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        <![CDATA[<p>We give a comparison of two ways you can operationally learn using the key ideas from episode 77. What's it like to learn only focusing on behavior vs. what is it like to learn with curiosity (even if you're not trusted). </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The (thrilling?) conclusion to our Complexity discussion. We do some live operational learning role play about Andy's morning and learn about the "Big 5". We end with some area to dip your toe into operational learning if this is new to you. </p>]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We attempt multiple ways of operational learning using Andy's morning to show how even best intentions cannot makeup for linear thinking.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We attempt multiple ways of operational learning using Andy's morning to show how even best intentions cannot makeup for linear thinking.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2026 01:00:43 -0500</pubDate>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 74 - Defining HOP - Complexity (part 3)</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The complexity discussion continued! This one includes a story of Andy and Matt operationally learning about normal (but not common) work. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The complexity discussion continued! This one includes a story of Andy and Matt operationally learning about normal (but not common) work. </p>]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 73 - Defining HOP - Complexity (part 2)</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our complexity discussion and get into some tangible examples. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our complexity discussion and get into some tangible examples. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2026 01:00:13 -0500</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our complexity discussion and get into some tangible examples. </p>]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 72 - Happy Holidays and Happy New Year!</title>
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      <podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We're taking a couple of weeks off and will be back with our regularly scheduled episodes on 1/14/2026</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We're taking a couple of weeks off and will be back with our regularly scheduled episodes on 1/14/2026</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Dec 2025 01:00:41 -0500</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We're taking a couple of weeks off and will be back with our regularly scheduled episodes on 1/14/2026</p>]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 71 - Defining HOP - Complexity (part 1)</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We're starting a new mini-series around how we define "what HOP is" and the 3 key elements that differentiate from other practices. First up, Complexity Science. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We're starting a new mini-series around how we define "what HOP is" and the 3 key elements that differentiate from other practices. First up, Complexity Science. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2025 01:00:46 -0500</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We're starting a new mini-series around how we define "what HOP is" and the 3 key elements that differentiate from other practices. First up, Complexity Science. </p>]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 70 - Defining your problem without knowing the solution</title>
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      <podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We explore a challenge that seems to impact all of the places we visit - defining a problem when a perfect solution does not exist. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We explore a challenge that seems to impact all of the places we visit - defining a problem when a perfect solution does not exist. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2025 01:00:28 -0500</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We explore a challenge that seems to impact all of the places we visit - defining a problem when a perfect solution does not exist. </p>]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 69 - Bloom's Taxonomy and Training</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss how Bloom's Taxonomy highlights a need for change in how HOP learners apply the principles (and beyond). </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss how Bloom's Taxonomy highlights a need for change in how HOP learners apply the principles (and beyond). </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2025 01:00:04 -0500</pubDate>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss how Bloom's Taxonomy highlights a need for change in how HOP learners apply the principles (and beyond). </p>]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 68 - The Accountability Conundrum</title>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss how changing the way we view discipline as a way to drive accountability does not mean that we lower expectations of our teams or the people we work with. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss how changing the way we view discipline as a way to drive accountability does not mean that we lower expectations of our teams or the people we work with. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Oct 2025 01:00:52 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2404</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss how changing the way we view discipline as a way to drive accountability does not mean that we lower expectations of our teams or the people we work with. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords></itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 67 - Getting Unstuck</title>
      <itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 67 - Getting Unstuck</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/6f2448a3</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss what it's like to constantly push for change in an organization that is set in its ways. Also, there may be a poem released at some point? </p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss what it's like to constantly push for change in an organization that is set in its ways. Also, there may be a poem released at some point? </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2025 01:00:11 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2008</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We discuss what it's like to constantly push for change in an organization that is set in its ways. Also, there may be a poem released at some point? </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords></itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 66 - When do I know enough about HOP to start implementation?</title>
