encourages us to consider how we might use those to serve within Riv.

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The Most Vulnerable Generation

Jason Aten, Jordan Allen, James Granger, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 21 Aug 2024 07:05:25 -0400

Jason talks with James, Jordan, and Hezekiah for a conversation about the complexities of human connection within Christian community. They explore the tension between our innate desire for belonging and the challenges we face in building authentic relationships. They also discuss the barriers to vulnerability, the importance of creating space for community, and the transformative power of Jesus in fostering genuine community.

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But, I Digress

Jason Aten, Justin Detmers — Wed, 14 Aug 2024 09:50:26 -0400

In this episode of the Afterwards Podcast, Jason talks with Pastor Justin about his recent message and the concept of connecting with God. We explore the difference between a one-time connection at salvation and the ongoing relationship God desires with us. Justin also shares his thoughts on the distractions that pull us away from this relationship, emphasizing the importance of intentional practices to deepen our connection with God in our everyday lives.

What is Beautiful?

Jason Aten, Jordan Allen — Wed, 07 Aug 2024 07:05:55 -0400

Jason talks with Jordan Allen about his message from both the Westside and REO Town venues, called "The Broken and the Beautiful." Jordan shares his experiences and insights from teaching through Matthew 14, focusing on the themes of recognizing beauty and brokenness in our daily lives. The conversation explores the importance of lament, the significance of rest, and how these practices help us connect with God’s presence.

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Deep Soul Work

Jason Aten, Justin Detmers, James Granger — Wed, 31 Jul 2024 09:02:41 -0400

In this episode of the Afterwards Podcast, we explore two impactful messages from our recent series. Pastor James shares how missional living and stepping out of comfort zones have catalyzed his spiritual growth, while Pastor Justin delves into the pervasive issue of offense and the transformative power of grace in overcoming it. Join us as we unpack these insights and discover how our perspectives on mission and forgiveness shape our interactions with others.

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Point Toward Jesus

Jason Aten, Hezekiah Trevino, Ethan Ezekian — Wed, 24 Jul 2024 08:56:18 -0400

Jason talks with Hezekiah Trevino and Ethan Ezekian about their messages from the Trained by Grace series.

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Just Vibes a Little Bit Different

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 17 Jul 2024 06:21:33 -0400

Jason talks with Noel about the new series, Trained by Grace, and how the result of grace isn't just about salvation, but about a changed life here and now.

Titus 2:11-14:

For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, instructing us to deny godlessness and worldly lusts and to live in a sensible, righteous, and godly way in the present age, while we wait for the blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ. He gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to cleanse for himself a people for his own possession, eager to do good works.

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You're Asking Me?

Jason Aten, James Granger, Hezekiah Trevino, Jordan Allen — Wed, 10 Jul 2024 07:53:58 -0400

As we wrap up the Cruciformed Series, Jason talks with James, Hezekiah, and Jordan Allen about their messages from 2 Corinthians 13:1-13.

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This is the third time I am coming to you. Every matter must be established by the testimony of two or three witnesses. I gave a warning when I was present the second time, and now I give a warning while I am absent to those who sinned before and to all the rest: If I come again, I will not be lenient, since you seek proof of Christ speaking in me. He is not weak in dealing with you, but powerful among you. For he was crucified in weakness, but he lives by the power of God. For we also are weak in him, but in dealing with you we will live with him by God’s power.

Test yourselves to see if you are in the faith. Examine yourselves. Or do you yourselves not recognize that Jesus Christ is in you? — unless you fail the test. And I hope you will recognize that we ourselves do not fail the test. But we pray to God that you do nothing wrong — not that we may appear to pass the test, but that you may do what is right, even though we may appear to fail. For we can’t do anything against the truth, but only for the truth. We rejoice when we are weak and you are strong. We also pray that you become fully mature. This is why I am writing these things while absent, so that when I am there I may not have to deal harshly with you, in keeping with the authority the Lord gave me for building up and not for tearing down.

Finally, brothers and sisters, rejoice. Become mature, be encouraged, be of the same mind, be at peace, and the God of love and peace will be with you. Greet one another with a holy kiss. All the saints send you greetings.
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all.

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Just Gonna Lean In Heavy

Jason Aten, Noel Heiikinen — Wed, 03 Jul 2024 07:34:57 -0400

Jason talks with Noel about the early church, miracles, parenting, and why Noel is taking a social media fast during the month of July. They also dive into some closing thoughts on the Cruciformed series and the book of 2 Corinthians.

