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        <![CDATA[<p>Before we dive into markets and macro, meet the minds behind the mic. Hosts Winnie Cisar and Justin Patrie share their winding paths into finance, what sets Fitch apart, how AI is reshaping research, and the podcasts and books that fuel their curiosity. </p>]]>
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