      <itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 66 - When do I know enough about HOP to start implementation?</itunes:title>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We respond to a listener question about "How do I know that I know enough about HOP to start applying it at work".</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Andy's recommendations:</strong></p><p><strong>(Academic works that explain foundational concepts)</strong></p><p>The Social Psychology of Organizing - Weick </p><p>Understanding Complexity - Professor Scott E. Page</p><p>How the Mind Works - Steven Pinker</p><p>The Effectiveness of Restorative Justice Practices - Jeff Latimer, Craig Dowden, Danielle Muise (2001)</p><p><strong>(Books specific to the HOP space)</strong></p><p>Managing the Unexpected - Karl E. Weick and Kathleen M. Sutcliffe</p><p>Safety-II in Practice - Erik Hollnagel</p><p>Joint Cognitive Systems - David D. Woods and Erik Hollnagel</p><p>Justice Culture - Sidney Dekker</p><p>The Field Guide to Understanding Human Error - Dekker</p><p>Pre-Accident Investigation - Todd Conklin</p><p><strong>(Books where practitioners tell stories about using some HOP concepts)</strong></p><p>Beyond Blame - Dave Zwieback </p><p>Bob's Guide to Operational Learning - Bob Edwards and Andrea Baker</p><p><strong>(Additional helpful works that touch on some gaps) </strong></p><p>Humble Inquiry - Edgar H. Schein and Peter A. Schein</p><p>Raising Human Beings - Ross W. Greene</p><p>Chaos Engineering - Casey Rosenthal &amp; Nora Jones</p><p>Surfing the Edge of Chaos - Richard T. Pascale, Mark Millemann, and Linda Goija</p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We respond to a listener question about "How do I know that I know enough about HOP to start applying it at work".</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Andy's recommendations:</strong></p><p><strong>(Academic works that explain foundational concepts)</strong></p><p>The Social Psychology of Organizing - Weick </p><p>Understanding Complexity - Professor Scott E. Page</p><p>How the Mind Works - Steven Pinker</p><p>The Effectiveness of Restorative Justice Practices - Jeff Latimer, Craig Dowden, Danielle Muise (2001)</p><p><strong>(Books specific to the HOP space)</strong></p><p>Managing the Unexpected - Karl E. Weick and Kathleen M. Sutcliffe</p><p>Safety-II in Practice - Erik Hollnagel</p><p>Joint Cognitive Systems - David D. Woods and Erik Hollnagel</p><p>Justice Culture - Sidney Dekker</p><p>The Field Guide to Understanding Human Error - Dekker</p><p>Pre-Accident Investigation - Todd Conklin</p><p><strong>(Books where practitioners tell stories about using some HOP concepts)</strong></p><p>Beyond Blame - Dave Zwieback </p><p>Bob's Guide to Operational Learning - Bob Edwards and Andrea Baker</p><p><strong>(Additional helpful works that touch on some gaps) </strong></p><p>Humble Inquiry - Edgar H. Schein and Peter A. Schein</p><p>Raising Human Beings - Ross W. Greene</p><p>Chaos Engineering - Casey Rosenthal &amp; Nora Jones</p><p>Surfing the Edge of Chaos - Richard T. Pascale, Mark Millemann, and Linda Goija</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 24 Sep 2025 01:00:08 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2170</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We respond to a listener question about "How do I know that I know enough about HOP to start applying it at work".</p><p><br></p><p><strong>Andy's recommendations:</strong></p><p><strong>(Academic works that explain foundational concepts)</strong></p><p>The Social Psychology of Organizing - Weick </p><p>Understanding Complexity - Professor Scott E. Page</p><p>How the Mind Works - Steven Pinker</p><p>The Effectiveness of Restorative Justice Practices - Jeff Latimer, Craig Dowden, Danielle Muise (2001)</p><p><strong>(Books specific to the HOP space)</strong></p><p>Managing the Unexpected - Karl E. Weick and Kathleen M. Sutcliffe</p><p>Safety-II in Practice - Erik Hollnagel</p><p>Joint Cognitive Systems - David D. Woods and Erik Hollnagel</p><p>Justice Culture - Sidney Dekker</p><p>The Field Guide to Understanding Human Error - Dekker</p><p>Pre-Accident Investigation - Todd Conklin</p><p><strong>(Books where practitioners tell stories about using some HOP concepts)</strong></p><p>Beyond Blame - Dave Zwieback </p><p>Bob's Guide to Operational Learning - Bob Edwards and Andrea Baker</p><p><strong>(Additional helpful works that touch on some gaps) </strong></p><p>Humble Inquiry - Edgar H. Schein and Peter A. Schein</p><p>Raising Human Beings - Ross W. Greene</p><p>Chaos Engineering - Casey Rosenthal &amp; Nora Jones</p><p>Surfing the Edge of Chaos - Richard T. Pascale, Mark Millemann, and Linda Goija</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords></itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 65 - Where do we go from here?</title>
      <itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 65 - Where do we go from here?</itunes:title>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We share some ideas we have for future episodes, but ask for you to give us direction. Let us know what you'd like us to focus on. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We share some ideas we have for future episodes, but ask for you to give us direction. Let us know what you'd like us to focus on. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2025 01:00:37 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>1343</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We share some ideas we have for future episodes, but ask for you to give us direction. Let us know what you'd like us to focus on. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords></itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
      <podcast:transcript url="https://share.transistor.fm/s/8eea888d/transcript.vtt" type="text/vtt" rel="captions"/>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 64 - Operationally learning with a 5 year old</title>
      <itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 64 - Operationally learning with a 5 year old</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/f04f792b</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Andy is often asked how HOP and Operational Learning can be used in parenthood. So with her oldest daughter's first day of school tomorrow, we decided to do some operational learning about how Penelope is feeling going into the big day. </p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Andy is often asked how HOP and Operational Learning can be used in parenthood. So with her oldest daughter's first day of school tomorrow, we decided to do some operational learning about how Penelope is feeling going into the big day. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2025 01:00:07 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/f04f792b/f5c575e5.mp3" length="26716976" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>1670</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Andy is often asked how HOP and Operational Learning can be used in parenthood. So with her oldest daughter's first day of school tomorrow, we decided to do some operational learning about how Penelope is feeling going into the big day. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords></itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
      <podcast:transcript url="https://share.transistor.fm/s/f04f792b/transcript.vtt" type="text/vtt" rel="captions"/>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 63 - Andy's response to a case against HOP (part 4 - all accidents are preventable)</title>
      <itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 63 - Andy's response to a case against HOP (part 4 - all accidents are preventable)</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/0c1da281</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Well, we decided to end this mini-series with a big one. Andy argues that all accidents are not preventable and what we should be doing about. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Well, we decided to end this mini-series with a big one. Andy argues that all accidents are not preventable and what we should be doing about. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Aug 2025 00:00:54 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/0c1da281/649b9bcd.mp3" length="35918765" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2245</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Well, we decided to end this mini-series with a big one. Andy argues that all accidents are not preventable and what we should be doing about. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords></itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
      <podcast:transcript url="https://share.transistor.fm/s/0c1da281/transcript.vtt" type="text/vtt" rel="captions"/>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 62 - Andy's response to a case against HOP (part 3 - cardinal rules)</title>
      <itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 62 - Andy's response to a case against HOP (part 3 - cardinal rules)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">b205cb5d-f806-45e6-9bf8-10a690160a82</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/ba0587f1</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our argument/counterargument series with point 3 - We cannot tolerate exceptions to cardinal rules.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our argument/counterargument series with point 3 - We cannot tolerate exceptions to cardinal rules.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Jul 2025 00:00:12 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/ba0587f1/8a3b8295.mp3" length="29284917" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>1831</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our argument/counterargument series with point 3 - We cannot tolerate exceptions to cardinal rules.</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords></itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