2 Corinthians 12:11-21:
I have been a fool; you forced it on me. You ought to have commended me, since I am not in any way inferior to those “super-apostles,” even though I am nothing. The signs of an apostle were performed with unfailing endurance among you, including signs and wonders and miracles. So in what way are you worse off than the other churches, except that I personally did not burden you? Forgive me for this wrong!

Look, I am ready to come to you this third time. I will not burden you, since I am not seeking what is yours, but you. For children ought not save up for their parents, but parents for their children. I will most gladly spend and be spent for you. If I love you more, am I to be loved less? Now granted, I did not burden you; yet sly as I am, I took you in by deceit! Did I take advantage of you by any of those I sent you? I urged Titus to go, and I sent the brother with him. Titus didn’t take advantage of you, did he? Didn’t we walk in the same spirit and in the same footsteps?

Have you been thinking all along that we were defending ourselves to you? No, in the sight of God we are speaking in Christ, and everything, dear friends, is for building you up. For I fear that perhaps when I come I will not find you to be what I want, and you may not find me to be what you want. Perhaps there will be quarreling, jealousy, angry outbursts, selfish ambitions, slander, gossip, arrogance, and disorder. I fear that when I come my God will again humiliate me in your presence, and I will grieve for many who sinned before and have not repented of the moral impurity, sexual immorality, and sensuality they practiced.

Never Been Accused of Being Practical

Jason Aten, Justin Detmers, Jordan Allen — Wed, 26 Jun 2024 08:22:05 -0400

Jason talks with Pastor Justin and guest teacher, Jordan Allen, about their messages from 2 Corinthians 12:1-10. They cover how Paul's view of weakness is different from the worldly view, why God wouldn't just take away the thorn, and why Jesus' grace truly is sufficient. There's also talk about how both Justin and Jordan got into ministry, and some recurring conversation about Batman. It's a long one, but well worth the listen.

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Boasting is necessary. It is not profitable, but I will move on to visions and revelations of the Lord. I know a man in Christ who was caught up to the third heaven fourteen years ago. Whether he was in the body or out of the body, I don’t know; God knows. I know that this man — whether in the body or out of the body I don’t know; God knows — was caught up into paradise and heard inexpressible words, which a human being is not allowed to speak. I will boast about this person, but not about myself, except of my weaknesses.
For if I want to boast, I wouldn’t be a fool, because I would be telling the truth. But I will spare you, so that no one can credit me with something beyond what he sees in me or hears from me, especially because of the extraordinary revelations. Therefore, so that I would not exalt myself, a thorn in the flesh was given to me, a messenger of Satan to torment me so that I would not exalt myself. Concerning this, I pleaded with the Lord three times that it would leave me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is perfected in weakness.”
Therefore, I will most gladly boast all the more about my weaknesses, so that Christ’s power may reside in me. So I take pleasure in weaknesses, insults, hardships, persecutions, and in difficulties, for the sake of Christ. For when I am weak, then I am strong.

Get Over Yourself

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 19 Jun 2024 06:22:40 -0400

Jason talks with Noel about his message from 2 Corinthians 11:16-33:

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I repeat: Let no one consider me a fool. But if you do, at least accept me as a fool so that I can also boast a little. What I am saying in this matter of boasting, I don’t speak as the Lord would, but as it were, foolishly. Since many boast according to the flesh, I will also boast. For you, being so wise, gladly put up with fools! In fact, you put up with it if someone enslaves you, if someone exploits you, if someone takes advantage of you, if someone is arrogant toward you, if someone slaps you in the face. I say this to our shame: We have been too weak for that!
But in whatever anyone dares to boast — I am talking foolishly — I also dare: Are they Hebrews? So am I. Are they Israelites? So am I. Are they the descendants of Abraham? So am I. Are they servants of Christ? I’m talking like a madman — I’m a better one: with far more labors, many more imprisonments, far worse beatings, many times near death.
Five times I received the forty lashes minus one from the Jews. Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I received a stoning. Three times I was shipwrecked. I have spent a night and a day in the open sea. On frequent journeys, I faced dangers from rivers, dangers from robbers, dangers from my own people, dangers from Gentiles, dangers in the city, dangers in the wilderness, dangers at sea, and dangers among false brothers; toil and hardship, many sleepless nights, hunger and thirst, often without food, cold, and without clothing. Not to mention other things, there is the daily pressure on me: my concern for all the churches. Who is weak, and I am not weak? Who is made to stumble, and I do not burn with indignation?
If boasting is necessary, I will boast about my weaknesses. The God and Father of the Lord Jesus, who is blessed forever, knows I am not lying. In Damascus, a ruler under King Aretas guarded the city of Damascus in order to arrest me. So I was let down in a basket through a window in the wall and escaped from his hands.