      <podcast:transcript url="https://share.transistor.fm/s/ba0587f1/transcript.vtt" type="text/vtt" rel="captions"/>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 61 - Andy's response to a case against HOP (part 2 - accountability)</title>
      <itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 61 - Andy's response to a case against HOP (part 2 - accountability)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/bfb1582c</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our "both sides of the debate" series - this time it's all about accountability. </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our "both sides of the debate" series - this time it's all about accountability. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2025 01:00:07 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/bfb1582c/1825e662.mp3" length="33850285" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2116</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our "both sides of the debate" series - this time it's all about accountability. </p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords></itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
      <podcast:transcript url="https://share.transistor.fm/s/bfb1582c/transcript.vtt" type="text/vtt" rel="captions"/>
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    <item>
      <title>Episode 60 - Andy's response to a case against HOP (part 1)</title>
      <itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>1</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 60 - Andy's response to a case against HOP (part 1)</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
      <guid isPermaLink="false">1a64e8fd-c636-49d5-95b8-e17beb735afa</guid>
      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/c8f6bf93</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Andy (and with a little help from from Chat GPT) begins her counterargument against herself from episode 59. There first point: "Root cause does (not) exist"</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>Andy (and with a little help from from Chat GPT) begins her counterargument against herself from episode 59. There first point: "Root cause does (not) exist"</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2025 01:00:19 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/c8f6bf93/d341b1c3.mp3" length="23079059" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>1443</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>
        <![CDATA[<p>Andy (and with a little help from from Chat GPT) begins her counterargument against herself from episode 59. There first point: "Root cause does (not) exist"</p>]]>
      </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:keywords></itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 59 - An argument against HOP</title>
      <itunes:episode>59</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>59</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 59 - An argument against HOP</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/364aa87a</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>In an attempt to model a debate team, we argue against HOP, the problems (we're told) it causes, and why we should continue with the status quo.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>In an attempt to model a debate team, we argue against HOP, the problems (we're told) it causes, and why we should continue with the status quo.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2025 01:01:04 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/364aa87a/fb791e9a.mp3" length="29451264" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>1841</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>In an attempt to model a debate team, we argue against HOP, the problems (we're told) it causes, and why we should continue with the status quo. </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>In an attempt to model a debate team, we argue against HOP, the problems (we're told) it causes, and why we should continue with the status quo. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:keywords></itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
      <podcast:transcript url="https://share.transistor.fm/s/364aa87a/transcript.vtt" type="text/vtt" rel="captions"/>
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      <title>Episode 58 - The gap between what leaders see and what we hear</title>
      <itunes:episode>58</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>58</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 58 - The gap between what leaders see and what we hear</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/79b7d8db</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>(Trigger warning: suicide) Andy and Matt discuss a recent series of interactions they've had with Leaders, the Frontline workers, and how the reality of work often doesn't make it to the top.</p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>(Trigger warning: suicide) Andy and Matt discuss a recent series of interactions they've had with Leaders, the Frontline workers, and how the reality of work often doesn't make it to the top.</p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2025 01:01:02 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/79b7d8db/0f7ee9b9.mp3" length="35657122" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2229</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>(Trigger warning: suicide) Andy and Matt discuss a recent series of interactions they've had with Leaders, the Frontline workers, and how the reality of work often doesn't make it to the top. </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>(Trigger warning: suicide) Andy and Matt discuss a recent series of interactions they've had with Leaders, the Frontline workers, and how the reality of work often doesn't make it to the top. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:keywords></itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 57 - Andy goes back to (imaginary) work</title>
      <itunes:episode>57</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>57</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 57 - Andy goes back to (imaginary) work</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/87181202</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We play a "mind game" of sending Andy back to one of her previous HSE roles with her existing HOP knowledge and ask what she would do differently - all of which we recorded in during a long drive. </p>]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We play a "mind game" of sending Andy back to one of her previous HSE roles with her existing HOP knowledge and ask what she would do differently - all of which we recorded in during a long drive. </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2025 01:00:35 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
      <enclosure url="https://media.transistor.fm/87181202/7a49db90.mp3" length="36227637" type="audio/mpeg"/>
      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2265</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>We play a "mind game" of sending Andy back to one of her previous HSE roles with her existing HOP knowledge and ask what she would do differently - all of which we recorded in during a long drive. </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>We play a "mind game" of sending Andy back to one of her previous HSE roles with her existing HOP knowledge and ask what she would do differently - all of which we recorded in during a long drive. </itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:keywords></itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 56 - Something Very Obvious (HOP used in conversation)</title>