One of Those Latin Phrases

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 12 Jun 2024 01:01:15 -0400

Jason talks to Noel about his message from 2 Corinthians 11:1-15. They talk about "super-apostles," why we can trust the bible, and what it's like preaching about difficult topics.

I wish you would put up with a little foolishness from me. Yes, do put up with me! For I am jealous for you with a godly jealousy, because I have promised you in marriage to one husband — to present a pure virgin to Christ. But I fear that, as the serpent deceived Eve by his cunning, your minds may be seduced from a sincere and pure devotion to Christ. For if a person comes and preaches another Jesus, whom we did not preach, or you receive a different spirit, which you had not received, or a different gospel, which you had not accepted, you put up with it splendidly!
Now I consider myself in no way inferior to those “super-apostles.” Even if I am untrained in public speaking, I am certainly not untrained in knowledge. Indeed, we have in every way made that clear to you in everything. Or did I commit a sin by humbling myself so that you might be exalted, because I preached the gospel of God to you free of charge? I robbed other churches by taking pay from them to minister to you. When I was present with you and in need, I did not burden anyone, since the brothers who came from Macedonia supplied my needs. I have kept myself, and will keep myself, from burdening you in any way. As the truth of Christ is in me, this boasting of mine will not be stopped in the regions of Achaia. Why? Because I don’t love you? God knows I do!
But I will continue to do what I am doing, in order to deny an opportunity to those who want to be regarded as our equals in what they boast about. For such people are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder! For Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no great surprise if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will be according to their works.

Jet Lagged, Obviously

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 05 Jun 2024 02:00:00 -0400

Jason talks with Noel about his message from 2 Corinthians 10:7-18, as well as Riverview's history with Michigan State, and why it's an important piece of the future of the ministry here.

Look at what is obvious. If anyone is confident that he belongs to Christ, let him remind himself of this: Just as he belongs to Christ, so do we. For if I boast a little too much about our authority, which the Lord gave for building you up and not for tearing you down, I will not be put to shame. I don’t want to seem as though I am trying to terrify you with my letters. For it is said, “His letters are weighty and powerful, but his physical presence is weak and his public speaking amounts to nothing.” Let such a person consider this: What we are in our letters, when we are absent, we will also be in our actions when we are present.
For we don’t dare classify or compare ourselves with some who commend themselves. But in measuring themselves by themselves and comparing themselves to themselves, they lack understanding. We, however, will not boast beyond measure but according to the measure of the area of ministry that God has assigned to us, which reaches even to you. For we are not overextending ourselves, as if we had not reached you, since we have come to you with the gospel of Christ. We are not boasting beyond measure about other people’s labors. On the contrary, we have the hope that as your faith increases, our area of ministry will be greatly enlarged, so that we may preach the gospel to the regions beyond you without boasting about what has already been done in someone else’s area of ministry. So let the one who boasts, boast in the Lord. For it is not the one commending himself who is approved, but the one the Lord commends.

The OG

Jason Aten, Steve Sommerlot, James Granger, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 29 May 2024 02:26:31 -0400

Jason talks with Steve Sommerlot, James Granger, Hezekiah Trevino about their messages from 2 Corinthians 10:1-6. They also spend time talking about how Steve came to Michigan to plant a church, what he's been up to lately, and why it has been so long since we last heard him teach on a Sunday Morning at Riverview.

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Now I, Paul, myself, appeal to you by the meekness and gentleness of Christ — I who am humble among you in person but bold toward you when absent. I beg you that when I am present I will not need to be bold with the confidence by which I plan to challenge certain people who think we are living according to the flesh. For although we live in the flesh, we do not wage war according to the flesh, since the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh, but are powerful through God for the demolition of strongholds. We demolish arguments and every proud thing that is raised up against the knowledge of God, and we take every thought captive to obey Christ. And we are ready to punish any disobedience, once your obedience is complete.

The Dial's Been Turned Up

Jason Aten, Justin Detmers, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 22 May 2024 03:00:00 -0400

Jason talks with Pastor Justin and Hezekiah Trevino, our Pastoral Resident, about their messages from 2 Corinthians 9:1-15.

Now concerning the ministry to the saints, it is unnecessary for me to write to you. For I know your eagerness, and I boast about you to the Macedonians, “Achaia has been ready since last year,” and your zeal has stirred up most of them. But I am sending the brothers so that our boasting about you in this matter would not prove empty, and so that you would be ready just as I said. Otherwise, if any Macedonians come with me and find you unprepared, we, not to mention you, would be put to shame in that situation. Therefore I considered it necessary to urge the brothers to go on ahead to you and arrange in advance the generous gift you promised, so that it will be ready as a gift and not as an extortion.
The point is this: The person who sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and the person who sows generously will also reap generously. Each person should do as he has decided in his heart — not reluctantly or out of compulsion, since God loves a cheerful giver. And God is able to make every grace overflow to you, so that in every way, always having everything you need, you may excel in every good work. As it is written:
He distributed freely;
he gave to the poor;
his righteousness endures forever.
Now the one who provides seed for the sower and bread for food will also provide and multiply your seed and increase the harvest of your righteousness. You will be enriched in every way for all generosity, which produces thanksgiving to God through us. For the ministry of this service is not only supplying the needs of the saints but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God. Because of the proof provided by this ministry, they will glorify God for your obedient confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone. And as they pray on your behalf, they will have deep affection for you because of the surpassing grace of God in you. Thanks be to God for his indescribable gift!

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Noel Doesn't Get to Vote

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 15 May 2024 07:48:46 -0400

Jason talks with Noel about math, numbers, budgets, an update from the Entrust Campaign, and why he doesn't get to vote on Riverview's Board of Trustees. All of that comes from Noel's message from 2 Corinthians 8:16-24:

Thanks be to God, who put the same concern for you into the heart of Titus. For he welcomed our appeal and, being very diligent, went out to you by his own choice. We have sent with him the brother who is praised among all the churches for his gospel ministry. And not only that, but he was also appointed by the churches to accompany us with this gracious gift that we are administering for the glory of the Lord himself and to show our eagerness to help. We are taking this precaution so that no one will criticize us about this large sum that we are administering. Indeed, we are giving careful thought to do what is right, not only before the Lord but also before people. We have also sent with them our brother. We have often tested him in many circumstances and found him to be diligent — and now even more diligent because of his great confidence in you. As for Titus, he is my partner and coworker for you; as for our brothers, they are the messengers of the churches, the glory of Christ. Therefore, show them proof before the churches of your love and of our boasting about you.

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The Bible Goes There

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 08 May 2024 07:51:00 -0400

Jason talks with Noel about his message from 2 Corinthians 8:1-15:

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We want you to know, brothers and sisters, about the grace of God that was given to the churches of Macedonia: During a severe trial brought about by affliction, their abundant joy and their extreme poverty overflowed in a wealth of generosity on their part. I can testify that, according to their ability and even beyond their ability, of their own accord, they begged us earnestly for the privilege of sharing in the ministry to the saints, and not just as we had hoped. Instead, they gave themselves first to the Lord and then to us by God’s will. So we urged Titus that just as he had begun, so he should also complete among you this act of grace.

Now as you excel in everything — in faith, speech, knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love for us — excel also in this act of grace. I am not saying this as a command. Rather, by means of the diligence of others, I am testing the genuineness of your love. For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ: Though he was rich, for your sake he became poor, so that by his poverty you might become rich. And in this matter I am giving advice because it is profitable for you, who began last year not only to do something but also to want to do it. Now also finish the task, so that just as there was an eager desire, there may also be a completion, according to what you have. For if the eagerness is there, the gift is acceptable according to what a person has, not according to what he does not have. It is not that there should be relief for others and hardship for you, but it is a question of equality. At the present time your surplus is available for their need, so that their abundance may in turn meet your need, in order that there may be equality. As it is written: The person who had much did not have too much, and the person who had little did not have too little.