      <itunes:episode>56</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>56</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 56 - Something Very Obvious (HOP used in conversation)</itunes:title>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about discreet changes that can be made in conversations and the questions we ask to "do HOP". </p>]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[<p>We talk about discreet changes that can be made in conversations and the questions we ask to "do HOP". </p>]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2025 01:01:23 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:summary>We talk about discreet changes that can be made in conversations and the questions we ask to "do HOP". </itunes:summary>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Andy shares what an organization could look like as it grows and evolves over time with the implementation of HOP. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Andy shares what an organization could look like as it grows and evolves over time with the implementation of HOP. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2025 01:00:38 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:summary>Andy shares what an organization could look like as it grows and evolves over time with the implementation of HOP. </itunes:summary>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <itunes:episode>54</itunes:episode>
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      <itunes:title>Episode 54 - You've decided to "do HOP" - The "site pilot" example</itunes:title>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our conversation about how HOP can be brought into an organization with the "site pilot" example - how one site (or a few sites depending on company size) can try HOP before the organization makes a large shift. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our conversation about how HOP can be brought into an organization with the "site pilot" example - how one site (or a few sites depending on company size) can try HOP before the organization makes a large shift. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 09 Apr 2025 01:01:16 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>1964</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>We continue our conversation about how HOP can be brought into an organization with the "site pilot" example - how one site (or a few sites depending on company size) can try HOP before the organization makes a large shift. </itunes:summary>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 53 - You've decided to "do HOP" - Now what? (part 2)</title>
      <itunes:episode>53</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>53</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 53 - You've decided to "do HOP" - Now what? (part 2)</itunes:title>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>The journey (or should I say powerpoint?) continues. We focus on how can you finally start rolling out HOP inside your organization. </p><p>Link for paper reference: <a href="http://matt.colorado.edu/papers/StatisticalInvalidityOfTRIR.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://matt.colorado.edu/papers/StatisticalInvalidityOfTRIR.pdf</a></p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The journey (or should I say powerpoint?) continues. We focus on how can you finally start rolling out HOP inside your organization. </p><p>Link for paper reference: <a href="http://matt.colorado.edu/papers/StatisticalInvalidityOfTRIR.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://matt.colorado.edu/papers/StatisticalInvalidityOfTRIR.pdf</a></p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2025 01:00:42 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2000</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>The journey (or should I say powerpoint?) continues. We focus on how can you finally start rolling out HOP inside your organization. Link for paper reference: http://matt.colorado.edu/papers/StatisticalInvalidityOfTRIR.pdf</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>The journey (or should I say powerpoint?) continues. We focus on how can you finally start rolling out HOP inside your organization. Link for paper reference: http://matt.colorado.edu/papers/StatisticalInvalidityOfTRIR.pdf</itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 52 - You've decided to "do HOP" - Now what?</title>
      <itunes:episode>52</itunes:episode>
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      <itunes:title>Episode 52 - You've decided to "do HOP" - Now what?</itunes:title>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>What comes after step 0? We discuss how to take your newly shifted beliefs and put them into action. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>What comes after step 0? We discuss how to take your newly shifted beliefs and put them into action. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2025 01:01:20 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2219</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>What comes after step 0? We discuss how to take your newly shifted beliefs and put them into action. </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>What comes after step 0? We discuss how to take your newly shifted beliefs and put them into action. </itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 51 - The tough question before you start HOP</title>
      <itunes:episode>51</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>51</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 51 - The tough question before you start HOP</itunes:title>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Andy and Matt discuss "step 0" or what you need to ask yourself before you try to bring HOP into an organization. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Andy and Matt discuss "step 0" or what you need to ask yourself before you try to bring HOP into an organization. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 26 Feb 2025 01:00:55 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>1969</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>Andy and Matt discuss "step 0" or what you need to ask yourself before you try to bring HOP into an organization. </itunes:summary>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 50 - A Peak Behind The Podcast</title>
      <itunes:episode>50</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>50</podcast:episode>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We celebrate 50 episodes of A HOP Podcast (with no name) and share what it's been like from our perspective. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We celebrate 50 episodes of A HOP Podcast (with no name) and share what it's been like from our perspective. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 12 Feb 2025 01:01:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2036</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>We celebrate 50 episodes of A HOP Podcast (with no name) and share what it's been like from our perspective. </itunes:summary>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 49 - A HOP Transformation: Andy and Matt's recap</title>
      <itunes:episode>49</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>49</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 49 - A HOP Transformation: Andy and Matt's recap</itunes:title>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>Andy and Matt share their key takeaways and learnings from the episodes with Erik and Ron. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Andy and Matt share their key takeaways and learnings from the episodes with Erik and Ron. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 29 Jan 2025 01:00:48 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>1794</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>Andy and Matt share their key takeaways and learnings from the episodes with Erik and Ron. </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>Andy and Matt share their key takeaways and learnings from the episodes with Erik and Ron. </itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 48 - A HOP Transformation: The Wrap-up</title>