That's Very Judgy of You

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 01 May 2024 14:08:54 -0400

Jason talks with Noel about what membership means at Riv, the Holy Spirit as a person, why counseling shouldn't have a stigma attached, what the evidence of repentance looks like, and why the church needs more sinners. Oh, and they talk about Noel's message from 2 Corinthians 7:11-16:

For consider how much diligence this very thing — this grieving as God wills — has produced in you: what a desire to clear yourselves, what indignation, what fear, what deep longing, what zeal, what justice! In every way you showed yourselves to be pure in this matter. So even though I wrote to you, it was not because of the one who did wrong, or because of the one who was wronged, but in order that your devotion to us might be made plain to you in the sight of God. For this reason we have been comforted.
In addition to our own comfort, we rejoiced even more over the joy Titus had, because his spirit was refreshed by all of you. For if I have made any boast to him about you, I have not been disappointed; but as I have spoken everything to you in truth, so our boasting to Titus has also turned out to be the truth. And his affection toward you is even greater as he remembers the obedience of all of you, and how you received him with fear and trembling. I rejoice that I have complete confidence in you.

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I Still Need a Nap (with Noel Heikkinen)

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 24 Apr 2024 05:46:58 -0400

Jason talks with Noel about his message from 2 Corinthians 7:2-10, and how Godly grief leads us to change not just the way we behave, but the way we think--and live.

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Make room for us in your hearts. We have wronged no one, corrupted no one, taken advantage of no one. I don’t say this to condemn you, since I have already said that you are in our hearts, to die together and to live together. I am very frank with you; I have great pride in you. I am filled with encouragement; I am overflowing with joy in all our afflictions.
In fact, when we came into Macedonia, we had no rest. Instead, we were troubled in every way: conflicts on the outside, fears within. But God, who comforts the downcast, comforted us by the arrival of Titus, and not only by his arrival but also by the comfort he received from you. He told us about your deep longing, your sorrow, and your zeal for me, so that I rejoiced even more. For even if I grieved you with my letter, I don’t regret it. And if I regretted it — since I saw that the letter grieved you, yet only for a while — I now rejoice, not because you were grieved, but because your grief led to repentance. For you were grieved as God willed, so that you didn’t experience any loss from us. For godly grief produces a repentance that leads to salvation without regret, but worldly grief produces death.

Maybe I'll Go to Chick-fil-A (with James Granger)

Jason Aten, James Granger — Wed, 17 Apr 2024 05:25:43 -0400

Jason talks to Pastor James about his message from 2 Corinthians 6:14-7:1 and the two talk about James' ministry story, where he got a 125-year-old yoke, and whether Christians should only eat at Chick-fil-A (no, but that sounds delicious).

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Do not be yoked together with those who do not believe. For what partnership is there between righteousness and lawlessness? Or what fellowship does light have with darkness? What agreement does Christ have with Belial? Or what does a believer have in common with an unbeliever? And what agreement does the temple of God have with idols? For we are the temple of the living God, as God said:
I will dwell
and walk among them,
and I will be their God,
and they will be my people.
Therefore, come out from among them
and be separate, says the Lord;
do not touch any unclean thing,
and I will welcome you.
And I will be a Father to you,
and you will be sons and daughters to me,
says the Lord Almighty.
So then, dear friends, since we have these promises, let us cleanse ourselves from every impurity of the flesh and spirit, bringing holiness to completion in the fear of God.

Stumbling But Not a Stumbling Block (with Noel Heikkinen)

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 10 Apr 2024 05:00:00 -0400

Jason and Noel talk about Noel's message from 2 Corinthians 6:3-13, and touch on Riv's mission statement, the priesthood of all believers, and how to stumble together without being a stumbling block.

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We are not giving anyone an occasion for offense, so that the ministry will not be blamed. Instead, as God’s ministers, we commend ourselves in everything: by great endurance, by afflictions, by hardships, by difficulties, by beatings, by imprisonments, by riots, by labors, by sleepless nights, by times of hunger, by purity, by knowledge, by patience, by kindness, by the Holy Spirit, by sincere love, by the word of truth, by the power of God; through weapons of righteousness for the right hand and the left, through glory and dishonor, through slander and good report; regarded as deceivers, yet true; as unknown, yet recognized; as dying, yet see — we live; as being disciplined, yet not killed; as grieving, yet always rejoicing; as poor, yet enriching many; as having nothing, yet possessing everything. We have spoken openly to you, Corinthians; our heart has been opened wide. We are not withholding our affection from you, but you are withholding yours from us. I speak as to my children; as a proper response, open your heart to us.

Is Oatmeal a Soup? (with Noel Heikkinen, Tony Pyle, and Justin Detmers)

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen, Tony Pyle, Justin Detmers — Wed, 03 Apr 2024 08:18:21 -0400

Jason talks with Noel, Tony, and Justin about their Easter messages from 2 Corinthians 5:16-6:2, and uncovers some important truths about reconciliation, our role as ambassadors, and the nature of soup. It'll all make sense, we promise.

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From now on, then, we do not know anyone from a worldly perspective. Even if we have known Christ from a worldly perspective, yet now we no longer know him in this way. Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has passed away, and see, the new has come! Everything is from God, who has reconciled us to himself through Christ and has given us the ministry of reconciliation. That is, in Christ, God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and he has committed the message of reconciliation to us.
Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, since God is making his appeal through us. We plead on Christ’s behalf, “Be reconciled to God.” He made the one who did not know sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.
Working together with him, we also appeal to you, “Don’t receive the grace of God in vain.” For he says:
At an acceptable time I listened to you,
and in the day of salvation I helped you.
See, now is the acceptable time; now is the day of salvation!

Congratulations, You're an Evangelical (with Noel Heikkinen)

Jason Aten and Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 27 Mar 2024 07:31:14 -0400

This week, Jason and Noel talk about Noel's message from 2 Corinthians 5:11-15. Noel also gives us an overview of Riv's stance on Baptism, and we explore what it looks like to be an evangelistic church.

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Therefore, since we know the fear of the Lord, we try to persuade people. What we are is plain to God, and I hope it is also plain to your consciences. We are not commending ourselves to you again, but giving you an opportunity to be proud of us, so that you may have a reply for those who take pride in outward appearance rather than in the heart. For if we are out of our mind, it is for God; if we are in our right mind, it is for you. For the love of Christ compels us, since we have reached this conclusion, that one died for all, and therefore all died. And he died for all so that those who live should no longer live for themselves, but for the one who died for them and was raised.

Pastor Justin's message: A Better Allegiance
Pastor Noel's Message: Good God Gospel
Families and Civilization - Carle Zimmerman

Sufficient but not Exhaustive with Tony Pyle and Hezekiah Trevino

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 20 Mar 2024 09:24:15 -0400

Jason talks with Tony Pyle, our Westside Venue Director, and Hezekiah Trevino, our Pastoral Resident, about their messages from 2 Corinthians 5:1-10. They also talk about what on earth Paul means by "the judgment seat of Christ," and why Bible translations change over time.

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"For we know that if our earthly tent we live in is destroyed, we have a building from God, an eternal dwelling in the heavens, not made with hands. Indeed, we groan in this tent, desiring to put on our heavenly dwelling, since, when we are clothed, we will not be found naked. Indeed, we groan while we are in this tent, burdened as we are, because we do not want to be unclothed but clothed, so that mortality may be swallowed up by life. Now the one who prepared us for this very purpose is God, who gave us the Spirit as a down payment.
So we are always confident and know that while we are at home in the body we are away from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight. In fact, we are confident, and we would prefer to be away from the body and at home with the Lord. Therefore, whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to be pleasing to him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each may be repaid for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil."

Off-Topic Topic with Noel Heikkinen

Jason Aten and Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 13 Mar 2024 02:00:00 -0400

Jason talks with Noel about his message from last weekend from 2 Corinthians 4:7-18, as well as a few off-topic items, like Communion.

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"Now we have this treasure in clay jars, so that this extraordinary power may be from God and not from us. We are afflicted in every way but not crushed; we are perplexed but not in despair; we are persecuted but not abandoned; we are struck down but not destroyed. We always carry the death of Jesus in our body, so that the life of Jesus may also be displayed in our body. For we who live are always being given over to death for Jesus’s sake, so that Jesus’s life may also be displayed in our mortal flesh. So then, death is at work in us, but life in you. And since we have the same spirit of faith in keeping with what is written, I believed, therefore I spoke, we also believe, and therefore speak. For we know that the one who raised the Lord Jesus will also raise us with Jesus and present us with you. Indeed, everything is for your benefit so that, as grace extends through more and more people, it may cause thanksgiving to increase to the glory of God.

Therefore we do not give up. Even though our outer person is being destroyed, our inner person is being renewed day by day. For our momentary light affliction is producing for us an absolutely incomparable eternal weight of glory. So we do not focus on what is seen, but on what is unseen. For what is seen is temporary, but what is unseen is eternal."