      <itunes:episode>48</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>48</podcast:episode>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>The thrilling conclusion to our time with Erik and Ron discussing their individual and business HOP development. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>The thrilling conclusion to our time with Erik and Ron discussing their individual and business HOP development. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 15 Jan 2025 01:00:44 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:duration>2881</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>The thrilling conclusion to our time with Erik and Ron discussing their individual and business HOP development. </itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>The thrilling conclusion to our time with Erik and Ron discussing their individual and business HOP development. </itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 47 - A HOP Transformation: The Nitty Gritty Details of Change (Part 2)</title>
      <itunes:episode>47</itunes:episode>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our conversation with Erik and Ron and learn more details of what it was like to navigate the HOP related changes together. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our conversation with Erik and Ron and learn more details of what it was like to navigate the HOP related changes together. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 01 Jan 2025 00:10:23 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2633</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>We continue our conversation with Erik and Ron and learn more details of what it was like to navigate the HOP related changes together. </itunes:summary>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 46 - A HOP Transformation: The Nitty Gritty Details of Change</title>
      <itunes:episode>46</itunes:episode>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our conversation with Erik and Ron. This time we focus on the details of what had to change both personally and as a business for the HOP Transformation to progress.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our conversation with Erik and Ron. This time we focus on the details of what had to change both personally and as a business for the HOP Transformation to progress.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 18 Dec 2024 01:01:20 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>We continue our conversation with Erik and Ron. This time we focus on the details of what had to change both personally and as a business for the HOP Transformation to progress.</itunes:summary>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 45 - A HOP Transformation: The Shift In Thought</title>
      <itunes:episode>45</itunes:episode>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our story with Erik and Ron - moving onto what it was like to shift focus from safety metrics (like TRIR) to prioritizing real human safety outcomes. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We continue our story with Erik and Ron - moving onto what it was like to shift focus from safety metrics (like TRIR) to prioritizing real human safety outcomes. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 04 Dec 2024 01:00:21 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2596</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>We continue our story with Erik and Ron - moving onto what it was like to shift focus from safety metrics (like TRIR) to prioritizing real human safety outcomes. </itunes:summary>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 44 - A HOP Transformation: The Wake-up Call</title>
      <itunes:episode>44</itunes:episode>
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      <itunes:title>Episode 44 - A HOP Transformation: The Wake-up Call</itunes:title>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[<p>We welcome guests Erik (former CEO at Aera Energy) and Ron (Former HSE Manager at Aera Energy) for a mini-series on what it was like to go through a HOP transformation both personally and as a business.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We welcome guests Erik (former CEO at Aera Energy) and Ron (Former HSE Manager at Aera Energy) for a mini-series on what it was like to go through a HOP transformation both personally and as a business.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 20 Nov 2024 01:01:33 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:duration>2064</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>We welcome guests Erik (former CEO at Aera Energy) and Ron (Former HSE Manager at Aera Energy) for a mini-series on what it was like to go through a HOP transformation both personally and as a business.</itunes:summary>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 43 - Shifting Blame (part 2)</title>
      <itunes:episode>43</itunes:episode>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We finish the story of how Andy navigates her own frustration and blame when working with some leaders. </p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We finish the story of how Andy navigates her own frustration and blame when working with some leaders. </p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Nov 2024 01:01:27 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:summary>We finish the story of how Andy navigates her own frustration and blame when working with some leaders. </itunes:summary>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 42 - Shifting Blame</title>
      <itunes:episode>42</itunes:episode>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We take a listeners question on how to help people who have started practicing HOP but are struggling with blame shifting from those doing the work to supervisors/investigators. This quickly becomes Matt's favorite episode as we have a conversation with Andy while she is struggling with actively blaming a group of people.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>We take a listeners question on how to help people who have started practicing HOP but are struggling with blame shifting from those doing the work to supervisors/investigators. This quickly becomes Matt's favorite episode as we have a conversation with Andy while she is struggling with actively blaming a group of people.</p>]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 23 Oct 2024 01:01:02 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Andy finishes her "glove story" and shares how she came to understand what "capacity to fail safely" meant.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Andy finishes her "glove story" and shares how she came to understand what "capacity to fail safely" meant.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Andy shares her personal story of understanding what it means to "design differently" in HOP and how we can build more resilient systems.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[<p>Andy shares her personal story of understanding what it means to "design differently" in HOP and how we can build more resilient systems.</p>]]>
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        <![CDATA[We break down how we explain what HOP is and what happens if we change the way we think.]]>
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        <![CDATA[We break down how we explain what HOP is and what happens if we change the way we think.]]>
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        <![CDATA[The (thrilling) conclusion to Andy's list of behaviors she changed while working at a large organization after learning about HOP.]]>
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        <![CDATA[Andrea continues sharing her personal examples of when she individually "did HOP" while at a large organization.]]>
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      <itunes:episode>32</itunes:episode>
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        <![CDATA[We continue with Andrea's examples of behaviors she changed while working at a large organizations in a safety role.]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <itunes:episode>28</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>28</podcast:episode>