The God of this Age (with Noel Heikkinen)

Jason Aten, Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 06 Mar 2024 01:00:00 -0500

Jason talks with Noel about his recent message The Simple Light of the Gospel, from 2 Corinthians 4:1-6

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Therefore, since we have this ministry because we were shown mercy, we do not give up. Instead, we have renounced secret and shameful things, not acting deceitfully or distorting the word of God, but commending ourselves before God to everyone’s conscience by an open display of the truth. But if our gospel is veiled, it is veiled to those who are perishing. In their case, the god of this age has blinded the minds of the unbelievers to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God. For we are not proclaiming ourselves but Jesus Christ as Lord, and ourselves as your servants for Jesus’s sake. For God who said, “Let light shine out of darkness,” has shone in our hearts to give the light of the knowledge of God’s glory in the face of Jesus Christ.

A Veil, Glory, and Boldness (with James Granger and Tony Pyle)

James Granger, Tony Pyle, Jason Aten — Wed, 28 Feb 2024 06:56:30 -0500

Jason is joined by Pastor James and Pastor Tony to talk about their messages from 2 Corinthians 3:7-18.

Tony's chart of Old Covenant vs New Covenant

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"Now if the ministry that brought death, chiseled in letters on stones, came with glory, so that the Israelites were not able to gaze steadily at Moses’s face because of its glory, which was set aside, how will the ministry of the Spirit not be more glorious? For if the ministry that brought condemnation had glory, the ministry that brings righteousness overflows with even more glory. In fact, what had been glorious is not glorious now by comparison because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was set aside was glorious, what endures will be even more glorious.

Since, then, we have such a hope, we act with great boldness. We are not like Moses, who used to put a veil over his face to prevent the Israelites from gazing steadily until the end of the glory of what was being set aside, but their minds were hardened. For to this day, at the reading of the old covenant, the same veil remains; it is not lifted, because it is set aside only in Christ. Yet still today, whenever Moses is read, a veil lies over their hearts, but whenever a person turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. We all, with unveiled faces, are looking as in a mirror at the glory of the Lord and are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory; this is from the Lord who is the Spirit."

Highly Recommended (with Tony Pyle, Justin Detmers, and Hezekiah Trevino)

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle, Justin Detmers, Hezekiah Trevino — Wed, 21 Feb 2024 07:49:05 -0500

Jason is joined by Tony Pyle, Pastor and Westside Venue Director; Justin Detmers, Pastor and REO Town Venue Director; and Hezekiah Trevino, Pastoral Resident, as they talk through this week's passage, 2 Corinthians 3:1-6

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Are we beginning to commend ourselves again? Or do we need, like some, letters of recommendation to you or from you? You yourselves are our letter, written on our hearts, known and read by everyone. You show that you are Christ’s letter, delivered by us, not written with ink but with the Spirit of the living God — not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts.

Such is the confidence we have through Christ before God. It is not that we are competent in ourselves to claim anything as coming from ourselves, but our adequacy is from God. He has made us competent to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter, but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

Smell Like Jesus (with Tony Pyle, Ronnie Goble, and Alfonso Mack)

Jason Aten, Tony Pyle, Ronnie Goble, Alfonso Mack — Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:56:55 -0500

This week, Jason is joined by Tony Pyle, along with Ronnie Goble and Alfonso Mack from Rooted Church. We walked about their messages from 2 Corinthians 2:12-17

Want to connect with Ronnie and Alfonso? You can find them at rootedch.com
You can also email us at podcast@rivchurch.com, and we'll be sure to forward it along.

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This week's scripture:

When I came to Troas to preach the gospel of Christ, even though the Lord opened a door for me, I had no rest in my spirit because I did not find my brother Titus. Instead, I said good-bye to them and left for Macedonia.

But thanks be to God, who always leads us in Christ’s triumphal procession and through us spreads the aroma of the knowledge of him in every place. For to God we are the fragrance of Christ among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing. To some we are an aroma of death leading to death, but to others, an aroma of life leading to life. Who is adequate for these things? For we do not market the word of God for profit like so many. On the contrary, we speak with sincerity in Christ, as from God and before God.

Dinosaurs Don't Believe in You Either (with Noel Heikkinen)

Jason Aten & Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 07 Feb 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Jason talks with Noel about his message "Satan's Schemes," from 2 Corinthians 1:23-2:11. They go in depth on how Satan's only weapon is deceiving us in an attempt to divide us--from each other, and from God. They also cover important topics like why dinosaurs don't believe in us.