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        <![CDATA[Andrea shares a difficult situation she is navigating and how what she has learned from HOP influences her life outside of work.]]>
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        <![CDATA[Andrea shares a difficult situation she is navigating and how what she has learned from HOP influences her life outside of work.]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 10 Apr 2024 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 27 - "HOP is adding too much extra work" / A case for HOP</title>
      <itunes:episode>27</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>27</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 27 - "HOP is adding too much extra work" / A case for HOP</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/d8bd5703</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[We discuss the common push back that the internal requirements following any Operational Learning can feel like a burden, but there are ways we can push on those constraints. Also - Matt was able to use a very confusing (but maybe helpful) puppy analogy.]]>
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        <![CDATA[We discuss the common push back that the internal requirements following any Operational Learning can feel like a burden, but there are ways we can push on those constraints. Also - Matt was able to use a very confusing (but maybe helpful) puppy analogy.]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2024 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:summary>We discuss the common push back that the internal requirements following any Operational Learning can feel like a burden, but there are ways we can push on those constraints. Also - Matt was able to use a very confusing (but maybe helpful) puppy analogy.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss the common push back that the internal requirements following any Operational Learning can feel like a burden, but there are ways we can push on those constraints. Also - Matt was able to use a very confusing (but maybe helpful) puppy analogy.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 26 - "I like HOP, but our recent incident was too severe and we need to return to basics" / A case for HOP</title>
      <itunes:episode>26</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>26</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 26 - "I like HOP, but our recent incident was too severe and we need to return to basics" / A case for HOP</itunes:title>
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      <description>
        <![CDATA[We start with a story around a rule of unknown origins. From there, we explore why after major incidents even "HOP" leaders want to go back to their prior ways.]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[We start with a story around a rule of unknown origins. From there, we explore why after major incidents even "HOP" leaders want to go back to their prior ways.]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 13 Mar 2024 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We start with a story around a rule of unknown origins. From there, we explore why after major incidents even "HOP" leaders want to go back to their prior ways.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 25 - "We pay people to follow the rules" / A case for HOP</title>
      <itunes:episode>25</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>25</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 25 - "We pay people to follow the rules" / A case for HOP</itunes:title>
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        <![CDATA[We discuss the common objection around "rules" and the role they play in keeping people safe. As you might expect, it leads us back to the conversation around people problems vs. system problems.]]>
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        <![CDATA[We discuss the common objection around "rules" and the role they play in keeping people safe. As you might expect, it leads us back to the conversation around people problems vs. system problems.]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 28 Feb 2024 05:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 24 - "But I fundamentally believe all accidents are preventable" / A case for HOP</title>
      <itunes:episode>24</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>24</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 24 - "But I fundamentally believe all accidents are preventable" / A case for HOP</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/fef75413</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[Andy and (a sick) Matt discuss one of the most common places of tension when someone talks about HOP. What does it mean when we say "not all accidents are preventable"?]]>
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        <![CDATA[Andy and (a sick) Matt discuss one of the most common places of tension when someone talks about HOP. What does it mean when we say "not all accidents are preventable"?]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 14 Feb 2024 05:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>Andy and (a sick) Matt discuss one of the most common places of tension when someone talks about HOP. What does it mean when we say "not all accidents are preventable"?</itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 23 - "Our workforce is too inexperienced and they keep making mistakes" / A case for HOP</title>
      <itunes:episode>23</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>23</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 23 - "Our workforce is too inexperienced and they keep making mistakes" / A case for HOP</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/736c7999</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[The workforce is getting younger and coming in with less experience. We discuss why it is so crucial to learn from the new workforce about their reality.]]>
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        <![CDATA[The workforce is getting younger and coming in with less experience. We discuss why it is so crucial to learn from the new workforce about their reality.]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 31 Jan 2024 05:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:duration>1522</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>The workforce is getting younger and coming in with less experience. We discuss why it is so crucial to learn from the new workforce about their reality.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>The workforce is getting younger and coming in with less experience. We discuss why it is so crucial to learn from the new workforce about their reality.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 22 - " But at the end of the day I still have to answer to regulators and our legal team" / A case for HOP</title>
      <itunes:episode>22</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>22</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 22 - " But at the end of the day I still have to answer to regulators and our legal team" / A case for HOP</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/9637fdc5</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[We tackle the next audience question centered around how HOP may run into conflict with both regulating bodies and internal legal teams.]]>
      </description>
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        <![CDATA[We tackle the next audience question centered around how HOP may run into conflict with both regulating bodies and internal legal teams.]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 17 Jan 2024 05:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
      <itunes:image href="https://img.transistorcdn.com/eVShTa5nK8-2kGvXkKchgFeqs5sSAKX7vZGezTpj_Vw/rs:fill:0:0:1/w:1400/h:1400/q:60/mb:500000/aHR0cHM6Ly9pbWct/dXBsb2FkLXByb2R1/Y3Rpb24udHJhbnNp/c3Rvci5mbS9jY2Ew/YjViMDUxNzVlMDY4/ZTA2YWIwNDU5MTA3/NzA5Yy5wbmc.jpg"/>
      <itunes:duration>1762</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>We tackle the next audience question centered around how HOP may run into conflict with both regulating bodies and internal legal teams.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>We tackle the next audience question centered around how HOP may run into conflict with both regulating bodies and internal legal teams.</itunes:subtitle>
      <itunes:keywords></itunes:keywords>
      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 21 - "If my injury rate won't improve then why should I bother?" / A case for HOP</title>
      <itunes:episode>21</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>21</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 21 - "If my injury rate won't improve then why should I bother?" / A case for HOP</itunes:title>
      <itunes:episodeType>full</itunes:episodeType>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/0c1618a9</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[We answer a listener's question around injury rates and the adoption of HOP.]]>
      </description>
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        <![CDATA[We answer a listener's question around injury rates and the adoption of HOP.]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 03 Jan 2024 05:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:duration>1458</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>We answer a listener's question around injury rates and the adoption of HOP.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>We answer a listener's question around injury rates and the adoption of HOP.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 20 - "We don't have the time to make this change" / A business case for HOP</title>
      <itunes:episode>20</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>20</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 20 - "We don't have the time to make this change" / A business case for HOP</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/35ccf3f6</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[We tackle a listen asked question on how to handle the pushback from leadership that the organization does not have "the time or the resources to make this change" by making a business case for HOP.]]>
      </description>
      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[We tackle a listen asked question on how to handle the pushback from leadership that the organization does not have "the time or the resources to make this change" by making a business case for HOP.]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2023 05:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:duration>1635</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>We tackle a listen asked question on how to handle the pushback from leadership that the organization does not have "the time or the resources to make this change" by making a business case for HOP.</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>We tackle a listen asked question on how to handle the pushback from leadership that the organization does not have "the time or the resources to make this change" by making a business case for HOP.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 19 - How can an organization adopt HOP?</title>
      <itunes:episode>19</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>19</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 19 - How can an organization adopt HOP?</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/0b677aed</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[After wrapping up homework with our invented mitigation defense, we move on to share how we see HOP adopted by organizations. We'll spend time on what's worked well for some places and what challenges we hear most often.]]>
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        <![CDATA[After wrapping up homework with our invented mitigation defense, we move on to share how we see HOP adopted by organizations. We'll spend time on what's worked well for some places and what challenges we hear most often.]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 06 Dec 2023 05:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>After wrapping up homework with our invented mitigation defense, we move on to share how we see HOP adopted by organizations. We'll spend time on what's worked well for some places and what challenges we hear most often.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 18 - Performance Modes and Mitigation Defenses</title>
      <itunes:episode>18</itunes:episode>
      <podcast:episode>18</podcast:episode>
      <itunes:title>Episode 18 - Performance Modes and Mitigation Defenses</itunes:title>
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      <link>https://share.transistor.fm/s/0ceb9a82</link>
      <description>
        <![CDATA[Andy starts with a story around how we respond to an incident without considering what performance mode(s) the people executing the task are in. From there, we discuss why we should shift our energy and resources into adding mitigation defenses rather than something like "retraining" post-incident.]]>
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      <content:encoded>
        <![CDATA[Andy starts with a story around how we respond to an incident without considering what performance mode(s) the people executing the task are in. From there, we discuss why we should shift our energy and resources into adding mitigation defenses rather than something like "retraining" post-incident.]]>
      </content:encoded>
      <pubDate>Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:00:00 -0500</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
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        <![CDATA[Let's talk about Performance Modes. What are they and how do they fit into our view of work?]]>
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        <![CDATA[Let's talk about Performance Modes. What are they and how do they fit into our view of work?]]>
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      <title>Episode 16 - Operational Learning (part 6)</title>
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        <![CDATA[We wrap up the operational learning mini-series by going over what happens after you define the problem statements.]]>
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        <![CDATA[We wrap up the operational learning mini-series by going over what happens after you define the problem statements.]]>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We wrap up the operational learning mini-series by going over what happens after you define the problem statements.</itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 15 - Operational Learning (part 5)</title>
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        <![CDATA[We define the problems from episode 14's operational learning session and discuss what goes into properly crafting problem statements.]]>
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        <![CDATA[We define the problems from episode 14's operational learning session and discuss what goes into properly crafting problem statements.]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 14 - Operational Learning (part 4)</title>
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        <![CDATA[We talk through how we create the conditions for candor while we're working with different organizations. From there, Andy practices some operational learning on what it's like for Matt to book their travel.]]>
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        <![CDATA[We talk through how we create the conditions for candor while we're working with different organizations. From there, Andy practices some operational learning on what it's like for Matt to book their travel.]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 13 - Operational Learning (part 3)</title>
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        <![CDATA[We cover how the homework from last episode (being teachable) works with a 3.5 year old. Then it's all about creating the conditions for candor and psych safety.]]>
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        <![CDATA[We cover how the homework from last episode (being teachable) works with a 3.5 year old. Then it's all about creating the conditions for candor and psych safety.]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 12 - Operational Learning (part 2)</title>