"I call on God as a witness, on my life, that it was to spare you that I did not come to Corinth. I do not mean that we lord it over your faith, but we are workers with you for your joy, because you stand firm in your faith. In fact, I made up my mind about this: I would not come to you on another painful visit. For if I cause you pain, then who will cheer me other than the one being hurt by me? I wrote this very thing so that when I came I wouldn’t have pain from those who ought to give me joy, because I am confident about all of you that my joy will also be yours. For I wrote to you with many tears out of an extremely troubled and anguished heart — not to cause you pain, but that you should know the abundant love I have for you.

If anyone has caused pain, he has caused pain not so much to me but to some degree — not to exaggerate — to all of you. This punishment by the majority is sufficient for that person. As a result, you should instead forgive and comfort him. Otherwise, he may be overwhelmed by excessive grief. Therefore I urge you to reaffirm your love to him. I wrote for this purpose: to test your character to see if you are obedient in everything. Anyone you forgive, I do too. For what I have forgiven — if I have forgiven anything — it is for your benefit in the presence of Christ, so that we may not be taken advantage of by Satan. For we are not ignorant of his schemes."

But You Said (with Noel Heikkinen)

Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 31 Jan 2024 02:00:00 -0500

Jason and Noel talk about Noel's message from 2 Corinthians 1:15-22

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Because of this confidence, I planned to come to you first, so that you could have a second benefit, and to visit you on my way to Macedonia, and then come to you again from Macedonia and be helped by you on my journey to Judea. Now when I planned this, was I of two minds? Or what I plan, do I plan in a purely human way so that I say “Yes, yes” and “No, no” at the same time? As God is faithful, our message to you is not “Yes and no.” For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, whom we proclaimed among you — Silvanus, Timothy, and I — did not become “Yes and no.” On the contrary, in him it is always “Yes.” For every one of God’s promises is “Yes” in him. Therefore, through him we also say “Amen” to the glory of God. Now it is God who strengthens us together with you in Christ, and who has anointed us. He has also put his seal on us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a down payment

Four Letter Noel (with Noel Heikkinen)

Jason Aten & Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 24 Jan 2024 05:00:00 -0500

Jason and Noel talk about boasting, bragging, and literally everything you need to know about giving glory.

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2 Corinthians 1:12-14:

"Indeed, this is our boast: The testimony of our conscience is that we have conducted ourselves in the world, and especially toward you, with godly sincerity and purity, not by human wisdom but by God’s grace. For we are writing nothing to you other than what you can read and also understand. I hope you will understand completely — just as you have partially understood us — that we are your reason for pride, just as you also are ours in the day of our Lord Jesus."

Sometimes Our Good is Discomfort (with Tony Pyle and James Granger)

Riverview Church — Wed, 17 Jan 2024 05:00:00 -0500

Jason talks with Pastor James and Pastor Tony about their messages from 2 Corinthians 1:8-11:

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"We don’t want you to be unaware, brothers and sisters, of our affliction that took place in Asia. We were completely overwhelmed — beyond our strength — so that we even despaired of life itself. Indeed, we felt that we had received the sentence of death, so that we would not trust in ourselves but in God who raises the dead. He has delivered us from such a terrible death, and he will deliver us. We have put our hope in him that he will deliver us again while you join in helping us by your prayers. Then many will give thanks on our behalf for the gift that came to us through the prayers of many."

God of All Comfort (with Noel Heikkinen)

Jason Aten & Noel Heikkinen — Wed, 10 Jan 2024 07:00:00 -0500

Jason and Noel talk about the new Cruciformed series, where the idea came from, and dive into the first message from 2 Corinthians 1:1-7.

Scripture passage:

"Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by God’s will, and Timothy our brother:
To the church of God at Corinth, with all the saints who are throughout Achaia.
Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of mercies and the God of all comfort. He comforts us in all our affliction, so that we may be able to comfort those who are in any kind of affliction, through the comfort we ourselves receive from God. For just as the sufferings of Christ overflow to us, so also through Christ our comfort overflows. If we are afflicted, it is for your comfort and salvation. If we are comforted, it is for your comfort, which produces in you patient endurance of the same sufferings that we suffer. And our hope for you is firm, because we know that as you share in the sufferings, so you will also share in the comfort."

AfterWords: Trailer

Riverview Church — Sat, 06 Jan 2024 11:28:00 -0500