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        <![CDATA[We start by discussing the complexity of... you guessed it - baseball. From there, we start breaking down operational learning through the idea of "being teachable".]]>
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        <![CDATA[We start by discussing the complexity of... you guessed it - baseball. From there, we start breaking down operational learning through the idea of "being teachable".]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 30 Aug 2023 05:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 11 - Operational Learning (part 1)</title>
      <itunes:episode>11</itunes:episode>
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        <![CDATA[It's time for another mini-series, and this time we're looking at all things operational learning. We start the series by discussing one area that makes operational learning so crucial - complexity science.]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 10 - Agency and Empowerment</title>
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        <![CDATA[Story Time! Andrea shares a story about giving agency to a group of workers and the changes that followed.]]>
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        <![CDATA[Story Time! Andrea shares a story about giving agency to a group of workers and the changes that followed.]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 02 Aug 2023 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 9 - Accountability (part 3)</title>
      <itunes:episode>9</itunes:episode>
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        <![CDATA[We wrap up the 3 part Accountability series by covering counterfactuals and how they impact our view of people or system problems, the role of a culpability matrix, and how to create a high accountability environment.]]>
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        <![CDATA[We wrap up the 3 part Accountability series by covering counterfactuals and how they impact our view of people or system problems, the role of a culpability matrix, and how to create a high accountability environment.]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 19 Jul 2023 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <title>Episode 8 - Accountability (part 2)</title>
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        <![CDATA[We answer the question "when should we use HR disciplinary action/punishment?" with some stories and examples. From there, we look at how counterfactuals impact our post-event learning.]]>
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        <![CDATA[We answer the question "when should we use HR disciplinary action/punishment?" with some stories and examples. From there, we look at how counterfactuals impact our post-event learning.]]>
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      <title>Episode 7 - Accountability (part 1)</title>
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        <![CDATA[So it begins! Part 1 of the multi-part Accountability discussion. We dive into Accountability and what it means to "hold someone accountable".]]>
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      <title>Episode 6 - Taylorism (part 2)</title>
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        <![CDATA[Let's wrap up Taylorism (for now) with some practical examples and ways you can identify it in the workplace. Then it's on to Accountability.]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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        <![CDATA[We'll go over some examples of where the parent-child dynamic happened in our week - from there it's all about Taylorism.]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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        <![CDATA[We discuss safety controls we defeat (or totally ignore) because they lack operational fidelity. Next it's onto audits / observations and the parent-child dynamic that is frequently present in our lives.]]>
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        <![CDATA[We discuss safety controls we defeat (or totally ignore) because they lack operational fidelity. Next it's onto audits / observations and the parent-child dynamic that is frequently present in our lives.]]>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 1 - Fundamental Attribution Error</title>
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        <![CDATA[So it begins... We'll discuss what we're doing with this podcast and where fundamental attribution error shows up in our lives. Also, homework?]]>
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        <![CDATA[So it begins... We'll discuss what we're doing with this podcast and where fundamental attribution error shows up in our lives. Also, homework?]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2023 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:duration>1755</itunes:duration>
      <itunes:summary>So it begins... We'll discuss what we're doing with this podcast and where fundamental attribution error shows up in our lives. Also, homework?</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>So it begins... We'll discuss what we're doing with this podcast and where fundamental attribution error shows up in our lives. Also, homework?</itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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        <![CDATA[Matt discusses his (ex?) fear of flying and we drill deeper into the idea of risk normalization. From there, it's on to safety "controls" and the human condition. Do they always play nice?]]>
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        <![CDATA[Matt discusses his (ex?) fear of flying and we drill deeper into the idea of risk normalization. From there, it's on to safety "controls" and the human condition. Do they always play nice?]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2023 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:summary>Matt discusses his (ex?) fear of flying and we drill deeper into the idea of risk normalization. From there, it's on to safety "controls" and the human condition. Do they always play nice?</itunes:summary>
      <itunes:subtitle>Matt discusses his (ex?) fear of flying and we drill deeper into the idea of risk normalization. From there, it's on to safety "controls" and the human condition. Do they always play nice?</itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <title>Episode 2 - Risk Normalization</title>
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        <![CDATA[We discuss real examples of fundamental attribution error inside and outside of the workplace. Then it's on to risk normalization - is it something we can change?]]>
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        <![CDATA[We discuss real examples of fundamental attribution error inside and outside of the workplace. Then it's on to risk normalization - is it something we can change?]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 24 May 2023 08:00:00 -0400</pubDate>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:subtitle>We discuss real examples of fundamental attribution error inside and outside of the workplace. Then it's on to risk normalization - is it something we can change?</itunes:subtitle>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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      <itunes:episode>1</itunes:episode>
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      <itunes:title>Welcome to A Hop Podcast (With No Name)</itunes:title>
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        <![CDATA[Today you will hear about our all new podcast and what it's all about.]]>
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        <![CDATA[Today you will hear about our all new podcast and what it's all about.]]>
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      <pubDate>Wed, 10 May 2023 12:15:00 -0400</pubDate>
      <author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</author>
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      <itunes:author>Andrea Baker &amp; Matt Florio</itunes:author>
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      <itunes:explicit>No</itunes:explicit>
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